Darkest Hour | Based on a True Story

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6 жыл бұрын

Darkest Hour (2017) is an interesting movie. It messes up almost everything pretty badly to the point of being irksome, but it is also somewhat endearing. Churchill was quite a character, but they took some liberties that are a little too much to handle. But at least I get to talk about the guy - He was a bit of a historian afterall, so consider this a “historians who changed history” episode as well.
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Winston Churchill, Their Finest Hour (1949; New York: Rosetta Books, 2002) ebook, 87-150/788.
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Paul Johnson, Churchill (New York: Penguin Group, 2009).
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Darkest Hour is a 2017 British war drama film directed by Joe Wright and written by Anthony McCarten. It stars Gary Oldman as Winston Churchill, and is an account of his early days as Prime Minister, as Nazi Germany swept across Western Europe, threatening to defeat the United Kingdom during World War II. It leads to friction at the highest levels of government between those who would make a peace treaty with Hitler and Churchill, who refused. The film also stars Kristin Scott Thomas, Lily James, Ben Mendelsohn, Stephen Dillane, and Ronald Pickup.
The film had its world premiere at the Telluride Film Festival on 1 September 2017,[6] and also screened at the Toronto International Film Festival.[7] It began a limited release in the United States on 22 November 2017, followed by general release on 22 December, and was released on 12 January 2018 in the United Kingdom.[8] The film has grossed $145 million worldwide and received positive reviews.
Many critics noted Gary Oldman's performance as one of the best of his career
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@MFvanBylandt 6 жыл бұрын

The scene were you shift the prime minister label is wrong. The man you first label Prime Minister is Anthony Eden, not Neville Chamberlain. Eden was Churchill's second in command and long time minister of foreign affairs. Eden became Prime Minister in 1955 (after Churchill) and resigned in 1957, thanks to the Suez Crisis. Thus the clip would be usefull if played in reverse, but only in 1955.

@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын

ah dammit, I was wondering why he looked so young. Picture had him labeled Chamberlain. Gotta make a mistake somewhere, good catch

@awesomeinspector5270 6 жыл бұрын

If you'd like to see other Churchill movies, HBO made two. One in 2002 called "The Gathering Storm" starring Albert Finney and one (the sequel) from 2009 called "Into the Storm" starring Brendan Gleeson.

@RandyLeftHandy 5 жыл бұрын

This is what I like to see. No arrogance or insults, just facts.

@sicodaddy 4 жыл бұрын

Clement Atlee was arguably Churchill's second in command during the period of National Govt, though not officially Deputy PM until 1942, a role not held by Eden until Churchill's second term in 1951?

@yountendema5522 3 жыл бұрын

@darwinian7974 4 жыл бұрын

"stop writing biographies" he says, just having wrapped up a ten-minute biography.

@ghastlyghandi4301 2 жыл бұрын

I find it interesting how this and Dunkirk came out in the same year and they both were about 2 different ways of looking at the same event. Idk if that was intentional but it definitely makes the moves more interesting back-to-back.

@Cancoillotteman Жыл бұрын

and in both cases, the French army defense of the Dunkirk perimeter is completely ignored. In this movie they even say 200 000 French have surrendered before the evacuation began, while it happened after the evacuation ENDED, and the French held the entire line for more than a week despite Belgian and British leaving their posts without waiting for reinforcements

@seemlycarl123 Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure Dunkirk has a scene in it early on of the only defenders at Dunkirk being French and fighting over sandbags, been a little while since i seen the film, but i swear that is the case

@wayne7055 6 жыл бұрын

Why the fedora bro no

@anttibjorklund1869 6 жыл бұрын

"...and resigned shortly thereafter". If you call two years "short".

@ehrldawg 6 жыл бұрын

The "Iron Curtain" speech was given at Westminister College in Fulton Missouri. I grew up about 60 miles from their and played Fulton in high school football. My dad said that the smartest kids in his school was invited to go see Churchill at Westminister. He wasn't invited to go. LOL !!

@SunflowerSocialist 5 жыл бұрын

ehrldawg my debate partner is from Fulton

@ioannisimansola7115 4 жыл бұрын

Their = there

@BoraCM 4 жыл бұрын

Is there a Westminster in Missouri? The Americans should stop taking our names. Name your own town.

@andyb2028 4 жыл бұрын

@@BoraCM i suppose we just felt your country doesn't do those names justice or that we could do better with thone names

@jadonphillips5530 6 жыл бұрын

"And Stalin wanted to jump on Churchill's belly" wtf

@SunflowerSocialist 5 жыл бұрын

Spagooti Spaghett Stalin just wanted to make Roosevelt jealous of the fact he had working legs and could jump.

@st-wf7pe 3 жыл бұрын

It was a very *Nasty* *playtime* Stalin and Churchill had in the *bed* *alone* .

@sara_sah-raezzat5086 6 жыл бұрын

As a character study, it's a good film; as a representation of history, not so much.

@disco1974ever 6 жыл бұрын

Is it? I'm geuinely curious of how you came to think that? It's totally fine with me that you came that opinion, I'm not arguing, only countering. Because as I see it he was the absolute personification of discriminatory colonial oligarchy, who's single redeeming achievement was being the head of government of UK during the BoB (the only time UK alone dictated the progress of WW2). The rest of his life he was a relic of England's racist, sexist, classist* past and if it wasn't for the good work of USSR Intelligence he would of taken the world into a war possibly more murderous than WW2. question mark :)

@sara_sah-raezzat5086 6 жыл бұрын

I said I thought it was a good character study, as in a good look at the person, or at least parts of the person. That's different from saying he's a good person. He wasn't a good person, for all the reasons you mention. He did achieve great things during the war and was the leader the UK needed at the time, but that doesn't make him a good person. People tend to conflate greatness with goodness; assuming that if a person did great things they must be good, or assuming if they weren't a good person their achievements can't be that great.The truth is more complicated than that. Churchill was certainly more complicated; he embodied worst aspects of 20th century England, and also some of the best.

@disco1974ever 6 жыл бұрын

Yes. I can see your point

@Cancoillotteman 6 жыл бұрын

+Bluestocking Sara I completely agree with you on this. Same goes for Roosevelt who shot real bullits at striker blue workers during the 1930's, or for Charles de Gaulle who allowed a slaughter of Algerian soldiers that just asked to be paid for their service to France. Yet all those three were needed at that time and did great things. I for one, am glad we had them back then. Yet I'd even add about the movie that perhaps its inaccuracies made it a better movie for fault of being a good historical movie. For instance the scene in the subway is authentically moving, and despite it never had a chance to happen I'm glad they've filmed it.

@angusyang5917 5 жыл бұрын

@@Cancoillotteman No, Roosevelt did not order the Memorial Day massacre, he did not like the conflict between the workers and company and sought to alleviate that.

@Idahoguy10157 4 жыл бұрын

Darkest Hour is an historical fiction. Damn good historic fiction.

@claudeyaz 2 жыл бұрын

Yeh but it was obvious oscar bait lol

@AmericanHighSchool 6 жыл бұрын

I got an ad for Bud Light right after you fell out of your chair.

@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын

Oh the irony. If only they showed whiskey

@matthewkuchinski1769 6 жыл бұрын

It is also quite fascinating that Churchill was the mastermind behind Operation Gladius. The operation was intended to create European guerrilla organizations that would be prepared to fight against the dreaded Soviet invasion of the continent.

@SunflowerSocialist 6 жыл бұрын

Matthew Kuchinski don’t you mean gladio?

@LeFreshmeat 3 жыл бұрын

Wasn't a big fan of this movie. Everything felt so sanitized and cartoony. You hit the nail on the head when you said it focused on the popular perception of Churchill instead of the honest.

@mynameisben5133 2 жыл бұрын

Basically blah blah I’m Winston church hill blah blah

@Sevatar_VIIIth Жыл бұрын

Glad I caught your comment, just finished the Imitation Game and wanted another similar era movie on Netflix then saw this one lol.

@Greg-yu4ij Жыл бұрын

About the London Underground scene: “This is the kind of thing he did right through the war,” said McCarten of Churchill. “He would go AWOL, disappear and pop up somewhere in London with ordinary people, to find out what they were thinking. So that scene was drawn from deep research, but we have no record that it happened. “It’s a perfect example of how you’re trying to dramatize verifiable events that might have happened outside the time frame of your movie, but which are very, very valuable for the dramatist in showing critical aspects of your story.” -The wrap

@julielevinge266 Жыл бұрын

You totally ignore the huge influence Churchill & his speeches had on the people in the UK?? He convinced everyone that we could & would win, even his speeches to the French were incredibly uplifting!! Extraordinarily petty & inaccurate to just imply he was just a piss head??

@ghostofhojo 6 жыл бұрын

Please do My Way, a Korean film about the: forced conscription into the imperial Japanese army of a Korean who got sent to a gulag after being captured by the soviets who got drafted into their army and captured by the Germans, and again forced to fight in d-day. Now the actual plot of the protagonist about him being a runner, having a rivalry and dying is jack s###, but I’d like to know how how historically accurate it is

@rangergxi 6 жыл бұрын

A drinking game about historical inaccuracies with that would be suicide.

@cherisenunez2530 6 жыл бұрын

As a child he shared cocaine laced chewing gum with Queen Victoria... Cheers indeed!!

@Jake-zn1qr 6 жыл бұрын

Admit it. You had way too much fun with those trumpets.

@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын

heck yeah

@SunflowerSocialist 6 жыл бұрын

You need a cigar

@iammrbeat 6 жыл бұрын

You kind of look like a young Winston Churchill. #justsayin

@NormanMStewart 6 жыл бұрын

You mean Edmund from the Narnia movies?

@invisibleray6987 3 жыл бұрын

Young Winston

@chuckchumbucket 2 жыл бұрын

omg hi Mr. Beat. I love your videos

@metaforth1271 3 жыл бұрын

"will you stop interrupting me while I am interrupting you" I'm gonna have to use that

@harvestcanada 5 жыл бұрын

I found you through a History Buffs vid. I have watched your stuff, and I am very impressed, because of that I will watch the Free State of Jones because of your review and the historical context on which you build your critiques and your review on the movies you review. I was in to minds to get the Darkest Hour but, but now thanks to your review I won't especially as he did unforgivable and brutal things to his former-allies in the post war period. Keep up the excellent work, I will be watching more.

@TheAustinWoolShow 11 ай бұрын

Churchill was the embodiment of rolling a chaotic good bard in d&d.

@ycandrewsen8851 6 жыл бұрын

That underground scene was what made me start doubting the entire veracity as well. I already was confused by the bunker prior to the blitz though. I saw it on a plane because that's one of the only times I have for movies and couldn't start looking up the history immediately, so this was helpful!

@Bj-yf3im 5 жыл бұрын

World War II is not overdone when it comes to the role of China and the Soviet Union in it! There are hardly any movies about Chiang Kai-shek and Stalin!

@globial5329 3 жыл бұрын

Kai-shek was a dictator, who started a war against the communist party even tho he didn't have to, and massacred people living on the Yangtze River by flooding it. Of course Mao ain't any better, but still. Stalin was also a dictator and murdered his rivals, and committed massive silencing of freedom of speech.

@mycaleb8 3 жыл бұрын

@@globial5329 Stalin still did more for the war than anyone else, though it's hard to accurately judge how much credit he as an individual deserves. Kai-shek is complicated.

@Cailus3542 3 жыл бұрын

@@mycaleb8 Stalin didn’t do more for the war than anyone else. His soldiers did. Stalin was a genocidal monster who was only marginally better than Hitler, hence why historians don’t much enjoy looking at the guy. Throughout WW2, Stalin’s main contribution was learning to shut up and let his generals fight the war.

@mycaleb8 3 жыл бұрын

@@Cailus3542 True enough.

@Sammyandbobsdad 6 жыл бұрын

Churchill got into a “cavalry college?” Wow, he got into something that doesn’t exist. He got into Sandhurst, Britain’s military college, and because his grades were poor, he was placed in the cavalry (it was a common thought that in the cavalry, the horses had all the brains).

@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын

I just wanted emphasize the cavalry part (i was cavalry myself 😉)

@Sammyandbobsdad 6 жыл бұрын

The Cynical Historian my comment about horses having all the brains was what was said back then, and to be fair, in Britain it was where the put all the idiot sons of nobility because ... well, horses are smart.

@legalvampire8136 4 жыл бұрын

@@Sammyandbobsdad It was also more expensive for a cavalry officer to kit himself out than an infantry officer

@LeathanL 5 жыл бұрын

4:44: Money spent on booze and cigars is no "waste".

@steveholmes11 3 жыл бұрын

I blew most of it on booze and cigars - the rest I wasted.

@culshie 3 жыл бұрын

Damn you beat me too this quote from George Best but you missed Fast Women....

@julielevinge266 Жыл бұрын

Favourite Churchill line, woman tells him”if you were my husband I’d poison your coffee!” Churchill replied “ madam if you were my wife I’d drink it!” You say he wasn’t a man of the people, when in fact he convinced everyone that WW2 could be won!!

@Dragonblaster1 3 жыл бұрын

Churchill liked people to underestimate him, particularly people like Hitler and Stalin. He would be seen to drink brandy after brandy during the day. In fact, it would be the same or two brandies, successively topped up with water. Granted, he would pile it on after hours, but he was not a day-long drunkard.

@theolamp5312 6 жыл бұрын

Your exposition of this film is on point. This was a decent movie ( with some obvious flaws ). It was only elevated by Gary Oldman's performance. As a film, I much preferred Dunkirk.

@specialed1444 6 жыл бұрын

You forgot about that time he fought Teddy Roosevelt in an Epic Rap battle.

@Shenaniganator101 2 жыл бұрын

And won honestly its hard to tell who did i love churchill but teddy roosevelt is also hard as fuck

@automaton1740 4 жыл бұрын

I feel that it is important to note that Churchill's suggestions of Gas attacks did not mean mustard gas, he wanted to use tear gas to subdue civilian unrest and military forces to reduce the number of casualties on both sides. This is a practice that is used in nearly every MP force in the world.

@CynicalHistorian 4 жыл бұрын

he actually advocated mustard gas on Moscow in 1919, not tear gas

@automaton1740 4 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian upon a second pass, you're right. It was only in Africa and the Middle East that he wanted to use teargas, the Moscow thing was, in fact, Mustard Gas.

@NormanMStewart 6 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Winston and I share the same birthday (Nov 30th). I read his WWII series back in high school and it was certainly a fascinating look into his thoughts and the situations he was involved in. Those books were among my main inspirations for me to be a historian. Thank you, Winston. You and I may have opposing ideals and disagreements, but I respect you.

@ErikBramsen 6 жыл бұрын

My ex shared birthday with Adolf Hitler. She made me a believer in astrology.

@NormanMStewart 6 жыл бұрын

Adolf and astrology. Weird combination. (Also Columbine)

@chrisgibson5267 4 жыл бұрын

" I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered ". George Best. Footballer, man about town and natural philosopher.

@NikkiM. 6 жыл бұрын

Solid "Animaniacs" reference.

@copycatsworld7012 5 жыл бұрын

Yep, the English loved Churchill so much they immediately voted him out after the war.

@suspicioususer 5 жыл бұрын

3:31 you make it sound like giving arms so Poles can fight commies was a bad thing

@markcurtis4465 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I say everyone should give arms to anyone fighting communists, but I also dont know how British people would have viewed the Russo Polish War. It's possible it was unpopular at the time. The band Anthrax is awesome BTW.

@Scroteydada 3 жыл бұрын

@@markcurtis4465 Bolsheviks, please. We're not all authoritarian. Technically speaking, none of us are

@markcurtis4465 3 жыл бұрын

@@Scroteydada Are you saying you're a bolshevik?

@Scroteydada 3 жыл бұрын

@@markcurtis4465 no, a communist. Frustrated with how few people know what that means

@markcurtis4465 3 жыл бұрын

@@Scroteydada Please tell me you cant vote in The United States.

@disco1974ever 6 жыл бұрын

A huge thank you to everyone who has supported Cypher's Patreon. I'm just a fan and TCHs Patreons are feeding my habbit. THANK YOU!

@slayersboxer915 6 жыл бұрын

History has always been a passion of mine, glad I found your channel!

@markncl100 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, I certainly think you captured his essence mate.

@colonel__klink7548 9 ай бұрын

It's fun to see the inaccuracies and it's kind of sad that they might be too severe for this film to even meet the criteria of a "lie that tells the truth." A concept I first discovered reading fiction in Metro 2034 where a character, appropriately nicknamed "Homer" is obsessed with gathering stories, every book and magazine from before ww3. He gathers it all desperate to metabolize it all into one great epic, a piece of fiction so great that it can have the truth woven within it so that people will tell it around the campfires for the centuries to come and thereby never forget the important truths from before the war. It struck me there that the real Homer concocted a lie so great that thousands of years later we still remember, some men fought a stupid bloody war, it lasted years and was so terrible that the victors were lost for years after the last shield was dropped and some, some never truly returned. Thousands of years ago Homer sung about the stupidity of war and the horror of PTSD... I think that's what the Darkest Hour hoped to be but I think it failed. In truth at this time there was a chance that things could have gone the other way, the peace terms would have been good. All the UK had to do was... walk away. And yet, it's quite possible that the single most decisive decision in the war was the UK refusing to form some sort of a peace. Their army was smashed but the British navy sat astride the international shipping lanes... Denying Germany the oil it was desperate for. The ultimate result was Germany *de-motorized* large sections of it's army and invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 because it was the last possible moment that they'd have the fuel for an operation like that. Their goal was an impossibility... seize the Caucasian oil fields before the year was out, which they failed to do and thereby lost all hope of victory as the war became one of grinding attrition. The entire future of Europe and possibly the world hinged on the British deciding not to take the easy path and simply walk away.

@TheWolfgangGrimmer 6 жыл бұрын

Lots of information I didn't have in here, thanks for that. The surprises never seem to end with this colorful individual. We studied Churchill in high school of course, but there is no way my sheltered 17 year old mind at the time could have formed a solid perspective on such a layered figure.

@terryrussel3369 3 жыл бұрын

As my cousin the Professor says to every freshman class, NEVER watch a Hollyweard production alleging to represent history or literature and expect to pass a test or write a report.

@jonathanwebster7091 10 ай бұрын

Of course, “First Lord of the Admiralty”, despite its fancy name, really only means (well; meant, it’s no longer a thing) the government minister in charge of overseeing the Royal Navy, and likewise “Chancellor of the Exchequer” despite its lofty-sounding name, really just means what other countries would just call ‘the Finance Minister”.

@tobyblack9535 6 жыл бұрын

Weird thing to say, but to clarify something you said about the controversy around Edward 8ths attempt to marry a divorcee. For people that don't know, the major problem with it, enough to make him abdicate, wasn't the fact that he married someone who had been previously divorced. The American and legal systems back then were significantly different when it came to divorce. She divorced her husband in America because he abused and beat her regularly, something that has grounds for divorce in the US. In the U.K, that wasn't recognised as a legitimate reason for divorce, so under the British legal system she would have technically still been married. So the reason why it caused such a significant problem for both the legal and religious establishment wasn't that he was marrying a divorcee, but someone who was technically still married under British law.

@jamessheerin121 6 жыл бұрын

Not sure how it was pre-50s/60s but during the 50s and 60s abuse was under the 4 a's of divorce so it was a viable reason (edit, I forgot to clarify that this was under the British system)

@jackmueller1999 5 жыл бұрын

I would greatly appreciate if you took a look at 2004's Der Untergang! (Downfall in English). Phenomenal movie that paints the enemy as human characters as opposed to glorified cinematic villains. I hope to say it is very accurate!

@gonzalesrafael22 6 жыл бұрын

this video brought to you by Winchester Rye. The official drink of hardcore historians everywhere!

@zoliathan 3 жыл бұрын

Note to self try Winchester rye.

@kendra7010 6 жыл бұрын

As someone who has an interest in WWII I couldn’t even get through half the movie. The inaccuracies were driving me mad

@MoxieFirearms 3 жыл бұрын

I just watched this movie and then found your video. I was disgusted at the film. The guy doesn't have a presence like Churchill, doesn't have a personality like Churchill. I felt like the actor didn't truly understand Churchill. And he doesn't sound like him either. His cadence is all wrong. He made Churchill seem like a sheltered mama's boy. Working in bed, worried about what to say to Parliament. Churchill spoke with confidence, and brought confidence to the Island. But he spoke subtly and softly, but strongly. If you want a good representation of Churchill, or good account of history, watch something else. I regretted renting this. You are so right, I wish I had seen your video first, or maybe I was just too excited about seeing a movie about Winston.

@Drongobee 6 жыл бұрын

I watched this entire video not realising I had a tiny Churchill staring at me on my desk. He's front and centre on the new five pound note, and its good to understand more about him. Thanks for this video!

@R00365 4 жыл бұрын

Really good content. Thanks 👍

@orionaugustwatson 3 жыл бұрын

Late to the party with an unasked story:- Honestly as an English lad , whose paternal ancestors were most likely Churchill enthusiasts and whose maternal ancestors were freedom fighters from Bengal ,this movie was difficult for me to enjoy. I love Gary Oldman but other than the acting, everything else was buffoonish to me. Especially since the colonial history in British schools is already pretty let's say.. washed...to begin with .

@SC-vj4wv 2 жыл бұрын

Well I'm from Bengal and there's comparatively little attention being paid to his role in the famine here too!

@RSTBKT 3 жыл бұрын

even if it was fake I could still enjoy the story and connect with the characters where as in Dunkirk, it was hard to have any emotion in it, I felt like I was lying to myself trying to believe I enjoyed Dunkirk

@saint_silver 6 жыл бұрын

I love your work and enjoy your personality but that hat is a no no, cringe

@Knight860 Жыл бұрын

For American Audiences, British First Lord of the Admiralty is the equivelant of the American Secretary of the Navy and Chancellor of the Exchequer is basically Secretary of the Treasury. Churchill also technically was not the first person to use the term "Iron Curtain" Joseph Gobbels used it in a broadcast in February 1945 about how the Soviet Union would cut off their conquered territories from the world.

@CynicalHistorian Жыл бұрын

The first usage of the term to refer to the soviets was Vasily Rozanov _The Apocalypse of Our Time_ in 1918. So that's likely where Churchill got it

@Knight860 Жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian Very true.

@Idahoguy10157 4 жыл бұрын

Upper crust Brits had a tradition of ignoring their children. Using nannies, tutors, and boarding schools as proxy parents. Churchill was grief stricken when his parents fired the nanny who raised him.

@joyjones8231 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers my dude, cheers, lol. I think everyone needs more trumpets in life announcing their grandiose titles.

@julielevinge266 Жыл бұрын

Churchill definitely did inherit quite a mess at Dunkirk, 3,000 men against 5.000.000!!

@dovidrotenberg4690 Жыл бұрын

Yes the "tube" scene was as rubbish as they come, forever the upper class snob. However as he complained to his valet for his rudeness which was reciprocal, "but I am a great man!" It's interesting how tobacco and spirits can consume so much of one's budget. Pity the readership who had to endure his bombastic know it all prose to support his indulgences!!!

@samwallaceart288 5 жыл бұрын

Also, anyone else get the feeling that this movie beginning with the secretary's first day on the job is low-key ripping off Der Untergang's beginning? Except in Der Untergang, Hitler's secretary is the main POV throughout the movie, and it's important to early on establish what the nature of her relationship to the man was. Whereas in Darkest Hour, they use the secretary as a jumpoff point but pretty much drop her from any story relevance by the mid 2nd act.

@samwallaceart288 5 жыл бұрын

BTW, if the idea of a WWII movie about Hitler's secretary sounds like a good idea; watch Der Untergang. It's matter-of-fact, brutal, historically accurate, and the best movie I have ever watched. Even having to read subtitles, the movie surpasses A Bridge Too Far and Band of Brothers IMO.

@johnlogan2732 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man!

@pinkasey 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review, really. An insignificant sidenote caught my attention - You said that the Dresden firestorm was not planned, how could that be? The bombers were loaded with heavy bombs to blow the roofs out, followed by incindiary bombs to create a fire. And the old part of town was chosen because it was wooden and crowded. The raid was a successful beyond it's planners' hopes. Am I getting something wrong? Again - This is insignificant side note to this excellent video, I'm only asking because it sticks out and I'm curious.

@gilgalad17580 3 жыл бұрын

You missed how key was Clement Attlee (lead of Labour Party during the war, and PM after it) who played a key role in that moment but is almost entirely absent from the movie.

@NickH-ku2jy 3 жыл бұрын

Wait, the firestorm of Dresden was accidental? I thought they threw hundreds of firebombs on the city. If that true, it must be on purpose

@yvonnesanders4308 2 жыл бұрын

It's war. They bombed Coventry. We should feel bad because?

@Moonchild1607 6 жыл бұрын

He's the most successful junkie that ever lived!

@disco1974ever 6 жыл бұрын

What about Sherlock Holmes???????

@disco1974ever 6 жыл бұрын

wait

@Moonchild1607 6 жыл бұрын

In case you didn't know alcohol is a hard drug and very destructive to your body when it's consumed on a daily basis.

@ezekeiltheprophe7688 5 жыл бұрын

Heartless he was one of many. He had a good ride though, and done more than a handful of good things for his people. That being said, he was a terrible alcoholic and most likely used many other "drugs".

@tnerbtnerb5136 4 жыл бұрын

Churchill: Not even in the ballpark of being a nice or even decent person half the time. But Britain in her darkest hour didn't need a gentleman, it needed a diehard patriot and cutthroat warrior And thankfully that's what they got

@MrUndersolo 3 жыл бұрын

Reading the William Manchester 'Last Lion' trilogy (on the last book which covers main period of the film). Thank you for this analysis. I had my doubts about it the moment I saw of clip of him on the Underground... And what do you think of the Manchester series?

@onuscronus984 6 жыл бұрын

It remind me of "The Kings Speech" except it Was "The Prime Minister's Speech".

@Avitymist 3 жыл бұрын

My impression of Churchill is that he had some uh, spicy takes he took on the heavy responsibility of getting Britain through ww2 and succeeded, therefore fortifying himself as a idol figure. or at least thats how I took it

@jonathanwilde5337 3 жыл бұрын

I think it's a bit misguided to vitriolise his election loss after the war. The opposition were planning the NHS (socialised healthcare), this was hugely supported by the people of which many were homeless from the blitz, injured and maimed from war, and suffering from little medical supplies reaching Britain due to German blockades. So it wasn't a kinda of 'oh he wasn't popular' but more a case of people wanted cheaper healthcare access.

@AshlandMan 6 жыл бұрын

Damn, I love you're videos! Do you think you will ever do Fury? I mean you're a former tanker, and it's a very divisive movie among historians.

@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын

I haven't heard any historians complain about it. The historians I've talked to about the movie all said they liked it, but that's just the folks I know. Do you have a link to a discussion on that?

@AshlandMan 6 жыл бұрын

I can try to find, though it may have been taken down. Pork Chop Hill might be interesting. Just dying to see something about Korea. Lol

@AshlandMan 6 жыл бұрын

The Cynical Historian kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aZd2lqqa07bQY2w.html

@samwhitbread234 4 жыл бұрын

So am I the only one that thinks it is a little odd trying to paint Winston Churchill as the "everyman" and "one with the common man" Like this is not how the British (well English) tend to see their heroes, except for robin hood, (who is sometimes described to be a noble anyway) they are almost always people of the upper class, mostly kings. It feels like an American view being used where being one with the people is seen as a virtue.

@AnCoilean 4 жыл бұрын

He didn't just secretly help loyalist paramilitaries in Ireland , he established the dreaded black and tans

@maxheadroom3839 6 жыл бұрын

The language is called English you are spelling it the wrong way.

@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын

...English *, so* you are... You've gotta write a proper English sentence to correct someone else, m8 LOL

@maxheadroom3839 6 жыл бұрын

The Cynical Historian The thing you think is most wrong with the sentence is the point it was making.

@matsand4719 2 жыл бұрын

Take too much space why dont I? The BIG inaccuracies Atlee first told Chamberlain in a private meeting Labour would only support Chamberlains request to join a coalition if it was under another Prime Minister (PM). It was not on the floor of the Commons. And theres no evidence of Labour indicating a the PM preference. Chamberlain held a meeting with Churchill and Halifax together rather than with his buddies to discuss who it should be. Halifax told them he might not be acceptable because the convention is the PM must be from the House of Commons not the Lords. The war cabinet met every day for 5 days discussing whether to seek peace talks. Churchill hoped to hold both Calais and Dunkirk and war cabinet were not informed Calais was about to fall. The film didnt mention the German tanks advance was stopped for a day so the infantry could catch up But (after speculating on what Germany might ask for) it was Neville Chamberlain who turned the debate telling them he knew from experience one cannot rely on Hitler to stick to terms first offered. He proposed they report to full cabinet they recommend not to seek peace talks. Churchills meeting with full cabinet in the Commons committee room was similar to the film. But not quoting those met on the underground journey (that never happened) The final "Fight them on the beaches" speech is slightly edited from the original and not broadcast live on the radio. Churchill afterwards read it again for a radio broadcast. [see the book "5 Days in London" by historian John Lukacs]

@nomduclavier 6 жыл бұрын

Well there goes my King/ Churchill fanfiction

@tomlomax9909 5 жыл бұрын

This movie stunk. One of most bizarre, least accurate portrayals of Churchill ever created.

@auntyangie33 5 жыл бұрын

Once again film makers show they are too simplistic to make good historical films. Having Chamberlain incorrectly plotting against Churchill so they have a 'baddy'.

@davidprieto655 6 жыл бұрын

@The Cynical Historian-I love your content, would you consider doing the film United 93, directed by Paul Greengrass or the film Rosewood, directed by John Singleton or Anthropoid by Sean Ellis. Also, have you ever consider doing video of shows based on actual events such as Paramount Networks WACO or Hulu's The Looming Tower?

@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын

I'm writing and researching Waco right now

@davidprieto655 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, I enjoy your work. I'm honored you are, may I suggest watching the documentary of Waco: Rules of Engagement. I found it hard when researching it and found this one to be the most credible and the book by David Thibodeau Waco: A Survivor Story a good and objective book on the Waco Siege. I wish you the best of luck because this is the most Controversial and most complex incident I have ever researched and Learned and even went to the site in Waco, Tx. I wish you success in the future.

@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын

Gotta say that "rules of engagement" is riddled with problems, but i have seen it (the show is a better depiction than the documentary). The memoir was an important part of the show, since the author was on set.

@davidprieto655 6 жыл бұрын

I have to agree with you that you are correct in comparing the documentary to the show. Also for the show, the use the memoir of FBI Negotiator, Gary Noesner's book, Stalling for Time, My Life as an FBI Hostage Negotiator. Hopefully, this will help with your research as well and he was also on set as well. Also, I would like to mention that Paramount Network made a video for each episode explaining the background of the material present though they seem have taken most of the videos away except for the last two. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/brN9nZqXmNvThY0.html Hope this helps.

@davidprieto655 6 жыл бұрын

Also here's one of the video's of David Thibedeau talking of his book and the events in the Waco siege, it's not the only one but I found it really interesting, perhaps you'll see why. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r8yfh5mIuaeZZ30.html

@Tommy-5684 6 жыл бұрын

i think Margret thatcher was given a state funeral at her death in 2013 the ceremony around her funeral was a very contentious issue in and of its self given her deceive ledership

@williamfrancis5367 6 жыл бұрын

Actually it was a ceremonial funeral.

@Tommy-5684 6 жыл бұрын

its still simmler in sentiment and even a ceremonial funeral was contentions a state funral would have probably caused Liverpool to riot or something

@SunflowerSocialist 5 жыл бұрын

Liverpool, Wales, Scotland and much of Northern Ireland would be in flames if there was a state funeral for her (and I’d join them)

@Skelingtronnn 5 жыл бұрын

Nitpicker here. Person in 5:35 isn't Neville Chamberlain, but Anthony Eden!

@Nagarath16 6 жыл бұрын

Would you ever do Catch Me if You Can?

@pearlfisher2813 6 жыл бұрын

Churchill was literally chased out of Dundee when he was a member of parliament . People threw stones at his house breaking several windows and demanded he leave at once or suffer the consequences. He and his wife had to flee for their lives. Good fucking riddance.

@Elixor43579 6 жыл бұрын

Could you consider reviewing either the kings speech or Schindler’s list? I would like to hear your opinion on those movies.

@spacemarinechaplain9367 6 жыл бұрын

12:37 I knew Stannis didn’t die, he just got transported to Second World War era Britain.

@freakyold 3 жыл бұрын

It was the Underground scene that I was most suspicious of. Thank you for clearing that up. It's too bad it was made up - it was a really cool scene!

@ttff-bd2yf 2 жыл бұрын

The scene and the bunker scenes were obviously added to convey a message. Not all cinema, and literature is meant to tell, it's meant to shoe. Just telling you the british people had a strong will and were willing to fight on. That would be boring. Now having a scene were that's depicted is entertaining, and conveys the message. Also he made an entire video about " the darkest hour" without explaining Churchill knew, and acknowledges in the speech that refusing peace from the axis powers could mean absolute annihilation. Operation barbarossa would not happen for almost exactly a year, shortly after the speech was given the axis powers would invade north Africa. Great Britain now stands basically alone against Germany (a seemingly invincible opponent), italy, and the entire Soviet Union. Great Britain accepting peace really is not good. The movie is about Churchill, and the British people choosing between possible annihilation, or surrender ( vastly furthering Nazi Germany's plans). This review was incredibly whiney and I will not be watching another of his videos.

@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын

Great, just what historical films needed - more mythologizing. I sigh. EDIT: Wait, the firestorm was accidental? I thought that was a legitimate bombing technique. Flatten an area to rubble with conventional bombs and then hit it with the incendiary stuff to ignite all of that fresh kindling. I'm not trying to make a moral judgement call or anything, I just had always read that it was intentional and not exactly unheard of, though not on such a scale. The same thing happened - though much worse - in the Firebombing of Tokyo. I wonder if there are any old handbooks or whatever from the time period that might shed light on this.

@StNick9830 6 жыл бұрын

Why is it that no one seems to be able to pronounce "boer"? The correct pronunciation sounds like saying boo, but then you append an 'R'. Quite simple.

@BrySchec 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, half of my family is Anglo South African and they pronounce it similar to that too. Guess it isn't heard by non-South Africans

@oldgringo2001 3 жыл бұрын

~5:30 Churchill became First Lord of the Admiralty for the second time in 1939 just when war came, the "our time" for peace having lasted about 11 months, and didn't become Prime Minister until May 10, 1940, So it was more like eight months rather than a few days later.

@burningbox6660 6 жыл бұрын

6:48 God I love that scene!

@schizoidboy 6 жыл бұрын

To take a paraphrase from a Bond flick I got this to say, getting Hollywood to do anything historically accurate is like finding a virgin in a maternity ward. I'm also reminded that when Field Marshal Montgomery remarked to Churchill that he didn't drink or smoke and he was a hundred percent fit Churchill replied that he "drank and smoked and was two hundred percent fit." It might not have been true but he did live into his early nineties which was an accomplishment considering everything he went through health wise.

@Jameshighcock 5 жыл бұрын

3:45 hmmmm how accurate is that statement haha

@Kabayoth 5 жыл бұрын

Got a book for you as well to look into: All the Shah's Men Churchill was heavily involved as well.

@TheJavaMonkey 5 жыл бұрын

At least Gary Oldman gave a hell of a performance.

@CSMartin 4 жыл бұрын

America is the only country in the world that doesn't use the letter 'u' in words like behaviour, colour, neighbour, and so forth.

@joyjones8231 3 жыл бұрын

It's 3am, on a CH binge, how did I miss this one?

@kylez8010 6 жыл бұрын

I'd be interested in your thoughts on Young Winston (1972), which I saw on TCM several months ago. Not available through Netflix, but Amazon shows it is on dvd. Man, Netflix needs to get it together.

@ypoque283 4 жыл бұрын

Chuchill was friends with Bernard Baruch who was a long-term supporter of the democrats and Woodrow Wilson and served in his administration during WW1. I believe he helped Churchill out financially at some point.

@JurijFedorov 6 жыл бұрын

What historical movie do you want to see? I write screenplays and could use an idea for some historical event or person to write a movie about just for fun.

@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын

I would love to finally get a movie about the Russian Intervention (1918-1920)

@JurijFedorov 6 жыл бұрын

Sounds expensive but quite interesting. Don't know if I want to write something about Russia as I am from there myself and am a bit tired of all stuff Russia related. But I totally would watch such a movie.

@AudieHolland 5 жыл бұрын

It's funny how almost every actor portraying Churchill, gives him this low toned, slow paced voice all the time. He only did that on a few occasions in Parliament, after the conclusion of Operation Dynamo and in a speech thanking the RAF fighterpilots for winning the Battle of Britain. When he was in America in 1942, his voice sounded very different. A bit higher in pitch, possibly because he thought Americans would doze off if he used his "We shall fight them…" voice mode. Anyway, he could 'do' different voices depending on the historical situation.