Daemon’s reaction tricked me too!🤣 I was like “Didn’t viserys decide to give him aid? Isn’t this a good thing? Why is he beating up a poor soldier all of a sudden?”. Little did I know Daemon would rather have himself killed than give Viserys the credit for the war😭

@@kryyl I feel like Daemons pride was hurt that his big brother was trying to bail him out so he get super pissed about it. The whole point of the war was to remove the crab feeder and prove themselves. You can’t prove yourself if your get helped out by big bro.

@@Augustus0802 That’s true! This only occurred to me after watching the episode. If daemon didn’t win the war in his terms (with no help from anybody in order to prove himself to viserys), then there’s no point to him winning.

I didn’t realize daemon was Valyrian for big baby

@@travelandgardennow4717 go away

Both covered in blood

@@xBenQCatx Fire and Blood 😉

@@thesilvernymph yessssss

They both lost it and beat/stabbed the shit outta something

yup if i was the director id be like "no notes: keep doing what youre doing cos its fire"

I was saying the same thing! He’s really done a fantastic job!

He really stole every scene

He's been doing great work on UK TV and film for years. Glad he's getting international recognition now.

Viserys?

Yep, they could've done the GoT trick of not showing the battle and I would've been satisfied with Daemon dragging the crab feeder

Off topic but love ur pfp

I'm expecting them to be saving budget on the final battles as like the dance of dragons as we will see so many dragons at once

@@TheBNCyo People would complain a lot if they did that...

That moment when all the crab people went outside is GOT season 8 bullshit, no logic there.

Especially considering he's a Lannister/Lion.

That line just felt sooo much GOT in it

That was hilarious 😂😂

He spoke at the very beginning of the episode. He called for the Crabfeeder to come out of his hole, remember? 😉 But it was a brief line, so it's easy to see why people forgot about it. Nevertheless, his scene at the end was speechless. Literally & figuratively. It took my breath away, I was sitting on the edge of my couch freaking out. I'm a hitter when I get excited, and I was literally smacking my husband's leg & shouting "COME ON DAEMON COME ON, YOU CAN DO IT, KILL THAT POXY BASTARD" 😤🤣 lmaooo

He did at the beginning, but not at the end.

He had 2 lines at the start but the point holds. I love when he walked in whilst being insulted and he just straight up ignored Corlys Velaryon's brother and stared down all the soldiers, not a word was mentioned but you could see the visible weariness in them and how fed up they were. His stare solidified their loyalty out of fear through facial and body expression alone.

Daemon makes Ramsay Bolton look so polite and kind in comparison. Daemon truly is one of the most evil characters I have seen!!! 😱

@@costco_pizza How is Daemon comparable with Ramsay Bolton. Ramsay Bolton is cruel for the sake of cruelty and because of his enjoyment of torturing people. Daemon is just a very ambitious man who is pragmatic in his choices. Sometimes his emotions just take over which makes him unpredictable and dangerous, but not necessarily a bad person.

no its about how the elites that run everything dont give a shit about the people beneath them.

It illustrated that nearly all combatants in war are cannon fodder, no matter how much they believe in the cause. I liked it. I'd be honoured to be squashed by a dragon honestly. Kind of like the trex in Jurassic Park.

For me it was kinda morbid and scary, to think how humans are literally ants to dragons. He probably didn't intend on stepping on him since he didn't see him but he probably didn't even feel that man beneath his foot after crushing him. Who knows how many ants we kill the same way while they are just living their life. And for sure dragons burn to a crisp dozens of the Kingdom's soldiers every time they attack enemies with fire

I dont know, I think its more that they are shooting in volleys like you do in war rather than actually aiming. Cause if you aim that, at least a few archers are hitting per volley. Still, he was zig zagging and taking some cover at times so it makes sense he avoided them.

For real lmao. I dont think people understand how hard it is for archers to hit a moving target.

Yeah man, and if you look closely the archers are not that many.. so the chances of hitting a fast moving target suddenly stopping to attack some soldiers or to take cover was very slim.. People are expecting all archers are like the archers of the Persian Empire in 300.. too vast and many they can blot out the sun...haha

@Glirion I shot bows 3 years ago, you wont outrun a volley of well put 30 arrows at once and in sequence lol, why is wearing armor if the arrows penetrate it? Is just dumb

@@AuroraBoost actually, skilled archers back the could very easily hit moving targets. People complaining about daemons plot armour have a very valid point. The only way it’s even conceivable for a man to run through a field of arrows like that is if the archers literally picked up archery the day before. Think of the mongols, Comanche, samurais, nubians in ancient history. Men so deadly with the bow and arrow they could hit a target dead on while riding a horse in the midst of battle. Hitting a moving target is nothing to a decent archer.

Literally the biggest flaw of this action scene - he somehow forgot to wear any armor, knowing dozens of archers will try to kill him. Good plan

@@Averageenjoyer-br1zm He didn't forget. He deliberately did it to give him more speed. Daemon's not exactly the smartest guy anyway

@@hunterhorsehelmsley7315 Proper armor barely slows you down yet provides great protection against regular bows. Not wearing it was stupid.

@@Averageenjoyer-br1zm When you are going on a suicide run you rarely consider bringing protection

@@hunterhorsehelmsley7315 yeah, sacrificing your ability to tank arrows for +5% speed boost is smart asf. If you go to a shoot out, do not wear bullet proof west, try dodging bullets instead

finally, someone who understands statistics rather than just screaming plot armor about everything

Not to mention something they visually set up for anyone watching, there are broken ships everywhere he's using for cover.

Exactly! Arrows are not bullets, bows are not rifles with scopes. The reason we use guns today is because they're far more effective than a bow and arrow. If all were equal, no one would be buying guns and everyone would save money by making their own bow and arrow.

You're right. Archery is not easy, and they are a long way away from a small, moving target. Now, if that were Euron and Ramsey up on the cliff side, then of course every single arrow they fired would have hit Daemon in the neck.

@First Name Last Name what? 💀

Well it still was a bit convenient for him that the arrows always missed him by some meters while he was running. I mean when 20 people shoot arrows on a person multiple times the probability to hit him is still high. Especially as they have the high ground.

I dont understand the obsession with the arrow shit. Like you are watching a fantasy show with Gods, destiny, sorcery, dragons, etc. So you have a problem with battle of the bastards because a bunch of arrows missed a dude with a destiny written ages ago. lol Getting hung up on hyper realism in a fantasy tv show is beyond the stupidest thing ever. You in the wrong genre if these are your issues.

@@CulperCast - Exaaactly 🤷🏻‍♀️🙄💯

@@CulperCast the appeal of got and hotd for me ( and what a lot of people are looking for in these series ) is realism set in a fantasy world. This isnt lord of the rings or something like that, characters die or survive in logical or at least plausible ways. This was a bad way of making Damon survive in my opinion, plot armor to its fullest extent .

They are probably just over analysing because of the bitter taste that the battle of the bastards left in their mouths.

It will slow down once we get to season 2, it just has to go at this pace initially because that's how the source material is.

@@AVerySillySausage 100% I understand this. It's just something that I've noticed.

@@AVerySillySausage honestly Paddy stepped up this episode as well.

Well the first 3 episodes of season 1 of game of thrones happened in the span of around 3-6 months and by the time the season finale happened it had already been a year or two

It doesn't feel as dense either. I loved rewatching GoT early seasons over and over. Each time catching bits I had missed. Ive rewatched a few HotD but there isnt too much rewatch value. Its very spare and easy to take in all in one go. Fewer characters, and just doesnt feel as immersive.

Jon snow beating the piss out of ramsay whole covered in blood was pretty bad ass

Low bar to pass over, but it's a nice effort.

Jon : Yu mah queen

Daenerys dude pls consider your words

Arya and Daenerys had very great scenes in season 7 and 8

Most people claiming he has plotarmor there think that these soldiers are fucking Hawkeye It's gotten pretty normalized for people wielding bows in TV shows to shoot it with the precision of a modern Elite Sniper, but in reality it was just spray and pray. Modern Soldiers with actual Assault Rifles aren't able to hit a running target at that distance.

I agree I feel when he read the letter he wanted to end the war as quickly as possible without his brothers help. Kinda like his pride was on the line and that was what lead to a reckless but worth while tactic.

Hitting an army with a volley is easy but one man running full tilt from that distance is pretty difficult. I only wished they had faked out the Crab feeder by sending a small group to save Daemon and pull him back. Crab feeders sends his army to counter after checking again for dragons. Then the full Valeryon arm cuts down the now exposed men. There was no reason to send a whole army to get an injured Daemon and a small change would make sense even if they made the plan on the fly after Daemons mad rush.

@@Goetterkomplex_ dozens of soldiers with modern life assault rifles would hit a moving target at that distance in a matter of seconds…. I have no idea where you’re getting this idea that either the weapons, or the men trained to fire them are this inaccurate.

@@pedroaldrete2994 Nope. They absolutely wouldn't. US Army Soldiers, who are among the best trained in the world reach a 30% accuracy rate on stationary targets at 300m. And that is when you're calmly aiming with zero pressure. Practically speaking, in range-unknown shooting and especially in combat, actual accuracy gets absolutely terrible beyond about 100 meters. Shooting on a range and shooting on fleeting targets that are moving quickly are different. On a fast moving target easily 500m away like Daemon here, there is not a single Soldier in the world that can hit that with accuracy. Not only because of human error but because our weapons straight up *can't*. Upper range for most Assault Rifles is ~300-400m since that's when when the bullet slows down enough to go from supersonic to transonic; When that happens, it begins to tumble through the air and becomes completely inaccurate. Tl;dr: No modern soldiers with the exception of Snipers would be able to hit Daemon except through dumb luck

Jaime would destroy Daemon

@@cmd7930 he really wouldn't. prime Jaime was never actually THAT good a fighter. true master swordsman would be ambidextrous.

I think Jaime would win in a hard fought duel although i think Daemon is more intellectually sound than Jaime ever was in GOT. Jaime was only really an exceptional swordsman with no other layers to him.

@@michaelkean5969 no he actually was said by the greatest kings guard to be the most natural talent he's ever witnessed or trained.

Yep

What's RoP stands for?

Ah nevermind, it's Ring of Power😅

@@kenrickhk Rise of Peppa

Everything is good I just hate that they race swapped the valeryons

Daemon is not a villain, more of an anti hero

@@s8theninjawarrior916 well, at the moment he acts more as a villain. And the whole idea of anti hero is being partially evil. So yeah, whether he plays a villain or an anti hero - Matt is great at it 👍

@@gaunterodimm8764 incorrect, read the definition of the anti-hero and evil.

@Gaunter O'Dimm, Matt Daemon.

@@forsakenjones4695 oh God no, please no, no, nooooooo… idk why but I don’t like Matt Damon… creeps me out a bit. But I see what you did there and you sir deserve a like from me 😂

Exactly

yeah its fine but some people are like why he didnt take one to the head lol so basically they wanted Daemon to be unlucky and die rather than build and develop his character which is weird

@@aminetanouyat9643 People think that every medieval archer is hawkeye lol...

I felt like this was a joke with the battle of the bastards, like, "Do you think that Daemon will be like Jon Snow? Running without being hit?Hahahahah NO" *Daemon being hit by multiple arrows*

Yep

He not the best fighter

@@r_brucewayne3888. OF.HIS.ERA, please read mate before you reply.

@@Anten-Isy yea still no

@@r_brucewayne3888 cool story dude

All the while Viserys killed a stag that was tied down for him, and had a clean kill without blood shed on him.

@@mourdinethesaharabian4298 it was not even much of a clean kill.

I really like Rhaenyra and Daemon. Not characters to mess with.

That stag kill was fairly gruesome as he left it in pain as after the first hit. The white stag appeared to Rhaenyra.

yes I was like come on hit him by now even in the leg lol and it happened and they also cornered him which was eventually bound to happen. But people are like oh he has plot armor this is not George stuff but no he had a plan and he carried it out with skill, bravery and a bit of luck.

And he got hit when he stayed stationary...

Same 🤷🏻‍♀️😕 We were led to believe he was special. "The Prince That Was Promised, Who Would Bring the Dawn", and all that. I guess D&D his 19yr old little sister could do better...

EXACTLY.

Laena Valaryon could've written a better scrip

i was under that impression cause yea i was thinking well if he has magical lord of light watching doesn't have to worry about being trampled,arrows..etc any outside force really,but nah just need him for a yelling match against an ice dragon even though it was close enough all he had to do was slightly poke it with his sword and it would've died

Thanks! That was one other thing that bothered me that I didn't bring up, but surely all the archers who have a high vantage point would have spotted an approaching fleet.

thing is, you have basically the leader of the opposite faction, that has been killig your buds by dozens on top of his dragon, that comes alone, without a full armor, and with a white flag to "apparently" surrender (low key Daemon did a war crime). If I was fighting in this faction I would keep my eyes on him. One because it would give me satisfaction to see the bastard nailed on the beach and given to crabs, two because I know he's dangerous and I don't want him to do anything that would lead to further death in my friends. Daemon was the perfect bait, especially since they established there was a personnal conflict between him and the crab feeder in the begenning of the episode.

@@matthieuzglurg6015 I see your point, but this is an universe where, hopefully, people won’t just “kinda forget” about other threats to themselves

@@matthieuzglurg6015 war crimes aren't a thing there lol

@@joaquimassis5642 yea you're right in that regard , but i think (i might be wrong), it`s been three years since the war started and daemon rely a lot on his dragon + the greyscals took tole on the crabfeeder from the way it`s portrayed , you can see his (the crabfeeder )attention is fully on the dragon (looking to the sky) and not for the support on the ground .. i sound like am defending the show but i've seen worst ;so i guess that at least kinda better than forgeting about the biggest fleet , while going to destroy the fleet lol (GOT 8) . i'm kinda glad how it turned out

I think he's in his early thirties at this point. He's about sixteen years older than Rhaenyra

@@delightfulmochas Well, he's forty-five during the Battle above the God's Eye. Aemon, who is currently in his mother's womb, is twenty during the same duel. I know the show may change it, but I thinks it helps in showing Daemon's growth over time.

@@delightfulmochas they aged rhaenyra up in the show so it’s a 10 yr age gap i think

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Would you really have preferred 3 episodes of fighting the crab feeder? How it went was well executed they fought for 3 years and Daemon ended the fighting to avoid insult by being helped by the crown.

Or he could have just carried a shield

I think maybe the issue was that they wanted to put this at the end of this episode so there wasn't much more time to carefully develope the battle scene, at least to me it felt a bit rushed. Foreshadowing the battle and showing it in the next episode would have given them more time to set it up and make it less confusing to watch. First time watching the scene I was really wondering what was going on but after rewatching it and reading some comments on the episode it made much more sense to me. I think, if the show had established this understanding by itself, a lot of confusion about the scene could have been avoided...

@@italianodblaugrana3842 didn’t need 3 years to come up with this plan

Maybe it was just supposed to show how years of having grey scale affected his mind. He looked pretty rough by the time Daemon finally got to him

same.

I think it’s a little different because Daemon was wearing armour (or at least it looked like he was wearing amour at the beginning with Caraxes) but in the battle of the bastards Jon Snow wasn’t really wearing any Edit: okay so I was looking at the wrong episodes and just realized that you’re completely right

Daemon was running through enemies like the Night King was raising his fallen ones

He was running through cover and smoke. Bows aren’t rifles

Ramsey bolton woulve one shot daemon

@@ghostlyjasper7581 Jon was also fighting with the support of his comrades and calvary at his back. Daemon was alone, taking on a dozen guys. In the first episode of HotD we see Daemon get beaten, albeit closely, by Sir Crispy. This implies that Sir Crispy is either the f**king GOAT of melee in the seven kingdoms, or Daemon juiced up on some sour leaf and milk of the poppy before going into battle

😂😂

I had to laugh and felt bad...

The way I read that scene was that the cave system was so large that it wouldn't matter if a dragon literally blew fire directly into the cave, the pirates could just move deeper, not to mention that you can see multiple entrances just in the battle scene alone.

@@OsaculnenolajO Yep

Matt Smith is a great actor

I think you’re forgetting he has grayscale and grayscale starts fucking with your mind after it reaches a certain infection level he was probably not in his right mind during this at all

@@frostbite2179 didn't he had it at beginning of this war? Also, I thought it was a burn wound from previous battles against dragons.

I rationalize this by saying Daemon was the only dragon rider present. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think we'd seen Leanor Velaryon riding Sea Smoke up until this point. For all the crab feeder and the audience knows, Daemon being on the ground means his dragon is out of the equation.

@@MoonWeasel23 he was looking at the skies all time though. he knew there was something wrong

@@frostbite2179 If his mind was fucked up he wouldnt be made commander of triarchy forces in the first time.His greyscale is probably inactive like the one shireen baretheon has

Yeah, it was his idea.

@@awesimo4684 Yeah, while I was reading books I got impression that he is more emotional and insecure.

Yyyyyes! I can already see if they had done all three of what you suggested, the battle would be much more grounded, especially with a POV shot of the archers!

Fr people don’t understand arrows aren’t guns and are not at all accurate especially from distance

That would help, but there are many more issues with that battle sequence. Maybe If you extended that list to 10 points.

@@milanhvozdik3379 What other issues do you think there are?

@@wayothefro3249 I overreacted a bit, those 3 pretty much cover most of it

Maybe grrm has finally learned killing great characters before the final battle leads to a trash ending

Well… it didn’t protect him from arrows did it?

@@pastlife960 If you can continue fighting it doesn't really seem like the arrows made a big deal or really slowed you down tho. :D

@@dvdv8197 well that's the point of wearing an armor

@@dvdv8197 he literally had to drag himself on the ground to get cover and lay there as he took out the arrows... that means he was slowed down. He's one of the best warriors in the world at this point, pretty sure he'd have great stamina

Cheers

It was necessary risk to send all infantry into the open to surround and not attack one wounded dude that you need killed? One more small group that would actually do something would be enough. Also, agree that hitting him with arrows would be hard, but he dodged 9 volleys and arrows were shown to be landing quite tightly packed all around him. That was just too much. And when they finally hit him, they penetrated his chest plate for some reason and he just brushed it off like nothing. They could show how that plate deflects some arrows during running scenes, on at leas one hit him during that time to the shoulder or something or actually display how hard it is to hit him from archer perspective and everything would be fine. And how did the army teleport there without anyone noticing when trebuchetting passing boats is literally the whole purpose of crabfeeders? They sure had to have some people that can see ships coming towards them. And how is the one archer focusing on Daemon the only one noticing a dragon just when it is too late? Was it in stealth the whole time? No scouts whatsoever. How was that band of incompetents able to survive years of war if they were this dim. This battle was all kinds of stupid. It reminded me of last few seasons of GoT. Which is understandable, since the guy that mishandled battles there is of the show runners now.

@@milanhvozdik3379 The only real issue to me is like you said, how did no one notice the approaching army. Albeit that's a pretty big issue. The archery, again, makes sense. We don't need a view showing how hard it is for the archers, people should already know that. And clearly the previous wave strategy wasn't working so crab feeder is like fuck it, get em boys. The battle scene isn't perfect, but it's getting bashed way more than is deserved for a 3 minute battle scene that was really more a Daemon character building moment than anything.

@@nnatz-6810 well it's a stark contrast with the rest of the show and the rest of the episode as well, that went pretty consistently without many wtf moments. If I wasn't invested I wouldn't care that much.

@@nnatz-6810 so crabfeeder sending the whole army instead of 10 guys to kill daemon wasnt an issue? Also crabfeeder was doing an attrition warfare and he was clearly winning as you see in the war counsel scene with velaryons.Whole battle scene was straight out of a kids show really and was extremly contrived

Yes, but in the lore, it is also implied that Targaryens are immune to greyscale, specifically. Not immune to ALL illness. of course. But I do wonder if that ALSO has to do w/the implications of Valarians having literally dragon blood in them. As in, they really ARE part Dragon. (ie: Mated w/them in the past somehow through sex magic, blood magic, etc.) 🤔🐉 The lore can take you deep down a rabbit hole let me tell you, lmao...

They said in one of the behind-the-scenes videos that Craghas does indeed have greyscale. You can also see that it has advanced since the time jump. And Daemon's aunt, Septa Maegelle, died of greyscale. I will have to look again, but I thought maybe Daemon was dragging Craghas by the cuff. Still, the clothing would be contaminated.

@@KabbalahSherry that's wrong. Dragons r actually magical in nature cause a dragon is a wyvern /firewyrm hybrid. So this magic is connected with the dragonlords

This worked my nerves. I was bitching to my husband that Jorah contracted greyscale from a small, insignificant touch. Daemon fought the Crabfeeder in a tight space. In addition to dragging his half corpse, he should have been splashed in blood.

@@KabbalahSherry oh wow, i’m pretty familiar with the lore but I wasn’t aware that the Targaryens were supposed to be immune to greyscale.

Yeah it has its bad moments here and there like this and crabfeeder sending the whole army to kill one guy but i think it is close enough in terms of quality to earlier seasons

its impossible for a dragon to join a fight without its rider. it will just kill everyone both his allies and enemies

1. Sea smoke is “invisible” which makes him better for a surprise attack 2. No rider+ needs rest just like humans

@@cjjk9142 exactly bro Seasmoke is pale white so he's hard to see

@@titusdaniel3962 aight, well drogon did come to dany's aid without her riding him at the start of the sons of the harpy confrontation

@@matthew77eyes33 if you are referring to the arena ambush I believe that was more the blood and noise attracting him and Daenerys just making the best of the situation

Absolutely. All of Viserys' scenes were 10/10

@@cba2make1up yeah and Milly and Matt were amazing too IMO

Still a great episode, but it has many questionable parts where the previous two didn't.

@@milanhvozdik3379 absolutely yeah. Let's hope the important battles don't have this many instances of plot armor

😂

And how far away they are

For real, they were firing medevil bows, at a moving target from meters away! And the legendary swordsman they were shooting at, was doing somersaults cutting through their men & occasionally taking cover too. 🤦🏻‍♀️🙄 lmao So of course most of them missed. Plus, nobody takes into account that most of them were just mercenaries - nobody said anything about them being EXPERT level bowmen ffs. And we saw that Daemon did in fact get hit, soooo... it's not like he wasn't in ANY danger. He very well could have died & I felt that worry, despite already knowing the story! People are just nitpicking this show to death, in ways they NEVER did the earlier seasons of GoT. 🙄 And I mean I get it... trust was broken. But these are new showrunners, who at least care about the lore & have involved George in everything, every step of the way. I really wish people could just RELAX, and give the show a chance, instead of literally looking for things to b*tch about. They're all such small mistakes or gripes... why even bother bringing them up?? They've done a brilliant job so far. Let Us f*cking celebrate it.

@@KabbalahSherry Why do you think Mercenaries are inexperienced? You realise being a mercenary meant you were competent in the art of war? Why would a king hire a very expensive mercenary company if they're no better then the farm hands of his own land? The lack of education is baffling.

That’s why men would choose you over her

Perhaps she knows his (physical) pain

That is maybe true, but he dodged 9 volleys and he wasn't in any kind of cover for most of them. That is just too much. They could have filmed the scene so that it doesn't look so stupid, but it really did.

@@milanhvozdik3379 He had a lot of cover... There were a dozen of wrecked ships in the beach, arrows aren't bullets, hitting a fast moving target from that distance isn't an easy task...

@@guruxara7994 Except to a half experienced archer, it is. Medieval sources describe common archers shooting birds out of the sky during foraging sessions in war, and you obviously have the entire Asian history of horse riding archers decimate armies, from the Mongols to the Mamluks.

He’s not a bad guy but he his awareness level to a lot of shit is poor