Omg I feel so dumb for not putting this together. It seems so obvious after reading your comment! Thabks for pointing this out!

Also, I'm your 69th 'like'. Nice.

@@manaash4316 This guy has videos on the Night King and Valyria and what that means for Jon and Danny. I just put ‘em together, but I do think it serves to back up the argument that they are both “the good guys”. Otherwise why the symbolism. Also, nice.

Is there an emoji for “mind blown”? Matt, you have given us all a prodigious historian’s insight right there, and I am grateful to you for thinking of it and posting it. Well done, you, sir.

@@epluribusunum1460 🤯

Isn't always. (Please pardon me, English is my 1st language) 😂🙃

Dinklage is kind of a bozo tbh

Easy for him to say considering his ending 🙄

@@DavidLightbringer I agree

@@DavidLightbringer Dinklage has also never read the books, so he has no idea the dark turn Tyrion takes after learning the truth about Tysha (which the show cut). I don't he has any clue how much his own character was whitewashed on the show.

Tyrion: Drinks and knows things. Dinklage: Talks and knows fuckall.

Yes it’s hard to miss imo

Yes, and then she allows slave trading to return to Astapor as part of the peace deal between Mereen and Yunkai and then closes the gates to the refugees to avoid the pale mare ravaging Mereen. Daenerys' whole arc in ADwD is about how she consistently has to compromise her morals and values to maintain a tenuous hold on peace, and once said "peace" is achieved, she ends up rejecting the notion of appeasement and by the end of the book embraces fire and blood. It doesn't mean she stopped caring about slaves or the common people, but remember in her final chapter she forgets the name of the young girl her dragons burned to a crisp, a name that haunted her throughout the book and served as a motivation for her to avoid Dario's calls for authoritarian rule through dragons and power in favor of peace through diplomacy. She tries that path to peace, it even works, but it's not enough, she can't stand what she had to lose to achieve it. Daenerys isn't really a hero, she's a person who cares for the downtrodden and is haunted by what happened to Astapor after leaving the city immediately after she "liberated" it. She wants to be a queen and care for people, and to achieve that she allows slavery outside the walls of Mereen to return, she allows the fighting pits to be reopened, she chains her dragons, she marries a man she doesn't love in a humiliating wedding ceremony, she puts her dream of Westeros on the back burner, and in the end she doesn't think it was worth it. She has noble intentions, but has now made up her mind that she will achieve what she wants through power.

@@DavidLightbringer Makes me wonder if Jon and Dany will have children and the eldest gets the Iron Throne... I hope that even if they die the Targaryen line doesn't end because they gave rise to a person who will continue the Targaryen bloodline ruling from King's Landing. The reason why I want Dany’s bloodline to rule after the Long Night even if she’s dead is the consequences of her death may mean Dany’s Essosi slaver enemies may rise again and destroy all she worked hard for if that happens in the power vacuum that may result if she dies. Kinda like when Tywin died his legacy turned to dust. This is a BIG reason why I HATED the Game of Thrones show ending! Dany’s death in such a haphazard manner in the show, without leaving any issue, a daughter or son who’d rule in the end in their stead, could mean the return of slavery in Essos because there would be no liberator to rally behind with! Kinda like if Aegon III was killed alongside Rhaenyra the Blacks' cause would have collapsed. It also mayhaps be a parallel to Rhaenyra as well - Dany and ‘Nyra both die, but their sacrifice (wink wink lol - only a death may pay for life) ensures greater prosperity and freedom as their bloodlines continue - Rhaenyra’s bloodline continues and births Azor Ahai/The Prince or Princess That Was Promised to A) liberate the world from the Others (ice) and B) finally eradicate the last vestiges of Valyria’s legacy in abolishing slavery. Dany’s death ensures the completion of Rhaenyra’s sacrifice and the death of the Others and the death of slavery in Essos - only she dies in the end ala “I guide others to a treasure I cannot possess” giving freedom but she herself does not get to taste its fruits alongside Jon Snow who dies with her in the end… though both are greeted in the Valyrian gods’ heavens or the Seven Heavens, idk with all previous members of House Targaryen proud of them I just think maybe GRRM shouldn't end the storyline with just Dany and Jon sacrificing their lives to defeat the Others at that but will deal with the aftermath of trying to stabilize things once the world is filled to the brim with freedom already post-Long Night. I think this will be tackled by “A Dream of Spring”. Because if Dany dies specifically and because she’s the singular most deciding factor in crushing slavery in Essos that means if she dies people would try to take advantage of her death and Essos is back in square one already. For me it would make sense if Jon and Dany birth at least one child and that child becomes the ruling monarch of House Targaryen in the end that would rule not just over Westeros but will rule and maintain the peace in Essos this child’s mother (Dany) shed her blood for. And that child may or may not have a dragon egg to take care off, gaining dragons for themselves and thus maintaining peace through those dragons. But what do you think of a storyline with the dragons finally dying out as it was post-Dance? Because I have concerned the existence of dragons may mean the realm (Westeros and former Slaver’s Bay) would only be held together by an overpowered dragonlord (or Dragonking or Dragonqueen) in the Targaryen monarchs, and with what could have been real-life advancements in democracy such as the Magna Carta of King John in 1215, because any such dissent could be stamped out by dragons. You get my point? That any Targaryen monarch may see power too concentrated in themself because of the existence of dragons scaring away any dissent. In any case, I just wonder as well if they’re gonna fully bring back dragons after the Long Night, like they thrive and future Targaryens starting with Jon and Dany’s progeny just consider themselves as detached protectors of the realm keeping it in peace whilst letting the realm sort out its problems in peace from now on… but on paper the Targaryens still hold supreme power given their dragons, but eventually future Targaryen monarchs like Dany give up their claim on absolute power. With the parallels between Rhaenyra and Daenerys being the ones who oversaw the “extinction” (not final though as we know) and the revival of dragons until the end of time in the story. Again, Rhaenyra x Daenerys parallels and I think is often a trope in ASOIAF - the main character dies but their bloodline prospers, while the villain dies but sees their bloodline end. Aenys could’ve been murdered by Maegor the Cruel but his children ruled in the end and their des.,cendants. Rhaenyra was murdered by Aegon II but Aegon III, her eldest remaining child, and Viserys II from whom all future Targaryen monarchs hail from, lived as well. Aegon V died trying to birth dragons again but save Rhaella, Aerys, and Rhaegar and birthed Azor Ahai/TPTWP. Daenerys Stormborn dies alongside her half-Targaryen husband Jon (I want to think his real name is Aemon given the fact all Aemons never become Kings) but they birth a child and that line prospers. Meanwhile those that try to usurp the rightful bloodline - Maegor, Aegon II, and fAegon (Young Griff) - all die out. And they die not because of some GRRM wanting “bloodlines be pure!” reasoning when he’s uplifting the character profiles and fates of bastards in his books - Jon Snow, Orys Baratheon, Brandon Snow, Bloodraven, Nettles, Alyn Velaryon, quite possibly Tyrion as well if he handles dragons like in the show. This is because of their lack of dedication to uplifting the commonfolk’s welfare and making the realm prosperous. They’re just there to gain power for themselves with no responsibility in themselves at all. I mean in Young Griff’s case maybe he’s responsible and taught the ways of a Targaryen king but he has no responsibility whatsoever to defeating the Others. For that fAegon’s line may end. Also, I think it’s poetic that if indeed Dany and Jon both die, their eldest child, their heir - is a woman, named Visenya or Rhaenyra or whatever. This is to give closure to Rhaenyra the Elder’s arc that she also died trying to fight the deep-seated misogyny of Westeros - failing to do so in her death. Meanwhile, Daenerys fights that misogyny as well - and ends up succeeding by having her eldest child, her daughter, rule Westeros first via regents and then in her own right. It also is a good lesson to take away from the ASOIAF books - misogyny and other injustices may last for a while, but they will all fade away. After all, in real-life Briitsh/English history, there were five queens after Empress Matilda (from whom Rhaenyra and the Dance of the Dragons was based) who was denied her birthright and eventually Queen Elizabeth II abolished that male-first royal inheritance. What if then the Dance of the Dragons between Blacks and Greens are a foreshadowing of the Second Dance of the Dragons being that of Dany/Jon fighting the Others that have gained an undead dragon then? After all you David compared Aemond in one article to that of being a White Walker that could be killed by Daemon to bring about an endless summer. So in such a manner Dany/Jon kille the White Walkers but like Daemon they die in the process. A process of self-sacrifice leading to greater gains for society. This could mirror how technically the British Monarch can still screw things up and is still the sovereign, but by numerous legal traditions over centuries and with the desire to rule to benefit the realm, the common man and not be monarchs of “Ash and Bone” as Rhaenyra said in Episode 10 of HOTD, and with the Glorious Revolution of 1688, the Monarch thus gave up any stake in personal rule and just was content in overseeing or presiding peace in the realm, allowing the House of Commons, or in ASOIAF speak, the various lords and ladies, the Hand of the King and the Small Council (now we know in real life as the Cabinet of every country) to sort their problems out, but when someone tries to plunge the realm into the darkness of tyranny, they will get overthrown, and by dragonfire in ASOIAF. It also makes sense to me for future Targaryen monarchs to stop being personal rulers as well - there will come a time people will create technologies that can best and kill their dragons - think there’s already Skorpion bolts and in the future, an actual military air force… I don’t want the Targaryens to fall into the archaic thinking of my Filipino ancestors in thinking their enchanted spells and skinchanging into animals (literally afaik) could harm the Spanish with their guns and swords lol. This was long but here are my thoughts on the ending of ASOIAF. I sincerely hope GRRM ends it on a cautious yet hopeful note with House Targaryen living on through Dany and Jon’s children ruling over peace in Westeros, former Slaver’s Bay (I’d like to call it Dragon’s Bay as in the shows), and a rebuilt Volantis free of slavery as well. Meanwhile, they let Old Valyria rot lol because of Valyria’s sins, esp. being genocidal, witch slavers - like how denazified Germany is now. I think it fits in the idea of a peace-filled world after the Long Night and sustaining the gains Jon and Dany sacrificed for.

The first Dance killed all living dragons in Westeros but the survival of the Targaryen bloodline interested in fighting the Others. The second Dance sees dragons either dying or thriving, and the world becomes free as s a result. Such an amazing ending if you ask me. Mayhaps we can see parallels with ASOIAF's ending with the Dance of the Dragons.

@@rodrigocarvalho3020 now that she’s in vaes Dothraki she may burn it and return to her original goal which was to keep helping and ending slavery as well as fight the others when on her way to Westeros by going to the north

Yeah those people are absolutely wrong. Check out the longer version of this idea called “Who Is the Real Dany” in the Daenerys playlist

I really love the idea that any signs Dany is 'going mad' are just red herring and actually it's Cersei who ends up being the 'mad queen' at the end. What I think though is that Dany will ignite Cersei's stores of wild fire by accident and history in Westeros will falsely remember her as burning King's Landing since that is exactly how it would appear to the average citizen on the ground. Then there will probably be something after involving Dany realizing that despite her best efforts the unintended consequences of even the most just war/violence always lead to some innocents being hurt in collateral damage. As David Lightbringer has speculated perhaps she ends up on some magical errand with Jon Snow to end the Long Night after this revelation and speaking to what he said about the Azor Ahai thing, I can't help but think if that becomes Dany's fate in the books she will volunteer to be stabbed by Jon Snow to save the world, if that is what it takes to make the magic work.

@@princesseuphemia1007the going mad was all D&Ds decision it’s confirmed from the SFX team that it wasn’t dragon fire in season 8 during the kings landing seige it was wildfire that was ignited accidentally from Dany while she kills the Lannister soldiers and the fire started it to the other citizens of kings landing causing chaos and distraction meanwhile Tyrion thought it was Dany who burned everyone

...But she's my queen. I don't know what else to say. Please D&D give me some more lines!

Tyrion says that to manipulate Aegon into going to Westeros first, without waiting to meet up with Dany. He's not being sincere, nor does he believe that is what's most likely to happen.

@@AllTheArtsy and the show ruined that 😒. All she wants is to help and also find her place in the world. It’s very tragic she never got to have a family due to what her father has done and in turn she has been on the run all her life due to Robert wanting them dead. She’s not perfect she is a magical character but still very human and finding herself in such a dark world with many challenges. I’m excited to read jon and Dany meeting because tbh they’re both so badass in the books that the show took out their aspects as to how they’re meant to be. And how them joining together will bring the realm together as well as a union between the starks and targeryns in marriage like lord of the rings in a way the iron throne destroyed the others dead and the starks and targeryn line may continue

@@AllTheArtsy she might die I’m not sure but she might end up having a child before dying

tHaT's FoReShAdOwInG fOr MaD qUeEn

Yeah Dany clearly doesn't really enjoy the things she needs to do as ruler. "We can only help others from a position of strength. Sometimes strength is terrible."

I love it when people try to argue that is why she is a tyrant and psychopath. Do people realize that these characters don't live in a modern civilized society where people don't give a crap about what you believe or say like in a democracy? The rules of historical societies are about might is right, not who has the right argument. These characters that we love do the best that they can within the confines of that society. I would love to see these critics and lovers of D&D try to do what is right if they were magically shipped off to the world of Game of Thrones.

@@zonefreakman It's because people realize that these characters don't live in a modern society that people note her penchant for dehumanizing her enemies. And your point about "they could do no better in her shoes" is braindead. Even if they can't, it doesn't suddenly absolve her, or them. Most of us would be slavers if we were born as Masters, Dany too.

Same.

I cried as well 😭 and thinking Daenerys is the princess who was promised

I got chills. I don't understand why people are saying that was stupid.

@@zonefreakman because they hate how it lead to nothing but her getting killed and bran being king as well as Arya ending the long night

Yeah, that's gotta suck. I hope you lived a great life. I also hope that GRRM releases the last 2 books at the same time. Blowing everyone's minds lol. Note: I hate being the person I am sometimes, but we are just peasants with shinier toys. The aristocracy is realizing the wrongs they have made by giving the peasants the right to vote and/or make their voices heard.

This kind of broke my heart to read.. I hope that you stay healthy and stick around to be able to finish the series with the rest of us, and (God willing) George will be able to finish them soon :)

I honestly think the reason Cersei got that ending is because of how much Dumb and Dumber saw themselves in her. They are both privileged white boys who wrote a very typical 'enlightened centrist' ending for an epic tale that was always supposed to be so much more than that and it shows in things like this. Cersei became the sympathetic 'girlboss' to them and so they gave her the noble death despite her never really caring about anything beyond herself and her family, which in George's version of the story, doesn't detract from her being an incredible character. I will love Cersei until the day I die, but Dumb and Dumber's version of her character was so shallow and made such a pathetic show of her worst traits as "cool" when they were written to always have this sad, tragic well beneath them by George , so Dumb and Dumber didn't just assassinate Dany's character. They assassinated Cersei's character too.

i think twow is coming soon so just try and survive the next 2 years

I don’t usually pray, but I pray that if you don’t make it or if George never releases it. That whatever higher power you believe in allows you to see the end of George’s vision. I’m srsly crying while writing this bc I love asoiaf and the thought of you not being able to see it is crushing me😭

She's definitely a very polarising character, and the way George has written her is amazing. He created one character, and people still have very opposing views on her (even based solely on her book character). Every time I think "Yep, I agree with this view of Dany", I'll read or watch another analysis on her, and change my mind.

" So if we keep that idea that power doesn't corrupt but reveals in mind, i think you learn what you need to know about the way Daenerys handles power in season 1. Khal Drogo is ready to do some pillaging because they need resources to go after that Iron Throne. And Dany is okay with it, until she sees the human cost." Lindsay Ellis.

@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 She's okay with it as long as she doesn't see it. She stops it when its in front of her, but they still butcher and kill to get the resources to invade Westeros. She's still enabling cruelty for her own benefit.

I think Bran/Arya aren't given enough importance in the "Ice" part of this equation. I'd lump both Jon and Daenerys into the "Fire" category.

She really doesn't. Her last thoughts in the last book are to embrace Fire and Blood rather than compromise to achieve peace. And as we've seen in history and in the books themselves; destroying things doesn't fix things. If anything, she's just gonna double down and deflect all mistakes.

@@stephenjenkins7971 basically nearly all of the characters took a dark turn Sansa poisoning robin and Tyrion ready for the Targaryen to destroy the lannisters and Jon even though got killed was doing grey things for the greater good in his mind. They aren’t perfect characters

@@ACinemafanatic You missed my point. Getting "darker" isn't in of itself a bad thing or even a gray thing -Sansa and Jon still angle to do the right thing. Dany tried to do the right thing, but it seems her next reaction is to double down on "Fire and Blood". At least her last chapter points to that.

⁠​⁠@@stephenjenkins7971 But it wasn’t the right thing. We see what Dany’s peace actually accomplishes. We see slaves being sold right outside the walls of Meeren, and a resume to the slave trade in Yunkai and Astapor. Dany’s compromises with the slavers ultimately leads right back to the selling of human beings, which results in the deaths of tens of thousands just from the training of the Unsullied alone. Also, in real life, slavery wasn’t ever abolished by peace and compromise. Even Britain only agreed to stop slavery on the continent due to the numerous slave revolts that they were dealing with. You also have to consider George’s own writing in Fevre dream, where he says slavery should be ended in fire and blood, which he wrote prior to even conceptualizing Dany as a character.

@@rehaan6428 She compromised too much in some places. But at no point in history has destroying slavery been accomplished through blind bloodshed. It has always, in the end, taken peaceful compromise after a period of conflict. And no, the UK never actually stopped slavery due to any slave revolts; it always put those down easily. UK ended slavery because of the rise of moral questions of keeping slaves. It was internal political pressure that ended it. And George being a tool doesn't change that.

100% agree. That’s why I’ve increasingly turned to storywriting analysis… it’s the most important analysis, I’ve realized! Literally nothing else matters if your teams aren’t in order

I completely agree. We’ve lived through some pretty stressful times recently, we need the stories proving that good can prevail.

Yeah like she's in a desperate situation when she says that and is trying to give a show of force. It's the furthest thing there could possibly be to a road to madness. And the funniest thing is that this was a scene the writers came up with themselves, cause in the books the Qartheen welcome Dany as a guest and there's not nearly as big a deal made about it. So they wrote a scene to foreshadow her going mad and didn't stop to realize it DIDN'T FORESHADOW HER GOING MAD.

@@SOFIA-tl2hh Agreed, it didn't FORSEE anything!

well said. There was a reason they needed to label her as crazy, and it's not a pretty one

I think the plotpoints themselves could have worked given the proper time (10 seasons) to develop as George would have preferred (he said it could have gone on to 13 seasons).

When they came out with “For the Throne” as the tag line for the last season I had bad feelings. They really did make the throne more important.

I never thought about how unimportant the throne is until Dave made it clear. I mean it is pretty obvious, because I've always felt that everything in between Jon and Dany was almost like filler. I just want to skip over all the politics, Kings Landing, the other Stark children's stories to get back to Jon and Danny because that's where the heart of the story is. D&D admitted themselves that they didn't care about the magic in the story, which includes the Others, and they just wanted to make about a showdown between Cercei and Danny for the throne.

the writer always said it would be better sweet indeed. S8 was mostly bitter with a hint of sulfur

@@samirmuhammad1781 totally 💯

...and that's why I made this video :)

I think Vhagar only has that feat i'm not sure every dragon does it

All of that with Sansa was super gross. I remember all of it. The post wedding scene with Sansa and Ramsay made me stop watching that year

Dumb and Dumber are self absorbed egotistical bastards. I heard rumors that they tried to have sex with some of the female cast. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried that.

Yeah at this point I think it’s not even that cryptic to see how this is going to go; she will burn Volantis, and be feared for it in Westeros. She will attack KL and try to conquer with her dragons. But at some point yeah that wildfire will go off and she will see huge collateral damage, unacceptable losses. Etc. she will then end up following the path that Stannis did, turning away from winning the throne to defend the realm up north. Plenty of conflict along this path

@@DavidLightbringer Now that sound like ASOIAF. Making an attack with good intentions, not aware of the worst consequences that will happen. If she attacks King's Landing, fighting Griff, possibly thoroughly justified, intending to concentrate damage in one area, and accidentally triggers some wildfyre caches. She'd feel incredibly guilty about it, whilst others blame her for it, if nothing else because her dad put them there and she accidentally triggers them. It would be like Peter Parker killing Gwen Stacy when he meant to save her, and J Jonah Jameson's constant smear campaign on Spider-Man for actions he wasn't responsible for.

@@DavidLightbringer ​ I think that Dany will try to resolve it peacefully, but “Aegon” and Jon Connington will still want war, and Connington will go on a suicide run to detonate the Dragon’s Fire himself. Once that happens, the battle proper for KL will begin.

@@DavidLightbringer I can also see Jon (Connington) triggering in some shape or form the burning of king's landing, boy's going to be MAD when he hears those bells. Like, psychiatrically mad.

Agreed 💯. I definitely think once she gets to Kings Landing in the books, Young Griff will be the loved Queen while Daenerys shows up with a foreign army and then she knows he's the mummers dragon and burns him up then the people will be against her and think she's made but she will make up for it by defending the realm against the white walkers.

George is missing the point of Tolkien's work

@@Hero_Of_Old Oh he understood it and loved it but wanted to take a different approach to storytelling.

Martin in an interview stated the whole reason he included bitter-sweet endings is because of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. Like Spider-Man defeating the Green Goblin but Gwen Stacy dying in the process. Martin seems to indicate there will be a victory but at a great cost, like how Frodo was so wounded he couldn't stay in the Shire Like Frodo, Jon might have to leave behind his friend Sam whilst Sam enjoys a happy family life. If David Lightbringer's theories are correct, and likely many are, Dany and Jon will become some kind of new gods, like Euron Greyjoy is trying to do, Dany and Jon will save the day, but at personal cost. Others will enjoy the freedom Dany and Jon made for them, but Dany and Jon will be detached from the humans and others who enjoy the world in a way they can no longer, leaving behind dear friends but maybe enjoying each others' company. Martin once described the ending like a cold wind over a graveyard, which sounds like one or more persons standing in a graveyard filled with lost love ones, whilst they remain, the cold wind blowing around, made all the colder by the loss of loved ones no matter how warm their current life force burns. A major reason it would make sense for Martin to have Dany and Jon become more and more magical beings is its the opposite of what Tolkien did. Tolkien's Middle-Earth saga is about magic dying out. Martin's is about magic coming back, indicated clearly with the first book ending with dragon song being heard again for the first time in over a century. Also remember, Martin told D&D that Bran would become a king, not necessarily king of Westeros. D&D purposely removed more and more magic as the series went on, the exact opposite of what Martin is doing. Martin likely intends Bran to become not a king of men, but of magic, a Green Seer King, a god of the woods. Since D&D wanted to remove magic, with the magic removed, what else is Bran left to be king of but Westeros? Despite Martin's stating that we the audience should be suspicious of magic, it's not too hard to wonder if there was truly good magic in Westeros' early days and Jon and Dany might bring it back. What if the Great Empire of the Dawn weren't just dragonlords but used good magic? What if they had dragons through a natural process of a few dragons falling to earth from the second moon, they used their dragon fire to make great forts and magic white swords like Dawn (the sword Martin singled out as the number one sword he would want in this world), but then the Bloodstone Emperor grew greedy, upsetting nature by cracking the second moon to get more dragons, then using dark magics for personal power as opposed to his predecessors' light magic for others. A major reason to wonder if the Dawn Empire's magic was the inverse of later Valyrian dark sorcery is the color of their swords. All Valyrian steel swords are dark in color, Blackfyre made blacker by Balrion's fire for Aegon I's funeral pyre, whilst swords like Dawn, likely from the Dawn Empire's dragon-crafting is white, brilliantly white even. Martin has many immoral characters with a few noble characters standing out, like the one white sword, Dawn, standing out among the dark blades. Color is very important in Martin's iconography, which the shows seem to disregard. It's possible that King Aegon, aka Egg, was trying to bring back that good magic at Summerhall when he and Dunk died, trying to use the birth of his grandson to bring it back instead of human sacrifice like others attempt, though someone sabotaged King Egg's ritual to bring back good magic, which is narratively what happens to Dunk and Egg: they try to do the moral thing but some people get hurt, something bad happens, and it is generally a bittersweet ending. Jon and Dany might succeed in bring back good light magic where their ancestor King Egg failed, being the Lightbringers of the Azor Ahai mythos. Martin has said that something screwed up Westeros leaving it with such erratic season, but that it will be fixed by the end of ASOIAF, leaving one with a possible optimistic ending, which would be fitting with Martin's standard of trying to surprise audiences. Given the dark outcomes people expect from ASOIAF, wouldn't a good ending, even if bittersweet, come as a surprise?

Emilia is a wonderful human being and yes she understood Dany much, much better than Dave and Dan ever did

@@DavidLightbringer yea she probly dindt know about the ending dan and dave where gowing for untill she got the season 8 script. If you look at season 8 interviews with her she is clearly holding her tongue about it. And trying to be respectful/proficineel.

I only recently found out that she suffered 2 aneurysms during the TV show, and that she lost a lot of brain matter. She's so lucky to be alive but she's still her old self fully functional. Even the actor for Khal Drogo said she's his hero. I think she along with Dany are many peoples heros. I can't imagine how she felt reading the script for the Bells episode. I would have lost it if I were her.

@@Felzorful she was upset of the burning in kings landing she had a charity event to watch the finale with her and some said she was distraught and couldn’t process it which to me means that she didn’t know about the mad queen turn. I read somewhere that dany burns the red keep not all of kings landing and wildfire is set due to Cersei letting it loose but it goes out of control

100% I think those are safe conclusions

Well that backfired because absolutely no one cares about Sansa these days. Probably the most forgettable of the starks.

Dave and Dan were good at adapting the books, but being untalented writers and looking at the next stage of their careers, they had neither desire or talent to pull off a great ending. Sad.

I really hate the idea of anyone "winning" to be honest. Bran being king and giving up absolutely nothing made me grit my teeth harder than Stannis

@@JasmineBoothe1 She really is the most forgettable of the Starks, at least among the ones we actually REMEMBER. I keep hearing whispers of someone called "rickon". Must be Mandela effect...

I love the Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader arc. At least we knew he was going to turn evil, and the prequels spell it all out. George's point was that many people who are evil were once good, and its heart wrenching to see someone turn bad that you once loved. That's why it's tragic, and it's part of the human experience. Even if its not someone turning evil, but making their life worse and those around them. I know people close to me like that and it really sucks. The best I can do is distance myself from them. Anakins story is tragically poetic and meaningful because it happens all the time to people. The TV version of Dany on the otherhand is a corrupted idea created by 2 dumbasses. I doubt that Martin would give Dany that sort of treatment, but that he will treat her with love and the ending that she deserves, whatever that ending be.

Yeah it’s absolutely just so backwards. How can people think this poorly? It’s misogyny. Or else it’s some other random phenomena that makes people hold Dany to outrageous double standards

@@DavidLightbringer the double standards were so apparant in the later seasons. You simply CAN'T make an argument about Dany's methods being cruel or inhumane when she has always been on the exact same level as every other good leader/character in this story. Jon did a mass execution in season 6. It was considered a just punishment. Sansa fed her rapist and tormenter to his own dogs. It was considered an empowering moment. Arya murdered an entire house, baked them into a pie and fed the pie to their father. It was considered a badass, satisfying revenge. Daenerys kills slave masters and murderers and rapists to save and protect her people and she's considered a tyrant in the making?! That is SOOO hypocritical!

@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 There are those examples of Arya and Sansa going "bad" but people don't scrutinize that. So to say it's all about sexism I think is missing the point. For some reason, people do not like Dany, while those of us love her. It says something about our psychological health. I think that a lot of people actually don't like heros who go through the pains of what it takes to be a hero such as Dany, because it takes so much honesty with themselves and self reflection to build their morality from the bottom up. In the depths of suffering only the things that matter remain, and I honestly think it's difficult for a lot of other people to relate to Dany for their own lack of suffering and learning from that suffering. And also that Dany aspires to be the savior for everyone, a mother to protect those who had no protection and were abused. For whatever reasons, some people find it difficult to empathize with her for that and instead views her as a power hungry maniac.

@@zonefreakman the Sansa and Arya thing in the later seasons was definitely favoritism from D&D since they said they’re their favorite characters

He did state that the end would be “bittersweet”, that’s just morbid. Although good o’l gardener Martin might have changed his mind

@@GlidusFlowers he probably did change his mind. The bittersweet part would be something like bran still being alive and having the potential to go back and set things right maybe. Only one man truly know though 🤷🏾‍♂️

George confirmed Bran / Three-eyed-raven would be king in the books as well. I don't think it was planned to be as different as people think.

@@TCO_404 Yes, but what kind of king? The Night's King is also called a king.

@@jessjess23brooks89 that's honestly just arguing semantics though. Even if like the show there is a status quo change in Westeros, it's quite clear what they were talking about. D&D could barely be bothered with Bran as a character, so if there was any loophole to not make him "Lord of the Six Kingdoms", they would've taken it.

Three Targaryen kings that were "mad"? Maegor, Baelor, and Aerys and they came up with the "flip of a coin"?

I don’t even think they set it up in the show well either lol.

@@njgman even Baelor isnt mad he is just an religious fanatic Maegor isnt mad either he is just cruel and yes Aerys was mad but there was tons of shit going on he is slowly went mad not to mention Duskendale event effected him more for 6 months of torture etc

Bran will be important also but he’s too young to really take the moral stands that make Jon and Dany heroes. So he can’t really exemplify the ideal George is talking about, and thus can’t act as the emotional focus for the climax.

The show did irreparable harm to peoples perception of her character, yes. The only way to straighten it out is to do a reread of all of her chapters to reestablish the book character, who is so much different. I do understand what you’re saying about enjoying her aggressiveness and drive, unfortunately Dave and Dan didn’t understand that “true Targaryen” concept either and didn’t do it well. And yes they did it to spite people - not the fans specifically, but the idea of changing the world. They don’t believe in it. They’re automatically suspect of anyone trying to be a do-gooder, and that’s deeply deeply cynical

D&D must have taken it personally when Dany burned the slavers

haha I actually paid to use that one I love it so much

Right on!! You’re definitely home, with friends!

They absolutely do not. They come from a place of hating Dany and wanting the show ending to be the real one. I made this to have a shirt version of these arguments, instead of the 90 minute version I made in January

Awesome stuff thanks for saying so!

Oh jeez well that’s probably too dark to be bittersweet but I do think it will feel hopeless like that before it ends.

Isn't that the only ending we have the narrative space for though?

i could actually see that! But also, and fire wight (a la Beric) can light their own sword on fire at will, so if Jon and or other Watchmen become fire wights... no one needs to be sacrificed really

that's exactly right! Some people overthink it but yeah, these are genuinely good folks trying to do the right thing

praise Garth

Well I do have longer videos hahaha. This was a super short version of my 90 minute Dany vid

Please share this one! Correct the record!

That’s the Promised Land by Stanley Black. You’ve heard in the Holy Grail movie

great to hear! If you liked this vid def check out the rest of the Dany playlist

Same! Subscribed immediately.

she came out like Rick Flair lol, or maybe The Million Dollar Man, picking fights with the crowd. lol

Yeah I watched that for sure. Basically every interview that he gives put some more distance between the show ending in his ending

oh sure, if you want to zoom out to that general of a level, I think both of things will happen in some form. Dany dying heroically in the north to save the day, Jon perhaps becoming the new Coldhands.

I definitely get lost some times just looking up art

That's actually my headcanon....that Drogon took her to Volantis.

@@kimberlyblackwell3807 same.