Curator Q&A #8: Ship of Theseus | The Tank Museum
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Күн бұрынIn his latest Q&A, Curator David Willey talks naming tanks; restoration, replicas and rebuild; range wrecks; castellated armour; the FV4005; reliability of the Tiger and more! Find the shop products David mentions here tankmuseumshop.org/collection... SUBSCRIBE to The Tank Museum KZfaq channel: ► / @thetankmuseum
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@tom_forsyth 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a chap I met at the track who had a gorgeous Lotus 11, and being a Lotus fan I was impressed and said "is it an original one?" and he said "well, I think so - you know the problem of course - in 1956 Lotus built 270 of them, but now there's only about 600 left."
@mrfancypanzer549 3 жыл бұрын
Had a teacher who had a Model A Ford he wanted to make a hotrod out of, really all he had that was original was some bits of the frame with the serial number, enough to register it as a Model A. the body was glassfiber and i welded part of the frame myself out of 25mm square tubing.
@twinscrollturbo4410 Жыл бұрын
@@mrfancypanzer549 I had a maths teacher that had a pulsar gtir with the biggest front mount intercooler I have ever seen He would drive off and you could hear his car going whoosh every time he let off the throttle 🤣🤣🤣
@alphonso391 4 жыл бұрын
Shop of Theseus also now known as ‘Trigger’s broom’
@kevinshort3943 4 жыл бұрын
You beat me to it :(
@EmyrDerfel 4 жыл бұрын
People in the USA may also know it as "grandfather's axe", attributed to Washington and Lincoln, but likely even older.
@emilsitka7590 4 жыл бұрын
@@EmyrDerfel I heard it as Thomas Jefferson's axe.
@GARDENER42 4 жыл бұрын
@@emilsitka7590 I heard it as being George Washington's axe (the one he used in the mythical cherry tree incident).
@hal3674really 4 жыл бұрын
In the USA I learned it as a hammer that came over on the Mayflower, It's handle replaced four times and the head twice.
@TheChieftainsHatch 4 жыл бұрын
There is, unfortunately, a common misconception that live / dead track is synonymous to supported/unsupported track. There is no alternate definition of live/dead track to the one which you read out, but the idea of live track being supported and dead track being unsupported has become commonplace and people have come to believe it to be correct despite there being no such engineering definition..
@markedwards158 4 жыл бұрын
So Finn’s on the Gin and who can blame him? Great to see the dynamic duo back in action. I am surprised there are no Tank Museum dog treats in the shop but I have a feeling that will change soon. Chewy tank commander bear is a real start, hours of fun to be had with that. But the best for me was a pint of Tiger Piddle. Sorry Tiger beer from the Piddle brewery. You really are a gem David and such a great asset to the Tank Museum in these dark times. You and Finn Keep up the good work. 👍
@horrovac 4 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest, Finn's the star of these Q&A sessions. I keep looking at him whenever he's in frame.
@Masada1911 4 жыл бұрын
Curator in the thumbnail “I dont always drink tank museum pilsener. But when I do, I wear tank museum slippers”
@dw9102 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Plus, "jolly oh, you're gonna' stick on the gin".
@Oliverdobbins 4 жыл бұрын
These Curator Talks are just the most fantastic bouts of nerdery. Wonderful work! Just love the whole thing about castellated welding, right down to pulling out an actual copy of the Report into German Welding Techniques on Tank Chassis (or whatever that was) and quoting Dr Welding Von Stuttgart (or whatever that guy’s name was) who says, “Nein, we bodged it”. Absolutely the most comprehensive and airtight armchair expert takedown! 😄
@SueBobChicVid 4 жыл бұрын
The ship of Theseus: similar to the farmer who has had the same axe for 50 years. "I've changed the handle 4 times and the head twice but it's still the same axe."
@DrivermanO 4 жыл бұрын
Also Trigger in Fools & Horses with his broom!
@PaulScott_ 4 жыл бұрын
This is quite common in aircraft restoration - there is a WW2 bomber that was recovered from a lake and the museum left one small panel (approx 1 Square foot) of the original aircraft while every other piece of the aircraft was replaced with brand new material. They tell you this during the tour and point to the small panel on the fuselage and it is easy to pick out due to the corrosion pits etc. So the question is then - is the aircraft on display a restoration or a reproduction?
@krautreport202 4 жыл бұрын
Most of the time it is not even a reproduction as the original factory documentation is missing. Most airworthy WW2 Aircraft and a fair amount of tanks I would really consider attempted reconstructions with some original parts.
@thoughtengine 4 жыл бұрын
There was also an Australian sitcom where the protagonists' acquaintance who was always correcting people who called his car a car instead of "The SAAB" was finding parts being stolen from it. The protagonist messes with his head by invoking this trope, saying that someday there will be someone out there driving his car, and he will have a load of parts that he thinks is his car. Impractical as that is.
@viking1236 4 жыл бұрын
HMS Victory was largely 'restored' I the Victorian era, not to mention all the repair of the ship during its working / fighting life. What we know as Stonehenge is a reconstruction from the Victorian era. It's a thing to be accepted if we want to see these wonderful artifacts from the past.
@axeman3d 4 жыл бұрын
I ordered a 40 quid "lego" model and donation after watching last weeks Q&A to show a bit of support. It actually arrived during this Q&A. Timing, eh?
@Christopher-N 4 жыл бұрын
That's like watching Clint (LGR) and Sarah (PushingUpRoses) Let's Play _Organ Trail,_ and having events in the game match up with what they're saying at that moment, as if the game is listening to them.
@davidhanson8826 4 жыл бұрын
Ive watched too much because I can hear David Fletcher when I read the Osprey books the I bought during lockdown. Also just saw Mr Willey on Netflix. Thank you all for providing intellectual content...because...I live in the US.
@Cloudman572 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting- what was the Mr Willey program?
@bencejuhasz6459 4 жыл бұрын
The Osprey books in David Fletcher's voice...Welcome to the club, pal. I had and still has the same 'issue' with the Haines' Rolls Royce Armoured Car book,which both Davids were kind to sign for me.
@dennisdempsey6011 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks again David and I wish you all well, I have been contacted by an American Aircraft Museum to aid in a fund raising drive and I have pointed them to your Tank Chats and your museum store items to give them some ideas of how to raise funds during the lock down.
@CheshireTomcat68 4 жыл бұрын
Thought you'd broken your foot when I first saw the thumbnail. My mum has those slippers!
@topguntopcat 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for reading out my question. Really enjoying your curators talks.
@Hexter555 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are really helping ease the lockdown stress, David is just so listenable and genuinely entertaining. Thanks.
@TheSorub 4 жыл бұрын
On The steam engine part of the conversation , most steam engine now preserved in the uk , dont have their original boilers as these were swapped all the time in their service life, also new parts were added all the time, rebuilding and upgrades were common as they grow older more parts are being replaced in preservation. The most important thing is that they are a true representation of an original loco that is running to day
@LordInter 4 жыл бұрын
also some of those boilers had the habit of going...pop... lol
@GARDENER42 4 жыл бұрын
Then there's Tornado, which to me is a celebration of the engineers who produced the originals (pity we had to have the boiler made in Germany, as there were no UK companies left with the necessary expertise).
@craigwelsh 4 жыл бұрын
@@GARDENER42 British boiler manufacturers do exist amd some new builds are getting British boilers. The thing with Tornado and its German built boiler was its an all welded steel boiler and firebox. Traditionally British boilers had copper fireboxes and rivets so this design was more of a german speciality. Im not sure but it may have made it cheaper too which probably wasnt a bad thing with the funding. Its proved itself well in service and i think they ordered/have another one now for the P2 theyre building
@MrEvolutionable 4 жыл бұрын
That ending was absoulte gold! Thank you for these lovely and informative Q&As.
@charlesflint9048 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully engaging as ever!. Next stop is the tank museum shop!!.
@martinhogg5337 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, love these chats. Keep up the good work.
@lewisjackson7221 4 жыл бұрын
Good plugging of the store! Great videos you've been doing lately, thanks for the content. Went to your shop and bought some stuff, great postage rates and good range of books and model kits
@whiskeytangosierra6 4 жыл бұрын
Ordered 2 books from the Tank Museum Store, from order to delivery, 8 days. That's Bovington to rural Texas. At any time that is darned good sevice.
@ThePzrLdr 4 жыл бұрын
First Q&A I've seen and I love it.
@bencejuhasz6459 4 жыл бұрын
20:57 Thank you for answering my question in such detail. And don't worry about butchering my name, I don't consider it as a capital offense to the nation :D
@RupertBear412 4 жыл бұрын
David, please do a talk on the support arms to tanks eg REME, RAMC, RASC etc - they are an extremely important contribution and people may be interested to understand what and who contributes to a tank being able to fight
@marcuswardle3180 4 жыл бұрын
Yes please, my father joined REME during WWII when it was first formed and did an electrical engineers degree in Kingston College. He used to tell me how when running through Bushey Park there would be loads of Americans in tents there and would be sometimes be passed by loads of staff cars with an impressive load of stars on them. Eisenhower was in Bushey Park for the planning of Overlord. My father was in Normandy on D-Day + 2 and spent a lot time servicing radio's and stuff on tanks, mainly Shermans.
@johnd2058 4 жыл бұрын
Voiced in whichever 'murican accent you find most annoying: "Reaming ramming rascals?"
@ammanche65 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video thank you it is nice to hear sombody talk passionate bout a subject thank u
@loupiscanis9449 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Mr Willey .
@lk_ludikruc8358 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you continue this QnA after the museum opens, I have grown quite fond of this series!
@MrRnipperBrockleBroadcasting 4 жыл бұрын
Blue blistering barnacles, the curator is really Captain Haddock!
@fredygump5578 4 жыл бұрын
Lol. Now that you say it, there is a striking resemblance!
@MrRnipperBrockleBroadcasting 4 жыл бұрын
Yes we’ve seen the cap, now the alcohol, if he turns up with a pipe in a future video or reveals that he’s actually broadcasting from Marlinspike Hall .....
@Tamburahk 4 жыл бұрын
thank you Mr. Willey
@him050 4 жыл бұрын
I bought a Sherman modelling kit from your shop which should be arriving tomorrow! Very excited!
@BADDTV 4 жыл бұрын
Something stays original when a large portion of what gives that vehicle a story and a history remains imagine tiger 131 but its entire Hull is a replica, it looses its wow factor, 131's story is amazing and it still has the scars to show ❤️ love the tank museum, and i will be bringing my dad when we are post covid keep up the good work guys
@pjclark8624 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Mr Willey, great Q&A as ever. DF will be wanting those slippers back after the lockdown !
@smasher6655 9 ай бұрын
Love this guy's content
@SMC01ful 4 жыл бұрын
He's such a charismatic, fun, intelligent guy, Indeed, I love the Tank Museum blokes and he's an absolute star. I imagine he's had a huge role in growing interest concerning the place as well.
@MrMexicanarmy 4 жыл бұрын
I really hope you keep these up after covid. Even one a month with a second patreon only one would be great
@kometkamerat 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent, mate! Love your presentation! :)
@JessWLStuart 4 жыл бұрын
The leaves falling somehow enhanced this video to be as close to tactile as I've experienced in this COVID-19 isolation. Thank you for not re-filming it! Oddly, I really needed this in a video! I felt I was in the woods on a nice day. Also, I never had a problem hearing you. Also, also: I bought the Hanes manuals for the WWI Mark VI tank and the Mary Celeste. The books are excellent quality and very interesting! You should charge more for them ;)
@ModenaAU 4 жыл бұрын
guys, please add timeline bookmarks of the various questions, we dont always have time to watch such a long video, but there may be questions specifically we want to listen too. Bookmarked timelines of specific Qs will be very helpful.
@owenvanvliet7739 4 жыл бұрын
No problem on the range wrecks, just bring the Sherman crab along with you when you go!
@Silverhks 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you looked at the shipping again. I was going to order a collection but the shipping doubled the cost. I have been paring it down.
@N1KH 4 жыл бұрын
I don't have a problem with replicas so long as the museum in question labels it as such so that the visitors know what they are looking at.
@julianwarren9175 2 жыл бұрын
The discussion about Theseus's ship reminds me of Lascaux II in France, where they have completely reconstructed a section of cave with "prehistoric" cave paintings, as the original was getting damaged by CO2 in visitors breath and light.
@cobra5087 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent intro David!! Clap boom bang!
@justian5950 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, and thank you in particular for mentioning the difference between the two editions of the Haynes Tiger manuals - the marketing for them I've seen doesn't make it at all clear that it's the same material in a smaller format rather than a 'proper' second revised edition.
@tharos 4 жыл бұрын
"Ship of Theseus," wow, we Greeks really asked a lot of questions...and then gave no answers. Also thanks for the shipping rate reduction, just received the books I ordered today in Greece and the shipping was very reasonable.
@dmcg8451 4 жыл бұрын
You just defined philosophy - lots of questions, no answers :)
@Zakalwe-01 4 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly interesting and entertaining 😄
@Kvasnikov 4 жыл бұрын
20:52 That's 100% of me reading my notes :D
@GhostDivision 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the answer :)
@theeaselrider4032 4 жыл бұрын
David, you feel free to ramble on about any old thing that crosses your mind that you feel is related to the subject. I will keep watching - it's like hanging out with you in your backyard ( sorry, I think that's "back-garden" in England , isn't it?). I know you've done book reviews, especially of title you sell in the shop, but I am curious about what sort of books you have in your own collection? We get glimpses now & then. How about a short tour through a few of the more interesting or rare titles you own? I know we're all anxious to get the world back working the way it's supposed to, but these informal chats will be something I will miss. Maybe there's a way to continue them on in some way afterwards. Thanks, Great work as always.
@matthewnightingale4585 4 жыл бұрын
You are a star!
@davidbocquelet-dbodesign 4 жыл бұрын
Ah ! Tintin, the Belgian comic legend. Lots of tanks and armoured vehicles typical of the 1930s, notably a famous tank chase in the "Calculus Affair" and interesting parallels of early cold war tensions between fictious Bordures and Syldavians. There will be a subject about that on tank encyclopedia, hopefully this summer...
@LmgWarThunder 4 жыл бұрын
So glad I was able to buy merchandise between the last Q&A and this one. May have to get that tiger book though lol
@sigurdivar4227 4 жыл бұрын
This i really very interesting. Thank you for an interesting discussion. 👍
@donaldreising5411 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the product placement. It led me to buying the Hanes manual for the M4 Sherman (it is in the mail).
@mackfisher4487 4 жыл бұрын
Haven't made it across the pond as yet, and when I do your museum is on my list to visit. If you have a "tank Pub" where one can Argue the merits of different tanks over a pint your museum will go on the top of my list.
@tonyscott4887 4 жыл бұрын
The chat is very informative, but it’s the sales pitch at the end that makes them legendary 🤣
@marcuswardle3180 4 жыл бұрын
In the museum world you either do Preservation or Conservation. Preservation is keeping the object in present state without directly interfering with it i.e.painting over damaged parts. Conservation is where you directly interfere with the object to bring it to its original state. It's always a tricky decision whether you Preserve or Conserve.
@intertr0ns 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you again Curator. Can you explain what are some of the (major) costs of keeping the Tank Museum running? Roughly, how much does restoration work on something like the museum's Valentine tank cost?
@slartybartfarst55 4 жыл бұрын
Was in our Garden earlier Today myself. Should really take the Laptop down there to watch these. For me, these could be 8 Hours long, & I would watch all the way through!
@bruvaasmodai5250 4 жыл бұрын
Oh sweet, the thing I mentioned about replica steam locomotives was picked up on. (not that it was neccesarily my comment that inspired it) A question as old as preservation of anything. To my mind a part produced (or repurposed) for a historical tank for example is not part of a 'new tank' but just as much part of the vehicle, there is not two tanks, but two of the same part of one tank.
@andrewsteele7663 4 жыл бұрын
I tick l" Like" box before I hear David speak, I love the T-shirt in the background, because I have it, now the slippers are on my have list. Cheers.
@iankerridge5720 4 жыл бұрын
As Ever, a Great Tank Museum Video. Please may we do one thing- Have at least one video per year , by Richard Morris after lockdown eases. I know he will be busy, but He is such a Brilliant Advert for The Museum. As Much as the Two Davids, obviously.
@nirfz 4 жыл бұрын
The thing with the copy, recreation or how one want's to call it is, it still makes it possible for us to look at something how it would have been when in use. In the example of the video the "warbird" (a WW2 Plane): not a single part may be from the 40's but still it sounds and moves like it did back then. And that is what people watching such an item are interested to see. For a Museum or a collector, the original is more valuable and interesting, but for people to look at, such copies can be very valuable.
@matthayward7889 4 жыл бұрын
Fin’s on the Gin 😂
@myth-termoth1621 4 жыл бұрын
Your windsock works really well.
@vanvan-oc4nj 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha...cheers, was quite interesting !
@m35benvids87 4 жыл бұрын
Oh good something play at work. I'm sure my coworkers will enjoy it.
@stewartlarking4706 4 жыл бұрын
The Osprey books there are 4 in the Britsh Battle Tanks series. From WW1 up to the modern day.
@GuyChapman 4 жыл бұрын
Pleased to say that Lt. Chapman REME now proudly wears the tank evolution shirt.
@jiversteve 4 жыл бұрын
Triggers broom!
@michaelfirth548 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Q&A sessions as well as the tank chats. Would love to purchase from the online store but can’t afford the postage cost to Australia.
@spikydipple 4 жыл бұрын
You beauty. I like these. Hello again from Australia.
@rrobb9853 4 жыл бұрын
G'day! (the only other phrase I know is 'Flamin galah' which doesn't seem appropriate :-)
@stephen9869 4 жыл бұрын
Who else thought he had a broken foot in the thumbnail? Triggers' broom certainly springs to mind at the start, and as for the blind unexploded ordonance, send in the Flayer! :P
@marksimpson2689 2 жыл бұрын
Love the slippers/sneakers.
@donaldasayers 4 жыл бұрын
This has occurred with some vintage cars, particularly vintage Ferraris, where a car has been so restored that it leaves enough old part for somebody to build another car from those and claim it to be the original. The Museum at Greenwich does not wind Harrison's H4 chronometer or let it run for the same reason, they don't want it to wear out and have to have parts replaced.
@fatturbo7680 4 жыл бұрын
Like the brush that’s had 5 new heads and 3 new shafts hahah 👍
@graham1556 4 жыл бұрын
Bought some beer and a glass on the back of this 👍👍👍
@richardmeyeroff7397 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought of doing a series on the design line of a tank from when and how a need is recognized and a spec started. How it is changed over time then into mockup stage, the changes that are then made, what testing is done to prove out the specs, what changes are made to the specs and the mockups, What testing is done and how that changes the design and then the final work on manufacturing techniques and how that can change design and specs and production.
@HebaruSan 4 жыл бұрын
I guess for a museum, the important thing is that the guests can learn what the items were like and how they were used at the time. The degree to which every piece is 'original' is less important than whether they're authentically done.
@DrDezaro 4 жыл бұрын
I’m amazed about how much emotion you’re investing in this. In the Asset Management world, each coded item should be an Asset in their own right. I think it depends on the specifications (including material specification). The problem is that most remade components would need to be considered replicas as most of the materials from WW2 are no longer manufacturer. So basically, it’s a grey scale of the mass of original parts / (total mass of the vehicle - mass of non-ID “consumable” parts) It only original when 100% is original specification and only a replica when 0% is original specification.
@marcelmustang1 4 жыл бұрын
Dear David, love your video’s. Love your voice and informative talks. I was wondering. Have u ever fired a tankgun yourself, like on a live range? And if so, or if multiple, what was the most impressive gun u ever fired or seen being fired. Kind regards from the Netherlands, Marcel
@Christopher-N 4 жыл бұрын
Based on what I've read, I would say in regard to the *Ship of Theseus pardox:* if an item whether a tank, ship, car, or the _Mona Lisa,_ is restored to its original condition using the appropriate materials and techniques, it should be described as _"conservation reproduction"._ Using a label like this says it's essentially the same as the original restored, but because its construction is a newer copy, it's also a reproduction. This differs from repair, which is an issue for car collectors; whether there's automotive putty under the paint to make it _look_ conserved though it's not, versus if metal was added/replaced where damaged.
@docbill224 4 жыл бұрын
Dead track is also a term used to describe worn out live track sections
@tsarsi1 4 жыл бұрын
sick slippers!
@rrobb9853 4 жыл бұрын
Tintin! There are tanks in a few Tintin stories - The Calculus Affair, and 'Explorers on the Moon' (well, a tracked vehicle). There are also Japanese armoured cars in 'The Blue Lotus'.
@lukum55 4 жыл бұрын
There are also StG 44s, de Havilland Mosquitoes and Type VII U-Boats, fascinating bits of detail in my opinion.
@rrobb9853 4 жыл бұрын
@@lukum55 Good point. I had forgotten the Type VIIc. Humber armoured cars in one of the desert - set stories. Plus, the V2-based Moon rocket...
@RVDfanman1 4 жыл бұрын
46:28 I aspire to be this cool.
@Bluehammer32 4 жыл бұрын
My question would be I'm previous tank chats it was mentioned that the museum would like to expand its Soviet collection. What Soviet tanks would you have on your wishlist?
@mnlivestreaming6713 4 жыл бұрын
Originality is an interesting point - there is a complete infantryman's WW1 uniform in the Australian War Memorial which still has the mud from the battlefield covering it. It was taken off him and preserved as he left the battlefield. Think it was in 1917.
@Zxepher50 4 жыл бұрын
was there a standard on what color tools had to be that were to be mounted on tanks back in WWII? for example were they left just as wood and metal or were they painted the same color/camo as the hull of the tank?
@PrussianElector 4 жыл бұрын
David Willey, I was wondering what has been the great challenge of working in public history as a curator?
@jiversteve 4 жыл бұрын
Finn watching time!
@Sebiesia 4 жыл бұрын
I bought to many many in the Shop 🤣🤣🤣
@watcherzero5256 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever investigated clear coating as preservative for some of the gate guards? For example applying some of the preservative techniques developed for Rat Rods?
@Axquirix 3 жыл бұрын
Can't say with regards to "what is the original" of course, but I believe that creating a replica and protecting the original examples, as was done with the WWI tanks, is the better way to go. Running Tiger 131 to record footage for a film is cool, but keeping 131 out of risk by producing a replica vehicle would be better (and if eh engine sounds different they could always dub over it in post!)
@DrDezaro 4 жыл бұрын
A simple continuous butt joint has no resistant to crack propagation along the weld. The plug and buttress joints aren’t significantly stronger but, they will require multiple hits to peel it open. This would cost more in original manufacture but would be quicker and easier to fix in the field.
@whya2ndaccount 4 жыл бұрын
EOD day out plus a recovery excursion, no doubt all in MOPP-4 post COVID - what could possibly go wrong! :) I suspect the DVDs will be limited to the UK's Zone 2?
@myth-termoth1621 4 жыл бұрын
Have you a flail tank for clearing UXO? ( Not really a serious question, unless there is interesting material available on its practicality.)
@D1ayer 4 жыл бұрын
Any chance you could talk about the difference between german, british, and american gun sights?
@texasdeeslinglead2401 4 жыл бұрын
Hold up , where did you get the tank slippers ? I need .
@Christopher-N 4 жыл бұрын
(10:00) Perhaps you should turn your glass over to keep windswept debris out of it until you're ready for that drink.
@mylojeb4994 4 жыл бұрын
Where did you get those slippers? I need a pair
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