Exactly! If it weren’t for John carmack, we wouldn’t have online competitive gaming.

In the same vein, if we didn't have Leo Fender, maybe metal as we know it wouldn't be around.

@@thisguy2973 surely someone would have invented it eventually, dont be naive :p

Using your phone or anything except a guitar cab in room? Yea. It'll sound thin and harsh 🤷

@@J_____C I mean I'm watching this video in my home studio on Adams monitors so 🤷🏼‍♂️

Right? IIRC, late '80s / early '90s most guys talked about having to "find a good Marshall" because the consistency wasn't great, and then you still had to mod the thing. And then the 5150 and Dual Rectifier came along and I forgot all about Marshall.

I would have picked the Soldano SLO 100 before the JCM800 and I gigged for years with a 2204 50W JCM

yeah, the JCM800 has slightly less gain than the og dual rec, and both offer under half the gain that a mark4/5 or 5150 have on tap.

Modded 800s are where the high gain lives. Many people assume the OG and a Mod are the same beast.

Lol I got the Horse American Sound to put through my 15w combo from there... Using one of the 5 guitars I bought from Monoprice as well lol. I've got 3 LP-style, a Retro DLX Plus T-style with Fender pickups and the 335-looking Boardwalk.

After talking with someone, I may pick up the 5w soon. They said it can do sparkly Fender cleans. Is that true?

I am gonna be 100% honest w/ you. I haven't even played it clean. I put the volume and tone knobs at max so even when my guitar's volume knob is at 1 I've got a touch of gain. it gives almost enough gain for Rock. question about your Horse BS pedal. does it have progressively more hiss as you run the voice knob up? like all cheap pedals got some hiss, but this seems excessive. I am thinking of returning and hoping for a better unit to be sent in exchange@@J_____C

I'd be very surprised to see them do multifx unit - the closest they've come is the Plethora and from my discussions with them they seem more interested in offering multiple single effect units than something that does it all. There's probably more money in that too.

From Mesa or eachother?

👾 beep boop Hey buddy you won a dollar, but I need like 8 bucks from you first

Something something hot single in your area is behind you right now-OH SHIT

make you feel good for $5

BTW - not dissing these TC Pedals at all. I actually think the larger pedal format is better - much easier to use with larger knobs, and the pedal graphics display the flavor of the amps they are "cloning." And the price is really great, compared to the Universal Audio pedals.

Orange and Laney would run in parallel to Marshall. Orange started in 1968 as a music shop who made their own amplifiers because they couldn't get any from suppliers - very similar to how Marshall began and I'm sure there were more similarities in terms of available knowledge, parts, and influence. I know Laney got their start after requesting a circuit diagram from Marshall and taking it to a physicist to make changes - improving the design. The Marshall bough of that tree has many parallel lineages and fledgling companies branching off.

@@ScienceofLoud Thanks for the explanation!🤘

​@@ScienceofLoudI love your almost-academic-but-never-boring approach to these.

Reliability and costs, you tend to need more power in a bass therefore more tubes, the ampeg svt has 11 tubes and was a notorious amp for breaking, its not something I've ever needed for bass as you're not cutting through the mis

Bassists primarily play clean. Solid states amps do clean tones easily. When bass players want to use distortion they usually use pedals. Plus, solid state amps are lighter, cheaper, and are less likely to break than tube amps. Plus nobody wants solid states, so they're less likely to get stolen.

There’s no hard rules for this and there are valid reasons to prefer one over the other. It’s really about where the bass fits in the mix of any particular band and as a result maximising headroom for a cleaner might be preferable, so solid state would work better in that situation. If the guitars are thinner, then the bass can have more ‘warmth’, essentially more harmonics lower in the series, which is what soft clipping in valve circuits typically produced and therefore valve amps are ideal in that situation. Genre may push bassists towards one or the other, but again, it’s not like there aren’t bassists famous in any genre who don’t follow convention. Plus it’s not exactly uncommon for bassists to bypass amps altogether and just DI, which is often an entirely solid state signal chain.

@@godzilla964 Meanwhile here I am always interested in old Crates, Ampegs, Sunns, Peaveys, Marshall ValveStates, etc.

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 That's cool.

"this 5150 needs a boost pedal in front of it!" said no one ever

If I have to listen to American pronunciations of Aloo-minum and Sod-er, then everyone can suffer the way central Scotland pronounces the letter J.

​@CSGuitars we get the idea and English isn't your first language

That's entirely intentional. It plays at 16 fps to evoke a more physical stop motion style of animation because the 50fps smooth motion animation just looks...naff

@@ScienceofLoud fair enough, then it’s just different tastes :)

The simple answer is that the amplification performance is tied to the rectifier's ability to supply consistent high voltage to the power valve plates. For the amplifier to amplifier it needs to pull power, the louder it tries to amplify the more power it needs. If the powervalves are already operating around their nominal maximum power then any sudden demand (from say a sudden attack transient on a very hard picked note) will demand more power than perhaps the rectifier can supply. With valve rectification these sudden high power demands can cause a drop in supply voltage which the valve rectifier recovers from slowly. This slow recovering drop in voltage inhibits the maximum volume the amp can achieve for that moment in time. This is referred to as voltage sag, and why many people talk about vintage valve amps being "saggy" or "spongy" in their response. If they are amplifying loud then the rectifier won't be able to keep up with the attack demand, which results in these compression like dips in volume on the beginnings of loud notes. Solid state Rectification reacts and recovers quicker to sudden demand for power, keeping a much more consistent high voltage heading to the power valves. Loud sudden note attacks don't drop the volume of the amp - resulting in a sound which is considered to be 'tighter'. Both are desirable dynamic response characteristics depending on the kind of sound the guitarist is looking to achieve. Also a point of pedantry: Both solid state and valve rectification use diodes. Diode is a device with 2 electrodes which allows current to flow in one direction only. Solid state Rectifiers are diodes constructed from silicon where current flows in solid state. Valve Rectifiers are diodes which operate using thermionic emission in vacuum (where current flows in gaseous state). Mesa/Boogie were not the first to offer this dual rectifier option, but they are the most famous for it.

@@ScienceofLoud Cool, thank you :^) Ya, I know they're both diode based; I shoulda said solid state. Do you know what the performance of germanium diodes vs silicon is in this application? I don't know if any of the manufacturers in the 50's used germanium over valve in rectifiers before silicon took over. (For that matter I know selenium rectifiers were common up to some point, but I don't know if they were still around once amps became common.)

I don't know of any germanium rectifiers in ampifiers - that's not to say they didn't exist though. I'll have to look into that. From what I do know of other 50s and 60s audio tech that utilised Germanium diodes and transistors they were extremely inconsistent and difficult to work with. Results varied drastically from device to device. They are also much more susceptible to temperature changes completely throwing out their performance characteristics and don't handle high voltages as well as silicon - so it may well have been that they just weren't stable enough to make them a viable alternative to valves.

@@ScienceofLoud Right, I didn't think about the temperature sensitivity. Cool, thank you again. Love your videos :^)

​@@ScienceofLoudthe science of loud!

Synergy modules are also multiple times the price of these, and that's before you factor in the amplifier units to run them.

@@ScienceofLoud my bad 😳I just saw these are $149. That’s unbeatable. I just figured they were gonna be $400 like everything else. I run all my Synergy stuff through Two Notes Cab M. I think a preamp-sim-pedal shootout is in order.

the tuner clamped on there didn't seem to help, either

Actually it's Fender Bassmi

I think what truly happened was we switched into a disconnected cable by accident. That's not the noise floor of the pedal, that's what happens when you lick the cable plug while it's connected to an amplifier.

@@ScienceofLoud even so, an on board noise gate would´ve been a killer extra feature for the chugs.

All the pedals have a presence control as a trim pot on the rear panel.

I don't want yet another multifx with a million sub par amp sims on it, and a menu system that's like piloting an aircraft to program the thing. I just want one device that does one sound really well, that can be operated easily, and isn't priced beyond my reach. These fit that perfectly

@@ScienceofLoud Colin (if you are the one replying here), I totally agree about the ease of use that this layout provides, which is why I mentioned the Strymon Iridium (couldn't remember the name in my last comment). For the price of two and a half of these, you get the Iridium, which has the huge benefit of also being an IR loader and has basic reverb built in as well. And listen, I'm not even a huge fan of the Iridium's models. I have several multi-fx with "sub par amp sims" that I think are much better, when paired with a great IR. Some of those same multi-fx also have the IR loader built-in and are barely more than the price of one of these. I'm just saying it feels like they're really leaning on the visual aspect to make you "feel" like you're playing the real thing and that I think they're just a touch overpriced for what they are. That's all. I hope you're not under the impression that this is a criticism of YOU for endorsing the product. I have always thought very highly of your intellectual, humorous, and objective approach to talking about gear. Glad you like the pedals and keep up the great work.

In my area of Scotland j rhymes with i and not with k

14:43 has sounds from each going through the poweramp of the Victory Kraken if you want a reference point

@@ScienceofLoud definitely sounds better there, but still a bit fizzy.

High gain always does when heard in isolation, but that fizz does wonders in a mix. I honestly don't think my valve amps would sound any different.

@@ScienceofLoud my 6505 with a 4x12 in my face would count as isolation. But that's into my ears, not a microphone. Likely what I'm hearing.

Oh yeah, it sounds different in the room to how it does off the mic. Record it down and you'll probably find that fizz was there all along.

14:43 for controlled and planned playing back in my home studio where they all absolutely sound different. I don't do well being put on the spot with a guitar I've never touched before in a room that isn't mine, hearing audio played back through studio monitors and expected to come up with good playing live. But such is the nature of doing videos at Gear Street.

@@ScienceofLoud Fair enough, I know what you mean about being put on the spot. I just thought that as they were dual channel/ boost pedals, you could have shown a bit more crunchy rhythm tones going into solo tones, which surely are their forte, no?

I wasn't really in control of the content on location, TC took the lead on that. Then a whole year goes by and they reach out again a couple of weeks ago with a launch deadline. I had to make the parts I had work on a very limited amount of time. I understand this isn't as detailed a look at these products as you or I would like, but it does enough to get the general point across. There will be plenty of other knob tweaker reviews on KZfaq, this video can afford to be something a little different

@@ScienceofLoud Tbh, I wouldn't have even known of their existence if it hadn't been for this video and I usually like your reviews anyway.