It’s simple really. AMD users simply have enough VRAM to load the comment section.

Just call us nerds, Daniel. We’re nerds. The guys replying to your polls and leaving comments on tech videos - we’re nerds and not like most others.

Steve from Gamers Nexus asked a "major motherboard manufacturer" about 2 years ago what proportion of their sales was in the DIY / enthusiast space. They said about 10-15%, depending on whether you did it by revenue or volume. In decreasing order, their largest sales were laptops, desktop OEMs (e.g Dell office PCs), embedded / industrial, pre-builds, DIY / enthusiast, and finally servers. This is just to show how unrepresentative the DIY market is - and also explains why (for example) AMD has been dominating the DIY space in CPUs, but their overall sales are still way behind Intel

I’m getting a chuckle out of all the Nvidia people commenting that they don’t comment about being Nvidia people

First rule of AMD club: Tell EVERYONE you have an AMD card

Consider that it’s very hard to find gaming laptops with AMD gpus

Before watching the video It is prob bc your audiance Isn't just random pc gamer and we do our research

another thing to consider is how data is collected on laptops. You will get a lot of intel, amd, etc from the iGPU being reported instead of the dedicated GPU.

I've known plenty of people who play games on their PC. I've even known several friends who built their own PCs. I've never known a single person IRL who has done what I've done over the past 15 years with constantly buying top end hardware. Everyone buying near the top end of PC hardware and/or who upgrades their PC every 1-2 years is a tiny minority of PC gamers.

Daniel' poll: western DIY PC gamers mostly Steam: worldwide, DIY+prebuilt+laptop

I built my computer until last year because I got tired of troubleshooting and was spending too much on parts. Since then I have a mini PC that can play some old games and emulators. I upgraded the mini pc ram to 32 GB and changed the SSD to 2 TB and my other ssd and Blue Ray drive I installed them on external enclosures. As for the graphics card, I always bought the one that was available in my local computer shop, but I tend to buy Amd because I don’t use Ray tracing, DLSS or FSR much. I always watch your videos Daniel and I think you do an excellent job.

When looking at the steam hardware survey, I couldn't find any current Gen AMD models except 7900xtx. Was I looking incorrectly?

Not gonna lie, I just want AMD to do well so I can buy cheaper Nvidia.

Fan boys are loud. In every demographic the majority is silent. Frequency of comments is no metric

Another solid video, thankyou. Also you repeatedly mentioning 'my poll'... hehehehe

Even though this was mainly common sense to me, the results are interesting and your explanations of the basics of statistics and probabilities must have helped a lot of your viewers. Good one !

Really great explanation of concepts like "vocal minority - silent majority" in effect! Also great highlight of what kind of people watch your channel vs other places, and how that affects the data! =D

I wonder; If NVidia was second in the poll and AMD first, that you may see a higher amount of Nvidia comments.

Like so many videos on this channel, this one was as much a stats video as it was a "gaming" or "hardware" video, arguably. I, for one, am here for it.

Of the 4 PC's I've built in the last 3 years I have only been offered the steam survey on my 2060 & 3060ti but my current builds rx 6800 and 7800xt have not been offered the survey

YT surveys are targeted towards enthusiasts where Steam survey is everyone

7800xt was the better bang for the buck in my country when I built my pc late last year, so that's what I went with. Now that the 4070 Super has been released the regular 4070 price has dropped a lot, so if I were building it today I would definitely consider it. I'm a fanboy of my wallet.

Most Price sensitive DIY guys have AMD GPU, allmost all Prebulid have Nvidia, Steam hardware need to be divided by Regions to see clear Picture most number in Steam Surveys do Asia PC Cafe they use exclusive Nvidia budget solution

Are the surveys voluntary? Also are they solicited by Steam? I'm confused, I have three computers. Two with AMD cards and one with Nvidia. Steam as never prompted me for hardware survey on either of them.

back in my hometown (in China), the vast majority "users" of Nvidia Graphic Cards are accaully "Net Bars", I don't know if there is a exact translation in English, it looks like a Casino, decorated like a Casino, but with a bunch of gaming computers(LOL...), anyway, the owners of these "Net Bars" usually purchase gaming PCs with Nvidia graphics card because they really believed that NV GPUs have a wider range of supported games on Windows. Another tributed reason for this is the hype of PUBG and League of Legends across the whole China, back in the days around 2016 to 2018, everyone was using a GTX1060 (3gb) just to play PUBG, that is how 1060 rises to the top!!!

Your analysis makes sense to me, but I would add the factor of NVIDIA sells much better in different markets and AMD almost only sells well on USA. Here in Brazil absolutely all my friends that play on PC use NVIDIA and they are more than 20 people. The only AMD GPUs that sells really well here are chinese imported refurbished cards like RX 580 or RX 6600, because they are really cheap. The majority of AMD cards cost way to much here, because they are imported in lower quantities while those from NVIDIA are imported in greater quantities and therefore cost less. To use my case as an example, when I went to buy a new card, the RTX 4070 Ti cost me R$5,000.00, while an RX 7900 XT was costing R$5,500.00, so for me it didn't make any sense to buy the AMD card. Nowadays prices are a little different, but they are still not like in the USA, where AMD costs much less than NVIDIA.

I purchased a 7900 xt last year and it's my first AMD card and I had 3 previous Nvidia cards. I love my AMD card and haven't had a single problem in that time. People, give AMD a try. They are fine.

AMD fanbois are simply more vocal. (I own an AMD GPU btw)

4090 here but when we mention it, it feels like bragging to usually we stay quiet

Even anecdotally about half of all people I know have an AMD card. It doesn’t seem to line up. I can only assume laptops and gaming cafes are slightly skewing the numbers.

So nvidia users just buy the cards, but AMD users buy the cards and shout about it in every comment section

Contemporary classic 6800XT owners are here and will be here for at leat a few years.

i own a 2070 Super. main reason i went nvidia over amd is building my pc with streaming in mind so i wanted the nvenc encoder, but also the 5700 XT was not yet out at the time of building, and nowadays i make use of other features like rtx voice and mesh shaders. i would recommend amd cards to others for sure, but i personally prefer some of nvidia's features that i make use of.

great class on probabilities and sampling for same.

I use Nvidia in my machine because of the 3d and rendering work I do, It seems like most reviewers never talk about this side of it, a gpu and by extension a pc is much more than just a gaming device but it seems that the gaming side of it makes the most noise. A few extra seconds per frame now will eventually turn into hours and even days down the line.

The smallest dog barks the loudest

I like having a system with an AMD GPU and another system with a Nvidia GPU. Its kinda crazy just how close they are

7900XT that I got last July after watching your video's. RT is nice but raw rasterization power is going to last me longer and the card has raw power in loads even if it doesn't keep up in heavy RT loads.

@Daniel Owen, are you able to pull all the comments from this page and push into excel. You could do a pivot table or something similar to find an actual number of AMD vs Nvidia.

i guess most nvidia card owners do not write on YT about it (except survey)

The "average" gamer isn't here on this channel, simply because they don't care about technical things. They aren't here, on linus tech tips or gamers nexus, simply because they don't care about those things. Obviously your votes are "off" in a way that most of the people that are here know what they are doing up to a certain point, so easily amd has more usage because here people have brains and don't just buy nvidia without needing its features. Same thing for building their own pc, someone that knows how to do it, knows that it's cheaper and you can also easily squeeze better components in either performance or quality. We will never have accurate enough data that can distinguish between usage and people (at least in the near future). Hopefully your channel will grow much bigger because you deserve it❤

I wonder what results an overclocking option on the steam hardware survey would look like. Especially if there was an option for "manual memory overclock" since thats something in the grand scheme of things very few people do. It might give an idea of how many people on the hardware survey are enthusiasts.

I get the Steam hardware survey from time to time but the thing makes you send a list of all installed applications on the system which I find a bit creepy. That can certainly affect the results.

mind you, in many parts of the world AMD GPUs weren't price competitive or even available until the 6000 series and people tend to buy familiar products let alone people who also use them for work... I only recommend NVIDIA GPU to friends if they are also going to use it for work

hmm I wonder if the survey can detect internet cafe PCs. From what I remember from my childhood playing at internet cafes with like gtx 750tis, the hardware survey message pops up on every login. I just clicked off of it back then.

There is another important factor, I have 2 different GPUs + the integrated one on my machine, Steam is only detecting the first one (which happens to be the integrated card). I wonder how many of the AMD users have the integrated card enabled as well, which would skew the results.

In addition to those that built their own PC versus those that bought a pre-built there are those with pre-builts that upgraded their GPU. So if you make a poll please include those. EG, gaming on a vanilla PC, modified, built from scratch. I have a pre-built but had to upgrade my AIO from the OEM AIO. My CPU was hitting temps of 110C. The new AIO don't fit inside the case. But now the hottest the CPU gets is 70C. It is not a design problem. The room can get around 80F.

You're right on the money. TechTuber audiences are enthusiasts, and most enthusiasts lean toward AMD. This is a bubble. Everyone I play games with on a regular basis, who are afraid to even open their case and use canned air on it, are all on Nvidia gpu's. If you sampled our group, it would be 100% Nvidia. (Yes, I have a 40 series card, because I enjoy RT over 100fps.) How do I know they're all on Nvidia cards? Because when they have problems, I'm their tech support, and no, their problems aren't due to their graphics cards. It's almost always overheating due dirty cases.

I own an Nvidia GPU and I didn't care to fill the survey or to comment, it is as you said in the vdeo, I don't feel the need to support the product or to tell everyone that I have an Nvidia card. I'm happy with my purchase.

is it possible that the steam statistics are populated mostly by gaming laptops? it makes sense since most gaming laptops are only available with nvidia gpu.

I only ever happen to get the Steam survey when I'm on my garage rig which i barely game on these days and that has a first gen i7 with a 1080Ti in it.

I have a NVIDIA gpu, but it’s only because I got a 4090, if I wanted to go more budget, I’d get an AMD.

The thing is, most tech KZfaqrs own and use Nvidia cards in their main rigs (usually 4090 or 4080). For exmaple, both guys from Hardware Unboxed cahnnel are using Nvida cards at home. Kryzzp from zWORMz Gaming channel also uses RTX card as his main GPU. Same goes to ALL our local tech guys as well. I have never heard that any person, connected with the tech world, uses AMD GPU. AMD is only discussed seriously when people are talking about value proposition in lower end PCs. Anywhere else - it is just Nivida.

It's possible country makes a difference for brand split. When I did my last build I know there were some good AMD video card deals in the US that we didn't seem to have in Canada.

How big of a percentage of the Steam survey is Nvidia laptop GPUs, because I believe it's quite hard to find a laptop with a dedicated Radeon GPU, because that only seem to be the CPU integrated GPU that they use?

last year i built a whole AMD system for the first time (never bought anything AMD ever) and my experience has been mostly positive

Your underdog theory is exactly right

My first pc build last week went with the 7900xt so far so good

Your content is so useful that I do not skip ads.

Nvidia also dominates in gaming laptops. In the 2017 survey the 1050ti & 1060 were the dominating GPUs because Nvidia released compact versions of them. In 2024, its the 3060 & 1650 for the same reason. They are usually the only options avaliable for many laptops with discrete GPUs.

6800XT here. If I had waited a few months more, it would have been a 7800XT. If I slept on giant piles of money every night, it would have been a 4090.

In my opinion Steam HW survey is more of a cookie type of thing. I noticed that everytime I log into my Steam account and I use it for some time on a new or upgraded device (upgraded in more invasive way like new CPU, GPU, MoBo or RAM and not storage space or things like case, fans, coolers or expansion cards and accessories) that is when I get the notification about Steam HW survey and once I take it Im never asked again until I start using new or upgraded system and even then its after some amount of time (so it wont appear when I use my account once or twice on another device). Thats why I think Steam is frequently monitoring what hardware accounts are using and only after it analyzes the system as new or upgraded one it asks user to participate in the survey but the fact it asks after it notices a change makes me think the entire survey is just like they ask for permission to use data gathered on the user to be used in the official survey results. Thats at least my opinion on the Steam HW survey functionality..

I've seen the survey request few times in my old notebook with Nvidia GT740M in the last 15 years. And none on my full AMD PC 😔

I think it's just AMD users being more vocal about what they have, while Nvidia users generally are less likely to talk about that. Also it wasn't until 6000 series that AMD really got their driver right, so most people just buy Nvidia cards because they had good experience with them before and are not willing to take risk.

Almost every youtube poll I've gotten about anything has people commenting they chose the minority option. Kinda weird.

a HUGE amount of NVIDIA hardware on steam are internet cafe hardware. In Ho Chi Minh city - Vietnam, there are like 50-100 internet cafes, each has around 50pcs, and they all use NVIDIA hardware.

The steam hardware survey also includes the long tail of old hardware which probably skews even more for Nvidia. Even if there was a hypothetical recent change in the sales data it would be reflected in the hardware survey data rather slowly.

good point, counting different logins to steam from same hardware

AMD users are commenting on KZfaq videos. Nvidia users are playing games.

So I game with 5700 XT, RX 580, RTX 2070, RTX 2080 Super, RTX 3070, and RTX 4070 Super. All have been surveyed by Steam.

i get the steam survey every year and have always bought and built with an amd cpu and nvidia gpu. I also have a pre-built mini media pc with an integrated amd processor that has never received the survey.

Everyone in the nerd zone uses Firefox, runs Linux, and has an AMD graphics card. The are ppl are also the most vocal.

I recently bought my first AMD card after using a 2060 Super for the past 5 years. I have yet to try it with Blender, but so far it's been a pretty alright experience. I've heard a lot of mixed things about AMD drivers, but I haven't had any issues quite yet aside from my home's tap water turning a bright red color, though I assume this is just an AMD marketing tactic.

In Germany, we have very high electricity costs compared to the rest of the world, which is one of the reasons (including me) why many are more likely to resort to NVIDIA. Because in the same performance segment, an AMD card consumes an average of 25-30% more power.

I have used AMD for years my friends new PC has the 7900 gre, but for every amd user there is basically 5 nvidia users. Most gaming laptops still are intel/nvidia, or even AMD/nvidia. MANY Prebuilts are made with nvidia, and productivity suites are optimized for nvidia so it's essentially the nature of the big green monster.

Very good analysis, Daniel. You brought up a lot of issues that I didn't think of. When I commented on your poll, I brought up only that the content of your videos is targeted at people who are looking for the best bang for the buck and are the people that AMD especially appeals to.

My brother who works in IT has always built his own pc and mine for over twenty years. He is not into graphic realism like i am so he is really all into AMD while am more Intel and Nvidea. I was so impressed though with how happy he is with AMD i was tempted to switch especially with all the incredible rise in gpu cards during the pandemic but he told me am particular and probably better off sticking with Intel and Nvidea while still pushing the positives of AMD such as better upgrade life span where he is still upgrading all his current pcs that are five or more years older while i already hit the upgrade wall two years ago with my i7 8700 with a RTX 2060. Fortunately my i7 8700 runs everything great and it has only been this year where my settings have gone down to medium and high instead of high and ultra at 1080p or 1440p. Thanks for the always informative and commonsense videos and happy computing! ☕

I've said many times if we went by social media comments, you'd think AMD had a 50% GPU market share 😂

How is the hardware survey done? Did they add in the people using amd and nvidia for ai stuff to? Because maybe gamers is more elike 60/40 but when it come to ai and all that stuff nvidia for sure wil lead probably to 75% when add both together.

what about the Geforce Now? Any chance the cloud logins count too?

Bought a 6700xt gpu/5700x cpu last year for my new build. Best price/performance at the time. Nvidia price scheme is obscene.

It’s called being a fanboy. They are extremely vocal because they bizarrely proud of buying an amd card.

I'm proud owner of RX 6800 and it's serving me well but it's kinda started to struggle at 4k in some games on like ultra

Had a AMD GPU, and just kept having weird issues. I wanted to love the card, but just didn’t give me what I wanted. Might be willing to try it again sometime, but not for a few gens

Nvidia user here, I've got a 4070 super and couldn't be happier with it, had a 1660 super previously and bought a 6700 xt as well because some youtubers recommended it. However I regretted the purchase of the amd card because of subpar latency tech compared to nvidias reflex and worse upscaling tech as well. I rather have a slower nvidia card than an amd card without the nivida tech.

6800xt still happy with it.

I think you did mention it in the video in passing, but I think it's worth saying again that having the correct sample size is very important for determining the reliability (confidence?) of the conclusion. It's been awhile, so I could be fuzzy on the terminologies. As it seems is the case in all things, what the optimal sample size is for a given study/survey is "it depends" 😁 It's a shame Steam doesn't make more data available for their survey, including the specifics of how they collect data each month. It would go a long way to helping decide how much to trust their survey data and why there are abnormalities sometimes. One thing I took away from my engineering classes in college was that every solution to a problem has implied assumptions and boundary conditions. Especially when math is involved! If you don't know what those assumptions and conditions are, then you don't really understand your solution/answer either.

I have amd but got a 6800xt used, quite happy with the perf, gpu price / perf is really bad rn imo for new stuff.

Nvidia owner here…RTX 4080 super suprim. I would consider AMD when FSR is as good or better than DLSS

i had 7900XT, switched to 4070ti Super because of RT, DLSS. no regrets ...

I had a 7900xt but then it made KZfaq videos studder and discord calls especially when my capture card is monitoring audio which is also affected where these audio and video studders delayed the entire capture card till I closed and reopened the software. I returned it and got a 4070 ti super

What would be a fair price for a used RTX 3080 12GB card?

Usually PC gamers less tech savvy buy Nvidia because it's rare to find pre builds and laptops that use AMD Radeon gpus which are their main purchase options.

I watch your channel and many other tech channels. I am in the fortunate position of being able to get enthusiast GPUs. My last 5 GPUs: RTX 4090 RTX 3080 Ti RTX 2080 Ti GTX 1080 Ti GTX 1080 For me to consider AMD now, they need to be faster than 5090, they need to have better SR than DLSS, they need to have better FG than DLSS (yes it is better less artifacting and judder) they need RR and more importantly they need to be cheaper. Also Nvidia Broadcast is incredible, I can have my fan and vacuum full blast next to my microphone and my friends cannot hear anything but my voice.

How much of the AMD numbers are being skewed by the steam deck and other AMD based handhelds?

I have an AMD RX 6700 XT. I have only gotten the Steam survey, once and it was a couple of months ago.

Love my 7900xtx

Ppl just HAVE to let the world know they have AMD, its pretty funny

LTT has once made a short experiment to demonstrate this on the wan show. It is the same topic with Firefox vs other browsers like Chrome and Edge. When asked, the majority of people answered that they use firefox, but in reality when looking at the websites user data, only a minority uses Firefox.

KZfaq lists the posts in reverse order of posting. Meaning the latest comments are higher than older comments