Why I Ditched My Super Bike For This 1980s STEEL Road Bike

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Cycling Weekly

Cycling Weekly

Күн бұрын

What would make you ditch you modern road bike? Well, for Joe Baker, there were a number of reasons which made him make the switch to a custom built 1980's Massi steel framed road bike. It wasn't just to do with style, but for him it went deeper, it was how the bike made him feel. Would you ever ditch your road bike for something from yesteryear?
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@mericanignoranc3551
@mericanignoranc3551 3 ай бұрын
I was beginning to think the biking community was insane with their obsession with menial gains, good to see some common sense .
@DavidCasebeer-wf8by
@DavidCasebeer-wf8by 3 ай бұрын
My Mercian Prolugless (2004) with Record 11 set up, Mavic rims (32 x 3) is 8.3 kgs with everything but water in the bottles. Oh, it is 61 cm and I am 69 years young. Am I as fast? Not like when I was 75kgs and 23. But then I am an old goat. Also, stopping power with rim brakes on carbon is not great period, try an aluminum rim.
@hanchi8710
@hanchi8710 Ай бұрын
steel is real, but best for gravel. Too heavy for consistent speeds
@obsidianclorox
@obsidianclorox 18 күн бұрын
@@hanchi8710 Too heavy? It's only a few hundred grams heavier than a carbon bike with disc brakes. If you're slow you're slow, if you're fast you're fast. No amount of aero and/or weight bs is going to magically make you faster/slower
@hanchi8710
@hanchi8710 18 күн бұрын
@@obsidianclorox 9.5kg is quite a bit heavier (2-3kg) than a lightweight carbon (around 7.1kg). For the price difference of course it's gonna be worth no argument there. Riding extremely hilly tours however like Passo Del Mortirolo or Passo Gavia are gonna be a pain that 2-3kg is gonna matter.
@wandering_pete
@wandering_pete 14 күн бұрын
@@hanchi8710 2.5kg does sound like a lot, but most people won't notice the difference. As for riding hilly terrain, that's more about the rider, their own weight, their climbing ability, and their own strength. For me, with the amount of weight training I do, I doubt I'd notice.
@brockjennings
@brockjennings 3 ай бұрын
Bicycles of this era were built during the apex of my cycling journey. As such, they have a special place in my heart. It's nice to see a younger generation appreciate these frames despite not being cutting-edge.
@TheSlowoldman
@TheSlowoldman 3 ай бұрын
Same here, and the are beautiful in a way frames these days can't match. Even though they outweigh todays bikes they appear so sleek and slim.
@rob-c.
@rob-c. 3 ай бұрын
For the shifter clamps, just replace them with a pair of old ones meant for the size of handlebar. They’ll bolt through the Ultegra shifters just the same.
@333wheeler
@333wheeler 3 ай бұрын
External cables and rim brakes (use alloy rims mate ) are game changers when it comes to service time and lack of headaches.. Nice bike it has great character .
@stephensaines7100
@stephensaines7100 3 ай бұрын
[ (use alloy rims mate ) ] For a bike like this, I couldn't agree more. What this machine is besides the retro look is durable. And the carbon rims aren't that, let alone stopping power. It's serendipity that you mentioned that, as his calipers are dual-pivot, and on my Eighties Classic Reynolds 531 (Renovated by Argos late Eighties, original builder unknown) one of the best upgrades was to dual-pivot brakes and appropriate levers. And they work well in the wet. I built up my present wheels (36 db spoke for strength, I do cross county gravel as well as trails, back roads) on Mavic A319s some twelve years ago, running 28c 4 Seasons. Wheels have only needed one slight truing in that 12 years. For many people, a "racing bike" is the last thing they need, or can afford.
@einundsiebenziger5488
@einundsiebenziger5488 Ай бұрын
Rim brakes, yes. All external cables, not so much. I like cables hidden under the bar tape instead of them flapping around and the rear brake cable routed inside the top tube for a cleaner look and more comfortable carrying the bike over the shoulder instead of ugly clamps and miles of cable housing to increase friction.
@markymarknj
@markymarknj 12 күн бұрын
All my bikes have rim brakes with alloy rims. They stop me VERY well, TYVM! For the riding I do, I don't need discs.
@richcrompton6891
@richcrompton6891 3 ай бұрын
Just perfection. I’d still go for aluminium rims though! I do like my brakes to slow me down when necessary!
@markymarknj
@markymarknj 12 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Aragorn.Strider
@Aragorn.Strider 3 ай бұрын
any bike is a good bike if you actually ride it
@JamesSmith-qs4hx
@JamesSmith-qs4hx 3 ай бұрын
Rim brakes for the win in 2024❤
@nestorarcilaosorio2457
@nestorarcilaosorio2457 3 ай бұрын
Long Reach Brakes like Velo Orange Grand Cru Long Reach or TRP RG957 and you can use big tires even with fenders, easily 700x32c and without fenders you can fit even bigger ones.
@rob-c.
@rob-c. 3 ай бұрын
@@PP-cm4re I ran a set of Fulcrums with their recommended pads for years and they were fine for everyday riding wet or dry - out-performed a friends Zipps with aluminium breaking surface.
@montrose252
@montrose252 3 ай бұрын
Long live rim brakes!
@montrose252
@montrose252 3 ай бұрын
@@PP-cm4re They're fine
@David..
@David.. 3 ай бұрын
@@PP-cm4renever had an issue with braking on my 404s ever. Plus they sounded like a turbine spooling down vs dog shit like my disc brakes sound and I never really had to mess with my brakes or live in fear of getting something on my rotor. Would gladly go back if I could be assured I’d be able to get components in the future.
@tomrachellesfirstdance7843
@tomrachellesfirstdance7843 3 ай бұрын
Hard to believe somebody would just throw an ultegra groupset and not sell it
@markj.a351
@markj.a351 3 ай бұрын
If you're pretty new to cycling, it's possible you don't know what you're throwing away. Talk to non cyclists or new and they don't know anything about groupsets and how much value the word "ultegra" adds to those parts.
@tomrachellesfirstdance7843
@tomrachellesfirstdance7843 3 ай бұрын
@@markj.a351 You could guess from the price, you wouldn't be getting any type of ultegra bike for less than a couple of Grand even 5 years ago
@davidmundowyahoo7839
@davidmundowyahoo7839 3 ай бұрын
I almost stopped watching at that point. It's disgusting someone could consider doing that
@splashpit
@splashpit 2 ай бұрын
I found a broken carbon frame giant with an ultegra groupset on the sidewalk in a rubbish pile , been sitting in my loft for years awaiting a project.
@MLRomo
@MLRomo 3 ай бұрын
For a mortal as myself a bike that weights 9.5kgs is still very light. Love the build! And you probably love it because it is your own creation. 🍻
@lars1588
@lars1588 3 ай бұрын
I'm the proud owner of a one-of-two, custom-built, steel road bike, hand-built by a local builder in 1989. It was one of his first frames, and he offers to buy it off me every time I come in the shop he works at (and that I used to work at as well). I don't think I'd sell it for any amount of money, unless he would trade me for one of his later frames in a different color (mine is bright, glossy yellow). It handles excellently, weighs 21 lbs (9.5 kgs), looks flashy, and only cost me $350. It even has an early 2000s Ultegra groupset (partially-- the front derailleur is 105, and the crankset is a 600 from the eighties). I get comments all the time when I'm out riding. Everybody loves it.
@Rich_Mitch_Creative
@Rich_Mitch_Creative 3 ай бұрын
Stunning. As someone who recently refurbished a steel bike I found at the tip for the total cost of £190 to commute to and from work on. I love channels and publications like 'The Weekly' showing that you can really create a beautiful bicycle for a much more modest budget than the usual new off the peg bike in '24. Long live steel bikes and long live second hand gems.
@johnandrus3901
@johnandrus3901 3 ай бұрын
Nice. I still ride my 1981 Miyata 1000, bought brand new. It's been upgraded to 105 and SPD and still rides like a dream. I'm 66 now and ride about 25 miles a day. Cantilever brakes, with proper pads, stop quite well, even when wet. I'm sure that they make pads for your carbon wheels that work well when wet, also. I upgraded my Kuwahara tandem in the same manner. Great bikes, all the way around.
@biketrybe7071
@biketrybe7071 3 ай бұрын
Good on you, my friend. Steel is still real.
@BuffsVintageBikes
@BuffsVintageBikes 3 ай бұрын
Welcome to the Vintage Bike Club, good to see a youngster willing to try something different and loving the ride quality of steel.
@shafieklevy3175
@shafieklevy3175 3 ай бұрын
Steel is real.
@Groaznic
@Groaznic 3 ай бұрын
I honestly hope this trend continues. These bikes are gorgeous especially with one or two modern components swapped on to them.
@JackY-pu5nh
@JackY-pu5nh 3 ай бұрын
My custom Reynolds steel bike weights 9.5kg too! Except mine is with alloy rims and down tube shifters, but I really like the idea of “the modest protest” against ridiculously expensive super bikes.
@user-ep6iw9he7e
@user-ep6iw9he7e 3 ай бұрын
That sounds like a false dychotomy. Between 9.5 kg steel bike and modern superbikes there are bikes that are fairly light, good quality and aren't ridiculously expensive. Carbon Gaint TCR Advanced 2 could be found on discounts for about 1600 euro; Merida Scultura 4000 for about 1800 euro; Look 765 optimum for 2000 euro, just for example.
@JackY-pu5nh
@JackY-pu5nh 3 ай бұрын
@@user-ep6iw9he7e yes you’re right, but I built it myself and it only cost me about €700 in total, plus I really enjoy building it. Every part of the bike was chosen by myself.
@FL-ym6hm
@FL-ym6hm 3 ай бұрын
Love the ingenuity to get this bike on the road. That’s a beauty. Thanks for sharing.
@MrMummy15
@MrMummy15 3 ай бұрын
I ride my dad's old steel bike from the 80s with downtube shifters^^ with 11 kilos and relatively heavy gearing it's a bit of a hustle going uphill but on the other hand I love the retro feeling and the look of it!
@joeyslats31
@joeyslats31 3 ай бұрын
25yr old '88 Peugeot rider here, daily. Keeping parts maintained and riding as fast as possible 😎
@twgq
@twgq 3 ай бұрын
Yes, it´s good! I´m cycling a 90s steel frame with r7000 groupset, Ritchey classic parts, Campa Zonda wheels and Columbus 1" carbon fork. Also owing and cycling a Spezi allez sprint, with same wheel set. Weight difference is only about 600g (steel bike 9,6 Kg, Spezi 9 Kg) but the whole ride experience is different. For daily rides I prefer the steel bike. The Spezi I´m using for climbing days, not only because of the minimal weight difference but more for the stiffness. As riding bikes in XL, I´m 193cm and about 95 Kg heavy, it´s noticeable stiffer at less weight. I bought booth bikes used and upgraded with some new parts. The steel frame cost me about 160€ with steel fork, upgrades were Columbus carbon fork (220€), wheels Campa Zonda (250€), Richtey parts (80€), saddle (60€) and the groupset (350€). So realistic is a price around 1000€, everything below is bombastic. Also the Spezi cost me used 550€ and needed some new parts for change, the whole price was around 950€.
@jimo4449
@jimo4449 3 ай бұрын
What a beautiful bike, I still ride my mid 90s steel when I don't need to keep up with others
@user-cu9oe8ds4y
@user-cu9oe8ds4y 2 ай бұрын
I just bought a 1966 mercier bike in pink. I am so excited. Going to get it serviced and ride my new baby till I am too old to ride. I love vintage bikes. Cant wait to strap up my toe clips. Your bike is pure beauty on two wheels. You should be proud.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 3 ай бұрын
Well done mate! You're so young to have made the change to a 1992 bike lol! I love it!! I am only riding steel bikes and rim brakes as well. I am a bike shop owner that can ride a top tier bike from Basso, Bianchi or De Rosa but choose to ride my Ritchey Road Logics and Tommasini XCR steel bikes. Coke cans are incredible for shimming. Get yourself some HED Ardennes Black Alloy wheels with a textured brake track the braking performance is incredible. Carbon rim brake wheels in the wet were never a good idea hence why everyone thinks disc brakes are better. Alloy wheels and rim brake will give you the stopping power you need in the dry and the wet.
@markhancock7527
@markhancock7527 3 ай бұрын
I did this with a 1992 Cliff shrubb 531,i put 10 speed Dura ace on from 2008 & Had some hope hubs wheels made up.I had the frame refurbished & spray McLaren Orange.I already had the Groupset & frame so cost was £1400.Weight is 9.1kg now when i had the bike set up in 1992 with 8 speed 105 it was 10.5 kg.I love riding this bike on a sunny day in summer.
@MandyH1972
@MandyH1972 3 ай бұрын
In the past year I've switched from a Pinarello Dogma F10 to a pair of hand built Mercians. Best thing I ever did.
@CaptainRon956
@CaptainRon956 3 ай бұрын
I recently rode a century on my green with chromed dropouts 1974 Raleigh Grand Prix 10 speed upgraded with a Suntour cyclone groupset & 700c wheels with Shimano 600 hubs on 25mm GP 4000 ii tires. I did it in 5 hrs 19 min. A well spec’d steel frame bike is an absolute joy to ride. They can be just as fast as newer bikes, ridiculously reliable & guaranteed to turn a few heads at large charity rides.
@daniellarson3068
@daniellarson3068 3 ай бұрын
I was curious and read all the comments. I saw only one negative comment. People seemed very enthusiastic about the steel bike. The bike seems durable, practical and fun.
@7gibbens
@7gibbens 3 ай бұрын
I picked up a red Colnago 1990 Super steel 8 speed road bike for less than 500 pounds. With some equally retro kit I love taking it out for a cafe ride down the Adelaide, Australia beaches. 😊🚴
@David..
@David.. 3 ай бұрын
I went to a steel bike a few years ago. Still have the same times up Mt Lemmon, still can hang just like I did in the A group, don’t race anymore but based on my number I’d still be able to mid pack a 3/4 road race with an I’ll advised breakaway attempt early. The only functional innovations in cycling over the last 20 years have been proliferation of low cost power meters and training plans, deep section wheels, clearance for wide tires, good clincher tires and low bb/increased trail that I think Lightspeed pioneered? Would rather the brands put some of the R&D budget into QC and manufacturing vs gimmicks.
@LS1conehead
@LS1conehead 2 ай бұрын
Yes, 15k-20K USD for something with an out of round, creaking crunchy carbon bottom bracket shell is flat out CRIMINAL!! 😡
@harryrowland4734
@harryrowland4734 3 ай бұрын
It's fillet brazed, not welded and I believe, built in Italy for Massi. If you store for any length, grease up the chrome.
@user-ne9ml9ko8j
@user-ne9ml9ko8j 2 ай бұрын
I own a MASSI...are you talking about this model or in general ?
@harryrowland4734
@harryrowland4734 2 ай бұрын
@@user-ne9ml9ko8j that exact model, I've had two and still have one. I know it's fillet brazed because it has been resprayed and I've seen the unpainted frame
@user-ne9ml9ko8j
@user-ne9ml9ko8j 2 ай бұрын
@@harryrowland4734 It is an extremely pretty frame ! Love the fork so much ! Kind of reminds me of some Colnago geometries ! Do you have information on where the frames were built beside the one you have ! I don't care much if it was build it Spain or Italy but I am curious ! Have a great day !
@harryrowland4734
@harryrowland4734 2 ай бұрын
@@user-ne9ml9ko8j I'm a bicycle dealer, and when Massi discontinued this model, I bought up the clearance stock. The Columbus Brain model came in two colour options, plus a few in yellow with Italian bottom bracket shells. There was also a cheaper Columbus Thron frameset in Salmon Pink / orange, it was a strange colour and some people saw orange and some saw pink. I was told that they were built in Italy, possibly the same as Sab and the Pinarrelo training frames
@harryrowland4734
@harryrowland4734 2 ай бұрын
@@user-ne9ml9ko8j It does have the low bottom bracket ,typically Italian, which is why they look smaller than they actually are
@charlesmansplaining
@charlesmansplaining 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing us your bike, she is a beauty. I am also going back to old school you might call it. There is a frame builder here in the US that makes custom steel frames with a few personal design features that wins him awards at NAHBS. I'm on the list and expecting my bike in May. I've purchased NOS Campy Centaur group and built my vintage style blingy silver wheels. I'm glad you pointed out the fit of the shift levers on the bars because I need to check that because I also bought vintage type bars and quill stem. Anyway, that's a great bike you have there, I'm happy for you.
@simong5964
@simong5964 3 ай бұрын
I bought the exact same Frameset NOS from eBay maybe 15 years ago for about £90. Workmanship on the fillet brazing is as good as any I’ve seen and if it was Italian branded would be many times the price. That’s the price of cycling brand vanity I guess.
@SylvesterCartier
@SylvesterCartier 3 ай бұрын
Sweet build! That's a bike that starts conversations with old guys like me.
@s.j.5850
@s.j.5850 3 ай бұрын
The bike looks fantastic. It's good to see someone who used to race that knows it's not about the lightest & fastest bike that is important. Riding a bike is about the joy & exercise that it brings. Classic bikes are like classic cars - they have a certain quality that the "latest & greatest" just don't have. Amazing that having your bike stolen brought you to a new sense of awareness when it comes to riding. Remember how it felt as a kid riding a bike? It didn't matter what kind of bike it was to have fun!
@TOMMYOOST
@TOMMYOOST 2 ай бұрын
I've been using one of those as a commuter bike for the past 7 years now, they are truly great. You go a lot faster than usual and maintenance is always easy! Up to now i've always fixed it my self by using youtube clips, much better than integrated braking and cables.
@johnnydoe66
@johnnydoe66 3 ай бұрын
I am currently riding a restomod, 1986 Specialized Allez SE frame. The original bike was bought by a friend right after graduating college in the 80's. I have built it out using 2012 Shimano Sora/Tiagra mix (from my daughter's bike she out grew), Fulcrum Racing Quattro wheelset, a 1997 Profile BRC carbon fork, and bits from my carbon "wonder" bike that I am selling. I absolutely love how it looks with the 35mm deep aero wheels and the skinny steel tubes, plus it rides so much smoother than my carbon Masi Evolusione ever did. To fit the newer 10 spd groupset and wheels just required me to cold work the frame by spreading, realignment of the dropouts, and aligning the derailleur hanger.
@jimmansi9046
@jimmansi9046 3 ай бұрын
That’s one beautiful BIKE, I bet that ride is so smooth, best of luck with it!
@user-ne9ml9ko8j
@user-ne9ml9ko8j 2 ай бұрын
Got a MASSI MASTER + Campa Headset / BB for 125EU ! One of my favorite bikes to ride ! Aesthetical perfection !
@alch3mi5t.
@alch3mi5t. 3 ай бұрын
bike nirvana. What a beauty. 💛💛
@alch3mi5t.
@alch3mi5t. 3 ай бұрын
the non matching bottle cages give me anxiety though. 😂
@CharlieMetcalf
@CharlieMetcalf 3 ай бұрын
Who cares how much it weighs. It is amazingly beautiful. Back when bikes were works of art and not plastic crap. You can upgrade to more modern bars and still keep the same aesthetic. Too many non pro racers feel they have to have the lightest and fastest bike. I dont know why. That Massi is freakishly beautiful and will outlast and outclass any modern plastic bike. As for rim brakes, they work just fine and have for a very very long time. Just last year there were still Tour riders running rim brakes in time trials.
@s.j.5850
@s.j.5850 3 ай бұрын
Plastic - exactly what I call carbon fiber bikes!
@einundsiebenziger5488
@einundsiebenziger5488 Ай бұрын
Who cares how much (...)?* And carbon is no plastic, it can be just as sleek and elegant like a classic steel bike. The latest iterations of high-end carbon fiber bikes admittedly are mostly incredibly ugly.
@edjack1993
@edjack1993 3 ай бұрын
Looks Glorious! I bought a 1990s Peugeot carbon bike on eBay for about 250 quid. Amazing condition and looks fantastic. Rides beautifully. Sometimes I choose it over my 2021 Venge for a casual, fun ride. There’s alot to be said for “older” bikes. 🎉
@davidide1525
@davidide1525 3 ай бұрын
Really nice bike ! You might try experimenting with brake pads. My Campy Bora Wto wheelset stops fine in the wet, one revolution to clear the water and the next is good braking. There are a lot of us out here riding our mechanical rim brake bikes with no need or desire to change.
@jed7644
@jed7644 3 ай бұрын
I don’t understand these complaints about rim brakes. Ok, you need to pay attention & think ahead in the wet, but if you can grab the grips & throw yourself keister over pie-hole off the bike you’ve got about all the brakes you need, & you can do that with decent rim brakes. The exception, of course, might be long mountain descents where you’d probably prefer not to heat up your rims. Since my career’s not riding on doing that hill at 11/10ths, I just keep speeds under control to begin with - no problem.
@andrewdwyer-rm1io
@andrewdwyer-rm1io 3 ай бұрын
Couldn’t fault this build, well done
@MichaelWilliams-iv6dj
@MichaelWilliams-iv6dj 3 ай бұрын
Reminds me of my first nice bike. A small Italian brand named Faggin. Columbus SLX tubing, with a mix of Campy Chorus and Suntour Superbe Pro. A total tank at 23 lbs but it had that super smooth feel of a steel bike.
@zypang1447
@zypang1447 3 ай бұрын
As someone who has built up the lightest, fastest carbon mechanical bike I could afford, thing I want most next is a steel bike. I'm probably going modern though, Soma or Ritchey. But this bike is gorgeous, great video. Rim brake steel bikes simply are the most beautiful bikes.
@robertsouza3273
@robertsouza3273 2 ай бұрын
I vote for Ritchey. Triple butted steel😁🚲
@LS1conehead
@LS1conehead 2 ай бұрын
Maybe if enough people start upping the demand for NARROWER rim brake wheels (even alloy braking surface, deep section carbon ones like the first gen Cosmic Carbones) by building/sourcing vintage style/configuration steel and Ti frames, these asshole, recalcitrant, could not give a shit, wheel companies will start producing and offering wheels we can use once again (instead of solely mile wide, only cross spoke pattern, disc brake shit!)?!?
@wilyamiyoo
@wilyamiyoo 2 ай бұрын
You might say it's not the latest, but it can complete for the greatest part. Nice looking bike and sensible mix of modern parts into it. Cheers!
@MrMrdlegend
@MrMrdlegend 3 ай бұрын
Nice bike! I have a soft spot for steel frames and currently have 3 late 80s converted fixies - a Bianchi, Puch, and Miele. They all ride fantastic. I also just recently did what you did and added Ultegra 10 speed groupset to my 89 Merckx Corsa Extra. As you say, not the lightest but rides like a Cadillac
@ilovephotography1254
@ilovephotography1254 3 ай бұрын
Retro bikes and Contemporary, both are fun and make me smile.
@urouroniwa
@urouroniwa 3 ай бұрын
This is something I've been contemplating for a long time. In the late 80's I had my very first good road bike stolen after only owning it for 2 weeks. It wasn't insured and I was a student, so it kind of turned me off riding for a long time. For the 2 weeks I owned it, though, I loved that bike and I *still* dream about it. I don't even remember exactly what it was (pretty sure it was a Bianchi and I paid $800 in a crazy 50% discount sale, so it was a relatively good bike). I keep thinking of buying a frame and building it up in a similar hybrid way. The problem I have now is that I live in Japan and people who rode bikes in the 80's and 90's treasured them and kept them in practically mint condition. It's hard to buy anything from that era for a reasonable amount of money...
@aaronalto3034
@aaronalto3034 3 ай бұрын
Old steel frames are better in any cross. winds too, compared to fat tubed glam bikes. Good for you for breaking the rules and being sensible, not insecure as a roadie. Enjoy, and enjoy all the money you saved.
@einundsiebenziger5488
@einundsiebenziger5488 Ай бұрын
... better in *cross *winds too.
@bennovp
@bennovp Ай бұрын
As a steel fan I bought a Temple Cycles Road a few months ago. For me that thing combines the best of two worlds: classic looks of a steel frame with a steel fork and modern disc brakes. Weight is about 9kg and it rides like a dream…
@martinkrautter8325
@martinkrautter8325 17 күн бұрын
My road ride is a 1990 Bianchi Rekord Cromor, it comes out only when the sun shines and the experience is a bit like driving a vintage Alfa Spider or a Dino - of course, any modern hot hatch is faster. But it is just pure bliss and makes me smile the whole ride.
@PatrickJamesKiernan
@PatrickJamesKiernan 3 ай бұрын
So cool! Nice to see a bike with a bit of individuality!
@taz1109
@taz1109 Ай бұрын
OMG I too got my Specialized Roubaix stolen from my garage and went with the steel frame as a replacement. Got a brand new steel frame and new modern components. Like you I'm very pleased with the outcome.
@Al.2
@Al.2 3 ай бұрын
No way is there 3 km/h difference. I bet it is almost as fast unless you chose to set up your position more upright but that's not the bike's fault.
@michaelmechex
@michaelmechex 3 ай бұрын
I'm surprised it's not more. Especially compared to the Factor, which is a very fast bike. Wider tires, some aero features and 2 kilos less make a huge difference.
@Al.2
@Al.2 3 ай бұрын
3 km/h is a lot of watts. No aero features of the frame or wheels (which is not even the case here), nor the wider tires can give you that kind of gains. 2 kg of weight difference? That's six watts and only on a steep climb. You can play with a bike calculator to get a feel of power requirements for different scenarios and of course try and do some testing with a power meter. Nice bike btw and it's much faster than you think :)
@urouroniwa
@urouroniwa 3 ай бұрын
@@Al.2 I was thinking something similar and I plugged it in to my favorite power calculator: the difference between 27 and 30 km/h in the drops is over 40 watts on the hoods. It looks like the Factor had deeper section wheels, which will account for part of that, but that can't be all bike. In fact, you can see that he's got a massive drop from the seat to the handle bars on the Factor, but barely any on the Massi.
@Al.2
@Al.2 3 ай бұрын
Oh, he actually set it up different in terms of reach and stack? So there you go. That invalidates the comparison. However, he can now comfortably ride on the hoods with bent elbows in the so called aero hoods position and be very fast now on the Massi. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he could produce more power on the climbs while seated in the more comfortable upright position.
@jimihendrix731
@jimihendrix731 3 ай бұрын
Vintage steel bikes ride great on 23mm wide tires at max pressure, proof modern bikes are overly stiff, poorly riding faff-mobiles.
@RebestedBikes
@RebestedBikes Ай бұрын
Agreed. It metaphorically scales to driving a McLaren as a daily driver. Why would you put yourself through that?
@BFin26
@BFin26 3 ай бұрын
rim brake mafia for life
@robertdewar1752
@robertdewar1752 3 ай бұрын
Also, this bike will cost almost nothing to maintain, in financial and temporal terms. You could reduce your rolling and air resistance by swapping out the 25c's for 20c's, the steel frame will afford the compliance required. You will also get better acceleration due to the reduced rotating mass.
@julianwinn4502
@julianwinn4502 3 ай бұрын
Great video. I was given a 1983 Raleigh Quasar last year and with a few parts replaced have been happily riding it through the winter. I have stayed with the downtube shifters but changed the gearing to suit my local hills. Wheels had to be replaced as they were showing signs of cracking so it now rides on some new wheels with tan sidewall tyres. Gets comments and interest from cyclists wherever I go.
@underoathuea
@underoathuea 3 ай бұрын
No braking power: "It's a small price to pay" I'd argue that's quite a big price personally haha.
@BmanNL1
@BmanNL1 3 ай бұрын
Back in the eighties, we were dreaming of better brakes 😂. As long as my dentist doesn't go back to 1980, it's all good for me.
@Scrooks1
@Scrooks1 3 ай бұрын
Awesome bike. I have an 80’s/90’s Columbus tubing SOMEC and a BASSO. Both have fairly modern Campy group sets, they’re great and will last for years.
@winstoncat6785
@winstoncat6785 23 күн бұрын
Great bike! Back in the day, we climbed (and descended) alpine passes on similar things. The only thing I would not be happy about was the one you mentioned - carbon wheels with rim brakes. If only you could find open 4 CD rims again! Although Shimano Ultegra level wheels from the 00's were really good and bomb proof.
@ramansharma6986
@ramansharma6986 3 ай бұрын
Really nicely done. Classy and very individual. Plus, you clearly love it! Great to see you young fellas warming to something from my generation.
@n22pdf
@n22pdf 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful dude I did the same a few years ago.. never looked back.. rim brake, mechanical, steel what a great combo 😊❤ Pete 🚴🏻👍
@PhilOsGarage
@PhilOsGarage 3 ай бұрын
Wile I love my modern 2022 Vitus, I also love my 97 Olmo Giro, there is still a lot of enjoyment in a good steel road bike
@peatyxxjxxx1494
@peatyxxjxxx1494 2 ай бұрын
Just picked up a cheap Marinoni with the same idea. Lets start the bicycle resto mod revolution!!
@danielakerman8241
@danielakerman8241 3 ай бұрын
Nice bike. The angles of the handlebars and the hoods are a bit odd, but it’s cool how you updated an old bike
@nitrovent
@nitrovent 6 күн бұрын
I recently bought an older (90s?) KTM but with new (almost too) wide Kenda gravel tires as my first bike I'll ride just for fun (hadn't really done that since I was a teen). These retrofitted bikes also just look cool and it gets more looks than I imagined.
@aluminati9918
@aluminati9918 3 ай бұрын
Looks awesome! Great build.
@move177
@move177 3 ай бұрын
Nice bike! Look at the "Procraft RR Compact 26" handlebars. Its a modern shaped, 70mm short reach, shallow drop handlebar with a 26mm clamping diameter. Fits perfect in the deda murex. An alternative is the Deda Piega RHM 26. 75mm rach and more drop.
@DavidDudley-yy2ui
@DavidDudley-yy2ui 3 ай бұрын
I was ready to ditch steel until I finally built the Breezer Inversion frame I had hanging my wall, with heavy Paul engineering disc brakes and 32 mm road tires. I cannot explain why it glides and climbs and feels better than the weight weenie bikes.
@s.j.5850
@s.j.5850 3 ай бұрын
Breezer Venturi here & luv riding it. Not into carbon fiber - don't think it's worth the cost. Steel will outlast the carbon fiber wonder bikes as witnessed by the bikes for sale on Ebay, etc.
@steveprice9737
@steveprice9737 3 ай бұрын
My 80s race bike is fast, really fast. It gets raced in hilly time trials where aero isn't so important and its quicker than the aero carbon bike on really steep stuff.
@charlcoetzee93
@charlcoetzee93 3 ай бұрын
Restomod. Very cool. I recently built up a 1x10 indexed downtube shifter race bike with modern brakes wheels and gears on a 90s frame
@Rafskat
@Rafskat 3 ай бұрын
Really nice bike. Personally, i'm about to build modern road bike, but i'm happy rider and owner of "mostly" (in look deparment) period correct bikes from '94, '87 and '74 with matchning kit. I love that throwback and aesthetic. It isn't for everyone, but wintage builds have their fans, it's same with classic cars.
@nathanielyoung3479
@nathanielyoung3479 2 ай бұрын
Love this build. I just Aquired a basso gap old school yellow/red paint job and I prefer it over my more modern disc brake bike. The loss of speed is easily outweighed by the enjoyment of the ride !
@paulpatriot1776
@paulpatriot1776 2 күн бұрын
Sorry to hear about the theft, but fantastic video sir!! My steed is a steel 1983 Fuji “ Team Fuji”
@gooiehoop20
@gooiehoop20 3 ай бұрын
I am also in this brigade. My bike is a 1980s vintage, and I love it.
@PP-cm4re
@PP-cm4re 3 ай бұрын
Great bike. Shame you didn’t film building it. Maybe it’s something you would consider doing in future vids?
@abedfo88
@abedfo88 3 ай бұрын
absolute beauty, i want my next project to be a steel retro mod!
@bryanooi8815
@bryanooi8815 3 ай бұрын
This bike is still sub 10kg. My steel tourer is 14kg and I using it to chase modern road bike of my friends.
@gam1471
@gam1471 Ай бұрын
In my view, the weight isn't too crucial. What really counts is how the bike feels - lively, absorbing road bumps easily, good stable steering, and no speed wobble going downhill. I sold my carbon bike and went back to good old Reynolds 531 butted tubing.
@robertpeterson8640
@robertpeterson8640 3 ай бұрын
Fun project. I’d keep an eye out for some nice alloy wheels though. With some of those red Kool Stop pads you get pretty good wet weather braking.
@FreekaPista
@FreekaPista 3 ай бұрын
Bicycles are about bringing joy to the rider, and this one seems to do that to perfection.
@JimIBobIJones
@JimIBobIJones 5 күн бұрын
Good on ya for reviving an old frame but personally don't think I could ever go back to a threaded stems or deal with square taper bottom brackets. They are nightmares to work with and tend to require more maintenance, more regularly.
@dajimejebote
@dajimejebote 4 күн бұрын
Honestly, bro, your "steel bike" is a super bike in my measuring system :)
@spkroadbikes
@spkroadbikes 3 ай бұрын
That bike is such a beauty
@ComeJesusChrist
@ComeJesusChrist 29 күн бұрын
It is sad how something as simple, joyful and liberating became unnecessarily complicated, competitive and expensive. I loved my old West German steel frame city bike and I am thinking of getting it from my parents to use it occasionally, just as I was using it during my university years, when I bought it for a pittance.
@motionstudio77
@motionstudio77 3 ай бұрын
beautiful bike, enjoy your ride!!
@montrose252
@montrose252 3 ай бұрын
That DEDA stem is sick!!!
@mikefernandez9551
@mikefernandez9551 2 ай бұрын
Road handlebars all use 23.8 mm diameter grip sections. The difference between a vintage and modern road bike handlebar is the stem clamp diameter (31.8 mm vs 26.0 mm or 25.4 mm. There may be a few other obsolete standards, but the handlebar grip area was always 23.8 mm, so whatever issue you experience on the shifters was not caused by a retro vs modern issue, and 26.8 handlebars don’t exist.
@dinodaniel2237
@dinodaniel2237 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video, well said!
@l.d.t.6327
@l.d.t.6327 3 ай бұрын
I have a Colnago Tecnos with Dura ace 9100 mechanical and Bora wheels. It weighs 8.5kgs. I reckon you could get a big performance gain with another (ligher, stiffer) crank and better wheels that have a textured braking surface. You can easily shed 0.5-1kgs and the bike will have a better stiffness while accelerating while retaining the plush steel ride comfort. With regards to 25mm: on steel bikes, you really don't need 28-30mm as the frame itself already takes away a lot of the road vibrations.
@chriswright9096
@chriswright9096 Ай бұрын
Absolutely vital for me to be able to work on my own bikes, and I don't think this is easy with the latest proprietary designs. I've taken to buying good vintage steel-frame bikes and restoring them. And nine times out of ten, those are the ones I reach for when it is time to go for a ride.
@JohnLumapaskeith
@JohnLumapaskeith Ай бұрын
What an amazing build! I love vintage road bikes! Thinking of stealing this Idea from you 😅
@romainleonidas7352
@romainleonidas7352 2 ай бұрын
My favorite practice is XC and I have an orbea alma od 2021. But also I practice a lot of working bike, gravel and small road sessions. I have a beautiful red faggin, he looks like an old ferrari bike. All the components are french or italian. As the wheels are not expansive (actually sometimes you can find some campagnolo or normandy competition for nothing) I have 3 games of wheel: cyclocross, gravel and road, and I love ride with him, the feeling is amazing, maybe he's not the most quick but it's not the feeling you have. With my italian gipiemme pizza 52-42 I take easily 37 km/h in the plates streets of my town. For more you have to push but it's so good.. And when you smoke a 2000 euros bike a with your well old steel bike it gives you a huge smile ..!
@Mraquanetchris
@Mraquanetchris 3 ай бұрын
My commuter is a 1986 Fuji Sundance. Still one of the smoothest bikes I've ever ridden.
@mvm9407
@mvm9407 2 ай бұрын
Congratulations on your beautiful 'neo-retro' bike. The braking issue you're experiencing has more to do with the rims' material than with the braking system itself. Many carbon wheels are fitted with an aluminium braking surface, which circumvents that problem.
@Ultegra10SPD
@Ultegra10SPD 8 күн бұрын
Just bought a new rim brake bike. No part in disc on the road. 1 day a nice steel build needs to happen. Miss my old ones. -U10
@andrewnorris5415
@andrewnorris5415 3 ай бұрын
Excellent! I fitted deore V brakes to my old canti MTB and noted the brakes where much better - more power and could still modulate well. Is it possible to fit MTB v brakes on this bike?
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