Daniel Cormier & Ariel Helwani have differing views on the Max Rohskopf situation | DC & Helwani

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4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cormier and Ariel Helwani discuss the controversy surrounding Max Rohskopf telling his cornerman Robert Drysdale to call the fight after the second round of his UFC debut vs. Austin Hubbard at UFC Vegas 3.
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@ShadyStephen
@ShadyStephen 3 жыл бұрын
Met DC at the airport a day after he lost to stipe.. he ended up getting on the same plane as me to Lafayette.. was the nicest person I’ve ever met
@lm2487
@lm2487 3 жыл бұрын
That was not DC.
@Luka-hl6pe
@Luka-hl6pe 3 жыл бұрын
did he eye poke you by accident?
@erbob1
@erbob1 3 жыл бұрын
@@lm2487 thats racist
@saintchito
@saintchito 3 жыл бұрын
@@erbob1 that's homophobic
@illyme20
@illyme20 3 жыл бұрын
l m Literally everyone that meets DC says he’s the nicest guy.
@russell6075
@russell6075 3 жыл бұрын
DC's mindset doesn't allow him to accept failure thats why he sees it the way he does not everyone is built like this but this is why he reached the heights he did
@MrKev7
@MrKev7 3 жыл бұрын
Agree💯💯💯
@nickkelly3199
@nickkelly3199 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, DC doesn't have the mindset of a regular person or even a regular fighter in the UFC. His perspective is interesting but not really comparable to what the average fighter may fear/feel in similar situations.
@russell6075
@russell6075 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickkelly3199 correct
@russell6075
@russell6075 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewmelange awkward when even boss man showed sympathy for the kid even related to the kid himself. Not everything is a conspiracy bud
@MrKev7
@MrKev7 3 жыл бұрын
I mean in DC's defence he did said that he would give the kid out after like 50s he's not getting up "the stool"
@a6340
@a6340 3 жыл бұрын
We can't criticize Anthony Smith's corner for not stopping that fight last month and hate on this kid for stopping his own fight. can't have it both ways
@cjpearce1407
@cjpearce1407 3 жыл бұрын
Kid was exhausted. Smith's teeth were falling out. Vastly different cases
@mrdiippzzz7444
@mrdiippzzz7444 3 жыл бұрын
Cj Pearce >>
@_gamepoint_
@_gamepoint_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@cjpearce1407 so he is supposed to keep fighting until he gets to that point? When he knows that's where it is inevitably going?
@guy5140
@guy5140 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t compare
@vaughnordakowski8774
@vaughnordakowski8774 3 жыл бұрын
@@_gamepoint_ "inevitably" is a terrible attitude. Fighters keep going because openings will always present themselves. The other fighter could end up gassing in the third while max could get a second wind. Max could've managed a takedown, mma has infinite possibilities and those crazy possibilities happen fairly often
@libaaxalee
@libaaxalee 3 жыл бұрын
Arial is going to make DC lose rest of his hair very soon.
@triggerhappyjay4794
@triggerhappyjay4794 3 жыл бұрын
Lmaoooo
@seanmatthewking
@seanmatthewking 3 жыл бұрын
eyebrows at risk
@AlphaQHard
@AlphaQHard 3 жыл бұрын
DC needs to shave his head. Its over
@paulfrost7577
@paulfrost7577 3 жыл бұрын
He has No hair
@aabidshah4474
@aabidshah4474 3 жыл бұрын
Where's Quintin Rampage Jackson when we need him. He can save us from Helwani!
@BR-ex9xp
@BR-ex9xp 3 жыл бұрын
Ridiculous statement.
@voiceofreason9780
@voiceofreason9780 3 жыл бұрын
Malls are re-opening. He's bra shopping.
@noahlenten8360
@noahlenten8360 3 жыл бұрын
ariel bit of a clown man he needs a cheeky slap for sure so he knows it aint so bad
@joshuabatts85
@joshuabatts85 3 жыл бұрын
Open hand slap
@boston312
@boston312 3 жыл бұрын
Rampage is traveling the world banging hot hookers.
@matthewcurrymma6354
@matthewcurrymma6354 3 жыл бұрын
I will always listen to the person who has actually fought and knows what’s going on in the mind of a fighter over a journalist who specializes in drama
@rhcp1212rhcp
@rhcp1212rhcp 3 жыл бұрын
Right, problem is Max is also a fighter... it turns out, DC has no say in this because he said himself he’s never felt like quitting, he always just was ready to get back out win or lose... Which means every fighter doesn’t have the same mentality or morals principles or whatever u wanna call it. The bottom line is, Max said he wanted out, but he wasn’t beaten to a pulp... if he was starting to get hurt Bad then it would be wrong if the corner didn’t throw in the towel, but for his corner not to try and push him woulda been wrong too... so if u ask me, nobody was at fault here, everything went the way it should have. Dude signed up for a fight, so he shoulda fought... 5 days notice and I’m done isn’t an excuse, he shouldn’t have taken the fight if he wasn’t in shape or prepared.otherwise, Why not quit after 30 seconds, especially if you realize you don’t stand a chance. Because that’s not how it works, you gotta get out there and try, and if you don’t then you gotta deal with the humility of having to have a loss along with a By way of “no mas” On your record
@dillanversai6717
@dillanversai6717 3 жыл бұрын
DC..seems like a legit and humble dude.. a man with integrity..
@Mr47CRO
@Mr47CRO 3 жыл бұрын
Especially when he eyepokes a man into retina surgery. True integrity
@cristianflorin9894
@cristianflorin9894 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mr47CRO thank you bro
@RT-qz5ci
@RT-qz5ci 3 жыл бұрын
Here come the stipe fanboys 🙄
@marshallhelms6532
@marshallhelms6532 3 жыл бұрын
DC knows the game and has great "humanity". Just a solid guy. That said, exhaustion in a fight is terrifying. When you have nothing left, even when you dig, your just gonna get a beating. The damage is real and sometimes permanent. These guys put alot on the line. Lets see if the kid comes back. Might just be a major lesson learned
@LeviHeatonIII
@LeviHeatonIII 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. He really seems like a nice guy. He also seems like he needs to go back to high school. Not very intelligent.
@ssaini5028
@ssaini5028 3 жыл бұрын
"ARIEL HELWANI WAS NEVER MY FRIEND" DANA WHITE
@boxingexpert9065
@boxingexpert9065 3 жыл бұрын
Dana makes Ariel cry
@vvvtwo
@vvvtwo 3 жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@str8904
@str8904 3 жыл бұрын
The faces DC was making when Ariel was talking 💀💀💀
@Mendaxxx
@Mendaxxx 3 жыл бұрын
Closest DC will ever get to tell Ariel to SHUT THE F UP
@CB-dl1vg
@CB-dl1vg 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll listen to the Warrior when talking about war, not the Jester.
@CB-dl1vg
@CB-dl1vg 3 жыл бұрын
Matt You got the point bro and so did everyone else. Take KZfaq comments with a pinch of salt
@Trackformers
@Trackformers 3 жыл бұрын
So ur logic is: Listen to the fighter when he's outside the ring flubbing his gumms, but not IN the ring. hahaha What a ridiculous mindset..
@CB-dl1vg
@CB-dl1vg 3 жыл бұрын
@@Trackformers DC is one of the most experienced and accomplished fighters in the world, so I will listen to his opinion on the matter over Ariel every time. I never said I agreed with everything DC said, just that he can offer a broader and more informed perspective on the issue than a journalist who has never accomplished anything in professional sports. "hahaha What a ridiculous mindset". It is possible to disagree with someone without disrespecting and trying to humiliate them. God bless bro, have a great day
@rickycheung6857
@rickycheung6857 3 жыл бұрын
"Yea, cuz she went out there." DC shutting Ariel down.
@efeozdural1857
@efeozdural1857 3 жыл бұрын
there's a big difference in fighters talking about this stuff and other people. Especially fighters as intelligent and experienced as Chael Sonnen and Daniel Cormier.
@Trrippy_Shades
@Trrippy_Shades 3 жыл бұрын
Efe Ozdural please
@mahony617
@mahony617 3 жыл бұрын
Efe Ozdural id throw dominic Cruz in there
@stevewall7044
@stevewall7044 3 жыл бұрын
@@ricecowboy The worst beating is that bad Memory of quitting during a pivotal part of your Career. Thanks god she does not have to live with that for the rest of her life.
@LeRobb3
@LeRobb3 3 жыл бұрын
9:45 "You gotta get up, D"... I relate champ, I relate
@patrikiosvatemanopoulos
@patrikiosvatemanopoulos 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@Michael-cg4un
@Michael-cg4un 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god you're such a dork 😂
@716reese6
@716reese6 3 жыл бұрын
This happened to me with this one Girl I was tryna get for a while😂 I wasn’t my night and I never got the chance again
@MichaelP-ke1tm
@MichaelP-ke1tm 3 жыл бұрын
@@716reese6 What are you?? 50 years old???
@MichaelP-ke1tm
@MichaelP-ke1tm 3 жыл бұрын
@Sïôro Are you 60??
@Goval400
@Goval400 3 жыл бұрын
Ariel would be great for CNN
@turdturbo9799
@turdturbo9799 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂 FACTS
@user-hf8es5lr9m
@user-hf8es5lr9m 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah cuz he’s got 2 sets of lips
@GoodieRapper
@GoodieRapper 3 жыл бұрын
Phillip S berry bad cnn lies and creates drama lmao
@markrichard2267
@markrichard2267 3 жыл бұрын
LMAO. Ariel is horrible!
@artbmarshall
@artbmarshall 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! My thoughts exactly!
@BPH29
@BPH29 3 жыл бұрын
Of course the non fighter feels more strongly about this situation. Calm down Ariel
@jumaris9052
@jumaris9052 3 жыл бұрын
💯
@gumball5024
@gumball5024 3 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to disagree with Ariel on this one though.
@putsipop4605
@putsipop4605 3 жыл бұрын
Ariel is as soft as a human can be
@theolddarksoul1129
@theolddarksoul1129 3 жыл бұрын
@@gumball5024 but DC was also right though if you've ever played any sport you know coaching will do whatever they can to motivate you to finish they won't let you quit
@iblitz6307
@iblitz6307 3 жыл бұрын
@@theolddarksoul1129 100% agree, i'd be shocked if the coach threw in the towel right away.
@rain.0_0.
@rain.0_0. 3 жыл бұрын
Dude was on a five days notice, that's barely enough time to even make weight
@jackjon7763
@jackjon7763 3 жыл бұрын
Unless his walking around weight is close to his fighting weight. I thought they introduced regulations preventing massive weight cuts in short amounts of time. With periodic weigh ins.
@elcartero6897
@elcartero6897 3 жыл бұрын
Excuses
@MrNoorIskandar
@MrNoorIskandar 3 жыл бұрын
@@elcartero6897 TROLL
@byroncowell6883
@byroncowell6883 3 жыл бұрын
Always stay ready. It's not an office job.
@awaister
@awaister 3 жыл бұрын
@IVEY 96 So ? That still doesn't change the fact that he wasn't fully prepared, it still doesn't change the fact that he was absolutely gassed in the middle of the second round because he didn't get a full camp, nobody's making excuse for his loss, we're just saying he isn't a quitter just because he didn't wanna take unnecessary damage
@perk_nowinski516
@perk_nowinski516 3 жыл бұрын
Lol it’s easy to call someone a quitter when your not getting punched in the liver
@perk_nowinski516
@perk_nowinski516 3 жыл бұрын
Jordan's Channel the illusion is always there until your in the reality
@rivh12
@rivh12 3 жыл бұрын
@@perk_nowinski516 illusion or imagination can become reality but you have to fight to make it happen. He just needs a tough trainer who tortures him in the gym and motivates him.
@MrFriendlyCsgoContent
@MrFriendlyCsgoContent 3 жыл бұрын
No
@jtpiercy1966
@jtpiercy1966 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah kid stopped it but its his body and his rules
@KrikZ32
@KrikZ32 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's the real thing man, you can't try and force someone to go get hit with the bombs Austin Hubbard was throwing
@I-am-stevo
@I-am-stevo 3 жыл бұрын
If the weight cut issues are true then it's best not to take shots to the head unnecessarily because that would be the likely cause of a serious injury in the cage. Save yourself and if you can't cut well next time go up a class
@fufu_from_eso
@fufu_from_eso 3 жыл бұрын
yeah but now he will get cut. if he took his beating he'd still have a job.
@howarddukes9270
@howarddukes9270 3 жыл бұрын
fufu from eso I really doubt with everything that is happen with this he’s going to get fired lol
@nutpimple2143
@nutpimple2143 3 жыл бұрын
yeah his body and his rules, so he should be playing squash its better for him.
@metsrus
@metsrus 3 жыл бұрын
I would listen more to someone who has actually fought and cornered people.
@petterroalstad1295
@petterroalstad1295 3 жыл бұрын
Cormier corners fighters from aka
@MrNoFairy
@MrNoFairy 3 жыл бұрын
@@petterroalstad1295 That's the point.
@robertbarrow8383
@robertbarrow8383 3 жыл бұрын
DC on the commentary desk is so beautiful dudes the mans man
@ps9501
@ps9501 3 жыл бұрын
It's pleasure for eyes to see dc commentating
@kingsmma1
@kingsmma1 3 жыл бұрын
Hate when Ariel rants, he’s just whining
@JohnDoe-xl9bk
@JohnDoe-xl9bk 3 жыл бұрын
@jakiiboi8 I too did not come for Ariel Hellawhiny. I dont think anyone does?
@gavsdelight1489
@gavsdelight1489 3 жыл бұрын
Simple, the coach had one minute to psych up his fighter, if at the last second he still says he doesn’t want to fight, grant his wish
@FireMrshlBill
@FireMrshlBill 3 жыл бұрын
Ya, he saw everything his fighter did to prep on 5 days notice and cut weight, the years of training, etc. Especially since he has been there himself. He owes it to his fighter to take that minute before making a decision. I just wish there was a way the hecould have made the call without the world knowing that Max was tossing it in himself. Not because I think any less of him, but because of how Dana White, other fighters and many fans will. Given he took the challenge on 5 days and prob had next to nothing in the tank going in, I'd hope he'd have another shot. Dana gave mixed messages on it, he basically said right after the fight that the kid gave up so no, but then he also made comments in the post fight presser saying anyone that judges this kid, who took the short notice and stepped in there, should keep their mouths shut. So who knows.
@LGseeker
@LGseeker 3 жыл бұрын
Ill listen to DC on this, he has been on both sides ( coach & fighter ), Ariel just needs to relax and cut the number of ads in this video.
@josephbirmingham5939
@josephbirmingham5939 3 жыл бұрын
1 ad 😂
@joeconnolly2489
@joeconnolly2489 3 жыл бұрын
Ads? like adderall lol nosa
@schoecker24
@schoecker24 3 жыл бұрын
Joseph Birmingham I was about to say the same thing lol
@fonzmendez6917
@fonzmendez6917 3 жыл бұрын
Number 1 comment
@conor-_C
@conor-_C 3 жыл бұрын
Zero adds
@BashirKhan-vs2hc
@BashirKhan-vs2hc 3 жыл бұрын
Ariel proving Dana right- the Schmo challenging Helwani is like calling out a girl
@mrsweets1642
@mrsweets1642 3 жыл бұрын
his fight is not in the ring, each their's.. obviously urs is in ur mom's basement, with ur keyboard
@markroyds23
@markroyds23 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrsweets1642 shut up ariel
@trevormichaud8701
@trevormichaud8701 3 жыл бұрын
dana also said "the weakest, wimpiest, people on earth... cover the biggest, baddest sport on earth."
@ademircb
@ademircb 3 жыл бұрын
Ariel would probably quit 9 times before the fight even starts
@joablavinmelgoza9002
@joablavinmelgoza9002 3 жыл бұрын
@@trevormichaud8701 if you think about it, its good for the sport. he bring some type of people, the schmo it like a freaky to.
@robertstokes9034
@robertstokes9034 3 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad the sport has someone like DC. Always makes fair points and can see fighting from coach and athlete perspectives.
@SeanBHiran
@SeanBHiran 3 жыл бұрын
The same logic can be used on everyone in here saying Ariel doesn’t have the credentials to comment on fighting because he’s never fought. Us commenting on Ariel shouldn’t be allowed to because we’ve never done his job at the level he’s doing it. If we say he can’t comment because he’s never fought in the UFC, then we can’t comment on him because we haven’t been reporting the sport for more than 10 years and we don’t have a show on ESPN like Ariel. 😂😂
@psychoticdaizyproductions569
@psychoticdaizyproductions569 3 жыл бұрын
Id believe that for most sports. But mma is one of those sports where... if you are always watching the news and keeping up... you very likely train haha tournaments may be more rare but.... yeah youd be surprised haha
@kulkarnisiddharth25
@kulkarnisiddharth25 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone has the right to make their opinions... Its on us who we listen to..
@travisgilmour7929
@travisgilmour7929 3 жыл бұрын
Pettis didn't have a broken hand vs Tony. He quit and his coach said ok
@Enrique-peralta
@Enrique-peralta 3 жыл бұрын
Pettis was already a world champion who defended his belt 2 WAY WAY different scenarios
@monstermunch7083
@monstermunch7083 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t even think he quit I think duke pulled him out, I remember waiting for the hand updates and none came lol but tony is a animal
@evadevries2952
@evadevries2952 3 жыл бұрын
Pettis wanted out...and it wasn't the first time.
@seanrice35
@seanrice35 3 жыл бұрын
DC has it spot on - there’s a right and a wrong here. The coach has a responsibility to ‘G’ up his fighter mentally, and if drysdale was visibly psyching max into the fight that was fine But no amount of ‘G’ing max up would have got his mind in that fight. DC is so right perhaps the intention was there, but after 40 seconds or so he should have called it
@sarcasticslowking9149
@sarcasticslowking9149 3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree here
@MrSFblack
@MrSFblack 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@User-is2kf
@User-is2kf 3 жыл бұрын
If you watch max coach video on Instagram he did call it at the end
@robderp
@robderp 3 жыл бұрын
User no the ref went over, and asked Max if he wanted to continue, when he said no, that’s when the fight was stopped.
@mattreef3379
@mattreef3379 Жыл бұрын
DC saying that calling it shouldnt really be one the table for a fighter is true too(at least at the highest lv like the ufc). I understand that he wanted out and was getting beat up and was exhausted but there are probably 100 ufc fights where the fighter is more tired and/more beat up than Max was and yet they continued to fight. You would hope that people getting into mma have the mindset and mental toughness to stick out the hard fights. This fight also showed that Max seems to not have been tested in his training
@warweaponx6629
@warweaponx6629 3 жыл бұрын
Feel bad for this kid. “Fatigue makes cowards of us all“
@markbritton7612
@markbritton7612 2 жыл бұрын
He didn’t have the experience or maturity to see the forest past the trees. A fake knock out would’ve been better, anything.
@dukequach2610
@dukequach2610 3 жыл бұрын
Max was exhausted in the second round and he couldn't bring up his hands to punch. He couldn't hit and kept getting hit hard. Max would be too tired and be a punching bag if he went out to fight in the third round. He could be very damaged and never fight again. I thought he was down 2 rounds. And even if it were 1 and 1, everything should be based on situation. Health comes first.
@xIIxGOBLINxIIx
@xIIxGOBLINxIIx 3 жыл бұрын
There is a ref
@kingsmma1
@kingsmma1 3 жыл бұрын
You’re wrong and here’s why
@noisycomment1990
@noisycomment1990 3 жыл бұрын
Well either way he's not fighting again... or he'll probably be no good emotionally and mentally beyond a punching bag.
@lifeofsnz2216
@lifeofsnz2216 3 жыл бұрын
health actually comes last when it comes to fighting. fighters know what theyre getting into before they fight. fighters know what comes with fighting and we still do it despite losing some health on the way. just a different mindset. exhuasation just means you didn't train. if you walk into any boxing gyms youll see a poster or sign saying something like exhaustion is temporary, exhuasation makes cowards out of people, or being tired means youre not training correctly, how many times do you see boxers at the highest level being exhausted.
@danb239
@danb239 3 жыл бұрын
He wasnt even out of breath
@JohnChristosMolura
@JohnChristosMolura 3 жыл бұрын
Helwani's view is a reflection of the current state of American college students. All theory... No applied experience to temper it to reality.
@MH-fm8fd
@MH-fm8fd 3 жыл бұрын
Get a grip dude. Just say you're a boomer or have boomer tendencies and leave.
@youngboa6305
@youngboa6305 3 жыл бұрын
DC is so humble and unbiased and that's what makes him a truly great fighter and amazing analyst!
@TheArchitect5150
@TheArchitect5150 3 жыл бұрын
unbiased? what??? 😂😂
@yatinrawat8596
@yatinrawat8596 3 жыл бұрын
eye poker too
@youngboa6305
@youngboa6305 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheArchitect5150 look it up. Yes, its a real word. Woooooow
@cozy.elfenomenooooo
@cozy.elfenomenooooo 7 ай бұрын
​@@youngboa6305cry
@c00pdaddy65
@c00pdaddy65 3 жыл бұрын
He’s a grown man, if he doesn’t want to fight he can tell the ref himself he’s done.
@Cts_99
@Cts_99 3 жыл бұрын
It’s your coaches job
@wadeh8418
@wadeh8418 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Everyone is acting like the fight wasn’t stopped.
@DomTullipso
@DomTullipso 3 жыл бұрын
William Smith and the Coach did end up stopping at the last second.
@Kgsoloman-ou6wm
@Kgsoloman-ou6wm 3 жыл бұрын
@@DomTullipso He really didn't though. If you rewatch it; he coach tried to make him go out, at the very last second the fighter told the ref I don't want to continue and the coach said what the fighter did louder as if it was his call.
@samcooke343
@samcooke343 3 жыл бұрын
@@DomTullipso Yeah the coach realised he was going to be on the wrong end of it and tried to save face at the last second. It was Max who called it off by staying on the stool and having to get the inspector's attention because his coach wasn't listening.
@colesmall7436
@colesmall7436 3 жыл бұрын
Why are we listening to Ariel's opinion on fighting? He's the kind of guy that would tap to faints...
@davidaar1947
@davidaar1947 3 жыл бұрын
I love how every guy that has never trained a day in his life like Ariel and ESPN commentators are berating the corner, and everyone that has competed is perfectly fine with it. Robert Drysdale is a guy that knows what’s on the line and has been there himself. Ariel Helwani biggest accomplishment In combat sports is shitting his pants in front of Rampage.
@fagbag9553
@fagbag9553 3 жыл бұрын
@pala pala true
@inkjazz
@inkjazz 3 жыл бұрын
Ultimately that's what happens when the sport is consumed by the masses. What did you expect? 95% of the people watching and paying have no training, and ultimately they are the fans that decide the narrative on the sport.
@christianbaker3564
@christianbaker3564 2 жыл бұрын
It's situational. You don't have to be a fighter to see that kid was mentally defeated. It would've been way too dangerous to send him out there to take more punishment and remember he was brand new. You want to make a career out of this you might want to play the long game and avoid taking Unnecessary damage.
@mattreef3379
@mattreef3379 Жыл бұрын
@@christianbaker3564 on the flip side about the career point is that his career in the UFC is over. He might be able to succeed in other organizations but his opportunity in the UFC is done
@christianbaker3564
@christianbaker3564 Жыл бұрын
@@mattreef3379 I don't think that's true either. Plenty of people have been cut or almost cut and come back fine. If anything that actually makes my point more valid lol. Remember Sage Northcutt? That's a really awful cautionary tale about moving a fighter too fast in the wrong direction.
@Toestubber
@Toestubber 3 жыл бұрын
"I'm not a fighter, everyone knows that. But I know how to listen to people." It shows. This is an excellent conversation.
@hok-man
@hok-man 3 жыл бұрын
Having fought and coached, every fighter is different and have different level of mental toughness... this kid obviously is in constant need of strong encouragement. We had fighters like that, that were greatly skilled and could bring it out if forced... NO ONE WAS WRONG IN THIS CASE
@liverpooljft9623
@liverpooljft9623 3 жыл бұрын
Its easier to judge with time to think about it. The coach had seconds to react. With time to think I would've told the lad just focus on getting your breath back and at the end of the break if you still can't continue we'll throw in the towel.
@darbysmith5189
@darbysmith5189 3 жыл бұрын
DC is a good dude and a great fighter. Nothing but respect and I hope he gets the title back and retires on top!
@kd9452
@kd9452 3 жыл бұрын
I will get the belt back stipe ain't beating me , I just don't think he's good enough to beat me.
@darbysmith5189
@darbysmith5189 3 жыл бұрын
It's not tears , It's sorrow well, if u were DC I would definitely agree 😂😂
@danb239
@danb239 3 жыл бұрын
Never giving yourself an option of quitting is the best life advice you will ever get
@erderscrtus8331
@erderscrtus8331 3 жыл бұрын
Not when you are in a cage with a monster and you arw exhausted..in that case the best advice you can get is lose as few years of your life by not getting punched into another dimension
@Opticillusion160
@Opticillusion160 3 жыл бұрын
Fake S but thats what you signed up to do. If you play any sport you’ll know that the coach is going to push to finish no matter what. Obviously in this scenario he has the right to call off his own fight but it also shows hes just not ready yet
@houstondante777
@houstondante777 3 жыл бұрын
All I know is I’ve competed weeks and days before the Competition at times especially when you’re training low calories no fat on you you need that PUSH encouragement to move on same thing in a fight👊
@kyleritchie7138
@kyleritchie7138 3 жыл бұрын
Apart from the potentially fatal consequences of another highly trained individual trying to take you’re head off obviously. So oh yeah not that similar atall I guess
@rhcp1212rhcp
@rhcp1212rhcp 3 жыл бұрын
Potentially fatal? Don’t be so dramatic... This isn’t the Coliseum...how often do guys die during a MMA fight with an athletic commission a red and a doctor there... your acting like Mario Yamasaki was reffing or something,... and even if that was the case I don’t think he’s had a fatality yet lol... ok dude u wanna quit then quit. Because when somebody says they can’t do something, then they can’t. But it’s up to the corner to change the persons mind, because sometimes if you can make him believe he can do it... he will go out there and try, and might even get a second wind and do it... but if you can’t convince him, then he’s not gonna get off his stool either way.. and deal with the embarrassment later. So that next time, he doesn’t take a short notice fight if he’s not prepared.. you live you learn...
@AbeTheFakeSage
@AbeTheFakeSage 3 жыл бұрын
Max clearly won the 1st round. Especially after that takedown, even though he didn’t do much with it. Just saying.
@Sin10el
@Sin10el 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@SenatorFeathers
@SenatorFeathers 3 жыл бұрын
11:00 Ariel literally tells us how to coach after he told us he’s not a fighter hmmmm
@learning_with_irving4266
@learning_with_irving4266 3 жыл бұрын
It's not a skills issue it's a listening issue. Navy seal applicants can quit whenever they want at BUDS and when they do, that's that and no one is there to force you through tough times. You do it yourself when you can.
@gokubruce24
@gokubruce24 3 жыл бұрын
Just because he isn’t a fighter doesn’t mean he can’t have an opinion. That’s sick a dumb take. So because you don’t make music you can’t have an opinion on it?? Max was literally exhausted. He didn’t want to risk his health and future for a prelim fight where he knew he didn’t have anything. Had he gone out there he might have collapsed and possibly died.
@IR17171717
@IR17171717 3 жыл бұрын
Not all the best coaches are particularly good ex-fighters in most sports. Best football managers in the world were often quite bad ex-players. Same with MMA coaches a lot of the time.
@EyeXombie
@EyeXombie 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know how to fly a plane but I know something went terribly wrong when I see one in a tree.
@floretionguru2977
@floretionguru2977 3 жыл бұрын
What's the difference between saying you don't want to continue when you know you're just piling on damage and tapping out? As others have said, tapping out is just an admission that you know you lost and are ready to quit.
@itsallgooood
@itsallgooood 3 жыл бұрын
Fighters never want to quit. Never! So when your fighter does, you have to listen. Coz it's so uncharacteristic of fighters.
@CSCsports
@CSCsports 3 жыл бұрын
He didnt want to fight into the 3rd round, coach tried to inspire him but max was to exhausted; so Max didnt go out for the 3rd whats wrong.....
@bicyclethief
@bicyclethief 3 жыл бұрын
@Steve Legend nobody knows but Rohskopf if he could really and truly continue. it's easy to talk when you're gambling with someone else's health and well-being.
@thomaslu628
@thomaslu628 3 жыл бұрын
Steve Legend If you know you can’t continue why take the damage.
@KrikZ32
@KrikZ32 3 жыл бұрын
@@jspringer86 like you would know anything about it
@theolddarksoul1129
@theolddarksoul1129 3 жыл бұрын
@Enigma McC he shouldn't have taken the fight then it was his choice
@CSCsports
@CSCsports 3 жыл бұрын
@@theolddarksoul1129 No one is saying no to that opportunity; and he isnt getting that win back... but you live and you learn, he'll be better prepared throughout his career
@ivantigaisha
@ivantigaisha 3 жыл бұрын
DC is getting really good at interrupting
@sepiarain
@sepiarain 3 жыл бұрын
And thats good... because his insight means a lot more.
@AkamapD
@AkamapD 3 жыл бұрын
And at Eyepoking. Learned from JJ
@PBNJ95
@PBNJ95 3 жыл бұрын
i care way more about what DC thinks then Ariel anyway haha
@reesecarrington7224
@reesecarrington7224 3 жыл бұрын
Its Ariel it doesn't matter
@alexandercrush
@alexandercrush 3 жыл бұрын
10:34 The look of disgust on Cormier face while looking at Ariel at that moment XD
@WitsEnds
@WitsEnds 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody knows better than the fighter how they feel. It's the fighter's call to make.
@lixia20
@lixia20 3 жыл бұрын
GSP tapped against Serra. It helped the longevity of his career. Helwani is making a great point.
@eldragonrojo9583
@eldragonrojo9583 3 жыл бұрын
DC is right on this one
@robertmontgomery1920
@robertmontgomery1920 3 жыл бұрын
The kid quit his career and the coach wanted to save him from working at starbucks
@MichaelP-ke1tm
@MichaelP-ke1tm 3 жыл бұрын
Too late
@obowurx6625
@obowurx6625 3 жыл бұрын
Good convo
@newageassholes
@newageassholes 3 жыл бұрын
Max:call it Luke Rockhold's jaw:ditto
@samdobson2220
@samdobson2220 3 жыл бұрын
I can't stand Helwani's views, always pulling out points that don't add up or don't properly relate to the issue and usually getting called on it too.
@BladedBishop
@BladedBishop 3 жыл бұрын
Fighters always find a way and has to dig deep. Someone ppl have different switch and Max might be that type of fighter. Its definatly a learning lesson for him and it's interesting to see what he would be for his next fight.
@huntedhunter4152
@huntedhunter4152 3 жыл бұрын
The best MMA Journalist and one of the best Analytical Athletes/Fighters in the world discussing a TOUGH topic in a way that will educate the fans and show respect to the fighter that didn’t have his “fastball” Saturday night . Everyone wins! GREAT JOB GUYS!!! THATS HOW YOU GROW YOUR SPORT!
@matheusmarques7009
@matheusmarques7009 3 жыл бұрын
Ariel believing his point of view is as valid as Cormier is just hilarious.
@jimdungbeatle548
@jimdungbeatle548 3 жыл бұрын
Ariel has been an ufc analyst for a long time so i’d say his points are very valid
@blackmanwhitesuit
@blackmanwhitesuit 3 жыл бұрын
Armchair warriors have become too strong in this generation. Even as an armchair analyst myself, I can see people think way too highly of their provincial opinions.
@matheusmarques7009
@matheusmarques7009 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimdungbeatle548 He can be an analyst for the rest of his life, this will still not compare to having a single mma fight.
@lilmixdboy
@lilmixdboy 3 жыл бұрын
Max clearly won round 1. I dont care what anyone says. That's story about Max needing a push changes my whole perspective because I was outraged at first when I watched the fight live
@SaintsCheat
@SaintsCheat 3 жыл бұрын
jack daniels reading comp issues huh. Lol he was outraged at the coach I’m guessing. As I was. But it seems like the kid lives with the coach and the coach knows him way better than anyone there. Seems like he is the type of kid who needs a “push” and he wasn’t badly hurt per say ie: Smith/Furgeson. He just didn’t want to continue. So be it. But we are not as outraged as we were at the coach for not “calling it”. Does your casual mind comprende ? 😂🤷‍♂️
@parawill7074
@parawill7074 3 жыл бұрын
@@SaintsCheat - You should be praising that coach. No coach should quit for their fighter when they haven't voiced an issue that hampers them physically. Max didn't want to fight anymore and that is totally unacceptable in the middle of competition. Don't matter how short his notice was or the weight cut, you don't quit on a stool and then stick around to watch your opponent get his hands raised. The coach tried to save him by trying to push him beyond that mental barrier in his head. Max needed to be the one that quit himself and own the decision. No coach should bail out a quitter. It doesn't protect them in the future because it could easily happen again since they never had to deal with the shame. Max needed to face this demon on his own and confront it. Hopefully, he will be able to redeem himself and learn from it.
@Beiskraft
@Beiskraft 3 жыл бұрын
At the end Ariel is mouth open like 'wuuut' lol
@samdihm4884
@samdihm4884 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best debate of DC and Ariel to date! So many good points back and forth
@thewalruswasjason101
@thewalruswasjason101 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, who to side with... the guy who has never competed at a high level in mma or the decorated world champion and coach?🤷🏻‍♂️
@zxJC34xz
@zxJC34xz 3 жыл бұрын
Calm down Ariel lol
@MrKev7
@MrKev7 3 жыл бұрын
He does have fair points tho
@dmsalomon
@dmsalomon 3 жыл бұрын
He has to explain to DC since he's been in fights and DC don't know what is like to be wrestling in the UFC. Oh, got that backwards, my bad
@mikedangerdoes
@mikedangerdoes 3 жыл бұрын
DC has it spot on. It's a complex situation and I'm sure if he had more than a half a minute to think things through, the coach might have, especially with hindsight, said something differently or tried a different approach. But in the heat of the moment he's trying to do his job to the best of his ability and understanding. Probably should have realised eventually that Max wasn't going back out, but like DC says he's thinking of how this is going to affect the kid later on too.
@ninjastorm540
@ninjastorm540 3 жыл бұрын
There has been many fights where a fighter was getting beat most of the rounds but managed to endure and pull out a last-minute win. The First fight between Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen is a great example. The coach believed his wrestling was better and if he could take him down he may pull out the win. In the end of the day maybe he should have ended it if the fighter was that against it but people shouldn't bash the coach for trying his best to motivate his fighter to endure. Thats what any athlete would want their coach to do. Im sure all of the greats had one moment in life where they thought they couldn't do it but still did.
@fastbreak0822
@fastbreak0822 3 жыл бұрын
YO DC......... You can say it bluntly bro..... Homeboy quit and it is not ok to quit... Hopefully for this kid he will learn from this, get back on the horse immediately and NEVER QUIT ever again...... His coaching was poor prior to fight because he was not prepared... His coach was correct in telling his fighter to push through... Fighters with 100 times the damage have finished fights....
@LeRobb3
@LeRobb3 3 жыл бұрын
Kid should not be forced to receive damage if he doesnt want it. Coach tried to inspire him but he was out of it. Should not be that big a deal...
@muhammadmudassir2441
@muhammadmudassir2441 3 жыл бұрын
If the fighter says he can't continue then he cant that's simple af .The fighter is mentally beat at this point and someone can't force him to continue.
@Arsncrazii
@Arsncrazii 3 жыл бұрын
The great henry cejudo once said you need 2 things to succeed....skill and heart.....Max clearly missed the second one...BIG TIME
@justjplz6476
@justjplz6476 2 жыл бұрын
Why can’t i find the fight anywhere??
@dittothilakarajan1664
@dittothilakarajan1664 3 жыл бұрын
Was heartbreaking too see it was like get him out there after He said I dont wanna do this
@remycris2108
@remycris2108 3 жыл бұрын
It was heartbreaking seeing him ruin his own career like that. He wasn’t getting absolutely destroyed, he was gassed and wanted out
@traws06
@traws06 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t get why everyone thinks he has to call it before the bell rings for the next round. Give your fighter every opportunity to dig deep. If the ref says it’s time for the next round and the fighter still says no then call it. I would’ve waited and let him rest til last second, then called it if he still was too exhausted. Calling it at 40 seconds doesn’t protect the fighter any more than calling it at 60 seconds.
@dittothilakarajan1664
@dittothilakarajan1664 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah He wasnt losin it Was pretty close and im sure He would have lasted one more round but if He says He dont want to continue to the ref and tells his Coach I dont wanna do this its prolly better to just Stop the fight
@nicholasflores679
@nicholasflores679 3 жыл бұрын
To me Ariel is starting to think he’s way more important and bigger than he actually is. Like he literally thinks he knows more than actually fighters.
@billbixby557
@billbixby557 3 жыл бұрын
I see this comment section is - as always - chalked full of grizzled battle hardened warriors lending their wisdom to the issue of someone not willing to have their brains beaten in any further when clearly it wasn't his night. In reality we have a bunch of folks with Bavarian creme dripping down their collective chins as they condemn an actual cage fighter as a quitter. If you have actually followed the UFC for some time you will see many fighter 'quitting' on themselves by simply turned away and covering their head, allowing their opponent to wail on them until the ref steps in and hoping that process doesn't take too long...see any lopsided Mario Yamasaki match for a more detailed analysis. Me? In case your were wondering ... ...I'm no combat sport participant, never actually been in a 1 on 1 fight in my life...I've been severely beat down a few times but the circumstances were a bit different.
@ryanruiz73
@ryanruiz73 3 жыл бұрын
Great questions Helwani.. Great answers D.C
@jeremygreenfeld7746
@jeremygreenfeld7746 3 жыл бұрын
It was the first fight on the card, there would have been almost no crowd noise regardless of current circumstances.
@gangstar8652
@gangstar8652 3 жыл бұрын
Yah, they are normally silent at that point aren't they.
@ROCKSOLID2008
@ROCKSOLID2008 3 жыл бұрын
YOU CANT TEACH A MAN TO HAVE HEART OR THE " I RATHER DIE THAN QUIT " MENTALITY. U JUST CANT TEACH IT.
@alloutofbubblegum127
@alloutofbubblegum127 3 жыл бұрын
You can, I remember my first 1000m swim, I was a young kid & wanted to give in so bad, really had enough. The coach wouldn't let me, she kept taking my hands off the side & directing me to do another length. I never quit when the going got tough in that sport ever again, not even in training. Until I got tired of the people in the sport & walked away.
@EPSTomcat11
@EPSTomcat11 3 жыл бұрын
Helwhiny is such a drama queen
@Castlepa26
@Castlepa26 3 жыл бұрын
I really like DC & HELWANI together they do a great job off of one another and there's a good chemistry because of their different perspectives.👍🏼
@oneofthosepeople2101
@oneofthosepeople2101 3 жыл бұрын
He looks like DC is speaking an entire different language sometimes.
@munkyzzb7504
@munkyzzb7504 3 жыл бұрын
10:58 Ariel acting 😆😆😆
@TheBigKing0
@TheBigKing0 3 жыл бұрын
That whole dig deep and stuff works in other sports. This is a combat sport, it’s different. When someone says they don’t want to get punched anymore, stop.
@omarsouadi9845
@omarsouadi9845 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely false.
@timothypeters6694
@timothypeters6694 3 жыл бұрын
Omar Souadi why is it false ? I’m interested to know
@zackevans5844
@zackevans5844 3 жыл бұрын
Same reason they won't be world champions. It's kind of a double-edge sword but I understand what you're saying. Digging deep is in ever single sport if anything you gotta dig more deep in MMA with the grueling weight cut and horrfic injuries the fighter have to endure.
@cameronfletcher9852
@cameronfletcher9852 3 жыл бұрын
It’s usually the coaches’ job to motivate the fighter between rounds and push him beyond his limits. Although it is a tricky situation especially in a sport like this where losing means getting beat up and getting hurt. But I have seen fighters who came back after getting beat up and won the fight. And the coaches do know the fighters better than any of us do.
@chaaapo_
@chaaapo_ 3 жыл бұрын
Dig deep is what fighting is about literally, if not you die in actual combat. That being said, if he chose to call his own death and way out give it to him. Quitters quit, winners win and not everyone will go out out on their shield. Find another sport, no shame in testing yourself.
@angelbautistatm6395
@angelbautistatm6395 3 жыл бұрын
We need to take microphones out of corners
@1fastmex
@1fastmex 3 жыл бұрын
Ariele never played a sport at a high level his whole life. Clearly! When you mentality break down coaches are there to propel you. You can tell Drysdale knew how much max would regret it. Max clearly didn’t quit because of damage.
@braxtonec
@braxtonec 3 жыл бұрын
'Coach, I'm gassed. I can't protect myself' end of story.
@MrSFblack
@MrSFblack 3 жыл бұрын
That should've been all the coach needed to hear to throw the towel in. If his fighter's words weren't proof enough, then the fact that he was too exhausted to even lift his hands to keep from getting hit should've sufficed.
@gumball5024
@gumball5024 3 жыл бұрын
MrSFblack facts. I get that people don’t like Ariel but he’s thinking about the fighters health long term not the the short term glory of winning a fight
@D_Snutz
@D_Snutz 3 жыл бұрын
DC changed my perspective...
@mikee4036
@mikee4036 3 жыл бұрын
He knows how serious asking for it to be called means.
@nostradanus181
@nostradanus181 3 жыл бұрын
"you gotta get up, D" - Daniel Cormier 2020
@awingman469
@awingman469 3 жыл бұрын
I'm on DCs side on this one.
@dschoenfeld9277
@dschoenfeld9277 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I can’t listen Helwani...he’s such a non athlete. Great to listen to DC!
@stoneyhaze9956
@stoneyhaze9956 3 жыл бұрын
Watch the video again the coach at the end calls the fight before the commissioner
@codemode5646
@codemode5646 3 жыл бұрын
The ref always asks the fighters if they’re ready at the beginning of rounds. Thats when he would be given his final chance to quit or not, the coach knew that.
@fightpicksbymoh7336
@fightpicksbymoh7336 3 жыл бұрын
No surprise Ariel feels this way...he is the farthest thing from a fighter there is, and will never understand a fighter or a fighter-coach relationship no matter how long he covers this sport 😂. No disrespect, just the truth
@Davidcollecting
@Davidcollecting 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@devilboykillz
@devilboykillz 3 жыл бұрын
it just showed he is no where near the lv needed to be in the ufc. He will never fight in the ufc again. Im sure it was his dream to be their. Im sure his coaches was just trying to get him threw it.
@716reese6
@716reese6 3 жыл бұрын
I hope he gets another fight in the UFC just lower the Competition next time and let him work his way up like some other guys
@KrikZ32
@KrikZ32 3 жыл бұрын
He could easily fight in the UFC again down the road, it was only his 6th pro fight.
@theolddarksoul1129
@theolddarksoul1129 3 жыл бұрын
@@KrikZ32 but what will Dana think of it? His input matter more than any of us
@hyepride23
@hyepride23 3 жыл бұрын
Yup 100% true, he will never fight in UFC again
@tmoney4204
@tmoney4204 3 жыл бұрын
He took the fight 5 days notice give the guy a break .
@rotorsk8r
@rotorsk8r 3 жыл бұрын
How real of a man is DC!!!!
@HUGOFORJESUS
@HUGOFORJESUS 3 жыл бұрын
Helwani this Hugo Boss, soon channel. I just want to tell you, your the best i analyzing the situation, even with out been a fight, your a hundred percent right.
@PreacherLawson
@PreacherLawson 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite mma show
@fagbag9553
@fagbag9553 3 жыл бұрын
Mine too preacher man
@chrism77m
@chrism77m 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Weighing in with Josh Thompson and Big John
@profit66
@profit66 3 жыл бұрын
The “expert” swimmer that never got in the water is at again. I’m sure the guy works hard but there are far more talented writers out there and less douchey that are just as passionate.
@treypotter3103
@treypotter3103 3 жыл бұрын
the coach knew that it was up to the fighter to call the fight. He was just trying to stop him from doing it. The coach knew if max wanted it to end, that it absolutely would, which it did. The coach was trying to prevent what had happened.
@AquamanKMX
@AquamanKMX 3 жыл бұрын
Many fights are let go for way too long to the detriment long term health of the fighters. Specially in how little most fighters make.
@kachucho872
@kachucho872 3 жыл бұрын
" Uncle Chael didn't agree with me, may be DC will" he just can't accept he is wrong.
@enuff2u
@enuff2u 3 жыл бұрын
Coach Drysdale did the right thing. Max Rohskopf answered that he doesn't have the mental ability to succeed at the UFC level. I would say this was his 1st and last fight ever in the UFC.
@daziksawds9226
@daziksawds9226 3 жыл бұрын
In a fight the final test is your resolve. The only person that can overcome that test is the person fighting. Sometimes getting slept is your final resolve.
@griffinlindsey3212
@griffinlindsey3212 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the ref for stopping the fight. You hear Dana himself say “if a fighter thinks of retirement, they should” because their head isn’t totally in fighting. So what’s the difference when a fighter wants to “retire” between rounds?
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