discovery got 5 seasons of garage, firefly got half a season of gold.

I think it was for the best that Firefly only got what it did, It did what it needed to do and didn't end up going on for far too long.

We truly live in the worst timeline.

Clown world.

​@@RyuPlaneswalkerit really needed at least one more

Reynolds School of Hostage Negotiations.

Zoe is definitely a wookiee.

Yup, Serenity's rough, heavily used appearance is definitely similar to the Falcon, and the huge, bright and shiny new ships of the alliance are definitely reminiscent of the empire in Star Wars. Mal is definitely a Han Solo stand-in, and Inara is the upper class Leia who constantly insults him but secretly loves him. Kaylee is R2 (the cute mechanic that everyone loves). Simon is definitely 3PO (always worried, a bit annoying, socially awkward). River may well be Luke... just discovering her powers. Zoe and Wash as a pair are Chewie... a good pilot, co-captain, sidekick, and a good fighter. Book is a sort of Obi Wan... a wise older man imparting cryptic words of wisdom. Jayne? I'm not sure... but his character works well as a blunt tool, and as a sort of redemption arc.

Hehehe...YUP.!.!.!

Except there was an alien. Did everyone forget Bessie?

I have had to rebuy it a few times as I loan it out to create more fans. If I have to suffer the cancelation, so do they.

@@barryseebo3535YOU'RE A MONSTER and you're absolutely right.

Yup! The complete set.

Yup

I have the Blu-Ray set Brown Leather bound. Bought the series a few times. Browncoats!

Silver lining, it's been preserved exactly as it was unlike a lot of other IP. That's comforting in a way.

That feature film was more than we could have eve hoped for

@@zombiefryd At least we got that. Adam told us at a convention it missed by ONE million dollars to get more movies made.

Problem: It's not for the slaves to decide what they eat.

​@@zombiefrydI disagree. The movie was really disappointing. The one question I didn't ask after the end of the season was "what happened to River?" And yet we're now stuck with an entire movie that's the whole point. Yawn

That's why I never kiss them on the mouth.

I came here looking for this comment.

😂😂😂😂

Shiney 😊

After watching Kaylee eat that strawberry? For sure.

It is like a kick in the nuts.

That means Firefly is incredibly cheap, but is a much better quality show.

Also, every single Firefly actor became a recognized face in their next job. Even the sequel movies can't say that.

@@nathank2289 Not just the main cast. A very young Zac Efron plays a young Simon in a flashback episode. But that's more of a random fact than a causal link. Though you could say it helped Christina Hendricks, though adding on the curves to play Joan in Mad Men also helped her quite a bit.

Thank you for doing the math. It is tragic that there are only 14…

Mauler's spoiler-avoidance conversational gymnastics were world-class.

This is how you deal with the death of pop culture. By re-watching and reviewing what was once great.

It's not a secret that Ron Glass died.

Coincidence? Hmmmm.

@@BurkeanMama Still great.

The closest the rest of us can get is to share it with someone who's never seen it.

This and my obsession with dark souls are the reasons I eventually got into watching let's plays. I never imagined I'd enjoy watching someone else play a game, but then Dark Souls was so special to me that I wanted to see other people experience their own journey. The same could be said for great TV shows and movies. We can never see them for the first time again, so the next best thing is to do so vicariously through others. And when those others are two of the best content creators and streamers on KZfaq? Hell yeah, sign me up!

And he gets to watch the episodes in chronological order

​@mattg5791 I wondering where your comment was going.

Jayne has so many great lines. My favorite was from the movie. Mal "I'm not planning on any shooting taking place on this job" Jayne "Well what you plan and what takes place ain't ever exactly been similar"

​@@MWBalls Agreed, such a great character as well, Jaynetown is definitely one of my fav episodes. It's hard to pick a fav character from Firefly 'cause they're all really well written (even side ones like Yosaffbridge lol), but he would be one of my contenders for sure.

"My days of not taking you serious are certainly coming to a middle"

@@walkir2662 “How's it sit? Pretty cunning, don'tchya think?”

"My John Thomas is gonna pop off and fly around the room, there's so much tasty here!"

He was a master of his craft at the time. just look at how he sets up the commercial breaks; they're perfect.

What I'll say is that Whedon getting canceled was bullshit. Based on what he's been claimed to have done, some of it I don't believe, some of it I think he's entirely justified, and the rest just isn't nearly as bad as what a lot of people that are still working have done. As far as his skills, they're top notch and he (unfortunately) influenced an entire generation of writers that attempt to write in his style and utterly fail.

love this story

The best opening is when Kaylie and the Doctor are in a bar talking about cussing. She thinks he's a prude for not cussing, and he says he only cusses when he thinks it's really warranted. A minute later they see the statue of Jayne and he just says "Son of a bitch."

This shows how well the characters were fleshed out. The fact that we (viewers) picked that up by 3 episodes. Rarely does that happen, especially with the netflix/disney crap put out.

They would absolutely remake it if they could make Mal diverse and gay.

Or a woman.

@@kpax2066 Or a diverse and gay black woman. 🤣

Firefly was an ode to Blakes 7.... No, to a remake. Yes, to a similar themed show [Mandalorian was trying but fell flat].

Amen

ok, now i gotta ask: what are the other 4 shows?

@@sillystuff6247 ST:DS9 Spartacus Battlestar Galactica I've left a space for 'The Wire' - it's meant to be amazing 🤷🏽‍♂️ Honourable mentions: The Shield Band of Brothers Breaking Bad House Banshee

Band of Brothers

@@sillystuff6247 ST:DS9 Spartacus Battlestar Galactica Band of Brothers

Oozes charm and charisma

"Does that seem right to you?" No, actually, no.

I felt the same thing when Freaks & Geeks ended. Bittersweet feeling 😢

I would love to live in a world where Firefly got more seasons and multiple movies. But then I think about my current lack of interest in Star Wars. God, it would kill me if I got tired of Firefly.

@@philliptivis3082 Yeah. I think that is the one silver lining if any. They didn't have a chance to screw it up. What we have is amazing. As short as it may be. Not many shows get it 100% all the way through, if any at all.

If it did have more seasons, it would have inevitably reached the SHARK JUMPING moment that happens to all shows that run for more than a couple of seasons... it's better it is the way it is now... but beware, there's talks that Disney is planning on bringing the series back 😨... be afraid, be very afraid!!!😱

It’s crazy - i watch comedies or kids movies from 20 years ago and those had better writing than the $200M dramas and epics of today. Just look at the inexperience of these ‘writers rooms’. Everything is CW now.

"Everything's shiny, Cap'n. Not to fret." "Ooh, Grampa!" "You don't 'fix' the Bible, River!" "Mmm...good religion!"

Lets be bad guys.

Oh he would have returned. Mal is a good guy.

@@PatrickOMulligan No, he's only all right (for reference: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNSleqZk18ulm5c.html).

The crazy thing about it was, especially if you've seen Buffy or angel or both, is that Joss actually managed to make a bunch of good episodes of the first season. Usually his first seasons suck. That makes it more of a tragedy! Still, he got to close it up. That's kind of great.

Yes this is an awesome show! Love Nathan Fillion and Gina Torres especially! She’s such a great actress, she nailed it here and absolutely loved her in Suits as well!

And recognizing when it doesn't work; as with Rebecca Gayheart who originally cast as Inara. When they saw she didn't have chemistry with the group they fired her and replaced her with Morena at the last minute.

Joss Whedon did it

And so much diverstiy, its insane, why is no one complaining about all the strong female Characters? Because they were fucking well written and likeable, imagine that.

@@henriklarssen1331 spot on.

It always lifts my spirits a little when I see a new one. Means the signal’s still going.

"Now this is all the money Niska gave us...."

No,.modern writers will specifically subvert and replace with nothing. Mystery box is just empty.

@@pezdispencer113 Yeah. While I don’t actively despise JJ the way I do Rian, I am fully convinced that he’s a terrible storyteller and should never be allowed to write the script

The single biggest thing modern writers could do that would subvert the audience's expectations, would be to write a story that is actually good. Though for some reason they don't do that.

The executives were the guys who subverted expectations this round.

They also preempted many episodes, making it very irregular. Man, I had corporate!

Star Trek TOS had the same problem.

I feel like it was on FX, not on Fox proper (I know it’s a fox property/production). I wanted to watch it but couldn’t because I didn’t have cable, iirc. Am I mistaken on that?

I'm pretty sure that the death knell for the show was in its creation, when it was insisted that Wash & Zoe be married. It was Woke for its time, having a strong black woman married to a white guy.

@@Briaaanz Maybe with the corporates but the vast majority of people who have been exposed to the show love it and didn't recognize that as an issue. Is that relationship WOKE and intersectional or at least the foreshadowing of what was to come?! Sure, but it wasn't really leaned into, much like "Top Gun: Maverick". Content and casting was never the problem, if anything it was its strength; exposure or the lack there of was. This show was buried by FOX.

They don't have season 1 of Westworld in hell

@@stoneymahoney9106 Yeah and in heaven, anything past season 1 of Westworld didnt happen.

The hero of Canton the man they call... Me!!!! 😀

There's a really rare line that can activate during a fight, where Adam Baldwin says, "Say hello to Vera!" While shooting at the covenant.

And two are / where the vanguard in destiny

@@RedDwarfCruzI know Cade was/is played by Nathan, who covered another?

@@Michael-OBrien Zoe / Gina Torres, was the original voice of ikora rey.

Kaylee as well, she's got a traditional man's job of ship's mechanic, but she's still very feminine and desirable. She's great at her job, but the show doesn't use that to try to make the male characters look weak. She's strong willed, like when she calls out Simon being mean and bitter in the store in Safe, yet she's soft and inviting, convincing Book to join even though she called him Grandpa, which was a turn-off when a different crew called him the same thing. A very well written, acted and produced show.

Like a time capsule that is well preserved and under the radar.

I'm so glad to see this comment. All over reddit they still clamor for a sequel/continuation/remake, but we all know how it would turn out... like Star Trek, Star Wars and everything else has recently. Better to leave it as it was.

"i met my wife because of this show." "You have to tell me about that some time."

Yeah, but if any of those people are still actively in the business, they still aren’t the ones writing anything now. Only the new stunt hires, cheaply bought and thoroughly indoctrinated. 😢

I doubt any of them watched buffy and firefly

@@MrSphandor This. Oof.

They watched it, and the only thing they took away was snark humour

Yeah Out of Gas has to be one the best episodes of any show ever. So incredible

Objects in Space is also pretty memorable.

Every episode is a gem, but 'Out of Gas' is a masterpiece of storytelling and character backstory introduction.

Came to the comments just to say this.

I'm sure you know this, but I'm gonna say it anyway lol - when they were filming the last episode (the one that never aired) they had already been told the show was canceled. So all of the sorrow and disappointment you feel was coming from a real place.

The movie Serenity tied up the series nicely

​@@dunnagan5 I'm a leaf on the wind.

@@jackinthebox301 And all the cast & crew despite the fact they were already cancelled gave 105% as if they were going on forever. That's what I call _professional._

This is one of a very few shows that makes me cry at certain points. Like when Simon says to River at the end 'Arial,' "No, mei mei. It's time to wake up." Or when Mal looks off into the distance at the end of "Out of Gas" and sees Serenity for the first time across the scrapyard. Or near the end of the pilot when Kaylee pats the panel in the engine room and whispers, "That’s my good girl." So many moments.

I am pretty sure this line is a reference to Ender’s Game. In the books he figures out the flight patterns of the insectoid’s ships while watching leaves “tunneling” through the wind on the way to the ground. But it could be coincidence. Also, if you want to see an anime Joss borrowed A LOT from for this series, watch “Outlaw Star”. Plucky captain, Chinese-accented culture, space ships using medieval weapons, and of course, a girl smuggled in with the luggage.

@@JasonJrake i suppose it is similar to "the enemy's gate is down". And thanks for the rec!

Too soon @dudeguy8686. Too soon. 😔

Didn't they also change the day of the week it came out?

@@WayStedYou yes. Also fox just gave t baseball that year so in some markets episodes didn’t even air if there was a baseball game.

@@WayStedYou I don't know... I was lucky to stumble on only one of the episodes when it aired. Immediately wanted more.

I remember seeing one, I think before the show was set to air, that concluded with the shot of the Serenity flying over the herd of cows. I thought it looked stupid. I've never been so happy to be completely wrong. Wish I had caught it as it aired, only gave it a shot in the lead up to the movie.

I remember a commercial for it. It was right after Buffy finished airing and it had a tagline along the lines of "If you liked what Joss whedon did with vampires, see what he does to space".

Probably and perhaps. But we still would have gotten three of four good seasons before the musical episode. And I would just rewatch the good ones.

It would be getting the Star wars treatment right now.

House of Lies was one of my favorite shows - unexpected hit and after Season 1 you could tell IMMEDIATELY the industry swooped in and started adding political talking points and narratives and the forced LGBT representation. Just massacred the show. Anything that gets eyeballs will be assimilated.

Pillar of the community. I've met him numerous times at Cons. Cool guy! Check out who is father is, sometime!

He was great as a friendly antagonist (Jim Sterling) in Leverage. (The name was also a fun shout-out to the old pulp radio dramas since he was effectively a British version of "Johnny Dollar").

A young Simon was played by Zak Efron. YoSaphBridge was played by Christina Hendricks. Some other great early appearances of acting legends, too.

The fact that these "critics" and "fans" say things like that, that a 100, 150, 200+ million dollar SINGLE SEASON of a tv show, needs multiple seasons to 'tell its story' or 'find its feet' etc, is so pathetic it can only be the result of the Mouse doing Mouse things.

That’s a strange reaction. Fantasy and SF often need time to build the world and character relationships before the action appeals to the masses. Firefly literally does this as well. Episode 1 is setting the groundwork. Some ppl nowadays demand instant gratification and constant highs from what they’re watching and it’s a ridiculous thing to have expectations like that. Sometimes shows/books/films require world-building that won’t appeal to a casual.

@@towerofghenjei Did you mis-read the comments? Nobody said single episode, but single season.

They ALL had their characters nailed from the first minute. Yes, so many shows do have actors that finally nail their role by season 3….kudos to everyone involved in this

@@towerofghenjei On one hand -- yeah, you need to get that setup and payoff for some really awesome shit. On the other, that shouldn't be an excuse to not make a good show. Too many shows nowadays try to sit on their laurels saying "the first seasons are often the ones that have the worst rated episodes" ignoring that they are often good episodes that are overshadowed by the ones that come later, not because they are actually bad.

I might have to watch it in that order now, just to see how little sense it makes.

Fox was confused by it and cancelled it before it could get a solid audience. Simply tragic.

@@LifeTheUniverseAndEverything42 More than that, they hated it and wanted it gone. They did everything in their power to work against it. They wouldn't even sell the rights to interested networks.

​@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 a massive skill issue on them.

@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 Change of executive leadership, iirc? Can't have the old managements product outshining your 'new, better slate'...

@@ssharp755 Sounds about right.

Jewel's acting in this series is massively underappreciated, her reactions to everything happening around her are top tier

And she was only 19 years old when the show started filming. She brought so much to that character for an actress so young.

Don’t you just love the frillies !!!

There are some good books and comics out there (Dark Horse Comics).

@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 I liked the comic one-shot where they temporarily got wealthy from a successful heist. However, I didn't enjoy the Shepherd Book back-story because it's pretty much just a screed of Whedon's own extreme politics - ie a "long march through the institutions" to sabotage and deconstruct a society from within.

And when they did finally have a space battle it was awesome!

Do you mean Jubal Early?

"You know, with the exception of one deadly and unpredictable midget, this girl is the smallest cargo I have ever had to transport and by far the most troublesome. Does that seem right to you?" "What'd he do?" "Who?" "The midget." "Arson. Little man loved fire."

Interesting, just wondering where does Simon and river fit with him personality wise or is it the point that they’re too different from Mal?

Book. ...that ain't no preacher

I'm still reeling from him not knowing The Fall Guy was a remake. Yeah I can't believe he hadn't seen this yet. One of the best of all time.

I think I saw it four times in the cinema, so I did my duty!

No shit?!? I’ll have to look that up. I missed it.

@@A_Slayer_Named_Buffy Yep! around 14:07 runtime left corner

Found it! I always missed it. That’s one of those scene transitions you’re always taking advantage of the moment to reach for your beer or pick up that dropped potato chip.

@@A_Slayer_Named_Buffy One does not simply drink and watch movies! Cheers, mate!

I'm not buying it. It was in reruns on SCI FI for a decade and the dvd sales were huge.