well he... robbed from the rich and he... gave to the poor

he played a menacing, under a ‘friendly’ corporate lawyer veneer, final liasson to the (evil) higher powers at evil law firm wolfram & hart, fights to death with Angel( David Boreanis) in final minutes of final episode of Angel

​@_Loadie he stood up to the man and he ... gave him what for

Jayne is a better written 5th character than 95% of main characters today. And he loves mud.

My favorite episode by far

Congratulations 🎉. God I wish I could watch Firefly & Serenity again for the very first time. Hope you both enjoy it very much.

Congrats! This is the way to live a great life!

i wish i could watch it for the first time, i fell in love with it late, there are some really powerful episodes later on and quite possibly its finest "objects in space" just before it was ended

Are you going to watch serenity?

@@STEVEIAM1 We watched Serenity the episode first. We will watch the movie at the end.

From just the show and movie, i thought it was a single highly dense system since they reference moons and planets and the core, but not different suns.

Really? That really cool. I never played the RPG, so the best I could discover (on my own), as far as "maps" of the Firefly-verse goes, was that it was (at most) a Binary star system. Or a NEAR-binary star system? (like two stars "orbiting" each other, but at a significantly bigger distance than a normal binary system. Like if you took OUR solar system, Xeroxed it, and placed the photocopy next to it without causing ANY of the planetary orbits to overlap?) But yeah, a solar system (or solar system "cluster", if you are correct) with a LARGE "habitable zone", DOZENS of planets, and HUNDREDS of moons? That is absolutely a Lottery winning, real estate windfall, bit of luck for humanity!

From the RPG... Their terraforming capabilities include gravitationally compressing gas giants until they become dwarf stars - at which point their moons become planets. I might be confusing this with some particularly well-written fan fiction, however

somebody dungeon master for us :P

The movie exposition-dumps this in the classroom scene. It seems like it was going to be dribbled through seasons two and three, but they needed to point it out early to make the film work. It's one of the reasons why space feels cramped. With no FTL, there are lanes that most ships take from one planet to another, and they might run close to each other.

Yeah as much as i love the entire crew and mal in particular, Jayne was my favorite still. just too fucking funny. "she has a name!" "so does she! I call her Vera" had me dead the first and second and 55th time i heard it. just fucking 11/10 delivery. but so were all of his lines he manages to easily be the funniest person yet plays it so damn straight in a believable way.

Everyone has a friend like Jayne, that friend that's kind of an asshole, but he makes you laugh and is good to have around if you get into a tight spot.

@@darkvisiongothacked I find it really hard to pick a favorite character, they're all really well written, even side ones like YoSaffBridge lol. Jayne is definitely top 3 for me though. Another good line that always stuck with me was "My pop always said 'anyone who can't find work ain't looking hard enough'..we ain't even looking at all" 😁

@@dennytate26 The Hero of Canton

@@PimplyPete yeah even single episode characters are fun, hell just look at episode one you get such a great feal for the "broker" and he is in what 5 minutes of the episode? yet he is memorable. its why i said it the way i did, i just love the whole cast they did phenomenal in each roll, and its certainly close as to who comes first second etc. just for me Jayne wins out because imo he has say 5 out of the 10 best lines in the series. everyone has their time to shine, but Jayne seems to just stand out. I'll be in my bunk.

Geishas are a specifically >Japanese< invention, not a Chinese one. (Allthough they surely had a courtesan system there, too.)

@@FeralWarpwolf I think the idea was that it was not just USA vs Chinese but Western vs Eastern, assuming that China swallowed all of Asia and the USA assumed all of Western countries.

@@chrisbiro1 Not to mention Ancient Greece - something explicitly tied to Western culture - had a similar idea in mind: hetaira.

You saved me from typing this exact thing. I think the overlap is entirely intended. I cringe every time I hear "Escort", though it is, much as Feral mentioned, entirely a Japanese (or if it goes back far enough, Greek et cetera) concept, historically speaking. Still, it works.

Extra funny because Fox literally didn't give them a choice but to give the meds back.

good comment

I cant wait for drunker to see Jayne tell mal, what will you tell the others? I don’t know Make something up…. Don’t tell em what I done!

@@ericm3327 Don't spoil it for him. But yeah.

Absolutely love that scene, and the delivery is so good.

It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommbitch or another.

Reckon.

"Notice me senpai" works better to the clink of coins.

Lol he's so old and stiff though

I absolutely LOVED that fan film. Nathan can do no wrong. :)

@@rogerborg No doubt. I just have to hope that good points don't always have to be accompanied by bribery to get heard.

@@rogerborg "Let me bribe you, sempaii!"

Your account is 4hrs old and has a bikini photo on it, but your comment is legit. So are you a porn bot or aren't ya? I'm so confused...

Right? Every time I watch it, it’s like I’m visiting old friends.

The engine kick was when I was fully sold on Mal. That's an actual anti-hero. Not the fake, stupid kind that Hollywood keeps creating. Mal is brave and generous and he will be merciful...up to a point. Then he will straight up shoot you in the back before he'd let you hurt him or anyone he cares about. Screw honor.

I saw the movie first, YEARS ago, and was all hyped talking to some friends about "This dope Serenity movie". They laughed and tipped me off to the bittersweet ride that is Firefly.

There was a pilot that was longer than the standard episode, but never in theaters. The move Serenity tied up the story after the series was cancelled.

I haven't seen it properly, just snipets of it. Its suppose to be literally a 'Sci-Fi Western' . I don't just want to see it: i want to buy the dvd set & watch at my leisure. (BTW, i don't need space warriors, jedis or the like. Just give me a well-written tense drama with stakes, and a lil romance😊)

@@BushinRyuCat Then you're in the right place! Perhaps you are on your way to being a Browncoat

@@BushinRyuCatmore like civil war era society, like 19th c manners, etiquette, style, with handgun, also laser weapons and shapeships. the language, elegance, of things Mal says, reflect the high standard of spoken, written english language of the civil war times, which deadwood does so well, but more of a western, frontier level, lots of cussing, and deadwood had Ian McShane and Timothy Oliphant, who was excellent in the fabulous Justified, with Walton Goggins also great

​@BushinRyuCat It's a good, but short lived, show and closes with a good movie. However, it's highly overrated.

Yep but I think the studio made a mistake releasing this one first. For me, Serenity is hands down the best episode of the series.

A decision that only a studio suit would think would be a great idea. "No need for any character intros. Just show action and forget about it!"

This is something that happens pretty often. They'll front load more exciting episodes even if it means it's out of order.

@@TheMysteryDriver I will say, if the studio has just tacked on the opening scene from this episode to the first episode, they may have had a better compromise.

The pilot arguably was very slow paced and not nearly as exciting. I typically skip it on any rewatches.

It was on sale.

I believe that she also got a prominent cross tattoo, something that the character wouldn't do, resulting in a verbal dressing down. Basically very few people that worked with him have had bad things to say about him, several tried to say that they loved working with him and were shouted down for fear of being canceled themselves, no allegations of actual legally actionable misconduct or related lawsuits have been brought against him that I know of. Just checking, I see there's a lawsuit that was just now brought against him saying that he stole the idea for Cabin in the Woods. Whatever, not related to his canceling and doubtful that it'll go anywhere. The pregnancy was halfway through and he wasn't notified until the season's pre-production and story building was done and production was about to begin. In her response to Ray Fisher, she claimed that her representatives tried to reach him several times and he refused their calls. Like many of the allegations from various people, I just have trouble taking stock in this. He refused contact from one of his main stars? Or, her reps tried to contact him but she didn't? Or, they didn't get in the car and drive to the writers room? Or they didn't give his assistant a note? When did she start trying to contact him? How soon after seeing doctors about the pregnancy? It just seems like an excuse to remove blame from herself to me. Not victim blaming her, but it just seems like... he was in pre-production, not hiding away on an island. No one could give him the message? Granted, his response was a jerk thing to say, but I understand the emotion behind it and it was mean but not what I'd consider abusive. More desperate. He seems like he could've used some anger management classes or some guidance in stress reduction in an environment where he was very stressed, himself. Can't think of a perfect Whedon quote but, he seems like "he's an a-hole but he's not... 100% a dick." Certain people really came out of the woodwork when Fisher claimed abuse and racism, but not with anything either devastating or specifically alleged. And, if there was a time to do it, that was the time. Dumping on him suddenly became very safe. but no one did with anything cancellable. And yet... But looking into Fisher's claims, they seem to be either half-baked or pretty reasonable. But he claimed racism and it was the exact right time in America to do so and get someone canceled just for claiming it. If there's any serious allegations of grapes or actual racism or anything along those lines, I've not heard them. He's sometimes a meany and "ruined Zack's vision."

Not to mention countless others. Family Guy made a joke about it listing a couple dozen shows after getting cancelled and renewed themselves. Some of which were actually pretty good.

All those managers at the Box network...

And The Tick. That show was hilarious and different. And then gone.

Note: Every time a KZfaq viewer falls in love with "Firefly," a Fox TV executive falls off the Nakatomi Plaza building.

That's funny. I'm picturing Alan Rickman as a 20th Century Fox executive. Did they move out of the 34th floor after Disney bought them out or are they still there?

People often say that, but Joss managed 5/6 seasons of Buffy and Angel just fine. I can easily imagine him doing the same with the Firefly universe, and maybe even a spin off series as well. Stupid Fox

@@terrystewart1973I think its partly politics, as in not pc, reflecting civil war era but siding with sth, the underdog against a nthn, federal big govt, control freaks. at least it showed things are not black and white, but life takes place in the grey areas, things are nuanced and complicated, whereas the winners write the history. I think Deadwood didnt get a final series for similar reasons, it was too nuanced, intelligent, and stuck it to the man somewhat.

In hindsight we got 15 great eps and a film that wrapped it up perfectly. No slow death of quality. Not many shows get that privilege.

@@tdog5035 I've always viewed the film as a consolation prize. It's great and all that, but it doesn't wrap everything up, (we never get much of Shepherd Book's story for example), and what it does is very compressed

Oh man, the scene that shows mals indomitable spirit and sheer will until he gets what he needs and the threat has left just to utterly collapse. Now that's strength

same - one of my favorite episodes of TV, in fact - it gets a 10 in every category

Shared first with Our Mrs Reynolds. The acting, the dialogue, the plot, and how the characters stay true to themselves all the way through.

I've seen it hundreds of times, but every time I'm tense on the edge of my seat, praying Mal makes it- that's excellent TV there

She was what started my interest in redheads! Oof!

49:13

That is correct.

46:42 Drinker says it takes place in one system.

I always took it as the inner planets were just terraformed first, thus have had time to develop, have the most people, most infrastructure. Then folk started spreading out through this system, & a lot of the outer planets are still actively being or only partially terraformed. They make mention in the show of colonists heading out in ships, and Miranda in the movie was a world that it's terraforming 'failed' as recently as a decade ago, suggesting they are still actively terraforming new worlds. It's also strongly implied the Alliance deliberately deliberately hampers development of these worlds past basic habitability as a control measure. They use they outer worlds for resources but also keep them dependent on the Alliance for critical things.

The solar system has multiple suns, each of which has multiple planets. It probably wouldn't be possible in reality, but the fictional scenario allows for many planets without FTL travel.

@PeakVT i can't believe I never noticed the multiple suns before. I always thought they just ballooned the systems gas giants into mini stars and used that to hand wave the livable temprature of the outer planets

@@NoskcajLlahsram There's a central sun (White Sun) with its own solar system (Core Worlds), and several suns beyond that with their own solar systems. Some of those solar systems orbit the central solar system, but not all. There's also gas giants that were terraformed (helioformed) into dwarf stars with their own orbiting bodies. They all form a star cluster. A way to understand it is that it's, in concept, similar to how Alpha Centauri actually is, just on a massive scale with hundreds of orbiting bodies and several asteroid belts, etc.

B5 is still my favorite, for the story and character arcs, and for some of the ethical dilemmas- the way sci fi used to be. The visuals didn’t age well, but the stories are timeless.

It would be interesting if they could visit the earth of old, if it's even possible.

There are novels ?

It was soooooooooooooo... stupid when it came out

Yeah, they should have played reruns during the Playoffs and saved the new show for the off season.

It is supposed to be a multi-star system, with each star having several planets and moons. It wasn't really fleshed out directly on screen, but there's a few glimpses of it on computers scattered through the show and movie. Most of the info on it was presented external to the show though.

And CON MAN!

It's got a couple of sub-par episodes, but the par is so high compared to TV these days that it's all fantastic now

That's why the studio put it out first

not even close, out of gas and objects in space are both better episodes, as is Our Mrs Reynolds

I think Joss had a thing for her.

And Suits 😊

@@aikighost Alias was a J. J. Abrams show not a Wheedon one. About the only good thing he did, and I even liked the Twilight Zone style ending

And Cleopatra 2525

​@@catosinclair7459ya beat me to it, bro.

Right? They could make it bigger and brighter.

Make it slightly easier to synch your DVD.