Or the "professional" handing out the diagnosis dislikes them and wants to discredit them, for whatever reason.

I know it very personaly. Also got that label. From that time I now realize was cured as only idiot and problematic person uncopable to take this into my heart. Well thay managed neverthless. My psyche is so much demaged and full of hate as never befor. I stood up for my DG is not this. JUst to whatever do to not be treated as "ashole" on every psychiatric ocasion before i even open my quite mouth just a bit.

I agree with this, but I also think we become reactively abusive and manipulative, although with very little actual malice or self-awareness. We show up in a wounded way, from a wounded place, and while I think understanding WHY we are the way we are is super important, it shouldn’t ever be held onto as a way to avoid accountability for our sometimes awful behaviors and the harm we do to others in our chaos. Being abused in childhood doesn’t give us the right to turn our partners into the parents we never had and hold them hostage with our outbursts. It doesn’t excuse the harm we do to our own selves either. Empathy for the inner child that was abused and/or neglected is crucial. But so is accountability. Speaking only from my own experience of course.

There are now posters at our local hospital and urgent care telling you that "non-compliance" with your caretaker's commands is abuse. Way to manipulate your patients, huh? How about refusing to give your patients their more "enjoyable" prescribed medications, (for whatever reasons), which has happened to me repeatedly over the years. They ALWAYS cover their behinds

I grew up with 2 narcissistic parents. When I finally sought therapy, my therapist never diagnosed me but sent me on a dialectic behavioural therapy course and it gave me some great insights and tools to help me change my toxic thinking and self-destructive behaviour. Looking back now, I can see I suffered from many borderline symptoms, when I was really just traumatised.

Unfortunately, if you take one into your life and pay the excruciatingly high emotional cost - you will find that there is nothing you can do to heal them. The dog is a far better bet...

@@brianmarshall3931 Yeah... Its not easy for sure. Maybe our human language gets in the way sometimes too. These stray people can say the most hurtful things to try and keep you away. While stray dogs would simply bite you. I was mostly referring to staff in psychiatry here though

You raise a great point. What would be the proper setting or venue for those people? A group home? A rehab facility? An outpatient program? Structure? I’m no expert. Mark Twain had an interesting quote - “You take a stray dog in, you feed it, shelter it and give it a home and it will be loyal to you for the rest of your life. You take a stray man in , you feed him, shelter him, and give him a home, he’ll steal your wife and then kill you.”

@@foryourspirit3995 Yeah I don't know. But I've seen awesome therapists work wonders with people that didn't even speak. Sometimes by just sitting beside them, giving them time. Maybe they were totally psychotic too. It's about trust and there's no magic formula for that I suppose.

some animal rescue people will rescue a dog from homeless person, or someone in poverty and give money for the dog get medical care, shelter etc and not consider helping the person

You’re right he really is. I like Patrick Teehan also and he has courses I can take which is cool. Love both of them though.

Therapists are fixers. They fix. Just fix….. Mr. Mackler is a healer.

You are so right about this ! 🫂🫶🏼

Therapists have the "rapists" in their name for a reason 😊

give to his patreon :)

Dudes a joke. Doesnt believe in personality disorders? Lol the DSM isnt just based off nothing.

@@markdouglas1601 The term personality disorder is a joke. What does it even mean? That the entire personality is disordered? Personality is identity, does it mean someones identity is a disorder? If a person has a problem that impacts behaviour, like unregulated emotions, then unregulated emotions is the problem, not the personality. Making someone believe there's something fundamentally wrong with them doesn't solve problems, it causes more problems.

@@krystle8534 what is personality if it isnt behavior and emotions? Most clients are relieved when a therapist is able to put a name to what is going on with them. They are aware something is off..you have to know what's wrong in order to fix it

@@krystle8534 an when you consider that theres standard traits to disorders that everyone within that disorder exhibits..its not like it's a made up. Acting like it doesnt exist to spare feelings because "personality disorder" sounds offensive is a problem

Okay then every disorder would be egotistical. Everyone in general is egotistical these days. 🤷‍♀️ This is why I think all these disorders are bs

Yeah. Also the whole concept of mood disorders is misleading. It really seems like (usually) a natural response to trauma/ being rejected/ disowned, etc. either very intensely in the past &/or persistently. Of course said person is going to be (at least sometimes, when not numb/ major depressive) hyper-sensitive, mood swings, trust issues, etc. It's just people who have been Very fortunate usually say "oh well they're acting weird, they aren't right, so they must be ill/ must be a chemical imbalance" 😆 can't help but laugh at it, but it really seems true. Some people are completely controlled by their emotional self, some can move in and out of it. When stressed, I mean it's inevitable or at least very likely the emotional mind will take over. But yeah, ultimately yep everyone reacts differently, some may think it's mostly their fault, some may blame the system, some may be sometimes proud of it, or not at all, etc.

I was looking for that comment! So true, everyone with bpd will say they are suffering from it... I get it with narcissism but borderline, hell nah... self harm, depression, anxiety, unstable emotions, clearly not fun for anyone and only someone who is severely disconnected from understanding it and judging from a very narrow mind would ever say that.

Clarity doesn't equate freedom.

@@Dani-lc9hqi think it comes from the nature that these behaviors are (and have been their whole lives) essentially coping mechanisms for their traumas, and they translate these traumatic experiences (and in turn their coping mechanisms) to other experiences they have in life.

Absolutely

Exactly it is

You can say that again.

@@LuckiestStarByFar The mental health system is crap.

The mental health system is DESTRUCTIVE.

A good therapist can really help, working with oneself is necessary but so is having an objective to help clarify things and point out possible blind spots.

Same for me. I just went no contact to someone who knows my abusers. I just don’t want to go down that path of being bullied again. No contact is the best

This exactly!

How did you manage to break contact? Do you not see any siblings either? I am on verge of choosing this

But this natural reaction often becomes a disorder in the "normal outside world". The very fact that you adapt so quickly in healthier conditions might speak against the "D" in BPD in your case.

I can imagine that, I was told how everything I'm feeling wasn't real all the time without a diagnosis... imagine cutting someone and then telling them they shouldn't be bleeding... people just don't realize when it comes to emotions... Healing myself from all the abuse and gaslighting I learned that the number one thing to do is to validate my emotions... that's really what it takes to release, "no you're not crazy, those emotions are completely valid," to the inner child... if that's how we would have been treated we wouldn't have developed such extreme emotions in the first place.

Yeah, if your family throws it in your face you are double whamied (didn't know the correct word for doubly hit). Your family of origin caused the problem and now they use it against you! Real helpful, real supportive. It shows you what the problem was/is. Get away from them. They should bring you into their arms and rock you and tell you we love you; we are sorry. They shouldn't do the "I told you so" dance.

People abuse info they have about you. It is wrong. There is a way to show support and within that framework help a person struggling with these issues. But when someone throws it at you as a way of putting you in your place, of one upping you, of denigrating and demeaning you, it says a lot about the person doing it. It is so hard to tell anyone you are struggling with any psychological problem if they are going to use it to control you. It is as if you no longer are entitled to be part of the dialogue about who you are and what happens to you. Someone else gets to decide for you. They have decided you are less intelligent, etc.

Ask them to go to family therapy with you. If they don't then you can proceed to remind them of how they've refused to co-operate & are hiding things...

@@Dani-lc9hq Are you over 40? The reason I ask is because you don't write in sentences and use a bunch of ellipsis marks (the three or four periods in a row). I've read that kids nowadays see that as a "boomer alert." I'm over 40, and I have never written like that.

And basic self care.

This is so important!

@@jine7123 :)

We have a rational brain and a survival brain which has a name I forgot what they call it limbic or something the survival brain is controlling us or overriding the rational critical thinking brain that's why Freud thought unconscious is more important than conscious feelings kinda the same thing

Someone with Borderline is not able to trust herself. There are no structures that would allow it. Three quotes from an actual individual that might illustrate that a bit: "How can I trust myself, when I made so many errors?" "Everything I did in my life turned out to be wrong". "There are tendencies within me that tear in all directions, but in all that, I am nowhere to be found". They don't have a base on which they can build anything.

Yup, I have PTSD and a childhood autism dx, yet one really bad psychologist I saw years ago tried to diagnose me with BPD despite that. Turns out she never bothered to tell me that she didn't get my old medical records even though I told her I'd have them fax them over. They were indeed sent to her so I wonder if she just throw them away and didn't even look at them...I think she just wanted to dx BPD because she didn't like me. Who knows. But she completely shattered my trust in psychology. i haven't seen another therapist since

Right? Unbelievable. I get that though the last church I was at I was telling the elder I was dating, “doesn’t Christianity seem like a cult?” I just kept adding everything up.Yet I’m still a Christian. Lol! Only reason why I still love the church is because everyone is kind there and the pastor and his wife love well. But I still wonder if it’s a cult because of all the rules they place when you join the church. 🤔

If you were in a cult yu had some serious issues that needed to be addressed.

@@michaelpond813 Maybe, but "BPD" was not one of them.

Psyches just want to push big pharma s drugs. They get kickbacks to do this, and it’s their way out of not having to actually do any work to resolve the problems. So never trust them, and never believe them.

How are you doing now?

Wishing you the best!!!

Paris Hilton was in one of those facilities also parents do this because they don’t know how to parent most teens do the whole drinking and partying thing and parents try so hard to control. I rebelled when I was in my 20’s when living with my father. Funny this is that my brother is the golden child now and my half sister is perfect lol while I’m the black sheep oh well

I went through the same and now in my 20's fully realizing the extent of the abuse from parents and professionals alike. They were teammates in the abuse. Wishing you the very best healing.

Sorry about what you endured. That's really effed up. 😢 now you can finally start healing and you know the truth.

Same. I'm in a hard place now. I'm told to "reach out" for help. I'm mistreated by the mental health system.

Same. Sadly, there are lots of us out there

Right? It’s unbelievable.

@@kahlodiego5299 it’s better to just do the inner work and see what’s going on.

@@mariahconklin4150 yep i've been doing the inner work and finding good qualified competent therapists (online) along the way but the chunk of it is on my own and it's been turning out just fine.. wonderful actually.

That person doesn't seem to respect the reality of how people change. There are reasons for who and how we all are. Maybe bring this up. If they even take any pride in you getting your problems solved and moving on in your life.

A bad, incompetent therapist. There are a lot of them around, unfortunately.

That sounds like countertransference. Like that’s the therapist throwing their own trauma or unresolved issues back at you for whatever reason. I’ve noticed that some therapists are not very sympathetic towards any kind of person dealing with learned helplessness or even legitimate helplessness, despite the reasoning behind how the client may have gotten to that point.

@@loanicastillo3327 I'm not in a box but thank you. Acknowledging that I've been traumatized is not a box. My therapist also had that low key new age victim blaming element to what she said.

@@MyraMabry She often seemed triggered by my shadow side that came out during EMDR and would lecture me about how I was wrong lol, rather than let me come to conclusions on my own. It was very distracting. So yeah she definitely threw a lot of her issues back at me. For the record, I knew that the shadow self was wrong but I was trying to heal it!

"the way you react to things is wrong and extreme" Okay Karen you try being assaulted up until the age of 5 by an older male relative and then YOU try to go through your life without doing everything you can to avoid that situation again or even memories of that situation again.

I was severely bullied at school and partly bullied by family members growing up, was diagnosed with BPD at 18, my therapist didn't want to put me on medication so they told me to exercise and eat better, did some CBT and DBT that really helped me. Anyways I ended up going overboard with the exercise and fell down another hole of eating disordered bullshit. Last time I saw a doctor I specifically asked and told them that I need a dietician / help with my eating disorder and she said "I think you have borderline personality disorder and we will treat it accordingly" which was horrible and invalidating for me, because my ED has nothing to do with it. I've always been a bigger person who's struggled with weight/ my appearance before I was "acting out" and being "problematic" . I'm aware they both go hand in hand but calling me emotionally unstable because nobody can treat me with respect and I won't tolerate being treated like shit is pretty fucking invalidating.

@@goroakechi3593 Find the dietitian on your own. And research, research, research! You can "fix" a lot of problems if you have a choice of solutions...

9th grade!!!, go back at 40 and see if it's real and ongoing. Imo

Okay so basically you are my long lost twin hahaha.... you just took the words outta my mouth and yes.... a biatch just wants to be okay. Hope that life gets better for you!!! I actually found isolating myself works whilst I slowly work on myself.... I research stuff on internet and mostly youtube. I found hypnotherapy (most from youtube so its free) whilst I sleep, listening to frequency (again youtube) sounds, listening to positive affirmations constantly or meditation music, yoga (with Adrianne), and taking responsibility for everything in my life , oh and staying away from relationships or casual relationships and watching stuff on manifesting and building a relationship with the creator in a universal, esoteric way... I also found it really good to make rules for myself around interacting with other humans (such as keeping my anger to myself and trying not to lash out or stay away from people who trigger me), setting up simple boundaries such as people arent allowed to visit me without calling first (very simple). Also, in regards to traumatic relationships in my past I try to find three main things that were good about the people involved and I only think about that.... it helps me to only see the good in all that has happened and then I only invite that into my current. It doesnt take away from whatever they did that was wrong to me.... I would not allow it into my life ever again but forgivness is def the key.

Most of them are selected through the education system because of their relecutance to question... Look up Pyschometric testing.

It's not a question of extraordinary intelligence. It's a question of extraordinary honesty and courage.

@@AnnaPrzebudzona Disagree: it is the combination of intelligence, sensitivity, experience and courage.

Many of us do, this is also why we are here

BPD isn't treated with medications, it's treated with therapy

Nick Ark Quite likely some are prescribed benzodiazepines and other sleepers often.

100%!

man's nature is to make war with other people who are different

That goes for mainstream healthcare and treatment of almost anything you can think of, not just mental disorders. It shows that we live in a sick insane society...how improper and out of balance things are. People used to shun and isolate people with leprosy before we truly understood it and how to treat it. It’s a sickness of humanity...when it comes to anything unknown, we don’t seem to have the wisdom and intelligence to respond appropriately.

That's a very good change and much more appropriate to the condition.

Disorder isn't judgemental either, so no reason to change the name.

@@ian1352 I disagree. "Disorder" implies that a negative response to traumatic stress is abnormal.

Maybe we should judge badly people who manipulate, lie, hurt and completely destroy lives of other people. Covering it by calling them 'happy rainbow people' won't help. In few years HRP will be as "stigmatizing" as BPD. Because it didn't change the underlying evilness of BPD people. It doesn't matter if it's intentional or they were victim in their childhood. Their victims care what they do to them.. now.

Far less judgement, but still. People with PTSD are not exactly treated with the level of compassion, on the societal level.

Exactly. Abusers never get diagnosed, because they do not suffer. They are clearly disturbed, but hey, abusers love to call the victim crazy. It always works in their defense.

Right? 😂

@@altenberg-greifensteinmy ex has ADHD and so does my brother. Both are somewhat narcissistic. I always would stand up for myself and they can’t take it 😂 yea woman can be abusive but it’s mostly men it seems. Way too controlling it sad.

Or you’ll have that case where the man murdered his three kids and the enabling father. Guy just snaps on everyone I never understood why people get married or have kids if they have control issues I do at times and this is why I don’t have kids nor am married I don’t want any of that I’m happy as is

Johnny Depp did this to Amber Heard! That psychologist Depp hired signed an agreement stating she would diagnose Amber with BPD almost a year before meeting Amber! Abusers love labeling their exes as crazy and stupid people believe the abusers nearly every time.

Good on you! You've no idea how rare you are!

Telling you that you are "unwilling to cooperate" is code for them being frustrated with you not allowing them to abuse you and otherwise violate your boundaries. It's easier for them to scapegoat their clients when they prove inept at truly helping. Most therapists suck hard.

@@wordivore haha exactly

How are you doing today?

Excellent comment! I don't think there's any such thing as NORMAL! If everyone was perfectly robotically perfect it'd be the most boring world. If you look at most really great movies, the behaviors of the lead characters are usually some form of very high emotions! People needn't be pigeon holed!

Yup! I was misdiagnosed with BPD after a severely abusive relationship. I was finally diagnosed with CPTSD.

I was diagnosed with C-PTSD and don't behave anything like people diagnosed with BPD do. There are lots of videos by psychiatrists/psychologists discussing the differences between C/PTSD and BPD. There may be some overlap, but they remain distinctly different disorders. You can also have comorbid disorders--BPD and PTSD simultaneously, which applies to many BPD people if they experienced trauma.

NKN112011 Psychologist here. And yes, I am a psychologist who was diagnosed with CPTSD and changed career paths after severe abuse. Just because you don’t personally behave similarly, doesn’t mean that BPD and CPTSD aren’t very similar. One person with anxiety will act completely different than another-or a person diagnosed with depression, Bipolar disorder, ect. can have varying behaviors. Many in the psych field don’t understand BPD very well. There is so much misinformation on this disorder. That’s why Daniel Mackler hit the nail on the head. People diagnosed with BPD come from trauma and are having a post traumatic stress response to horrific trauma. It’s VERY common for women to be misdiagnosed with BPD for this reason. I could continue, but saying that you don’t behavior similarly, is not enough evidence to say that CPTSD and BPD are not essentially the same. There is also a lot of information out there agreeing with this perspective, ie this video.

@@saraH-yu1mx yes I happen to agree with you. Many so called "disorders" stem from trauma. They manifest differently in everyone. At this point there is no proof that they are not all the same thing, and have simply been renamed to distinguish one constellation of symptoms from another. All roads lead to Rome in my opinion. Thank you for your comment.

@@saraH-yu1mx There are a number of mental health professionals, including KZfaqrs Dr. Todd Grande and Dr. Tracey Marks, who see PTSD, C-PTSD, and BPD as distinct disorders. They may acknowledge there is some overlap, but they argue there are significant differences. For one, not all people with BPD experienced childhood abuse or betrayal trauma, and many people with PTSD or C-PTSD do not have BPD traits. (C-PTSD isn't even an official disorder in the US.) I used myself as an example, but I did not say I was basing my argument just on my personal experience. In addition, there is research indicating that BPD has a genetic component. This is another way BPD stands out from people who have experienced trauma generally. I suspect the push to argue that BPD is just a trauma disorder is because BPD has a stigma that PTSD or C-PTSD don't. Moreover, implying that everyone with BPD has suffered trauma downplays the abuse that some people with BPD inflict on others. Finally, as I mentioned, someone with BPD can also have PTSD or C-PTSD, which may be why you were misdiagnosed. But certainly not every person with BPD does, and there is research that backs this up.

Thanks Kim. I appreciate it. I think, however, that mental health professionals could learn best if they listened more to their clients and less to their pre-ordained theories.

That's horrible. I'm sorry you went through that. Fuck her tho , dont get bogged down by their opinions

Cynthia Baker are you trolling or? Saying that someone seeking hospital care when they're afraid for their emotional well being "histrionic" or "attention seeking" is pretty gross. I already am fearful of seeking care as it is.

Cynthia Baker it sounded like you were saying I was and if I was upset at your comment I am thus histrionic. I guess I don't entirely get your comment then- can you clarify?

Darcy Royce thank you. I'm so glad you got help! At this point I'm staying away from insurance. I'll be seeking out of pocket and I hope I can find someone helpful!

Cynthia Baker you were not on that call. I needed to speak to a crisis councilor, he was incredibly critical and gaslighting when he was just suppose to transfer me to a crisis councilor's. I've never had a nurse drill me when I was in emotional crisis so I could get transferred to a crisis councilor's. Even the crisis councilor's said he was awful and I cannot believe you're using the appeal to authority fallacy to justify someone's insensitive behavior.

Hallelujah!!!!

I'm so happy that someone with this thought is studying to be a clinical psychologist.

Except, in Canada, we have healthcare, though not full mental health care. Same problems here. Except if you end up in a mental health team which is covered (a psych and a caseworker), they will torment you and you can’t really just leave. Well I haven’t tried because of abusive parents but my impression is that they refuse to just let you go. They want to squash you no matter what. When I finally lost it once because if listening to one psych go and on about ridiculous bs and finally the last straw. He immediately said we’re not a good fit and then eventually pushed me onto a new psych who is worse than him. I’ve since had issues with her but she hasn’t transferred me so I’m guessing they are trying to control me and she’s their best option. I wish I could just leave. But it really feels like I’m stuck with this stupid team who has only ever made me worse. And traumatized me a million times. Each session feels like a huge ordeal and I literally explode in relief when it’s over. I dunno but my point is, the same shit happens here.

Insurance, meaning money, drives so much of life. These issues are complicated and we all need to give our stories to the learning process. Don't give up. You have a perspective that is needed to drive change. It may not happen in your lifetime but let's hope we will eventually make better sense of all of this.

Clinicians don't like taking them on because as Daniel says, they increase a private practioner's insurance. Also they are very difficult to treat.

I like your term Societal Betrayal. 👍

I recommend reading Alice Miller's book: "Thou Shalt Not Be Aware: Society's Betrayal of the Child"

A lot of therapists are really sick themselves. I have DID It’s basically fancy ptsd My life will be better if I focus on living it and not labels Good for you! ❤

To be fair, PTSD diagnosis doesn't account for the dark triad traits borderlines often display, such as manipulation, playing the victim, and acting out maliciously. There is a reason why borderlines were originally classed in the same category of personality disorders along with antisocial personality and narcissistic personality.

@@AI-ch3if That is a good point.

Yes I agree, no one should diagnose someone when they are going through withdrawals! It makes no sense to do that

That screaming was plain wrong.

I have so much respect for your realization of reality within these systems. I hope you are doing well.

I fell in love with a young man when I was sixteen he was a nineteen-year-old psychology student. His dad was a g p so it seemed like a natural thing for him to go into I thought it was a noble thing mostly I just loved him he was my long-haired hippie boyfriend sensitive type of guy very intelligent but I would have been perfectly happy if you would have done something else it ruined my life and it ruin here's I guess I shouldn't say that it was his choice. He was much more selfish than I knew and he wanted the big career and a prestige in the money that came with it me on the other hand I thought maybe that was because he was altruistic but he wasn't he put his career before me and he strung me along for a year after he asked me to marry him I broke up with him but I love him too much and stayed best friends with him for 24 years but what happened was it took 12 years for him to get that PhD in Psychology and three extra years of goofing around at another University just for I don't know what but anyways finally he took a job as a federal prison psychologist just for the ease of it the pension the automatic job. He hated it he hated it so bad that when I asked him how it was his new job he said he cried himself to sleep every night woke up crying having nightmares every night discontinued probably at least 6 months or more I begged him to quit but he wouldn't quit. When he first told me he was going to take that he was thinking about taking that job I said no that job is not for you you are too sensitive and his mother said the same thing he should have listened to us years went by and he still hated the job I tried to get him to quit but he wouldn't quit I still loved him after 20 years and still wanted to marry him but we were too old to have children then. Then he ghosted me there's more to the story but shame on him he was just like his dad he physically looked like his dad and he had his dad's personality his mother even said it to me that he was selfish like his dad I thought it was all about being altruistic and wanting to help people but it wasn't he just wanted to be some big thing and make money and put his career before me well he really had one horrible career to me you don't go to college for 15 years to do something you absolutely hate. He was a straight-A student to. Oh yeah I may add a few years after I broke up with him I fell in love with another young man he was too young though younger than I still had a few years of prep school left his mother wanted him to be a doctor because she taught medical terminology and was married to the Chief of Staff of a nearby teaching University this boyfriend had dyslexia and really could barely read and I told him absolutely no don't even try to be, doctor I had to tell him the truth you don't read well enough yet and you probably never will and that was true I said it would be horribly hard for you believe me I've been engaged to be married to somebody University is really hard to give you a lot to read you don't want to be a doctor you won't have a life I said pick a nice four-year degree of something like business business the Arts whatever you want to do but just make it a four-year degree you're the marrying kind you're the kind that wants marriage and children he was he couldn't wait to get married was fantasizing like a woman about a church wedding he was a real nice man anyways I gave him the best advice and he took it I don't think he took it because of me I think it just came out that way but I knew what was best for him I never got to see him again he went to Upstate around Buffalo and I went back to Houston but 10 years later he married and had his first child and he is still married and has a good life. I loved him and I gave him good advice.

You can never be sincere around in those circles, it is dangerous..

@Archie from Brighton Absolutely !! Yes, one has to be very careful not to go along or be an enabler or reward bad behavior, it can be tricky. I'm with you 100%.

Damn can relate

@@danceswithcoyotes8273 That sounds crazy. I have thought many times that therapist uses diagnosis to gaslight patients.

@@danceswithcoyotes8273 That sucks. I don't know your story, but it really sounds like gaslighting, and I actually think its not that unusual. My friend recently was told that he was "projecting" because he expressed a need for the therapist to be more warm ( the therapist was actually telling my friend that it was something he inhibited, even though they only saw each other one time ). That is such a crazy thing to say to a client, without even knowing them. There are some fucked up therapists out there.

@@danceswithcoyotes8273 what I have heard, expression is part of the healing. Trying to pull you back in to repressing your feelings, is destructive. It sounds like she is not able to hold space for your anger, yes. It sounds like she haas some work to do with herself. A warm therapist is a must for us to feel safe expressing difficult emotions.

That’s like 1800s BS, what the hell

@@samwallaceart288 yeah, I don't even think they are questioning what they are telling people Its insane.

Agreed! 👍

You're more likely to receive real treatment and empathy from practitioners with "CPTSD" than with a "personality disorder".

Extremely true. Why aren’t therapists approaching everybody as if they’re ruled by trauma anyway? Most people are, at least parts of their lives are, especially the people arriving at therapy!

What you describe Is that the unreflected reaction to the diagnosis is bad. The diagnosis itself cannot have a mal or benign intention, it can only be correct or incorrect. It is our posture towards the patient that matters. So we have to evolve as a professional group. it's not the diagnosis that has to die for our colleagues' stupidity.

The impact of the diagnosis goes beyond the therapist’s need for being correct in their observations. Why do we presuppose that someone who has a degree can objectively diagnose when there are so many dynamics that favour the therapist (just get the diagnosis) so we can notch another paying client (be successful) and please the college (be in compliance)?

The best description of their behavior I came across was "they do things that make you feel crazy for noticing".

I just got out of a relationship with a "BPD" woman and it's traumatizing as hell. So confusing and heartbreaking to witness and being on the receiving end off. I'm trying to be understanding right now, but i mostly just feel hate towards her. And myself for not seeing the signs to begin with.

I’m sorry you had to go through that. It sounds very similar to how one of my older sisters treated me growing up but I think it’s likely that it’s narcissism more than anything. Another trauma response that can wreak havoc on people’s relationships and self perception to where they are truly the center of the world and everyone else is just a mere chess piece in their game. They develop these traits over time because they felt they had to in order to survive the situations they were in but down the line if they don’t heal it only sets them up for failure in their future. It’s getting better I think but as Daniel says the way the mental health industry has been set up makes it very hard for people to heal let alone in the proper way.

Good for you. Saved yourself. The doc was a looney tune.

He’s clearly just projecting his own crap onto you it’s so obvious.

I received it from a psychiatrist (but said straight away that she could be wrong) specialist in trauma and it didn't sit well. but I looked into it and there were definitely some relevant traits but not really that much and later she adjusted her diagnosis and said it was trauma complex which actually fits better and in a strange way, maybe we should just see those diagnosis as merely framework conceptual tools and not exaggerating their power that they have per se

YES

. . . The profession IS predominantly "underbelly."

what about the men who have been diagnosed then? This sounds like you want to be the victim. Stop making everything about misogyny. Its annoying

@@lacheinc the vast majority of this diagnosis go to women. Look at the data

@@lacheinc Please point out where anyone said 1. it's only women and never men who are diagnosed BPD, 2. everything is about misogyny, 3. there's any need for anyone to be concerned what you specifically might find annoying. Could it be that making everything not about misogyny is indicative of something worse than merely annoying? I think it might be. It's worth looking into.

That's still not an excuse for shitty behaviour

@@joelbarish no it is not. That person does not have real friends and it is the most lonesome person I know. It is absolutely tragic.

yeah I think it's a good thing to diagnose. It permit us to define ourself

Is to be looking as you say ‘less alone’ one of the reasons you agree with your diagnosis? Does it help you to feel affirmed?

Diagnosis doesn't give any explanation what so ever. It's only a lifelong stigma. They could have been giving you any diagnosis, and you would have related.

Love this comment so much. Wish you all the best through your path

Bethany Saxton in my city if you have BPD even if you’re very suicidal etc you’re unlikely to ever get a hospital admission. People have died due to this here. One guy went to ER four times in the week before he died from suicide.

NKN112011 there’s a strong correlation between having a mother with narcissistic personality disorder and developing bpd later in life which is essentially ptsd

BPD has helped me understand the ways in which my mother abused me. She did come from a history of trauma but she also traumatized me

Rachela Ou I watch Joyce Meyers and she might help... I feel I am similar to you

@@wallacemohlenbrok1256 thank you ❤

If you need someone to go through the book with you feel free to reach out I don’t mind it. I know what you mean to I feel like theirs something wrong with me when I cut my whole family out of my life and friends I felt so lost still do. I have one friend and it’s my ex and I get so triggered by him or out of the blue I’ll just get triggered and mad. I think I may have a sensory processing disorder to because I don’t like to be around people nor do I trust them. Not sure if that’s what you’re going through but feel free to reach out to me. Name is Mariah I just have different accounts

looking into complex ptsd may be fruitful for you. lots of people in the comments here and some working professionals in these fields are thinking BPD is more a presentation of trauma than some innate personality type. whether or not you feel cPTSD is a term that fits, the literature that does exist for it will probably be able to offer you some help in figuring out where your behaviors may have come from, likely starting in childhood. it could be parents, close family members, bullying in school by peers/friends that warp your behaviors and mindset towards the world, resulting in traits that may be called borderline

@@eg4441 Yes. Thank you. I do feel c-ptsd is an apt diagnosis for me. Everything fits. Just waiting to get an official diagnosis so I can get help from the Canadian government. Meanwhile I might spend all my hard won savings just on food, vet bills and basic utilities, and end up on welfare again. 😢 I have a lot of anxiety about losing my money. Hard to get and keep any kind of acceptable long-term employment.

Not really. I don't have any of the symptoms, and neither do most people.

Greetings! I have no idea if this will help, but I did make a video on making friends: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qa1jnLB8udevn3k.html And maybe my self-therapy playlist might help? kzfaq.info/sun/PLRHLaIzKomTjZpFsYI0NPnHUteoRHLTiL Wishing you the best --- Daniel

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