But for every you there's a 20 noobs that look at the stats and think this is too complex. Its not that hard just to add the falloff stat for shotguns FFS, its all I'm missing.

@@635574 Then throw in a dropdown menu or something. but just.... not having the information is horrible game design

so how exactly do noobs grasp this knowledge?

@@XYZ-ql1fi I don't quite understand the question. If you are just someone who doesn't care about stats or builds and just wants to be a space ninja who jumps around and tbags grineer they will literally just ignore the stats. If they are a noob who genuinly wants to learn about how to get better at this game they will take the time to learm the stats, maybe join a clan and get some help being walked through how it all works, and if you are someone who has taken the time to fully understand and learn the game, having hidden stats like this shown is invaluable for understanding how certain things are calculated and what's best for the build. But if the stats are never shown no one benefits. The best you can do is soend a few hours in simulacrum testing damage numbers and hope everything matches up (and even if it does some jackass on the internet will tell you they tested it and things don't work like that) There is literally no way a system like that isn't possitive.

@@lordderppington4694 I guess that is pretty valid

Oooh would be a nice way to call a series for newbies, ten-0 combat training

The Ten-0 incident TrollDespair

When the math test comes around

Dqmniti recognised 2 of those

I mean Acolytes have proven the first to be true. I've fallen out of the map, RJ map, and the Acolytes as well.

@@Sal-fg3rs I had an acolyte underwater on Uranus literally 10 minutes ago

@@jayandrews4807 I had one do that and he kept teleporting me back. I didn't have my leveled Archgun on. So it did laughable damage to him and I couldn't get life support.

@@Sal-fg3rs luckily mine was a capture

Wouldn't that make you an audio learner though. Or audio/visual.

@@tomd96 My ideal situation would be someone physically next to me and guiding my hands until I got the hang of it. In absence of that, audio that breaks things down to their most basic is good enough.

@@tomd96 all that people learn difrent ways and are audio or visual learners is all bullshit. It's all made up no evidence supports it.

@@tomd96 It turns out the audio/visual/tactile learner stuff was not supportsd by follow up studies. It’s probably got some kernel of fact, but by and large it is far too easy to exaggerate how big an impact sensory modes play in learning.

I have my masters degree in warframe history

As long as you don't try to understand the damage quantization (that have a negligible effect on dps), it is fine. you just have to know that there is different group of damage bonus ; the damage bonus of the same group are additive, and each group is multiplicative with the other group. ( 12:08 for the main list of them )

@@paulamblard3836 Quantization isn't actually that hard to understand at all, however as you said the impact it has is incredibly minimal. I do wonder why they coded it like that though. I assume it probably wasn't something they intended but that it just kind of came about.

It's not that hard if you don't look at the details. Just remember: bigger numbers = bigger dakka

tbf for most practical terms you dont need to know any of this for practicla purposes at most you just target weaknesses. its only when you try to sweat that last bit of extra dps when this matters.

Do you guys have a calc file to share ? I tried to make one with all formulas from the wiki but I miss some links to combine them all

@@grimmjowjaggerjack3316 did you do it? :0 i'm starting on this and would be useful to understand more the calcs

@@andreslm8610 I have everything ready, what I miss is a person capable of developing a tool to create loops and codes. I am not a dev, but when I calculate everything manually it works

Empowered Blade aura mod is kinda-ish since it being a 60% faction nod for heavy attacking.

And all of the damn effect use just another +XX% because DE don't have standards.

You spelled Eclipse wrong.

Just a reminder what one ability have actual faction damage for other faction: it is Baruuk 4 with augment Reactive Storm

@@XCanG that is supposed to only alter that base impact damage for the enemy weakness. There is no mention on wiki that it works like a faction mod

Pretty sure there is a build calculator. Never used it. But had been told to do so

The site I used to use hasn't updated in a while and since then new Riven systems have dropped so damage calculation could be off by a bit depending on your builds. WF just updates so many things at once that a lot of people don't have the time to keep up with dramatic changes. I'm just glad the wiki is still on top of most things.

It is weird, but absolute and flat especially in stats are typically interchangeable. Dragons dogma (if you’ve ever played that.) is a perfect example, with absolute values for attack and defense ratings.

It’s really about *diversifying* returns. Once you have increased a category of damage, it is more efficient to increase a second category and then a third category as evenly as possible instead of letting the same amount of bonus pile up in one category.

Stacking same type is usually the reason something becomes additive%

That sounds like a way more confusing way to describe it IMO

What would be the type of Molecular Prime and Roar buff ?

@@noname8192 Molecular prime is also an effect on the ennemis, but it is not linked to the type damage multiplier. I think it is something unique, multiplicative to all other effect. Roar is an effect on the warframe, and is a bonus of antifaction damage (to all faction). (It make that it is extremly strong to increase statuts damage like Slash) with a primed antifaction mod (55%) + Roar (with a certain amount of strength to have 70% bonus), it will sum to be +125% antifaction damage.

Right, thats how I think of it in all games where total damage dealt is a multiplication of factors (like Diablo 3 and Divinity: Original Sin 2). So I first look at what each factor is and give it a classification. i.e. lets say physical/elemental% modifiers = class A factor. crit% modifiers = class B factor. faction% = class C factor. Total damage = A x B x C If you know what class the damage modifier fits into then the order of operations is fairly intuitive. Rhino's Roar is a class C buff so you add roar% and bane mod% together and this makes up your total class C factor. Chroma's Vex Armour is a class A buff. So you add your vex% to serration% to get your total class A factor. Then you multiply all your factors to get the product (your total damage). A weapon has base damage which can either be physical or elemental or both. If its physical, it is usually split between Impact/Puncture/Slash. Adding them all up gives you your base physical damage. For example, if you have a weapon that does 30 Impact/30 puncture/40 slash, your base physical damage = 30 + 30 + 40 = 100. If you then add a 90% toxin elemental mod it takes 90% of the base damage (or 90 damage) and adds it as toxin. So now your weapon does 190 damage. 100 physical and 90 toxin. Now if you add Serration, you multiply your modded base damage by class A. That is, 190 x (1 + 1.65) = 503.5 damage. If you then add a primed bane mod (+55% vs grineer), you multiply your modded base damage by class A x class C to get your total damage vs grineer, which in this case is 503.5 x (1 + 0.55) = 780.425. Or you can rewrite that as 190 x 2.65 x 1.55 = 780.425 Damage in Warframe is quantized and in the character sheet its rounded down to the nearest whole number so its a bit more complicated than that but hopefully the general idea comes across. Where it gets confusing is how mods and abilities say they give a damage bonus, but its not always clear what class it fits into. Roar is a good example because its very un-intuitive to think of Roar's damage bonus as faction% that just happens to work against all factions. But thats how it is. Then you get weird buffs where the tooltips don't update to reflect the actual damage bonus you are getting, or what class it fits into, like Eclipse. And then it gets super confusing when you include things like status effect damage over time and some abilities like Toxic Lash that create new instances of damage based on the final product, resulting in unintuitive things like bane mod buffs being used 3 times - once to get the product that toxic lash spins off into a separate instance of toxin damage, again for the direct toxin damage of this new instance and a third time for the status effect DoT that is procced by this new instance. So thats why you can read Toxic Lash's description and reasonably think "that sounds underwhelming" only to find out that when you press 3 and shoot, its totally busted. And thats before we even get into the weird damage reduction mechanics like in Lephantis, Kuva Liches and Eidolons where certain weapons hit some mysterious limiter that is not explained at all and nerds have to reverse engineer damage calculation from the product, which is a bunch of quantised tooltip numbers (that sometimes lie!)

status procs, like viral, damage types vs enemy resistances and vulnerabilities, enemy armor value is DR to their health, certain enemies just outright take less damage the first viral proc doubles 2k to 4k, the next 8 double it again to 8k, hitting an enemy thats mostly resistant to your damage (say, a telos boltor with corrosive vs a corpus tech's proto shield) can half the damage you deal, no longer dealing halved damage is effectively doubling, you're now on 16k, an enemy thats weak to your damage usually takes about +50% more, but i just dont remember any convenient enemies to cite by name here, so i wont, the range is 25-75, so lets call it 50%, even though they probably arent double weak, or they could be 75% weak to whatever you modded (say viral) and not weak or even resistant to whatever you have by base (like that impact that does less damage to health types) warframe's math is way more complicated than this video, but explaining why some hits are wildly different is messy oh right, i totally forgot about crits and headshots, thats the hugest difference, because headshots multiply damage, and crits multiply damage, and critical headshots multiply crit damage by the headshot damage in addition to multiplying the overall damage, a nukor dealing a bodyshould vs dealing a crit headshot could very well be like, 50-100x damage

I imagine Cave Johnson and Ballas would have got along very well.

I have a video on stat sticks here already 🙂 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o9RoY8yZsMvZaWw.html

Proportions of the actual damage. There are no tricks. There are hidden forced procs on many weapons tho and those usually aren't affected by elementals but just total dmg mods

@@635574 There are tricks, like how physical damage procs have 4x the chance of other statuses.

@@BigJoeBabowski that was removed multiple years ago. Really the only actual tricks is only relevant to slash because its the only DoT status that only cares about proportion as a chance to trigger and its damage only scales with base damage increasing mods.

@@BigJoeBabowski That was removed about 3 years ago.

the elemental bonus is additional base damage. if the weapon has 5 impact, 5 slash, and a bonus of 30% toxin : it will be 5 impact, 5 slash, 3 toxin, so 13 base damage. with 55% toxin : it will be 5 impact, 5 slash, 5.5 toxin, so 15.5 base damage. and if you add a mod with "+100% cold damage" to the 30% toxin it will have : 5 impact, 5 slash, 16 viral, so 26 total damage. and to the 55% toxin : 5 impact, 5 slash, 21 viral, so 31 total damage.

the issue here is that these are all different, almost completely arbitrary, and DE keeps implementing new forms of damage reduction and attenuation that don't follow their previous precedents or "rules"

At my knowledge, the only source of adaptative damage is Baruuk's exalted weapon's mod augment. It just make that you don't need to care about chose the most efficient element, the mod will automatically transform your damage to the best element. And it is the only things that change.

@@paulamblard3836 I think he might have meant the "adaptation" kind of thing on Adversaries/Sentients.

This please

If your aim to to force bleeding through impact procs on, then it doesn't hurt to have more base damage, especially as Catchmoon can't headshot, though when there's so many sources of external base damage now, most people would use those slots to buff raw damage, or other values, instead. I'd say it was the arcanes, more than the damage calculation, that made Magnum sub optimal.

It is a bizarre subject, I recently had to go into it to make a build that could one-shot SP juggernauts ... and that inverse dps quantisation DR is weird.

@@TheArcSet that's not damage quantization that's dps based damage reduction. Let me get on the wiki in a bit so I can refresh a little so I can explain it.

@@TheArcSet actually damage quantization is shown at 19:25 so just read that or skim it.

There's a few. Adarza Kavat's "Cat's Eye" and Harrow's "Covenant" are also absolute critical chance buffs. Combined they can give a guaranteed red crit on headshot, even to a weapon with 1% base critical chance.

Idk if you're still looking but some alt fire modes are bugged and aren't as affected by it. The Kuva Zarr in barrage mode deletes their health. My set up is kinda meh and I manage to delete a level 4-5 lich Health bar in about 2-3 shots per segment.

If you've only been using one source of heat (such as just that weapon), then a fix for this bug will not affect you. It's only when multiple sources of heat are involved. If anything you might get a damage buff in group play, as other players using heat would no longer risk nerfing your status damage.

@@TheKengineer ah, listening to it again, it makes more sense. I was under the impression that heat was multiplied every tick. Even better then, thanks for the reply!

Elemental mods always scale on the whole weapon's damage, regardless of what innate damage types the weapon has. Only the physical types scale based on how much of that type is present at base.

Depends on the weapon, and the rest of your build for that matter. Crit chance bonuses matter less than normal when using Zephyr/Yareli/Harrow, yet more when using Volt for example.

Corrupted holokeys are voidstorm completion reward at 37%. Its based on levels not tier of planet because saturn gives 1 more than neptune despite counting as lower tier that drops epitaph parts.

You mean it can get even stronger? I thought that was impossible

@@jashirei7581 I know it's scary stuff it just keeps getting better

Well iirc vig swap would be additive then multiple it from 12x then take that number and multiple it by eclipse