Changing American History - feat. Hannah Stoddard

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3 күн бұрын

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How has American history changed over the last 100 years? Who writes that history, and what narratives do those historical authors adopt?
Is American History built primarily on a Greco-Roman philological chassis, or is Christianity at its core? What role has "covenant" played in the founding of America? How does the Protestant Reformation open the door to democracy?
We also discuss the inextricable connection between liberty and the Doctrine of Christ outlined in the Book of Mormon,
Hannah Stoddard covers these topics with passionate, articulate arguments gained from her research. Hannah is the director of the Joseph Smith Foundation and often speaks about the founding of America.
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@idarmartin6022
@idarmartin6022 Күн бұрын
Hannah Stoddard you are your parent's Daughter. The family is proud of you.
@sandeakilpatrick2386
@sandeakilpatrick2386 2 күн бұрын
Hannah is amazing and I love listening to her. Such a strong, intelligent woman of faith.
@CwicShow
@CwicShow 2 күн бұрын
Agreed!
@stacygodnick3887
@stacygodnick3887 2 күн бұрын
Hannah is a young woman with strength of character and wise beyond her years.
@rconger24
@rconger24 2 күн бұрын
Hannah Stoddard is a great guest to have on. Like a breath of fresh air!
@quarteralien
@quarteralien 2 күн бұрын
8 minutes in and we're talking about restricting access to scriptures. This is exactly what has happened in the last several years with the religion of scientism. Only experts are allowed to see the sacred scientific research and interpret it for the unwashed masses. There are so many parallels to what we're going through now and what every other religious reformation has looked like. Scientism is the new religion.
@kimhaughton3771
@kimhaughton3771 2 күн бұрын
Perfectly said!!!
@davidhawkins5719
@davidhawkins5719 Күн бұрын
Stepping back in time to the old days when only the Priests and Bishops of Rome could read, handle and interpret what the Bible said.
@christinemiller1946
@christinemiller1946 Күн бұрын
​@@davidhawkins5719 Difference being that back then a prophet had a pure heart for God. Today is straight greed and fame.
@Jeanie-nv7lo
@Jeanie-nv7lo Күн бұрын
@@christinemiller1946 - Except - the restriction for people on seeing the bible wasn't in the times of the actual prophets... in prophet's times, their words were communicated in many ways by the saints. The control of religious text happened when the sat-an-ic world order took over the label of "christianity" and killed all the true believers.
@jamesmaxwell9289
@jamesmaxwell9289 Күн бұрын
@@Jeanie-nv7lo Mystery Babylon, Mother of Harlots is becoming less and less of a mystery.
@violetangelflame1
@violetangelflame1 2 күн бұрын
I agree with Hannah, we need to link Liberty with all the Scriptures we have. Liberty/agency is the main issue in the plan of salvation.
@billboswell6036
@billboswell6036 2 күн бұрын
Oh, boy! I really appreciate her explanation of how the writing of history has changed over the past century or so. And, yes, her explanation makes perfect sense to me.
@jan9050
@jan9050 2 күн бұрын
The BEST Episode I have ever watched on this channel.
@JarvieDigital
@JarvieDigital 2 күн бұрын
Love seeing Hannah on different podcasts. Shes getting better with the more experience she is getting.
@dominickbiggs7462
@dominickbiggs7462 2 күн бұрын
In a world of wannabe top dogs, choose to be an underdog for the Lord.
@rosemarypalikaboothby9829
@rosemarypalikaboothby9829 2 күн бұрын
Fantastic discussions Greg and Hannah. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@crazyaboutcards
@crazyaboutcards 2 күн бұрын
👏👏👏
@CwicShow
@CwicShow 2 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@markpatterson4881
@markpatterson4881 Күн бұрын
Hannah is the best!! I’m a huge fan!!
@gingers5392
@gingers5392 2 күн бұрын
Amazing discussion! Thanks, Greg and Hannah!! ❤
@denisemilne1330
@denisemilne1330 Күн бұрын
I too first came across Hannah on the Hello saints summit. I was so impressed with her knowledge, passion for history, and love of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Thanks, Greg for having her on your podcast.
@jamesmaxwell9289
@jamesmaxwell9289 Күн бұрын
Amen and Amen
@friendsinthefold
@friendsinthefold Күн бұрын
She is inspiring on a multitude of topics.
@barbarastrate8388
@barbarastrate8388 2 күн бұрын
Only got a minute into the discussion and would like to add that it really needs to go back further, to the ancient Israelites. That is where the foundational doctrines were laid Cleon skousen does an excellent job in teaching the correlation between ancient Israel and America's founding. But i agree, Hannah and her work are a great source for truth!!!!
@mrmod123
@mrmod123 2 күн бұрын
MORE PLEASE!!! Love both of you!!! ❤️
@crazyaboutcards
@crazyaboutcards 2 күн бұрын
Yes!!!!!! More collabs with Hannah!!!!
@lorigraves7852
@lorigraves7852 Күн бұрын
What an insightful conversation. A big thanks to both of you!❤️❤️❤️
@bryantaylor8848
@bryantaylor8848 Күн бұрын
I appreciate every aspect of your conversation today! A wonderful summation and more of my thoughts on these topics. I could not agree with you more. All of it is important and worthy of more personal study and group discussion. Thanks! I already follow both of you.
@carlatamanczyk3891
@carlatamanczyk3891 2 күн бұрын
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Benjamin Franklin
@janadkins-pont3465
@janadkins-pont3465 Күн бұрын
Yes, precisely why the Prussian education model was championed by the likes of progressives US Secretary of State Horace Mann , Elwood Cubberly, with a dose of Darwinism, education reformer John W. Dewey, and yes FDR himself established compulsory institutionalized public education. The 6 tenets of the Prussian model was to essentially produce a marginally informed - and malleable factory work force - NOT an informed citizenry, but a compliant and obedient - dumbed down people. and get this- we were knowingly and intentionally fed a boring and tedious cognitive diet of dates and events - with very little context or interest woven into it. There was no mistake - "The Academics again, knew what they were doing" See what John Taylor Gatto has to say about it.
@daleclark7127
@daleclark7127 Күн бұрын
Loved the take on the RLDS connection to the issues with history. Glad to see this called out since it appears many are beginning to adopt these ideas that actually are antithetical to the Gospel and what Joseph restored.
@user-hb3cj2fi9x
@user-hb3cj2fi9x 2 күн бұрын
The Truth Shall Set You Free!
@sot-daddy8559
@sot-daddy8559 Күн бұрын
Fascinating. I like learning. I like learning from the faithful even more. God bless.
@the5throse
@the5throse 2 күн бұрын
I loved this podcast, I’ll share it with as many people as I can. Thank you for all that you do, I pray for your continued success!
@RLDRemembrance
@RLDRemembrance Күн бұрын
I love her so much!!! And you both!! Thank you so much for this video and all my love your way!
@celindahearld1328
@celindahearld1328 2 күн бұрын
Also if people would read the federalist papers, we learn more of who our Founding were. I love the Federalist papers and also Cati's letters i find are even more telling.
@jenniferzapata5698
@jenniferzapata5698 2 күн бұрын
Do you mean Cato?
@sherriedix5837
@sherriedix5837 Күн бұрын
I love this episode❤
@kimberlyolsen9416
@kimberlyolsen9416 Күн бұрын
Amen Hannah and Greg! Amen!
@frederikatenhoopen6112
@frederikatenhoopen6112 2 күн бұрын
Satan cant get rid of Christ but he has proven that he can get man to get rid of Christ! Satan has entered the desenters! We don’t make covenants with God… He makes the covenant and we obey his covenant. I believe wokism is the philosophies of men!
@bryanhaycock672
@bryanhaycock672 2 күн бұрын
Dissenters always seek emancipation from judgment. Liberty and accountability can’t be separated, thus, liberty must be reduced. Christ is the righteous judge. He is the law giver. Thus, to be free from judgement you must be free from the law; free from Christ. Dissenters seek to be a law unto themselves, and their own judge.
@jamesmaxwell9289
@jamesmaxwell9289 Күн бұрын
Wow! Excellent video! Right up my ally of research and interest. I will be searching for more of such from the both of you. Thank you so much.
@cindyhills5593
@cindyhills5593 Күн бұрын
Excellent! Thank you!
@user-qz8ki9pe4u
@user-qz8ki9pe4u Күн бұрын
I love this episode!! Love it ❤.
@user-jh3vq9fk5u
@user-jh3vq9fk5u 2 күн бұрын
So enlightening!! So glad Hannah moved on from rough stone rolling issues.😊
@user-qz8ki9pe4u
@user-qz8ki9pe4u Күн бұрын
I would love Hannah to come speak to my stake young adult/ youth! She’s amazing 😊
@chadpearson1572
@chadpearson1572 2 күн бұрын
Loved this!
@ColemanOutdoors
@ColemanOutdoors Күн бұрын
She's amazing!!!
@hollyswain5276
@hollyswain5276 7 сағат бұрын
You hit the nail on the head with this one! Great job! Thank you! We need more simple truths like this!
@user-gn8ol9hg2u
@user-gn8ol9hg2u Күн бұрын
What a great woman!
@DavidParrishSly
@DavidParrishSly 13 сағат бұрын
Excellent
@skyleen
@skyleen 2 күн бұрын
YES, YES, and YES
@jenniferzapata5698
@jenniferzapata5698 2 күн бұрын
I read a book about by the three enlightenments, the French, the Scottish, and the American, which clears up the confusion.
@andrewwood6285
@andrewwood6285 Күн бұрын
Name? Author?
@lindenwinn5363
@lindenwinn5363 Күн бұрын
@jenniferzapata5698 yes, what book? Please share!!!
@oldgranny410
@oldgranny410 20 сағат бұрын
The Gospel being about liberty also ties in to the flood being because of the loss of free agency as several prophets have said that the problem with the days of Noah was that it would not be right for children to be born into a world where they would not be able to choose right from wrong.
@johnmtconnolly
@johnmtconnolly Күн бұрын
"What is he going after ultimately?". Fantastic question! No Temple, and the most we can hope for is the Terrestrial Kingdom, which President Oaks has taught us like the popular conception of Heaven!
@gefil8781
@gefil8781 Күн бұрын
Regarding how George Washigton could have been king of the US, research the Newburgh Conspiracy, in which his officers were disillusioned with the Confederation Congress and tried to get Washington to take over and be king. Of course, he refused. A good video that describes this is "George Washington; The Man Who Wouldn't Be King" by David McCullough.
@bryanbaird4646
@bryanbaird4646 2 күн бұрын
LOVE Hannah and her work. Hadn't made the RLDS "connection" before! Good catch! lol
@dcarts5616
@dcarts5616 Күн бұрын
The temple is absolutely the target. The gqblt and coming soon p issues are the strings being used the most and are linked to the polygamy issues, location issues and they all culminate to subvert temples and priesthood, but most importantly God. I wish Hannah could have talked more, it’s always a pleasure to have her on these channels I watch and watching her punch up at these very popular and very convincing detractors.
@lindenwinn5363
@lindenwinn5363 Күн бұрын
Thank you Greg and Hannah!!!!!!! What a great discussion, so full of good things. What is the book you are working on, how soon will it be out?
@CwicShow
@CwicShow Күн бұрын
Working title is "The Interpreters" It will be out later this fall.
@user-qz8ki9pe4u
@user-qz8ki9pe4u Күн бұрын
Yes, we are to HELP those who are being persecuted. But not allow those who are coming in armed to harm us, there is a difference. May our country wake up and again worship our Father in Heaven, worship Jesus Christ! 🙏
@johnkay8388
@johnkay8388 6 сағат бұрын
@cwicmedia Greg there is a 4th thing that has come from the RLDS church and that is women in the priesthood. There may be more but that is a pretty big one also.
@lindenwinn5363
@lindenwinn5363 Күн бұрын
Thank you for this comment!
@DerekPayne1791
@DerekPayne1791 2 күн бұрын
When I see that Hezekiah claims that God ordered the annihilation of the Amalekites, I tend to think our understanding of them has been Deuteronomized.
@frederikatenhoopen6112
@frederikatenhoopen6112 2 күн бұрын
Satan cant get rid of Christ but he has proven that he can get man to get rid of Christ! Satan has entered into the desenters! Satan knows the end… therefore….
@denisefrandsen5106
@denisefrandsen5106 Күн бұрын
What are you talking about the Meso American model comes from the RLDS? Hugh Nibley and so many other prominent LDS preached this.
@windwanderer1
@windwanderer1 Күн бұрын
I’m reading a great book right now about the Abrahamic Covenant called God Will Prevail by Kerry Muhlestein.
@janadkins-pont3465
@janadkins-pont3465 22 сағат бұрын
He just did a talk "Hearing Him by Consecrating Our Thoughts" at Ensign College ( formerly LDS Business College) and the talk was superb -never heard. of Elder Muhlestein before then - I hope to hear much more of him.
@vonsowards1297
@vonsowards1297 2 күн бұрын
57:49 I would love to have more discussion/podcast on this topic. I feel like there has been a lot more discourse around giving the other restorationiat groups more credential with almost this “victimhood” mentality around it. But at the same time, I never hear about (not to say that it never happens) “prog-mos” leaving our church and joining the more “progressive” Community of Christ (or any other established branches. Maybe they will start their own).
@crazyaboutcards
@crazyaboutcards 2 күн бұрын
Agree!!! Let's explore that more!!!
@violetangelflame1
@violetangelflame1 2 күн бұрын
Sadly I a family I know who left the church and would go to another restoration church if one was near. They are deceived to think a evangelical church near by will accept them and allow them to continue to follow Joseph Smith and The Book of Mormon. Yes they will add long as they believe they can eventually turn you away from Joseph and the Book of Mormon. This family sees the church as going to far in accepting the LGBT agenda. I dunt see the 15 men accepting this but so many individual bishops are.
@violetangelflame1
@violetangelflame1 2 күн бұрын
If the 15 men ever denounce the proclamation to the family I'll have to add and have a serious conversation with Heavenly Father about the church then.
@crazyaboutcards
@crazyaboutcards Күн бұрын
@violetangelflame1 They can not go against God's eternal law.
@Jeanie-nv7lo
@Jeanie-nv7lo Күн бұрын
Sifting is happening. Tests are happening. You can put all these triggering scenarios that church members are being upset by in the same context.. they are tests for them personally. The First Presidency would never go against Gods law, but what the corporate side of the church has done recently has nothing to do with eternal doctrine and more to do with walking a fine line of casting the net as wide as possible so that NO ONE can say to the Lord they were not invited to come unto him. Obviously there is also political machinations - the church has to walk on egg shells in this new world babylonian order we live in. If people want to be offended by this and leave the tree, they are failing the test.
@IntoAllTruth.
@IntoAllTruth. 2 күн бұрын
The ancient Catholic church only wanted the Priesthood to have and interpret the Scripture because they were zealous to keep the doctrine "pure", based on a misunderstanding of the verse that says that Scripture is not for private interpretation.
@christinemiller1946
@christinemiller1946 Күн бұрын
Well, they failed miserably and started worshipping satan instead. Serpents
@andrewwood6285
@andrewwood6285 Күн бұрын
I lived in the Philippines in 1967-8 and the Catholic Church there still had Mass in Latin, which no one but the Priests could speak read and write.
@Jeanie-nv7lo
@Jeanie-nv7lo Күн бұрын
You have such an empathetic view of a narcissistic organisation. They never had good intentions, sorry.
@DougDeYoung-gt4id
@DougDeYoung-gt4id Күн бұрын
Before the mormons dunked me but after the Lutherans sprinkled me I remember playing outside a Catholic church and I listened to the service. It was in Latin and I remember thinking I wonder how many people in there understood what they were saying. As a little kid I found it very strange that people would go and listen to something they don't understand. My next encounter with holy water will be Greek orthodox.
@shireecox122
@shireecox122 2 күн бұрын
The picture of this video is hilarious
@Sayheybrother8
@Sayheybrother8 2 күн бұрын
This’ll be interesting
@juancholo7502
@juancholo7502 Күн бұрын
Everyone seems to forget after the War between the States, that the English settlements began in 1607 in Virginia. It was based on English Common law. It was New England that was full of the Religious based settlements. Before people brush off Virginia, remember MANY of the founders came from Virginia. I bring this up because the early American Progressives that morphed into the modern Woke movement came from New England Churches. That is why many elected Republicans seem like left wingers using the brakes, because they are descended from 19th century Progressives. The Conservatives got crushed & the Democrats became infiltrated & flipped by the Marxists. I have always been told that the Constitution was an inspired document, well remember much of it came from Virginians, not Pilgrims. Virginia had its own religious based influences. Maybe I a just shouting at the wind, the early LDS church was based out of New York & Ohio & they were closer to New England which preferred Centralized government than Virginia which was home to Decentralized Federal government.
@lindenwinn5363
@lindenwinn5363 Күн бұрын
@juancholo7502 thank you for this comment!
@ClintRay2578
@ClintRay2578 2 күн бұрын
Of course history is written one way. My problem is when history changes after so many years of it happening that's the problem. For example the JFK assassination. How did that change in 2023?
@lindanelson1495
@lindanelson1495 5 сағат бұрын
…to liberate the captive!!!
@MissionaryScottishWarrior
@MissionaryScottishWarrior Күн бұрын
Book of Tephi address this stuff
@carsonhawkes
@carsonhawkes Күн бұрын
Doesn't king noah and the priests explicitly say they'll let him go not if he denies the christ and his blasphemy but the "mean things" he said of them? That indicates to me that's what they took issue with and the blasphemy charges were their way of getting him...if my kid is kidnapped in my car and I have him arrested for kidnapping but instead of making a plea deal for the whereabouts of my child i instead say we'll let him go if i get my car back I feel like you'd be hard pressed to claim the reason I got him arrested was for my kid. (While technically true it was a means to the greater end of my car not my kid)
@anonymouslife3777
@anonymouslife3777 Күн бұрын
Just wait until you learn about the real history of ww2...
@TroyLeavitt
@TroyLeavitt 2 күн бұрын
Jefferson was a Christian only in the same way that Richard Dawkins is a Christian. Jefferson recognized value in some of the moral teachings of Jesus, but he rejected Jesus's divinity and his purported miracles. Jefferson was considered an atheist by many in his time, so much so that his lack of standard religious faith was a major contention point in the election of 1800 where the main anti-Jefferson point of the Federalist party was that Jefferson was a radical atheist who would lead the US into a new French Revolution. For example, during the 1800 presidential campaign, the New England Palladium wrote, ""Should the infidel Jefferson be elected to the Presidency, the seal of death is that moment set on our holy religion, our churches will be prostrated, and some infamous 'prostitute', under the title of goddess of reason, will preside in the sanctuaries now devoted to the worship of the most High." Jefferson is also well known for his push to separate Church and State. The "Wall of Separation" was his project that began in Virginia and carried through to the Presidency. As Jefferson wrote in 1802, "religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
@reppi8742
@reppi8742 2 күн бұрын
You are actually quoting the media on Jefferson? What did the media of the day say about Joseph Smith? Have you read any of Jefferson's writings yourself? I have. He had faith. We are still told as LDS that we are not Christian.
@violetangelflame1
@violetangelflame1 2 күн бұрын
So true!
@rconger24
@rconger24 2 күн бұрын
David Barton has read _everything_ about Thos Jefferson and he would disagree with your claim which is _inaccurate_ at best.
@TroyLeavitt
@TroyLeavitt Күн бұрын
@@reppi8742 Do you mean works like Jefferson's "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth" - also known as "The Jefferson Bible"? In Jefferson's view, Jesus was not a divine being, but rather a moral teacher whose followers post-humously added in the miracles and mysticism.
@janadkins-pont3465
@janadkins-pont3465 21 сағат бұрын
Say what you will. But, like my burning testimony of the Restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ and Jos. Smith - On a clear cold winter's day just before "J 6" , I stood alone bathed in the light of the miracle of Thomas Jefferson in the in his scaffolded memorial . Only two other people including my husband were in that domed monument - the other was an immigrant from I would guess some eastern nation and his awe struck gaze rested upon Jefferson's statue, as did mine. Surrounding us on the walls were the man's heart as reflected in his immortal words - While then Lincoln memorial is flooded by visitors as a "must see" on a bucket list, I alone bathed in the light of Christ in that sacred homage to the man who is, as much of as miracle for this nation as George Washington and perhaps even The Prophet Joseph Smith.
@nonrepublicrat
@nonrepublicrat Күн бұрын
No such thing as a "Christain Nation" as long as most "Christains" believe in the "Trinity" which does not exist any more than Walker, Texas Ranger or Batman exist. To be a real Christian you must believe in Christ as he actually is. Just getting the name right doesn't mean much.
@christinemiller1946
@christinemiller1946 Күн бұрын
Ewwww
@dhr161
@dhr161 2 күн бұрын
Overall good discussion. However I disagree with Greg's comment about the reason those in Jerusalem tried to kill Lehi (saying it wasn't because he told them to repent but because the prophecy of Christ was blasphemy to them). That's contrary to the account. Go back and read 1 Nephi 1:18-20 and 1 Nephi 2:13), which clearly show that his testimony about their wickedness and the impending destruction of Jerusalem were things that they didn't believe and angered them. The messiah testimony is mentioned there but it never says the Jews called that blasphemy. That's made up.
@CwicShow
@CwicShow 2 күн бұрын
No, that’s not made up. That was the environment in Jerusalem. Lehi has the vision of the king on the Throne in 1 Nephi 1 and 1 Nephi 1 states, “19 And it came to pass that the Jews did mock him because of the things which he testified of them; for he truly testified of their wickedness and their abominations; and he testified that THE THINGS WHICH HE SAW and heard, and also the things which he read in the book, MANIFESTED PLAINLY OF THE COMING OF A MESSIAH, AND ALSO THE REDEMPTION OF THE WORLD. 20 And when the Jews heard these things they were angry with him; yea, EVEN AS WItH THE PROPHETS OF OLD, whom they had cast out, and stoned, and slain; and they also sought his life, that they might take it away. But behold, I, Nephi, will show unto you that the tender mercies of the Lord are over all those whom he hath chosen, because of their faith, to make them mighty even unto the power of deliverance. Throughout the Book of Mormon and in the New Testament, we are told that they killed the prophets because they testified of Christ. This is the entire theme of the Book of Mormon, and it is the reason Lehi had to leave and the reason the Book of Mormon was launched. It is important that we see this. The Deuteronimists, the ruling party at the time, removed the doctrine of Christ from their theology. Lehi was fighting against this. Laman and Lemuel carry on the new traditions of the Deuteronomists. Lehi and Nephi rebel against Jerusalem’s new religion as “Visionary men”. Those that follow the prophet Isaiah’s focus on Christ.
@dhr161
@dhr161 2 күн бұрын
@@CwicShow Have you considered that your "anti- Deuteronomist" angle is just another head in the critical theory hydra, using new subversive terms and victim/hero narrative to decontruct and undermine faith in parts of the Old Testament?
@andrewwood6285
@andrewwood6285 Күн бұрын
@@CwicShowthanks for the lengthy response- I learned something.
@GldnClaw
@GldnClaw Күн бұрын
@@andrewwood6285 Humility via KZfaq comments? That's like screencap-worthy.
@Freedom-zf4gg
@Freedom-zf4gg Күн бұрын
Sorry guys, I dedicated 25 yrs of research in all the Americas searching for evidences of the peoples that are in the Book of Mormon. What I found leads greatly to Meso America, including Joseph's own publications on more than one occasion, stating such. Even the Church has recently acknowledged these writings as very most likely coming from Joseph himself. These facts cannot be denied. The boundaries of America today,we're not here then, so America plays a role, but a secondary role and not a primary role. My book will disclose all of this. The purpose is to simply fortify testimonies gained through faith
@Jeanie-nv7lo
@Jeanie-nv7lo Күн бұрын
Sorry, but you are being disingenuous and vague with your explanation. There are only 2 articles from church history that M2C people claim Joseph Smith said - that has been addressed and debunked over and over. If there are more writings from Joseph... what are you talking about. People who believe in the meso model are losing their control of the narrative - all I can see is they don't like losing that control - there is no new evidence that they claim... and all of their evidence they have shown does not stack up.
@GldnClaw
@GldnClaw Күн бұрын
Fake and Gay. Proofs or it didn't happen.
@johnkay8388
@johnkay8388 6 сағат бұрын
The evidences for what is being found in North America proper is more convincing and aligns with the teachings of the Book of Mormon. If you think the land of Liberty is Mexico then you're free to move down there and start the movement to get all nations to flow unto it so that it will be a land of liberty for them.
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