Croc 2 was the first game I worked on when I moved to Argonaut. It was a really fun one to work on and was *nearly* released for the Dreamcast with extra worlds (including Wild West Gobbos) until Sega imploded just before it was finished. It definitely got released on the PC though :)

Yes! Thank you for making an episode about Croc. Literally the first console game I ever played!

I did read Fox like the premise so much, they wanted to turn it into a CG cartoon series ALA Donkey Kong. It also explains why they hired a Simpsons writer to pad out the story.

I fucking loved Croc as a kid and I play the shit out of Croc 2 The music in this episode really brought me back, it was so good. I'm off to replay it now

Croc 2 eventually got a PC release, I had it on PC.

Complete History of Dynasty Warriors. I must know the subtle differences in all 200 entries in the series.

I'm not surprised at Nintendo's "less than ethical" back-handed business practices... I mean look at the fast one they pulled on Sony in the mid 90's. Boy, that didn't work out well for them huh?

... Wow. That was definitely a dick move from Nintendo. Between that and fucking things up with Rare, it's no wonder they don't exactly foster trust with third-party companies.

The Sega Saturn version has the best music, and can output in Dolby Surround Pro Logic, which was mind-blowing for 1997 (even today is sounds phenomenal). The controls are also tighter on the Saturn version, none of that slip-sliding present in the PSX version.

Thanks for posting this, it's great to hear the entire story of Croc. I was the lead artist on this game, brings back so many fond memories, but I only started once it actually moved from Yoshi to Croc, I also left right after Croc 1's completion, so didn't know too much about the sequels. This was new ground for us, creating a 3D platformer for a brand new (and very powerful for the time) console. Thanks for all the Croc support, Yazoo! :) I'm posting never seen before concept art of Croc on my Instagram and Twitter pages (@ScottButlerAct), if you want to take a look, and appreciate any follows, more concepts to come! Have a wonderful week everyone! - Scott Butler

The visual presentation in your videos is top-notch. The videos as a whole are excellent as well, but I'm always blown away by how slick and polished they look.

Croc needs a Remake

Can you do a complete history on Oddworld

"That felt hollow to me." You know what else felt hollow? Your gameboy games. But no, I actually do love Croc a lot, as a bit of a nostalgia game as it is. Shame that there's no new gen Croc game. Also, people give Nintindo WAY too much credit and not enough criticism. Not purchasing Rare and and pushing Argonaut away was a questionable decision, to say the least.

My friends and I spent vast amounts of time making movies in 3D Movie Maker, many of which I still have copies of. Some seriously great memories in them.

I feel a disturbance in the force. *price of all croc games rise*

"Geee I like Daniel's videos, but I dont really feel motivated enough to go from Guru Larry's channel to his..." *sees a Croc video* "SOLD!!!!"

That Croc 3: Stone of the Gobbos is apparently just a hoax made by someone with too much time on their hands. Other than that, great video as always!.

Holy fuck, this came out on my birthday and I loved croc as a kid

Croc has that vibe of the majority of 3D platformers from around that time to me. I liked them but could never really finish Mario 64 or Croc. I preferred the Crash series. Haha I recently went back to Pac Man World which was a huge part of my childhood, and it didn't hold up to me as well as I'd hoped for the same reason And that ending. It sounds really cold of Nintendo to do. :( Reminds me of all the times Eric Chahi got screwed over by publishers.

Can you do a complete history of TY the Tasmanian Tiger?

I loved the first Croc, I had it on PlayStation. That quote at the end is unbelievable, the bastards! Great video, Dan.

Real talk, that backup animation of him looking over his shoulder and slowly moving back is adorable. I can practically hear him going, "Beep beep beep!"

Just to be correct; Croc 2 was also released for Windows-based PCs. I remember this, 'cause i used to play a lot of the PC demo as a kid.

Tetris Plus, Croc, Spyro, Bushido Blade 2, Soul Blade, Guardians Crusade, Pitfall 3D, Final Fantasy 7, and Resident Evil one and two were some of my first games growing up, either watching my family play it or me. Ahhh I miss my childhood.

Crocs music is so memorable and great. I remember the ice levels pissing me off as a kid lol. Edit: I just noticed the lava in the PS1 doesn't flow like in the saturn version

Amazing! I haven't remembered Croc for at LEAST 10 years. My memory of it totally got overlayed, displaced and split between Yoshi and Spyro! Without this video I doubt I would have ever remember this character! Thx a bunch!

you just hit me right in my fucking child hood like a truck all these suppressed memories of playing this game as a kid is all coming back to me

Hey DJ Slopes, around 13:10 as a few others probably mentioned, Croc 2 had a PC release a few months after the PS1 release in 1999. I actually bought a used copy of the game at a local second hand shop a few years back, and I've played it on Windows 7, 8 and 10 at 1080p resolution with no issues. It'll also recognize most buttons and the left joystick of a Xbox 360 controller since the game uses DInput. Fun fact about Croc 2 is that Argonauts actually reused the engine for it with The Emperor's New Groove Action Game when Disney commissioned them in 2000 so it coincides with the film's theatrical release. That game also plays quite well on modern versions of Windows with little to no issue, and if you look at the executable file's properties by right clicking it it'll even say that the file was originally named 'croc2.exe' and even show some of the copyright info of Croc 2 on it strangely enough.

The best thing about your videos are they are slightly obscure in the sense of the video games you pick! Somehow it's always the video games I grew up playing and loved but have been knocked out of my brain one way or another haha Thanks as always for top notch stuff and bringing some forgotten memories P.s I think you said croc 2 was PlayStation only? I had 1&2 on PC and damn do they look much better and I think 2 had a bit more Leeway with the camera didn't seem to have as much bother but the could just be me 10/10 episode!!

I have so much nostalgia with Croc.... hard to believe it's been nearly 20 years now, although I didn't play it until the end of 99, but even then... it's certainly been a minute or two. Had both games for PlayStation, and I had both of the GameBoy games as well - first GameBoy one was alright, the 2nd one was godawful.... Croc still holds up, for me, played it again a few months back, and I finally got a legit 100% playthrough of it. And that music brings back so many memories.... it has its flaws but it's absolutely one of my favorite games ever.

Argonaut also did the hardware for Starfox which was reused in Yoshi's Island, the SuperFx

Loved this one, Dan. Fantastic work, as always! your editing has been pretty remarkable in the last few SGR episodes, keep it up!

I actually had Croc: Legend of the Gobbos on PS1. I liked it. The atmosphere and music are great.

I don't think it's too repetitive to finish but eh >: P

Great video Daniel! you forgot to mention that some people who worked on Croc founded their own Indie studio and made a Kickstarter for a game called Toybox where they said that if it sells well they'll buy the rights to Croc, but sadly the Kickstarter was a failure and they haven't made any updates since.

Croc, one of the games I remember playing that had weird controls in the boss battles. But looking back on it, that was considered my first platformer in the whole world (not super mario 64). But the music was a killer; Seriously I love the soundtrack of the first game but with the second game, PFFT, I didn't even go any further then that.

This was one of the first console games I've played as a kid, along with the first Red Alert and Resident Evil (so much for ESRB ratings eh). Such a nostalgia trip!

Super Mario 64 is my favorite game of all time. It was the first 3D game I ever saw and it blew my mind. I still haven't played Croc yet, but I plan on picking up a copy for PS1 at some point.

great video as usual, I'd like to see a complete history on Argonaut Games, I think it would make an excellent story

Croc was the reason I wanted an original PlayStation. I remember seeing a demo of it at Funcoland on their wall mounted CRT tvs. I wanted the game immediately. But that was '97 and I was only 15 so I had to wait a few months to save money for it and trade in some stuff. I loved the game though I got annoyed at the camera pretty often. If Croc couldn't hang on the edge of a platform from a misjudged jump, then I would of put it down pretty fast and left it to collect dust. I had problems judging depth on many of the jumps. I hated the swimming too. All in all, I really enjoyed the game. If they made an HD Remake, I'd be on board. Just give us more camera control. Great video! Subbed.

Yet another great series for me, loved these games as a kid. Thank you for making your videos!

Quick question, on average how long do you spend editing these videos? Just curious.

Man you deserve way more subs for such content. Found you from Larry's channel. You've got amazing videos!

I'm so happy people somehow still remember croc

This game brings me the best memories of Christmas. My brother got Croc, and I got Sonic 3D Blast (PC). Any time I hear music from either of these games, it feels like Christmas.

Another great video! I think Rocket Knight Adventures would make a good one.

Honestly one of my favorite channels

Daniel, your videos always makes even worst day a little brighter and warmer. Keep the good work

I remember making little pink gobbo's from play dough when I was little. So learning that they were originally intended to be pink is pretty funny to me. I'm glad someone reviewed this, I don't see anyone even mentioning it.

I grew up with this game on my old computer. Even though I had more experience with Mario 64, Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Tooie, Gex 3, Bomberman Hero and DK64 at the time, I still had a ton of fun with the game. Even with the weird controls. I could probably go back to play it no problem if I ever find my old disc.

I had the saturn version and it was far more than "a little glitchy". In many times you boot the game textures went missing, Croc was headless, and gobbos and enemies were invisible except for their eyes. It was a gamble to boot the game without any issues right from the start.

Ahem, Croc 2 did get a PC release, it wasn't just on the Playstation

you deserve so much more subs. i really enjoy these videos. thank you

Pretty neat stuff, love how informative your videos are. Croc needs more love from the gaming community. btw, the Baron Dante artwork at 7:10 isn't official artwork, I created it a couple of years ago. I don't want credit or anything, just thought I'd give you a heads up.

After playing Crash and Spyro I found Croc harder than those two when I was a kid. I find the challenge of trying to jump without falling worth all the effort. The music reminded me of Tomba; both games have the most memorable scores.

Croc is one of those games that I got on a demo disc and played over and over

I had Croc on the Saturn and the PC. I vaguely remembered it.. It was pretty good at the time! I don't remember those tank controls though.. Seems bizarre nowadays!

Croc: Legend of the Gobbos was the first video game I ever played. I was only little and my dad used to play it and I would help him. I loved that game so much. It was the only game that I properly remember from the play station era with the others being bits and pieces of a Stuart Little game and a toy story game. It really made an impression on maybe three or four year old me and I loved it.

There is a reality out there where the relationship between Argonaut and Nintendo never went sour and they'd still be collaborating on killer games today. That's a reality I'd love to live in :( ah well. Great video mate!

Nice one. Brings back a lot of memories :)

thank you for a good review. I didn't even know this game even existed. and now I am listening to it's ost over and over and over again. ost is damn good as you said. :)

Croc was my first video game! 💚

Hearing the music of Croc really took me back :) I called in sick for 2 days to complete this game lol

I swear I've heard that story of Croc somewhere before.... it was probably from YOU lol. Either way, another fantastic video Dan! Too bad they didn't end up working for Nintendo in the end since Nintendo really needed more titles for the 64. Also, if they really did use a bunch of the code in Star Fox 64 thats pretty... bad business. -_-

There is in fact, a legit reason why Nintendo rejected Argonaut's Yoshi pitch. Super Mario 64 (and possibly Mario Kart 64 as well) was already in development at the time and it would've been a competing product against what Nintendo were already making. In issue 24 of Sega Saturn Magazine (came out in October 1997) on page 63, Jez San actually said himself that the reason why Nintendo rejected Argonaut's offer was because Nintendo said they "had something similar in development." Jez refers to their pitch in this particular magazine as "a dinosaur racing game". It may seem confusing at first when you consider what Jez San had said in 2013 over on Eurogamer's Star Fox article, however something that should be noted is that Jez had actually made some errors on that article over on Eurogamer in regards to the Yoshi pitch. Jez claimed in the Eurogamer article that their Yoshi pitch failed to get greenlighted because "Nintendo had never let an outside company use their characters before, and weren't about to, either." But this is untrue, as they did let other companies use their characters before, as there was the Zelda CDI games, which were created by folks outside of Nintendo. Jez San had also claimed that their 3D Yoshi pitch was actually the first ever 3D platformer in the world, which isn't true, as there was a game called Alpha Waves released in 1990. He also claimed that Miyamoto had apologised to them for not picking up and working with their Yoshi demo, along with also claiming that Miyamoto had thanked them for the idea of a 3D platform game. But again, in issue 24 of Sega Saturn Magazine, Jez San didn't even mention anything about Miyamoto apologising. And, according to the January 1996 issue of Nintendo Power, Miyamoto claimed that he already had the idea to do a 3D Mario game all the way back in 1991 when he was working on the original Star Fox game. Jez San had also made an error in the Retro Gamer issue 154 (April 2016) magazine where he claimed that the original Yoshi's Island was co-developed by HAL Laboratory as well. But the reality is, Yoshi's Island wasn't developed by HAL at all, only Nintendo EAD. In Sega Saturn magazine issue 24 however, Jez San seems to have not made any mistakes and he appears to be more accurate there, I suppose the main reason for this is because it came out in October 1997, which was around the same time Croc itself came out. And why do people think that Nintendo would've made a masterpiece 3D Yoshi platformer if they had picked it up? Why would Nintendo do that when they already have Mario established as their main top-tier platforming mascot already? Judging by what Yoshi's Story, along with all the other Yoshi games that came out after that was like, it can seem obvious that Nintendo have never wanted their Yoshi character and franchise to compete against Mario. All Argonaut showed them was just a basic demo, not a half-finished game, and if Nintendo were to have for some reason picked up Yoshi Racing and scrap what they had already been working on themselves in favour of Argonaut's pitch, Nintendo would've more than likely changed the main character to be Mario instead, considering that he is their main top-tier platforming mascot and making Yoshi the protagonist while not featuring Mario as a protagonist, or even not featuring Mario at all and using the Yoshi IP as the ever Nintendo-themed 3D platformer would just be out of place and a wasted opportunity to make more money since they would be using a weaker IP. It makes much more sense to place Mario as the protagonist for Nintendo's very first true 3D platformer game since he has a stronger history. And as time gone by has shown, Nintendo never needed to make Yoshi a top-tier platforming mascot to compete against Mario, just like the way Insomniac Games, Naughty Dog and Ubisoft never needed to make more top-tier platforming mascots to compete with their Spyro, Crash and Rayman characters. Nintendo have even confirmed themselves before that when they launched the original Yoshi's Island, they considered it an ordinary Mario game. Miyamoto has also said before that he wanted Mario to essentially be the Mickey Mouse of gaming since the beginning, and to be the one evolving with every new development and staying at the lead. It also makes sense for Nintendo to want to keep their first ever true 3D platformer strictly in-house because such a project is very monumental. There are positive things that came about as a result of Nintendo's decision to reject the Yoshi pitch. It created a brand-new franchise that introduced new characters, environments and other new concepts that was also able to be released on more than just one system. The Sega Saturn benefited greatly from this considering that the only 3D platformer that came out for the Saturn was Croc, unless you count Tomb Raider as a platformer as well. It also meant the PC platform got two more 3D platformers as well, which is a good thing because while the PC platform got more 3D platformers than the Saturn did, it still didn't get as many as the PS1 and N64 consoles did. This wouldn't have been the case if Nintendo had picked up Yoshi Racing.

My Grawd! I love Croc, Forgot all about this until I saw the link! Love It!!!

Man, I really like the first Croc game. It puzzles me how I managed to beat it as a kid. The game gets so hard! Panic at Platform Pete's Lair!

Yeah, Croc had so much lost potential and are pretty flawed, but I still love the first two original console games.......gotta give a shout out to the original game's AWESOME motion picture musical scores!!! ..........despite original game's awkward tank controls, it's much more smoother to control with a "Dual Shock Analog" controller!! AWESOME video by the way and thanks for covering this forgotten series!! it really made my day!!^^

I dont know if there would be enough material for you to do a video on but a really unique game I played was Mischief Makers on the N64. its a game I dont see covered often and I feel like it could be interesting to learn more about it. it was Made by Treasure. they were a really awesome development studio so perhaps you could do a history video on them.

I really wished the best for Croc.

Okay, so it wasn't just me. I distinctly remember quitting Croc 1 as a kid toward the end because of the controls and camera. And I had no idea more Croc games besides that one existed.

Croc? More like CRACK! I would sit in school all day waiting to get home so I could come home and play this! The imprecise jumping, sluggish framerate and impossible collision detection made this the MARIO 64 KILLER!

Just now commenting bc I just beat both of these games today & was curious about the history. Agree these games do feel like steering a truck more then playing a game lmao. I found it best to use the D-pad instead of the analog sticks.I was only able to finish both games with level collecting before each level in croc 1 & the infinite lives cheat in croc 2. It was the first video game I ever played so I had to go back and replay but I would have been at it for months if I didn’t hoard lives and use the cheat codes. I think they were really onto something with the first two games but things just felt incomplete. I’d love to see it rereleased with a more complete feel to it

I was obsessed with Croc when i was a kid, it was my first PC game. However some areas on the video shown look now unfamiliar to me. Does someone know if the PC-version was cut in content?

i loved croc. i even finished it it was so awesome and would love to see another one

THANK YOU! I have such a clear memory of playing a game that looked like Croc, but also nothing like it. Now I realize that I must’ve played the game boy game

I remember being desperate for this game to come out. I had a ps1 and had recently played Mario 64 in a local 2nd hand game specialist store. It blew me away and being about 14 or 15 I couldn't afford an N64 Croc looked like it was the answer I then played it and found it to be ok and luckily got the chance to swap my ps1 for an N64 and Mario and I even though I missed a lot of ps1 games until I got another one not too far down the line I didn't regret it. Croc was fun, a solid 3d platform game but in 1997 like many others it wasn't fit to clean Mario's shoes

I was a dual citizen of Nintendo and Sony at the time of Crocs release. I really enjoyed playing through the first level on the demo disc, then after that I knew I wanted to add the game to my collection. I must say though even at the time I remember finding the game as a whole a massive let down in comparison to the likes of Mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie. I guess I was already spoilt with 3D platformers.

Please make a complete history of the Gex franchise. Thank you!

amazing as always, im slightly tempted to try the gbc games now

Have it on Saturn. Good game just camera control issues damn near all 3d platformer had back then. Nice deep cut video!

I am extremely surprised no one has tackled the development history of Kameo: Elements of Power. That and the hidden lore it has (which was a lot of hard work to find too!) gives a very dark implication on the characters in the story.

Huh. I was going through my old computer games a while ago* (like one or two years ago), and found a case containing Croc and Croc 2. I played the first one for a little bit, and it honestly seemed solid besides the issues. Since then, I've always been excited to see this lil gem I own pop up now and then. (I'm going to be fully honest. I was looking for Blue's Clues Counting Carnival. I don't care how old I am; it's time for Blue's Clues.)

i always had the PC version of croc 2 and my cousin had the PC version of the first. i loved these games as a kid and beat both of them once. i also recently rebought the second because the first disk to my second game was too scratchy by this point even though i still have it

When this came out it was that period in time where everyone was obsessed with 3d platforms. This game was good I remember it.

Oh, I thought I found one of the games of my childhood when I saw the intro of Croc 2. But the game I search is more of a puzzle game. Maybe someone can help me find that. The intro of the game is very similar to the one of Croc 2. It's about a green animal finding a message in a bottle and then going to an island to save his friend or so. All I can remember is some puzzles/riddles that you solve by pushing Boxes etc. I played it on Pc at the early 2000s. I would love to find that game. I'm thankful for every idea!!

Thank god for your videos on Larry Bundy's channel, great discovery of this gem!

You should give Monster Rancher some love. The greatest PlayStation hidden gem

@5:19 Is that a Mattel logo next to Nintendo Seal of Quality on the Pal Super Mario World box?

One of my first games and I adore it

The glaring flaws of the first game stood out at the time too when you had games like Crash Bandicoot 1 and Spyro 1. Spyro 1 suffers a bit of the same issues, but unlike Spyro 2, Croc 2 didn't improve enough on the movement and camera at all. I'm split on if I prefer Croc 1 or 2, they both got their strong points and weaknesses, but I think I actually had more fun with 2 than 1.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATE!

Ah, Croc... I have pretty fond memories of this game, although admittedly, they might be a bit rose-tinted! This video actually got me considering doing a Let's Play of it at some stage, so I can finally complete it, seeing as I got pretty far in it, but like you, I never finished it!

Great video, I remember playing the demo of Croc a lot. It's a shame when you go back to things you used to love and see how flawed they are.

Wait, Hal Labs worked on Yoshi's Island with Nintendo? Do you have a source? I couldn't find any information on that.

great video mate

I played this game in Myers as a kid and loved it so much I wanted a play station. Looking back I think I felt those flaws you mention without knowing it. The game was fun, it had an incredibly immersive story but everything was the same with slightly different colours. A bit of repetition is fine but I felt like the game never got easier as you went on somehow, every level was just as irritating and difficult for 7 year old me.

I had Croc 2. I really liked it, but I never got past the first few screens. I don't remember why, but I do know I never saw much of the game.

I remember really wanting to do a video talking about the mobile games because I just thought it was interesting that...well...existed. I never had too much history with Croc. My friend lent me play it and I just couldn't get past the weird tank/car style controls. Maybe it's because I'd played games like Crash 2 and even Glover before Croc, but control wise it felt like a step backwards to me, and I never gave it the proper chance that I should have. I do agree that I think the most interesting thing about Croc is his history as a potential Yoshi game.