most show the result in daylight when you need to peer into each pixel to notice the difference

Almost half of the frames drop with PT. But for what? Just that the game looks 5% better? Even with this monster card you still need DLSS to keep it playable. Absolutely pathetic. This is a shooter and fast paced game. Anyone who has time to judge shadows and borders on hair and corners is doing something wrong. I'm playing the game on 4k Ultra without DLSS with frames around 60-70fps.

@@Alex-us3pz well, I like it better with the new ray tracing, but it's raw in the sense that the picture is too grainy, and you have to wait until the light becomes perfect, otherwise my 4070 is enough for me to play without feeling any lags. Well, I often just drive around the city in search of activities, and just watch the beauties, I agree that maybe it’s not worth the performance costs, but why not if there is an opportunity. Also, with the usual tracing game gets better, and not only on 5%

​@@Alex-us3pz 5% better? I'm not a fan of ray tracing because if you don't have a top tier GPU you're unable to run it, and even when you have a beast GPU like RTX 3090 or 4090 the game is barely playable, but in this case the game almost looks like a new gen game with path tracing, that's why most games should implement path tracing instead of normal ray tracing, the difference is huge, the ray tracing had a colossal hype because of Nvidia propaganda when the most part of the advertisement they made was made using path tracing instead of ray tracing, that's why when ray tracing became to games everyone got disappointed by it.

@@emonlevircni4617 its okay. I accept your opinion and can Understand it. But I only can see a difference in direct comparison. And yes, its a big difference. But i guess, other people cant see any difference without direct comparison playing it in 4k ultra and PT with DLSS.

yeah it can be pretty cool! thanks for checkin it out

When u don't know what path tracing is you don't find the places where the light actually makes the game looks totally different.

@@8O0Aa.1q3S0. this is also true haha

Path tracing completely overhauls the look of the game in literally any location in the game. It's blindingly beautiful with wide skyline shots of the city actually.

@@selloutsanders5774 it's blurry.

Way too contrasted and then flattened in other areas. For example, the poster was completely flat. The scene in the tunnel the road was completely blackened. The guy at the counter became dark and fuzzy.

ambien occlusion and Global ilumination

I don't think is worse, most of the time is better

@@WeisserAllan I was referring to the non-path-traced non-'overdrive' 'classic' raytracing that CP2077 has, the original raytracing that's been in there for a long time. The reason it looks worse is because it doesn't include any kind of ambient occlusion whereas the non-RT pure-rasterization mode uses the cheap screen-space ambient occlusion, which looks better than zero AO. The path-tracing doesn't need any screen-space AO because it's actually calculating AO properly, in world-space, against all illumination sources in a scene. But between the rasterized and original/classic RT modes, the lack of any kind of ambient occlusion on there leaves a lot of things looking like they're floating when compared to pure rasterization. The new path-traced mode certainly looks better than both the rasterized and classic RT modes.

@@CharlesVanNoland and I was referring to the classic RT mode, for me it looks better, specifically in psycho. Refles and lights are waaay better

thank you really appreciate it!

Thank you I really appreciate that!

Agreed, I have to learn how to zoom to a different area while having 3 images up... There are a lot of clips like that, I'll figure it out eventutally! Thanks for the comment and checkin the vid

bro i gotta 4090 and this shit tanks ure fps like ive never seen

@@Productive_Chad use DF optimised settings + DLSS + FG + RT OD. You're gonna have a blast

OLED is a must!

@@eightleafgaming and a 4090 too or the GI calculations take quite a bit, making the image look very blurry. I play with a 4070, and on Overdrive mode, all the characters looked super cartoony and some of the reflections were glittering and wobbling all over the place.

​@@MrSheduurlooks fine on my 4080

thanks I appreciate it!

thank you!

haha it is funny they're switching. looking forward to UE5!

It's possible that they are just using UE5 for their next game while continuing to develop their own proprietary engine and work out the kinks they've discovered developing Cyberpunk 2077. It's kind of like SquareEnix using UE4 to develop FF7 remake but still developing their own engine as well.

They'll only use what they've learned to create something 2x as impressive with UE5. Remember, they're working closely with Nvidia *and* Epic.

@@selloutsanders5774 Epic seems to be working towards more of a software solution to raytraced lighting solutions that don't require a hardware enabled graphics card to simulate.

Getting this engine to be competitive with UE5 and then UE6 at some point will become more and more difficult with huge ambitious games like this. I personally would rather have a more polished and maybe even sooner launch if that's what UE can provide. Expectations are always rising and outsourcing the ever growing technical department to another company which specializes at it makes sense.

What resolution is this?

@@0BRAN0 4K

Same, pretty surprised how much it adds to immersion!

yeah funny to see it's a little hybrid!

It's also because it already had some of the best RT implementations around, so improvement of overdrive can be subtle at times vs the regular RT modes.

😎

The lack of any fake ambient light mixed with every light casting "real" light is a breath of fresh air!

Absolutely. I will buy a 2000$ graphics card, using DLSS to keep the game playable with Path Tracing, just to see the street no more 🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣

Agreed, been playing it a ton and it adds a lot

ur drunk and have a AMD card

Thanks! I’ll do it

From 2077 to be specific

In CPU draw haha, it makes up for it with higher GPU power

I've noticed the dynamic range seems to shrink a lot too. when you're in dark areas and look into the light, the light is super over exposed

@@eightleafgaming could be easily fixed with post processing tho right?

@@eightleafgamingdo you play on an HDR display?

@@Dionyzos I do yeah, but I play in SDR to record. HDR didn't help as much as I thought it would

Yep exactly!

haha cracked me up too.

good question!

I think most of those voxel fog systems are removed in OD.

I have a 3080ti and I can’t play with OD I beat the game on max setting with RT had to use DLSS on quality. I could use performance mode but I don’t really like to use that.

Hi, I saw video someone playing Cyberpunk OD on RT 3060 with reduced graphic and very solid framerates. No idea if it was acceptable only becouse of YT compresion. I was definately supriced to see it running 45FPS+. True it was day time in car thus less demanding part of the game

haha yeah that's how I see it! Its not great even with a 4090 so don't feel bad haha. half those frames are generated! huge subaru fan! been driving them my whole life :)

I'd check out Metro Exodus: Enhanced edition. They have a very similar method to lighting by path-tracing their light simulation, it'd run splendidly on your 3060 and you can expect visual quality similar to this. It's a great game to boot.

​@@CMWeber88 DLSS is often better than native, due to superior sharpening yielding more details at distance.

she's addicted

yes! loved that one

haha thanks! Would you prefer it gone completely, smaller, or just with no black box?

Washing out happens because the ultra expensive calculations arent done every pixel, hence the denoise algorithms working to rebuild the image sewing the calculated pixels together. The true occlusion it brings is pretty amazing, but im not sold on the noisy results, means horsepower is not here yet.

Sending it back smh

Not going to happen. R7 3700 + Radeon 6600 XT(consoles hardware) would't provide even 20 fps@1080p FSR on.

@@Unreal-Noob Consoles are actually weaker than that, you have to remember they arrive outdated, the PS5 uses technology from 2019, which means it's GPU is roughly the equivalent of a RTX 2070 (if not weaker). The fact they can run games at super sampled 4k with basic ray tracing at 30fps, that is impressive considering how shitty and badly optimized this "nextgen" is looking thus far

@@RRRRRRRRR33 The PS5 is equivalent to RTX 3070 without DLSS, but with FSR 3 it will be a game changer that will double the number of fps and will allow to use more visual effects, not as good as path tracing but better than today for sure

@@oceanedetotes Naah, the PS5 was built/conceptualized before the 3070 was a thing, they were released in the same time period, but the PS5 has a 2070 at best. It's always like this in the PC market, the scheduled obsolescence: the PS4 had the equivalent of a GTX 750, it was really weak, however, if you want to play God of War or Horizon Zero Dawn in 1080p at "original" settings you need a GTX 1060, the PC is always deprecated by force, the market forces us to buy current hardware to play software from 2 years ago (3, 4 years, etc.. and so on). I assumed the RTX 6700 XT would be enough to sustain this PS5 generation, but looking at the state of the market (even that Star Wars Jedi game arrived busted with optimization problems) maybe the industry want us to buy a even stronger hardware... imagine that? You will need the equivalent of a RTX 5070 to play games who were originally designed to run on a RTX 2070, lol that's preposterous

Keep dreaming. First RT on console is not RT, second, they can't even manage native 4k...third, no serious upscale tech like DLSS

Yeah basically videos only at this point. The 4090 only gets like 20 fps in 4k native haha, DLSS is doing all the work right now.

me too! Wonder how long it will be before cards catch up

@@eightleafgaming the bigger question is, how long till my wallet catches up, to replace my 2070

Haha right? Hopefully next gen GPUs come down in price to performance!

for you my dude

thank you for checkin it out!

Except there is a small shadow in that corner which makes sense since there's a white light above there. What doesn't make sense is the thick SSAO corner in both non Overdrive scenes... 🤔

there is a light source facing it...

Haha yes!

I think i would have to turn up the brightness for sure

It's dark because there are shadows being cast in areas that typically video games don't have shadows due to limitations in rasterization.

In 4k maxed out, yes. I bet a 4080 does 1440p, and a 3090 will do 1080p

@@eightleafgaming damn i plan to buy 3060 guess i have to save up some more

that's exactly what it is, regular RT utilizes some real RT technology but mostly simulated effects while OD actually calculates light bounces up to 2 times within certain draw distance. Just imagine in another 10 years, where GPUs are powerful enough to handle light bouncing something like 5 times with a greater draw distance

@@cks2020693 at 100+ fps 😧😧😧 that would be insane improvement in many years.

@Boyno007 with the rapid improvement of AI, it's possible that in the future we won't need a powerful GPU to run games at max

@@cks2020693 to avoid mistakes, 3 bounces are enough, as much as it will be in real time, it will be fine. Personally, I am happy with what is already and what the future will bring, we will see.

@@cks2020693" Ray-traced indirect lighting and reflections now bounce multiple times, compared to the previous solution’s single bounce." where did you get the information that it bounces twice?

for sure my biggest complaint too! that and it runs at 20 fps without DLSS lol

Seems to add a lot of atmospheric haze so I agree. More realistic tho!

Interesting! I've always found lighting to make a bigger difference, but I've stared at many a video game texture, too haha.

Yeah it looks way better to me.

@@eightleafgaming Lighting plays a role, but if you look at the most advanced games from the PS4 generation, Red Dead 2 and Last of Us 2, they are all about textures and animation. If the characters in Red Dead didn't looked "real" enough, it becomes harder to be hooked by the story

lol haven't had it in summer yet but it will be hot haha. Great in the winter though!

Was never a fan of the ray tracing in this game until the path tracing update for sure!

It's really just a technology preview but very impressive nonetheless

@@TheHalo14aus Yeah, it is a preview, but still a pretty impressive one. I didn't mean to imply the problem is with RT Overdrive. I guess the issue I am raising is that the hardware just isn't there yet, we need multiple orders of magnitude more, and that isn't a couple of cards in the future, its 30-40 years (and I think I am being optimistic). But it will be pretty good by then for native 4K I think. Should be pretty great in 50 years. We are right near the bottom, so ray/path tracing is going to be pretty average for a while. But every 5 years or so (~2 generations) we will see a pretty substantial improvement. Even more so in the coming 5 or so generations. I do love it though and we do have to push hard to get there as fast as we can. Path tracing is the future, and its available now in preview. But I still prefer it over rasterizing - I just don't think rasterizing with ray tracing adds enough for the performance hit, where I think we just need to push over to Path tracing ASAP. Backwards compatibility with older hardware is our problem for a while. AMD needs to get their finger our on RT hardware. They need to bring out something that trounces nVidia 😬

haha I laughed at this, pretty true.

Both are worth it. There's a lot of improvements in each type.

video is more for visual comparison than anything! I put the framecount info because a few people requested it.

@@eightleafgaming Ah, I see.

lolol right?