It kinda might be a good thing that Trisha passed on because even though she is dead, you can tell Dante is fiercely still jealous of her and despises her for winning his love. I could see Dante torturing her.

Dante: "well, why don't you help me enjoy this new body" 10 years later and only Now do i REALLY know what she means ...

Dante, there's no such thing as eternal life... Damn.

Lust: "guess I'll just stay up here"

I like how the this ties the whole "granting eternal life" aspect of the philosophers stone into the story, but in a way that evokes revulsion. Immortality is a lot less pleasant when you spend it wearing a decaying meat suit.

It’s fucked, in a sense, Hohenheim is Ed and Al’s father, but he isn’t as well. Soul wise, he’s their father, and body wise he’s not, so whoever’s body it was that Hohenheim put himself into, that person either died, or was trapped in some way. And the unlucky person ended up being Ed and Al’s biological father, and didn’t know it, his body was taken and that’s it.

1:16 Hohenheim: Why are you telling me this? I was there. Dante: Shut up! This is my big villain moment, don’t ruin it for me!

Dude 2003 is just so sick because of the personal stakes of the narrative. Their father, one of the main reasons the story exists is a former lover of the final boss as it were. It's just so sick that Ed and Al's last test is effectively against their step-mother and I think there's something inherently interesting about that.

Father and Dante are two different shades of Lovecraftian Horror. Father is an abomination of god-like power, who use ill-inspired cultist for his schemes of world-shattering aim. He's fundamentally unlike humans, being devoid of their empathy and wanting to be without sins. Basically, he is the Dunwich Horror with more brains Dante, at the opposite, is very human. She was born one, and has the most basic human fear, the fear of death. The horror lies in what she is ready to do to live again and again, to wich degree she is ready to degrade her soul. At the time of her destruction, she's a complete monster, having none of her humanity left. As her speech shows, she only think in term of survival, like an animal. There's a big "The Thing on the Doorstep" vibe from her.

Music fits this scene soo good

so basically Dante and Hohenhiem are cowards that not only fear death by body hopping throughout the century, but never actually know how to love anyone else let alone respect the life of others. Hohenhiem is the only one who learned a harsh truth of life after failing his original son (envy) and marrying Trisha Elric along with having another pair of kids with her.

Full metal: there’s no such thing as eternal life Brotherhood: immortality successfully and ideally achieved.

Fun fact: she and May Chang from Brotherood share the same voice actress, Monica Rial

Dante is one of the best villains in anime.

Everyone calls Dante crazy. Evil. Cowardly for her miserable life. And it really is. And also everyone believes that Hohenheim left her for this very reason. But... Let's not confuse cause and effect. What was Dante originally like? We can learn this from her own words in the following dialogue: "Al: - Dante, why did you decide to become an alchemist? Dante: - Well, the reason was quite ordinary. I just wanted to help people. People need alchemy. Although this does not mean that you can not do without it. And yet, alchemy helps to make people happy. It would be nice if the efforts of those who strive for happiness were always rewarded. That's how I thought." Why do I think she was telling the truth? Because her current views are literally saturated with nihilism, rejection of people. Only a person who was once sincerely (and naively) convinced of the opposite can come to such a pronounced nihilism. But apparently, at some point she met Hohenheim and fell in love with him... And instead of helping people, she blindly helped him in all his apparently scientific affairs. In the creation of the Philosopher's stone in particular. They have ruined many lives for their own purposes. I believe that the main initiator of the search for the philosopher's stone was Hohenheim. But Dante looks in this case like the one who just blindly follows her beloved. And so, her lover almost died. She can't let him die. She saves him, at the cost of someone else's life. Let's be honest, quite a few of us would have done the same. And what's next? They live together like lovers. Dante gives birth to a child from Hohenheim. They raised him for 18 years until he died... Then they decide to revive his son, but only a homunculus, the future Envy, is born. And what does Hohenheim do? He's just... Left Dante. He left his son. Yes, it was a homunculus, but so what? He was aware of himself as the son of Hohenheim. Envy felt like the same person, had all his memories. Envy felt almost the same as Edward, being also abandoned by the same father. Dante... Can you imagine how she felt? Left alone in such a situation, being no longer with the most stable mind, it is natural that she went completely mad. And all why? Because Hohenheim is a coward. He did not take responsibility for the Envy. He did not take responsibility for the one who sincerely loves him. He left Dante literally in Hell. Alone. She was left by the man she loved, whose life she once saved at the cost of another person's life. I don't think many people can boast that they could have kept their sanity in such a situation. And what do we see after 400 years? Both continue to jump from one body to the other. Dante has finally become disillusioned with humanity, and out of her despair continues to prolong her meaningless life. And Hohenheim does the same. Moreover, unlike his magnificent version from the Brotherhood, the Hohenheim of Light did not dare to tell Trisha the whole truth about himself. And again he abandoned his sons. It's funny to realize that Edward and Envy have a lot in common in this regard. They are even more brothers than one could imagine. And the most disgusting thing is that Hohenheim has not learned lessons from the past. What does he do when he meets Lieutenant Maria Ross? He's fucking flirting with her! Moreover, seeing that she takes it seriously. He just keeps playing with people's feelings. Knowing that he had once driven Dante to madness with such irresponsibility. And at the same time, later hypocritically declaring to Dante that he is married when she hints to him about "testing her new young body." And then their dialogue, which finally makes it clear what a pathetic person Hohenheim is. "Hohenheim: - Trisha was the FIRST and ONLY woman I ever loved" Dante: - Really? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you whisper tender words of love to me four centuries ago Hohenheim: "Let's not talk about it..." Very nasty of him. If Van Hohenheim is a hero, then the Hohenheim of Light is an irresponsible coward who simply abandoned everyone when anyone needed him. Someone who has not learned any lessons from his mistakes, and continues to take people's lives. And Dante... Yes, she has turned into a monster who has lost all the positive part of her humanity. And even in this situation, it is clear that she still retains feelings for Hohenheim and her pain. Almost perfectly hiding it behind his monster disguise. If you look at it this way, then Dante is a woman with a very sad fate. Therefore, it is fundamentally wrong to say that Hohenheim left her because she is insane. Cause and effect should not be confused.

Dante, there's no such thing as eternal life

This version of FMA had an incredible development, it always kept us asking logical questions.

Still a better love story than Twilight.

You know Dante I'm convinced that witch they were hunting for were you

''On sheer impulse, I attached your soul to the body of another man.'' As ya do.

I feel that for all of Dante's big talk about humans being fools and equivalent exchange being a lie, she herself is nothing more than a coward and a parasite. All she does is just prolong her existence, but for what reason? She doesn't do anything. She has no endgame. All she does is waste countless lives to evade death- She survives, but she doesn't live. Once Dante transfers to another body, all she does is exist, hopping from vessel to vessel with no goal or endgame in sight. Even Father at least had a goal and dream that was somewhat meaningful. Dante, though? She just drains from society to prolong her existence but does nothing to contribute, just spending her days in her mansion lavishly and not really helping anyone. Her life has become so empty and meaningless and she's an even bigger hypocrite than Father.

I wish we had gotten more backstory with dante and hoenheim.

In Shonens Dante is a very unique character, primarily her simplicity (Unlike super-charismatic cyber-samurai with sharingans instead of eyes). Many will consider this a shortcoming of the script, but in fact it is a universal archetype - "Evil Devouring Mother" - a negative aspect of the maternal figure. For clarity, the most notable example of the embodiment of this image was in "Snow White". This is the Queen, Stepmother of Snow White. Dante in general can be called the stepmother of Ed and undoubtedly she is the Queen of her own kingdom (although the second is not so important). Just remember how she desperately fights for life and eternal beauty, and what she wants to do with Rosa (snow white). Of course, I'm far away from the archetype in general and went to the character of the queen, it's just an interesting parallels. But the root in both cases is the same. When we think of Archetypes, we mostly talk about the unconscious. What is the essence of what we experience in relation to the mother? The personal experience of each individual is of course unique, but the archetype is the archetype that includes the most General idea. In the last analysis it is the magical authority of all that is feminine; wisdom and spiritual height beyond reason; something benign, something giving shelter, something fraught, bearing something, the giver of growth, fertility and sustenance; the place of magical re-realization and rebirth; a contributing and helping instinct or impulse. This is the positive aspect of the Archetype of mother that Trisha embodies. Dante represents the aspect of the "Evil Devouring Mother" concealing something hidden, something dark-somnolent, the abyss, the world of the dead, something swallowing, seducing and poisoning, something exciting fear and inevitable. In the culture of this way embody the witch, dragon, any swallowing or wrapped around the animal victim, whether a big fish or a snake (Ouroboros). In the context of the analysis of the image of Dante, I think it is important to note the role of the symbol of Ouroboros. I will not dwell on it, but it is a very important detail. Ouroboros is a symbol of the eternal cycle of rebirth. This very clearly illustrates, what represents from themselves Dante, which so many times changed bodies. Ouroboros also applies to homunculi. After all, a homunculus is the rebirth of another person. Hence the mark of Ouroboros. Also Ouroboros has the meaning of the end of the world. He comes to the edge, biting its own tail. Literally devouring itself. What happened to Dante? It has reached the limit of its possibilities, its end is coming. What happened? The cause of her death was "gluttony" (this can be taken as a metaphor), which got out of her control. She literally devoured herself. Exactly like the Ouroboros. I really like the work of writers. Summing up my thoughts, we can say that the final confrontation between Dante and Edward is a confrontation between Archaic and Modernism. Nature against Humanity. Archaic thinking presupposes the inseparability of man from nature. in Jung's typology, Dante is the "Evil Devouring mother", the Archetype of the mother is the personification of nature, matter, capable of both giving life and taking away. There is nothing spiritual about Dante. The more noticeable the physiology of her image. In scene the first meeting Dante with Hohenheim can be discern as she revels in own youth and offers "try new body", in the other scene she predatory looks on Rosa (more precisely on its body). She's also upset that she missed the opportunity to "enjoy the love (sex)" of Edward. This is a real animal, praising the frailty and meaninglessness of its existence. All the more vividly felt her absolutely animal fear of death. She is the personification of an ancient irrational fear and as a consequence of the evil generated by this fear. In a monologue with Edward, she literally says "Its cruel and random world and yet the chaos is all so beautiful". In her opinion, the cruelty of the world in the order of things-if we live in the jungle you need to be animals and live by the law of the jungle. This is Archaic thinking. In this regard, it is especially ironic that her name is Dante. One of the main interpretations of Dante Alighieri's divine Comedy is the victory over death, over flesh, over earthly existence. It's the exact opposite of Dante from FMA. She is afraid of death, strives to satisfy carnal desires, and she does not care about her own soul, because with every "jump" her soul is split. It's really funny. This contrast makes her character even more insignificant and alienating... But that in my opinion is the greatness of this character.

I like 2003 allot more then brotherhood.

Dante: Tell me... why did you leave?! Wasn't eternal life enough for you?! Hohenheim: Dante... there's no such thing as eternal life...

i like this story more then the Brotherhood series. its far more tragic and realistic then brotherhood series.

Lots of comments here about what a bitch Hohenheim is in FMA 03... And yes, he really is. I dunno though, the character somehow still works for me, it's hard to articulate why. Maybe it just feels like a man powerful enough to transmute fucking light particles into soldiers suffering from crippling fear and self-doubt and regret feels like an interesting, if tragically short-lived character study. I'm disappointed he didn't have more going on in this series. I like that he's not really a good guy, that he's kind of selfish, that he's insecure, all that business. I like that he's responsible for Envy and all kinds of other stuff.

The 2003 anime has his moments, when i was young i hated this bc it has no happy ending like broterhood but , now that im an adult came back here and say , wow that shit was R A D

It makes sense that he would look like the elric brothers because he fathered them in this current body.. Not in his original. He even says he never switched bodies after. The question is why does envy look so much like his current body? Envy should look different.

0:47 At this moment, you can barely notice Dante's eyes starting to water a bit (it'd be a bit more noticeable if the vid was higher-quality); you can tell that Hohenheim's words stung pretty hard. Edit: I just realized that she abandoned all of her ex-husbands, yet she cried when Hohenheim implied he never loved her. Now she knows how all of her exes felt.

I love the soundtrack 😍

I definitely liked Brotherhood better than this series... but this one was MUCH darker. Dante, Pride, an uncontrollable Gluttony... Dark stuff!

let me explain why her body rotting,the immortality is lie.she transfer her to new body but she also leavr peace of her soul,as you know she had been done it again and again.until the soul her reduce is so small that it cannot support new body

Fun Fact:Hohenheim`s original body at 1:22 is a mix of Paracelsus(The real Van Hohenheim)as a young man,the historical Saxon leader Cynric and Merlin the wizard from Arthurian lore.

0:42 The show: Briefly forgets how shadows work!

It's pretty depressing on how people think that being a better person translates automatically into being a better character. We would have no interesting anti-heroes whatsoever if we all followed that rule

Dante's voice actor did well

Probably one of the best scenes in fma

All of the sins r so interesting. It just made me wanna learn about them. And watch this show once again.

pretty interesting how they were normal humans during the time of the witchhunts. their actions basically reflect the mentality people back then had toward alchemy and eternal life. That is, they thought it was truly attainable.

Maybe I'm just being nostalgic because I grew up on the 2003 series but I always thought Dante was a scarier villian. Father felt a little comical near the end but Dante was just scary as she got desperate.

Wow, the music is mesmerising

I really wish we had a whole episode or two parter to go into more detail of their origins.

1:10 Why does the music say his name.

Wow, Lust looks horrified.

That background theme always stuck with me but I never actually went and listened to it again after I watched the first FMA anime 10 years ago. I guess I'll watch it again to get it this time I was too young to realise what was happening when I first watched it. Also I liked how despite the second half diverging from the manga the anime actually remained to be pretty good, at least if anything it didn't just end or had a terrible ending.

People can say what they will about 03 but man did it make the Philosopher's Stone such a threat and major plot element. They started to become a dime a dozen in Brotherhood. Lol

I've always loved both of the FMA, but I've always seen the 2003 adaption as more... realistic. In comparison to Brotherhood, this one just feels more real; like this can actually happen. I think it's because of the bittersweet ending that it has. The brothers are reunited in the end, but at the cost of losing their original home. I also think that the 2003 adaption is more intimate with its characters given that it's a shorter list when compared to Brotherhood. It casts a larger role with Hues and gives the other homunculus more humane characteristics or motives.

0:48 You can see Dante's eyes quivering.

2023 marks the 20th anniversary of FMA 2003 🖤

The interesting thing is I think Dante’s actions and motives remind me more of a spoiler from a non anime series. Basically it was inspired by a short story by Jorge Luis Borges where a civilization of immortals had become moral and human zombies. Immortality rotted Dante’s moral obligations into being emotionally dead to suffering and caring for others similar to the people in that civilization where they lived in the crumbled ruins of a once thriving world. Dante’s in a similar metaphorical situation where her lack of humanity and comprehension eroded with her hatred for humans and thus wishing to become their God.

Dante reminds me of Katerina Petrova from the tv series the vampire diaries, she was a doppleganger, and she was going to be sacrificed to break a curse, she manipulated a vampire to became a vampire as well, doing that she thought she had more chances to survive but Klaus needed her to still be human because vampirism negated her doppleganger blood, from that day Klaus went after her to kill her for ruining his plans. Katerina only goal was survival and spent hundreds of years hiding, manipulating people and killing them, her new goal was to become truly immortal with the sole purpose to survive. She couldnt do it, she died, the only person who truly loved her was her daughter and even though they both died the same day she wasnt going to go the same place as her daughter's when she died, because of all her deeds she went to the darkness... some kind of hell.

Maybe not eternal life but long ass life yeah.

Headcanon: The underground city beneath Central is named Shamballa by its residents who escaped from the witch hunts on our Earth via transmuting themselves to escape through their own Gates. In this case the Elric Bros were British-Amestrians. This makes them illegal immigrants in Germany

Thank you! Ive been looking for this flashback!

You hear this and now you really feel more for Scar. His brother and the Ishvalans.

Why is this scene so dark, yet so interesting?

What if she put her soul into Lust or Sloth? Maybe she wouldn't rot since their bodies are immortal.

I like how 1rst Hohenheim looks like Father.

I always liked to think this took place in an alternate universe where a vast amount of people actually died in the witch trials, instead of people pretending they did.

i was recently rewatching the series and i think i want a prequel series about her

The original body Hoenheim had looks like Father

Greed and gluttony we're her ex husbands

Evidently, Dante as villain significantly more creepy and disgusting than Father is in FMAB.

Dante was more interesting, than Father. Very cold madam, she manipulated all country and homunculus. And she had very good them

I swear that music is so good

I forgot Van was originally voice by wolverine lol

The name of the song is call, Full Metal Alchemist: Dante Theme

I think it’s interesting they came from their worlds medieval Europe and they were Christians originally and this religion died out behind their gate. My boy Hoenheim really didn’t love Dante and forsakes their child only for him to die and be brought back as Envy the original FMA was just as much God Tier as Brotherhood.

So they're staying around longer than they are supposed to kinda like spongebob and the simpsons

I love Dante's and his relationship so much lol.Shes like still evil and he's trying to be good now.

Dante have redeeming qualities in the past

dante is an amazing character but i think father makes alot more sense than this although i like the whole relationship between she and hohenheim

Bruh this is really daaark like seriously dark

God, I forgot just how much of an emotional coward Hohenheim was in the original.

The body you see him in now is the one Dante transferred his soul to. You don't see his original face clearly, which adds to the effectiveness of the scene.

Dante... Such a lovable villain. The name fits her personality so well for some strange reason. Eerie as that is she's one of the best characters ever written

If there was a live action TV series, I would mix Dante and father's character together, dante being a humunculus dwarf in the flask before van hohenheim and the destruction of xerxes, which gives her a female body whom van hohenheim initially fell in love with and entered into a whirl-wind romance with her that would give birth to a child. This child and them lived happily till the child died of mercury poisoning and van hohenheim would try to use human transmutation to bring the child back. Creating a deformed and bloody humanoid with a piece of the childs soul still inside him. envy is the first human based humunculus, unable to face up to what he had done to his son, van hohenheim would abandon both dante and envy. Envy would be a malformed humanoid form for a few years, unable to speak, but constantly bleeding and crying as Dante rearranged his body with all the skill of a mad chiropractor, feeding him small fragments of her Philosopher's Stone every few days to relieve the pain just enough for him to sleep until she discovered how to make mass quantities through the slaughter of many, which allowed him to take on a proper human shape and finally take away the physical pain, the abandonment of hohenheim and envy's creation would cause dante to decide to absorb god and creates amestris exactly for that purpose after she discovers that her container(body) won't last forever, so she decides to strike down god and become immortal. Envy's hatred for his father and need to kill him would be intact and it will be his main goal. Whereas the rest just want to serve Dante in her quest to absorb God, envy wants to kill van hohenheim. His hatred for doctor Marco being rooted in the fact that all alchemist remind him of his father. His killing of the ishvallan girl being rooted in intense jealousy of seeing her with her parents. His hatred for Edward being rooted in the fact that the elric brothers received the fatherly love that he never did. I mixed the strong elements of 2003 and brotherhood...the uniqueness, plot function, philosophy, and endgame of the original father...and the twisted dark personal history and relationship with van hohenheim that dante has....envy being a plus Creating a singular strong character.

I like Scott McNeil a bit more than John Swasey as the english Hohenheim

Full Metal Alchemist: Dante Theme

I don't get why she was so hated. Honestly she seems more sympathetic all she ever wanted was to spend eternity with the one she loved and he stopped loving her once she found the answer. True her methods were horrible but its not like they both werent looking and didnt both use it. However he cast her aside and she forever kept chasing.

So fucking epic moment

Manga fans: we dont mention dante here

I'm saying it what if Dante and Father worked together!

How in over 400 years has Dante not know how to make a philosopher stone

I love dante she is pure evil best anime villain so far

One bad thing of the original Hohenheim was that he took the role of Father and knowingly sacrificed lives to create the Philosopher’s Stone to begin with He only changed by experiencing long life and falling in love with the right woman In contrast Brotherhood Hohenheim never asked for either the Philosopher’s Stone or immortality for himself, and made most of his long life from the get go, by comforting and bonding with the souls of his philosopher’s stone and worked to stop Father by making his reverse transmutation circle to counter Father’s Plan Falling in love and having a family brought even more of the best in him, and really started to live his life there Don’t get my wrong the original Hohenheim was still good, as he was a redeemed by love and same to see it was all a mistake later on in life While Dante refused to change and became unstable

Why don’t I remember this …

It's life only if it's limited by time.

Is there anyone out there who can tell me what the name of that song playing in the background is? its haunted me for years and i came to this video in search of it....now ive heard it ive just gotta keep looking for the song. all the internets for anyone who can help

Why did I realize just now that Pride from FMAB and Dante look so much alike? Both dark haired, both purple eyes... Im blind.

What is the sound track of that girl sound when hoenhiem was creating stone... Pls reply

Perfect thank you

The only thing that I remember about this anime is that conversation that Dante(?) had with Ed(?) where the room was rotating like crazy. I don't even remember if it was the two of them talking and I don't even remember what they were talking about. I just remember the vertigo that it gave me.

Gives me goosebumps every time

Hello everyone. Can anyone tells me what is the title of this wonderfull ost? I cannot find it... Thanks in advance!

Dante's plan is super unsustainable. Each bodies decays faster than the last. Even if she got another stone, how could she ever hope to keep going? At some point, her new body, will completely decay, as soon as she enters it, and will die. If she wanted eternal life maybe she could attached her soul to an inanimate object, like Al. But then she couldn't fuck, as she seems to be somewhat of a nymphomaniac.

There’s a song that plays right when hohenheim sees sloth in this scene, what’s it called please?

I like this Hohenheim better then the one in Fma: Brotherhood

we all know who was responible otto apocalypse for making the honkai beasts