JR was never great when it came to getting physical. Back-stabbing and snubs were more in his line. As Bobby said in another episode after he'd had an argument with JR and Pam asked if it had got physical: "Physcial? No, he's not worth five rounds physically."

In the new Dallas when JR died Bobby poured himself a glass of JR's bourbon and said I love you brother

Bobby was youngest. The oldest brother usually allows their younger sibling to have their way.

I have seen JR get physical a few times. He slapped Jeb Ames in his office and he punched Cliff Barnes.

@@tommyparkerparker he also kicked Fred into the pool during a fight at JR's wedding 🤣😂🤣

YEEEESSSS! J.R. was a very rich and powerful man at the time. She was literally risking her life. They had already followed her to Tennessee and snatched Lucy from her arms as a baby. People that ruthless are capable of ANYTHING.

I agree! 🙌

JVA was totally believable as Lucy's mother.

Like mother and daughter

If Bobby had it his way, he'd have pushed JR out in the desert at 100mph

J.R. got back to Southfork with Bobby's shoeprints all over his butt.

John Drake same here 😄👏🏾!

I loved that too. Bobby had the same humanity gary had but he also had Jr's business brain. When Bobby criticised Gary it was for his own good. When Jr did it it was to bring him down. Out of the Ewing brothers Bobby was the strongest. Deep down Jr respected him for that.

It should been Jock that stop JR.

Bobby was the JR 'Equalizer'.

Agreed. She (and imo Gary also) were much stronger/better/more interesting characters when they were on Dallas. I thought KL was dull.

EXACTLY! Like the episode when she tried to slap JR. She was NEVER a punk. But they wrote her like some kind of shy, Southern Belle when they moved them to KL. The closest we saw to this Val was when she slapped the piss out of Abby.

Rupert: LOL !!! Yeah, it's like JR knew is ship was sunk then.

Rupert truly loved it 😄👏🏾!!

Because Bobby was going to whip that ass

Bobby was a stronger man than Jr and one of the few characters Jr could not manipulate or bully.

JR hated Pam because she was a Barnes (well later revealed to be an adopted Barnes) and JR let her know she was the bastard daughter of a saddle tramp. He still hated her for being Cliff's half sister. He hated Val for being a country hick and what was even more ironic that he eventually married one, because he would go after anything in a skirt. However the writing towards the end was dreadful. It contradicted some of the things from the early days. Bobby not only slept with April but married her. In the early days and JR reminded April of this, that Bobby never ever got involved with anyone that was bedded by JR and April did. JR blackmailed Katherine with it by mentioning Holly Harwood. Holly never had a chance with Bobby because JR bedded her first.

Between Pam and Valene, I wonder who he hated more?

JR was not a fan of anyone his sisters-in-law. He hated Pamela, Valene, Donna and April. The only one he liked was Ann (Bobby's 3rd wife in the Dallas reboot).

JR hated anyone who could see through him except Bobby.

I think JR could tolerate "that Barnes woman" more than he could tolerate valine

Yes. Sometimes The Folks who play Enemies are "Besties" in Real Life. In The UK there was an Actor named Larry Lamb who played a Good Guy on a Sitcom Gavin & Stacey but on The UK Soap EastEnders, he played Archie Mitchell a real life SOB who kicked his estranged Family out on Xmas Day and ran The Neighborhood Bar which is the Goldmine in the tradition of Cheers, or Arnold's on Happy Days.

LBF522 simple answer to that. Later episode when Valene and Gary got married , JR wanted to stop the wedding but when he found out that they would not live at Southfork and live in California, he smiled and laughed said " California let them be , in California!!!" Remember Ellie always wanted Gary and the family at Southfork so at this point of the show California wasn't an issue yet

Thanks for the reply. I understand now.

JR actually cared deeply about Lucy, helped raise her, and did not think Valene a competent mother. Early in Lucy's life, he was probably right. At this point, not so much. JR also figured Valene and Gary would both be scrounging around for money, which, based on Gary's alcoholism and irresponsibility, and the instability of Valene's circumstances, he felt they were bad investments.

Which is why JR wanted Lucy to stay, but not Gary..... Miss Ellie lived with Gary not living there, but not both.

Had Thought That Everyone was After Ewing oil And Remember Gary And Bobby were Always Considered miss Ellies Favorites And JR Knew that Jock would Do Anything to please Her including having Trying to Get Gary to Move Back in to South fork And To JR That Meant Ewing Oil

Those were college student cheerleaders. LOL.

true.

THEY SHOULD DO A MINI-SERIES OF JR, BOBBY, GARY AND ON HOW THEY GREW FROM THE DAY WHEN THEY WERE KIDS UNTIL THEY WERE GROWN UP AND AND HOW JOCK AND JR DREW GARY AWAY AND HOW WAS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BOBBY AND GARY WHEN THERE WHERE KIDS UNTIL THEY GREW UP

You should check out the movie, Dallas:The Early Years it was a TV movie of the week, on CBS about 1985 or 86. It was set in the 1930s through the 50s and it featured children playing Bobby, Cliff, Pam, and JR. I think it's on KZfaq.

@@caseyl3789 no fucking shit! I just mentioned that...

A movie beginning with the arrival of Ray.

@@caseyl3789 That was such a good movie

He had tons of money and could have done it.

He actually kicked one ole boy completely out of the United States of America.

Where I grew up, it's a Village and people really did/do get banned if they're trouble makers or even have some psychological issues!!! It's sad!!! I was hanging out with this one guy & the police carted him off somewhere & I've never seen him again!

Remember when he ran Alan Beam and Kristin out? Told Alan he was going to set him up for rape and have Kristin arrested for prostitution. Rich folks are something else...

That was great. I wish Joan Van Ark and Linda Grey had more scenes together in the original show. Come to think of it, I don't recall Sue Ellen and Valene ever sharing a scene in the original series.

I agree!

By her own admission she didnt stand up to Jock. I never worshipped her as she was a weak jerk off.

JRs upbringings was one of conflict. He did exactly as told and was given the same amount of love and affection if he exceeded beyond his goals. Bobby got heaped with love and affection for doing nothing just for being Bobby and Gary the same from his mother for being an absolute loser and failure creating all kinds of resentment from JR towards both but especially Gary. So he figured why bother, it doesnt matter, just do it for Daddy...

In those days, Women didn't have the same rights that a "Man" did. Also Jock may have felt that Lucy was better off with them than with Valene. Also with Miss Ellie she had her own guilt. Remember the scene in The Living Room where she admitted she gave JR to Jock too early. She wanted to fix with Lucy what she couldn't fix with JR.

She should have been shifted over to Knotts Landing permanently in 1979. Would have made sense for daughter to live with her parents, and offered more stories for Lucy as she was limited on Dallas because Lucy was not part of the family businesses. In fact, by 1985, Tilton was considered expendable to Dallas. Charlene would have benefited as an actress from the move.

I agree that Lucy would have done much better being on Knots Landing! The writers seem to have little use for her and her character didn't develop much. I always wished they would have had Lucy become a true protege to JR in lieu of him having John Ross and then later, Lucy and John Ross could have butted heads instead of the weak rivalry he had with Christopher.

I agree, she should have been during the most difficult times for Val, when she lost the twins, when Jill almost killed her, and most importantly when Val was presumed dead and when she came back from the dead in the last episode of KL.

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That's the way of YT.

Yes but they were both in their 20's when they married JR & Bobby respectively. Pam unlike Sue Ellen actually worked. After graduating High School she moved into her own place at 18 while Sue Ellen grew up without much whose Momma always said "Find A Rich Man To Take Care Of You." Ironically The Actress who played Sue Ellen's Mother would also play Lisa one of Richard Gere's Clients in American Gigolo.

Sue Ellen was common even though her mother Patricia thought she descended ftom royalty. She was Miss Texas and JR was a judge. It was chemistry. As for Pam? JR hated her due to association...She was related to Cliff. She was what JR called 'the illegitimate daughter of a saddle tramp and the step daughter of the town drunk'. Pam was one of 4 bastards' in the entire run. The other 3 being James, Ray and JR (because that's what Sue Ellen called him even though he wasn't one). When she was furious it was always 'You bastard'. Particularly in season 11. You bastard! You're trying to turn MY son against me.

Yes, both of them were relatively low on the social ladder. Sue Ellen's claim to fame was that she had been a runner-up (or possibly winner, I can't remember for sure now) for the Miss Texas title. She was a total trophy wife.

recall more, there are tons.

YES! She really was!!!

She had her when she was only Fifteen. I remember watching The Blossom Show, on NBC and Joey's Mother played by Singer/Songwriter Melissa Manchester would promise to see her Kids but then at the last minute she'd say she couldn't show up due to circumstance. Her career had taken a nosedive and she had to grab any job she could to survive.

And it was great casting. Joan Van Ark totally looked like she could have been Charlene Tilton's mother.

who the fuck did you think it was? idiot.

@@mthivier I heard that Lucy wasn't on Knots Landing much because Joan Van Ark felt it aged her having a daughter around her age!

Yes, and for awhile sometimes JR wondered if Christopher was "His" by Kristin. That would have been sick. In the Old School Dallas Book, Gary came back after being in The Hospital and discovered JR and Val who was known as Maureen were together, Gary found out beat the living daylights out of her, took some bottles and left Southfork never to return.

@@laminage I have seen nearly every episode of Dallas, what are these books that people on YT keep mentioning. I have never heard of them. What are the titles? Can you buy them? I'll search Ebay or Amazon.

Keep in mind that Val was only Fifteen when she got Pregnant with Lucy who was just a Child herself. When Gary couldn't handle the demands of being a Ewing (Working The Ranch, Being a Proper Husband & Father), it got to be too much and he started drinking and acted all violent towards Val. She took Lucy, moved to Virginia and then JR took Lucy away from her and threatened her not to have any contact with her again and since Val had no allies, she had no choice but to obey. Bobby was only Thirteen so he couldn't help her either.

He hates all his brother lovers except for Jenna.

Jenna was the daughter of a family friend of the Ewings so she was an exception

laminage why didn’t Jock & Miss Ellie do more to stop JR from ostracizing Val?

I swear they did not give a crap what JR did until Bobby came back with married to Pam

I suppose because he thought Gary was competition of sorts and Valene was a gold digger.

I never thought he hated any of them. At the end of the day, he wanted Ewing Oil & Southfork to himself. With all them out of the way, he thought he'd inherit all of it.

Mainly, JR had contempt for Gary because of his alcoholism and inability to face up the responsibilities of being a husband and father. JR held Gary to a reasonable standard and wrote him off when Gary fell far short. You might think part of it was competitiveness over Ewing Oil and Southfork, but that was not in the equation at the time. At the point of this encounter with Valene, you can bet JR is concerned over potential claims Gary and Valene might make on the Ewing fortune.

JR said, "we had your future all laid out for you and you threw it away for that tramp and the bottle.." JR had his flaws, but being out of control was never one of them. JR resented Gary, I think they were friends once probably until Gary began his boozing....

I think he was the oldest and no one paid attention to him Gary was Miss Ellies favorite and Bobby was Jocks as was Ray later on

Lorraine Butler That's what I want to know too

Lorraine Butler because he viee

Its not stated but I have always assumed that Jock and/or Ellie wanted their then only grandchild on Southfork.

JR probably felt that Lucy would be better off with The Ewings than with Valene. Even when Gary #1 came home and left, he felt she was better off with them than with either one of them. No stability, home, schooling and the like. In the book he was far worse. He flew to Virginia where Val was living in an Apartment, when she came home He paid off the Babysitter probably scare her off and then gave Valene a large wad of cash.

JR hated his brothers and any way that would hurt any on them and lessen them as threats to his control of Ewing Oil he would take advantage of. I truly believe the only person he cared about was John Ross.

Just one time the first season when she found out her parents had remarried and moved to California. That's when she realized she didn't fit in to their suburban life.

Mean? Maybe. Really more protective of his family. If you know the backstory of Gary and Valene, you might understand JR's suspicions.

He's mostly correctly.

Gary wasn't bad