BTW, 4ocean has just released a video update on the OPR vessel: instagram.com/tv/B0MDhYeF7tP/? In the video, they offer some clarification for the “90% of plastic pollution” claim. They say that, obviously, the OPR vessel alone can’t stop 90% of ocean plastic pollution from reaching the ocean. Instead, it was their intention to point out that 90% of ocean plastic pollution comes from river mouths, and they hope the vessel will have an impact on that. Personally, I think that’s some politician-level backpedalling. There’s really no ambiguity to the claim they make at 7:40. They say, “it will end 90% of the world’s ocean plastic pollution forever.” Same goes for the claim at 10:42. If there’s some ambiguity there that I missed, please point it out to me.* Now, let me say just one more time, this video represents my criticisms of 4ocean. I don’t think I’ve misrepresented their company, and I think my criticisms are pretty solid. Nevertheless, you have every right to disagree with them. For example, maybe you think it’s not misleading of them to use the phrase “operated out of” to refer to a country where they’ve held a volunteer event. If so, fine. Buy a bracelet, tell your friends and family about 4ocean, make your own video pointing out everything wrong in mine. Ultimately, people will decide for themselves whether 4ocean deserves their support. *The video has been taken down from 4ocean’s channel. Lest you think I took that clip out of context, here’s how the full exchange went. Reporter: What’s your vision? I mean, I know it’s like gangbusters, but . . . Alex Schulze: No, of course, this is the proof of concept. Andrew Cooper: Keep bringing this concept - prove the concept first, like Alex just said. Once it’s proven and we’ve got our systems and processes in place, scale that to the most highest [sic] impact places in the world, where all the plastic is pouring into the ocean. Reporter: And you think you can eradicate it, because 90% comes- Andrew: With the help of our customers, absolutely.
@oldmanmalice5 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you sir; sounds like back-pedalling to get out of a false claim. I want to know where they are getting these statistics and numbers from; cause I am pretty sure the vast swathes of beach goers leave more trash in our oceans than the rivers and such distribute.
@DanyeHar5 жыл бұрын
@@oldmanmalice Well, you're actually mistaken on the source of ocean plastic pollution. Most of it comes from 10 rivers. news.sky.com/story/just-10-rivers-carry-90-of-plastic-polluting-the-oceans-11167581
@oldmanmalice5 жыл бұрын
@@DanyeHar Thank you for the correction sir.
@jamesbroderick36605 жыл бұрын
Yoy also can find that boat anytime. All you just have to do is download the app find ship
@mcearl80735 жыл бұрын
Danye Har Are they really selling this many bracelets or are they still spending investor money on this? I’m looking at just what the ship modifications alone must have cost, on top of all the manpower, the cost of the ship and everything else and it just seems like they have to have more coming in than just bracelet sales.
@americiato5 жыл бұрын
How can a single Danye Har save us 20$?
@DanyeHar5 жыл бұрын
One video at a time.
@qiqinchow65805 жыл бұрын
haha good one
@BrianEFlynn5 жыл бұрын
Buy HIS bracelet
@BarefootMediaTV5 жыл бұрын
by tricking you with clickbait and making money off of a good company's name while attempting to hurt them.
@amykwong84495 жыл бұрын
*1 P O U N D A T A T I M E*
@OceanCrusaders5 жыл бұрын
I really like your approach on this. Ocean Crusaders clean oceans in Australia and Sweden and it is back breaking work to remove 1 tonne let alone what they are claiming...and boats don't stay shiney and new either. We use 6mm aluminum plate boats and they get trashed pretty quickly. Please support your local charities that clean your local beaches and waterways. Don't send your money overseas.
@miguelmorales66265 жыл бұрын
Please pin this!
@adolfoalba15555 жыл бұрын
No,i work for 4ocean and i want to eat
@LY33555 жыл бұрын
So what makes yo I think is not back breaking work for them too?
@sirbaguette83785 жыл бұрын
@@LY3355 well think about it this way... They pick up ONE POUND for every $20?!?! They pick up the weight of a standard soccer ball/football for $20! Yeah totally back breaking work.
@OceanCrusaders5 жыл бұрын
@@LY3355 I personally believe they don't remove what they say they do. I personally run Ocean Crusaders and removing 55 tonne of debris last year took a lot of effort from me and over 2000 volunteers. If these people cleaned what they say they do, Florida, Haiti and Bali would be spotless and trust me they aren't, and there boats would look very secondhand, and they don't. It just doesn't add up. I'd encourage the owners to come on an OC clean up. That would change them forever and maybe make them do more and talk less!!!!
@lilyknox43295 жыл бұрын
I suggest everyone who is considering buying a bracelet to go outside, pick up 1 wet pound of rubbish, and then just think for a second. A) That's not $20 of work, and B) you've already done everything the bracelet promised
@DanyeHar5 жыл бұрын
A note I'd add is that you can do this even if you don't live near the ocean. Most ocean plastic pollution comes from rivers, and you can generally bet that any litter blowing around in your inland town or city will eventually find its way into a river.
@ersu.t5 жыл бұрын
or buy a magnet or a large hook and fish out 30kg of garbage from a river or damn
@estefaniaboujon68304 жыл бұрын
You do realize that after you pick up the garbage you have to manage the garbage, right?
@elizabethperez60712 жыл бұрын
the only problem is most people are not going to do that even if they have all the time in the world
@DanyeHar5 жыл бұрын
Lol, I just discovered that the fellas at 4ocean may well be plagiarists, too. The opening of their video announcing the OPR campaign ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/huCom5acupjIeoE.html ) sounds *strikingly* similar to this TED talk from the CEO of The Plastic Bank: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o7pkhMWhnZ_SeYU.html Could just be a coincidence, but then there's a comment below from Noah Katz accusing 4ocean of basically copying everything The Plastic Bank does. Note 1: 4ocean's video was originally published in October 2018, long after the TED talk. Note 2: Evidently The Plastic Bank also sells a $20 bracelet, and for each sale they clean up 20 pounds of plastic. Note 3: Don't take this as a plug for The Plastic Bank. They, too, are for-profit, and I haven't looked into them much. Could be great, could be charlatans. Note 4: Wow, re-watching that video from 4ocean, I found yet *another* iteration of the now-infamous 90% claim (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/huCom5acupjIeoE.html?t=123 ): "By eradicating river mouths as a source of ocean pollution, we're preventing 90% of the world's plastic from entering the ocean." Damn. Claims don't get much bolder than that!
@benjaminreid92465 жыл бұрын
Yep sounds similar.
@solideogloria75735 жыл бұрын
Could you do some research and share if you think "the ocean cleanup" is legit? Cause after what I've heard they sound pretty good.... but so did 4ocean
@halfwaysleet5 жыл бұрын
If you want to help keep the ocean clean you're better off spending that 20 dollars on a legitimate organization that can tell you where it's spending it's money. If you don't care too much about the ocean and just want to boast to your friends that you're helping, feel free to buy a bracelet.
@TijlDaelemans5 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should do a follow-up video reviewing the plastic bank 🤔😉
@BY-rx5bl5 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/op14ptV1ls7blmw.html
@Zemnmez5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure it's been said already but listing a founder and CEO's 'total compensation' is very misleading: if you own a company, that company is an extension of your own wealth, especially if you hold an executive position on it. Jeff Bezos manages to be the richest person in the world on an $81,000 salary, for example. Of course, Amazon is publicly traded so Jeff can liquidate stock perhaps more easily for cash, but being an executive at a company like 4Ocean comes with carte blanche to expense your housing, travel, meals, clothing and anything else you feel like to the company with strong tax benefit. It's literally up to the executives of the company how that 99.3% of revenue is used, and they have total free rein to spend it however they wish. Putting your personal wealth into a company is tax management 101.
@Dongonzales1235 жыл бұрын
Also they can define what "reinvesting into the cause" means. It could also include things like first class flights to Bali or some 5 star hotel there.
@stevethea52505 жыл бұрын
@@Dongonzales123 I'm saving this to read later.
@hlboerr5 жыл бұрын
Does that apply to non-profits? Can you own stock of a nonprofit?
@MrMinigunman1015 жыл бұрын
Heber Boerr no and no, the stock wouldn’t have value because there’s no money behind it, that’s why they can only take donations not sell things
@ryancosme66445 жыл бұрын
Dude is always proving he has no idea what he’s talking about (usually by actually saying it), but wants to make outrageous claims. This is ridiculous...
@fallestgamer44135 жыл бұрын
I love how it says at 11:10 "these two surfers are changing the world" excluding all of there volunteers and customers
@zombiexsix5 жыл бұрын
Translation: we bought a cheap boat and had no idea how much it actually costs to run and maintain. Bad investment, but not fraudulent.
@eva-uw9de4 жыл бұрын
I see it the same way 20 $ might be better invested and do more good somewhere else. But a seriousl number of people is actually spending that 20$ for a bracelet that helps removing plastic and can't spend this money for single use fast food boxes.
@bethtk71955 жыл бұрын
There are other people who are doing ocean cleanups. I read more news stories on Ocean Voyages Institute who are a nonprofit who just did a cleanup in the North Pacific.They removed just over 43 tons. I read the cost for their program was just under $300,000. So by doing the math I figure that works out to be $3.49 per pound. They said the cost included 2 vessels they hired, the crews, purchasing of drones and equipment to find more trash at sea, satellite trackers that were attached to large nets and trash over the past year and a variety of other costs. Im guessing hiring boats and doin all the above in the middle of the ocean is more expensive than running a volunteer beach cleanup... so $20 for 1 pound does not seem even close to cost.
@Manuski5 жыл бұрын
Can we talk more about this themes instead of youtuber’s dramas
@arckocsog2535 жыл бұрын
Manuel Piat I slightly disagree. This is an important topic.
@Manuski5 жыл бұрын
Arc Kocsog that’s what I meant
@yeetusfetus86875 жыл бұрын
@@arckocsog253 they're saying videos with themes like this should be discussed more than KZfaq drama? Think you might've misinterpreted
@Manuski5 жыл бұрын
Ashley D so f true 😅, I’m trying, but I mean that vids that discuss themes like this should be as popular
@dshe86375 жыл бұрын
Manuel, you choose what you want to watch. Other people choose what they want.
@HONESTGUIDE5 жыл бұрын
Hi there Danye, me and my friends are dry landers (word?) and we'd love to start the #real4ocean movement. Collect trash to a bag, put it on your wrist, take a picture, instagram the shit out of it = clean oceans. Love your vids on this topic. Thumbs up! Janek and Honza from Prague.
@jankos-armwrestling3 жыл бұрын
I didn"t expect to see you here.
@bestLinuxGamer3 жыл бұрын
@@jankos-armwrestling same xd
@maddymaddyval3 жыл бұрын
this!!! This kind of hastag was also viral in my country once but it didn't gain any traction so it lasted for like.. 2 months. :( btw I love your videos!!
@vananhkhoanguyen71303 жыл бұрын
His name is Dan, Daniel Hauer
@doimoi9582 жыл бұрын
@@vananhkhoanguyen7130 It's obviously Danye Har duh
@communisttrash85905 жыл бұрын
“Are you suggesting that I wasn’t alive when I was in Hong Kong?” *vsauce music intensifies*
@FooPanda5 жыл бұрын
What if you could become a ghost? *Beat drops*
@user-cs2zz3pv7v4 жыл бұрын
I am... Or am I
@standooostandooo91955 жыл бұрын
Grab some bags Go for a walk to forest/beach/park/wherever to nature Collect 1 pound of trash Separate plastc, glass, paper to those bags you brought Take those bags to nearest recycling station or put them in your sorted waste containers if you have some You have done someting for your body✅ You have for sure helped nature✅ You have saved $20✅
@robloxgirl-17035 жыл бұрын
T R U E 😂👌
@sheenaporgan18525 жыл бұрын
And you also made some money off the bottles and cans.
@14bqdonk5 жыл бұрын
@@sheenaporgan1852 absolutely ! $20 for 4ocean bracelet that using recycled material is illogical.
@Gerwulf975 жыл бұрын
Do it around my neighborhood sometimes. Slacktivism is cancer
@dylanmcgregor95815 жыл бұрын
Not to mention depending on what you clean up you could actually gain a few dollars for your trash threw recycling! $20 gained!!
@bethtk71955 жыл бұрын
You should look at this NGO... ocean voyages. they said they cleaned up over 40 tons in the middle of the ocean... i read the cost was like $300,000... so that means their cost was like $3-4 per pound...
@keheungan5 жыл бұрын
4ocean might spend tons of money in marketing that makes the cost higher
@Princess-dn7mj5 жыл бұрын
But was the marketing four times as much? 4 dollar cleaning and 16 dollar marketing? This is ridiculous!
@Cwistool5 жыл бұрын
Kind of the point about being ridiculous. As they love to say, they are not required to release the financial records and therefore don't. For all we know it could cost them 50 cents per pound and they actually keep the rest in a trust somewhere. They also stated that they have far exceeded the amount of trash against the bracelets. Which means that either they have taken lines of credit, trading on volunteer labour or it costs no where near 20 dollars a pound.
@wrgsf135 жыл бұрын
I'm not necessarily claiming they aren't getting rich with their company, but still, you can't argue like that. So first of all, they have to produce and sell the bracelets, and I'm pretty sure there are lots of other hidden costs for them. But even if one pound would cost them like 5$, if they would sell the bracelets for just that amount they would never be able to grow, or for example to make investments like a whole ship. And let's just assume for now it's really their goal to get the ocean completely clean, then they will need to expand and invest A LOT. Sure, maybe 20$ is a bit too much, but they can't just sell them for zero profit.
@Bunny-ch2ul5 жыл бұрын
@@Princess-dn7mj I wouldn't be surprised if their marketing costs were close to that. I wouldn't be surprised if they spent even fifty percent on marketing and branding. Their promotional style is super, super, super expensive.
@benclarke59145 жыл бұрын
i just want to give a shout out to ECOSIA totally transparent organisation now, after someone made a video like this about them
@pierresihite88545 жыл бұрын
hmm is it Our Changing Climate?
@spacesofi40054 жыл бұрын
Ecosia is awesome, I use it
@za66044 жыл бұрын
@@spacesofi4005 yeah i've planted about 9 trees so far. i tried commenting about it on mr beast's video (planting 20 mil trees) but it was lost in all the other comments.
@lousy79164 жыл бұрын
Z A I got it a few months ago and I’ve planters around 1000 trees
@Packinheat11755 жыл бұрын
My grandfather always taught me to watch out for the “do-gooders”. They are usually the biggest crooks. Thats is how I feel about this company. Share the financials or deal with the wreckage of do-gooders before you 4ocean.
@vangelistr5 жыл бұрын
For $20 you can buy a hat a fishnet a liter of water something to eat and with 1h of your time you can clean a small beach
@nomiaomi27025 жыл бұрын
Yeah but not everyone has a beach to clean. The closest beach to me is about 14 hours away. But "donating" by buying a bracelet from 4ocean is not the way to go. Just donate to different non-profits that actually use your money towards the clean up
@thomasmancuso88055 жыл бұрын
I like this idea
@freespam92365 жыл бұрын
@@nomiaomi2702 or you could clean a park so the plastic there will never end in water by wind or in stomach of some animal
@nomiaomi27025 жыл бұрын
@kai oh I do have roads and I have community clean up every Sunday. But that isn't cleaning up oceans. I physically can't clean the ocean. So I donate to non profits
@nomiaomi27025 жыл бұрын
@kai ...but I wasn't worrying about a stupid bracelet. Just stating that not everyone can just walk to a beach and clean up. Good for you if you can but that ain't everyone. Geez no need to get your panties in a twist
@nguyetluong58025 жыл бұрын
4ocean may think:"the worst thing we have done is taking 40$ from danye har"
@ductrung20494 жыл бұрын
LOL :))))
@vananhkhoanguyen71303 жыл бұрын
His name is Dan, Daniel Hauer
@ryanneil81665 жыл бұрын
Self-satisfaction for 20 usd is actually pretty cheap and there's a huge demand for that luxury product in this dying world.
@sarahs53405 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@daphne10655 жыл бұрын
Darj
@Bleideris04 жыл бұрын
If your dumb that is
@wayyllonn4 жыл бұрын
The ironic part is that these bracelets are just gonna make their way back to the ocean.
@Raccon_Detective.3 жыл бұрын
They should have made something more useful then a bracelet
@jarenc20482 жыл бұрын
Assumption.
@stephanieworld89905 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making a follow up was eager to find out your reaction.
@stevethea52505 жыл бұрын
Whew you are beautiful
@user-kt7mi3yy8j5 жыл бұрын
Companies such as this one usually do not expect thorough consumer investigation such as this as long as they are not breaking any laws. Keep going. 😁
@jadhaddad18665 жыл бұрын
Was just about to comment the same thing
@youry5095 жыл бұрын
I’m living in Port-au-Prince Haiti, never heard of 4ocean before your first video about them. And I’m not trynna be funny here.
@jacobbodin50414 жыл бұрын
Lol
@chrisjordan87834 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you actually frequent the dirty beach in Haiti for your daily walks? LOL
@flintmcmanly4 жыл бұрын
I believe you mean that you are operating out of Haiti in your mission to clean up 128% of the ocean's trash.
@DarthVader-wl9kk5 жыл бұрын
dude I just got a 4ocean ad that was an update about their vessels, it was most definitely because of these videos lol
@johnmainwaring65563 жыл бұрын
haha me too.
@DD-sv7tg5 жыл бұрын
The 4Ocean promotional videos really remind me of the Kony2012 phenomenon. Not in their aims, but in their delivery. They both seem operate on peoples desire to improve the world and do good, whilst making wildly reductive claims about extremely complex situations. Even the CEO's kind of resemble eachother.
@xXPsychopathicMuttXx5 жыл бұрын
Wow, i had completely forgotten about Kony2012! You're absolutely right, they're so similar it's crazy, and it seems all that money they raked in was for naught, that guy was never actually captured
@illpass955 жыл бұрын
Literally what I compared it too.
@nadyas62855 жыл бұрын
Yea sorry i just dont trust 4ocean, ill spend my $20 to my local waste management
@tomast13235 жыл бұрын
Nadya S ✌️
@himazufuyushiro36965 жыл бұрын
Its everyone's fault tho for wasting a lot of garbage
@tsukinoyuki73875 жыл бұрын
@John Hickerson why only asia & africa???
@jeffersonneo4645 жыл бұрын
@John Hickerson lol face the reality you ignorant American.
@___-ps7cs5 жыл бұрын
@John Hickerson What about waste export tho?
@vyomrajansingh51835 жыл бұрын
I was going to buy 24 bracelets for my whole extended family.. but u opened my eyes bro.. Thanks And thankyou youtube recommendations 🤘🤘
@elsalloren70924 жыл бұрын
Wow, i bought heaps of their products but anyway, i have all their products and it may remind me my help is honest and if they cannot release their honest report so Good riddance to them.
@pabloolivero27835 жыл бұрын
2 days later, Elon Musk creates a cleaning Company, with automated ships
@enflame974 жыл бұрын
Check out The Ocean Cleanup
@RJR17875 жыл бұрын
I still haven't seen them on any beaches in Bali at all. I've lived here 9 years and see lots of clean ups from actual non profits and volunteer organisations but still haven't seen 4ocean??
@cocoapuff_x5 жыл бұрын
Ryan Rostron Weird, I’ve seen many Indonesian people from Bali say that they have seen them, and also that they haven’t seem them.
@SISILISM5 жыл бұрын
I saw them operating around Canggu beach (batu bolong, berawa) but these days.... SOOOO RAREEE to see their team 🤔
@___-ps7cs5 жыл бұрын
I don't live in Bali, but I've never heard about them outside of their commercial. I imagine 4Ocean would have at least some recognition especially in the waking awareness of waste export in Indonesia.
@LaurenMca5 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen them in Florida cleaning up and they are the only people I’ve seen cleaning ever!
@RJR17875 жыл бұрын
@@LaurenMca they probably have done clean ups in the past but they don't carry it on. They are not active in Bali yet they say they're headquarters are based here? Sounds fishy
@atlehman695 жыл бұрын
As someone who manages a waste facility, I can say $20 per pound is absolutely terrible, especially considering that's pounds-when-wet. There is no way they are drying the trash before bringing it to the landfill and getting their tipping fee receipt based on tons, which is what they use to prove the trash pounds cleaned up. To give you perspective, our company uses tractor trailers with live bottom floors (very expensive and prone to wear and tear) to pickup trash and soft demolition debris for $55 per TON, while dry mind you, often hauling it 100+ miles. So, as non-charity, we only charge around 2 cents per pound to pickup. Now obviously picking up trash by land is different than seeking out trash by ocean, but all things considered, cleaning ocean trash AS A CHARITY should not cost 72,727% more (727x the cost), especially when you consider the fact that I guarantee they have a special deal worked out with the landfill to pay next to nothing in tipping fees. See, our company charges $55 per ton, but most landfills charge about $40 per ton tipping, allowing us to profit $15 per ton on dry trash. Since they are doing a cleanup project, they will get a special tipping rate, making that 72,727% figure go up to 266,666%. That means, as a charity, they are saying their ocean cleanup costs are between 72,727% and 266,666% greater than for-profit land waste companies. Grade A BULLSHIT!
@cristlewrite79445 жыл бұрын
Love this comment! Always apreciative when someone with experience does the math on this stuff!
@aaleeksii5 жыл бұрын
People need to see this comment
@that_one_doggo83915 жыл бұрын
Is the trash sorted to be recycled? I see a lot of plastic stuff and even it a landfill it’ll take a while to decompose
@jamescrud5 жыл бұрын
These guys are most likely not even going out into the ocean to look for trash. They're just combing beaches near communities where they can hire locals for next to nothing in order to maximize profits. The bracelets are bought wholesale from China. The whole thing is a sham.
@birg83565 жыл бұрын
Wonderful comment
@brianwill47445 жыл бұрын
My wife was about ready to buy a bracelet when I thought it may be prudent to research the company a bit. I too was skeptical, and then came across your videos. I’m not saying it’s a scam, but as you say they have some explaining to do. Thanks for taking the time to make these vids, a valuable community service.
@vgamemaster995 жыл бұрын
Brian Will Good for you for doing your research before contributing. More people need to. 👌
@mikeshoults41555 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'm willing to overlook the embellishments regarding their claim, so long as they DO present their financials and push for more transparency. I mean I'm not going to nit pick. Doing something is better than nothing..
@racharina5 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@robertlyle62775 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update. When I first saw these two guys and heard their claims, I said “WHAAAAT”? I had to back it up to hear it again. I’ve been a vocational instructor, both high school and adult, and I can spot a slacker and a con man from a mile away. Their body language while making their claims, and more importantly while skirting questions about the truthfulness of those claims is clear. My guess is that their T-shirt business wasn’t keeping them in tanning oil and surfboard wax so they came up with this scam. I agree with other commenters - education and responsibility to prevent this trash from ever reaching the ocean is key. Thanks again for putting them on the defensive.
@mcearl80735 жыл бұрын
I suspect the reason they’ll show their personal financial records and then not want to share their business financials because what you’d find is that their business is providing them with company vehicles, airfare, “business” trips, maybe even pay for a portion of their homes for a home office. Then all food and everything spent while on these “business” trips. If they want to throw a big party with fancy food, girls, tons of liquor, well the business pays for that too. Another owner wants a Lamborghini, well well put a 4ocean wrap on it and it’s an advertising expense(not saying they did this just that they could). It sure seems like they have spent fortune on marketing alone just by the looks of it. Just in that one pic alone they have a ton of people all wearing clothes, flags hats, etc. that right there probably took 100 bracelets sales and that’s a drop in the bucket compared to everything else they’ve done, like the paint on the ship.
@DreadX105 жыл бұрын
Plus, I would like to add, there can always be a financial construction where 4Ocean buys a product or service from another company that happens to have owners we've seen portrayed as surfers who want to clean the ocean. Besides, 0,7% of revenue to the owners, so that leaves 98,6% to do the work...... Seems like somebody isn't paying taxes on their revenue! And this is how you spot fake financials, they forget that they need to pay taxes first and foremost.
@vajayna_eklhabouh5 жыл бұрын
If there's NOTHING to hide, then people will be transparent.........
@mhm81225 жыл бұрын
500,000+ bracelets are gonna end up back in the ocean someday
@HappyHimitsu4 жыл бұрын
I mean.... That was my initial concern. So even if they were using *100%* of recycled beach and ocean junk, it is just making more junk to go back int he ocean! XD
@mariahsampaga4 жыл бұрын
that’d be better than the trash it took to make that :/
@localtherapist44414 жыл бұрын
Definitely Not HD u hv a pretty good point XD
@dcflake56455 жыл бұрын
I mean before 4oceans i wasn't thinking about all the plastic in the ocean. They've done at least one good thing.
@sleepyzzz52595 жыл бұрын
If they're rich as can be it wouldn't bother me one bit, as long as they're doing something for the ocean. And inspiring people as well.
@allykholodov5 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy that 4ocean responded
@Bea-fc5in5 жыл бұрын
Such an informal and well-made video! I hope they reply.
@PetrolBurnGarage5 жыл бұрын
If they reply it'll just be more smoke and mirrors. One thing that good marketers know is that people have VERY short memories. As long as they can weather a small PR blip they will go back to business as normal. It takes sustained pressure for them to either be more transparent or stop doing business.
@DanyeHar5 жыл бұрын
@@PetrolBurnGarage Sadly, you're right. I think most of their customers are naive young people who won't see these videos, or might even choose to ignore them if they did.
@PetrolBurnGarage5 жыл бұрын
Danye Har the hot trend these days in marketing is to attach your brand to something “charitable” and use it as a ploy to sell product. It’s clearly worked for these bare chested doofs. It’s kinda disappointing because at first I was impressed with the company but if you actually stand back and absorb the stuff they are saying you can’t help but to be suspicious. Even the marketing vids just seem overly forced and disingenuous. But at the end of the day people “think” it’s a good cause and it makes them feel a little better about themselves by having a crappy plastic bracelet.
@iimocha_cat96815 жыл бұрын
Beatrice Magnussen, don’t believe this guy
@Bea-fc5in5 жыл бұрын
@@iimocha_cat9681 Why is that? He states facts and shows his sources.
@goldplaybuttonwithoutanyup11215 жыл бұрын
I was going to buy a bracelet until I saw the price and thought ‘that can’t be right’ and wondered all the questions you’ve been asking. Thank you for helping to keep these guys accountable
@feizymeio5 жыл бұрын
I got a 4ocean ad before the video started.
@DavidJones-dp1sv5 жыл бұрын
07% in compensation may be what they have transferred to date, but within a LLC all profit belongs to the owners. That's why they don't pay corporation tax. Their profit margin is huge, they just haven't taken it ... yet.
@davegreene5235 жыл бұрын
they bank a lot. government pays for operations. bracelet money all to their pockets. see for yourself.bocaraton.granicus.com/DocumentViewer.php?file=bocaraton_7b98cd76810f8359fc2407b97c7c03e2.pdf
@mcgruff09725 жыл бұрын
.07% (.14% for both) would be under their wages or an expense for the company, not what they have transferred (or would be called a dividend/distribution). Also, an LLC doesn't technically exist at the federal level. In the eyes of the federal government, an LLC is either a pass-through entity or a corporation. If you choose to be treated as a corporation you pay corporate tax in the year that the profit is earned as well as capital gains tax when the entity makes a distribution. If you choose to be a pass-through entity everything flows through from the company's K-1 to the owner's tax return for them to pay at their individual tax rate. The IRS is not that easy to fool.
@Steve_in_NJ5 жыл бұрын
These privileged "surfing vacation in Indonesia" dudes remind me of the commercial where the rich guy said "How do you think I got so rich?" I mean, c'mon, who can afford to take a surfing trip to Indonesia unless you have lots of $$$ already or daddy paid for it?
@msgjr5 жыл бұрын
@@davegreene523 This agreement is for a nine month trial period with the option to renew. They are also removing vegetation and reporting areas of concern per the agreement.
@undeniable_15625 жыл бұрын
140,000.00 for 9 months work. Not related to the bracelet money at all. And was this renewed? The resolution states the work all over South Florida doing the same thing.
@nicole1875 жыл бұрын
“1 pound at A time..” *Press X to doubt*
@thedriveog5 жыл бұрын
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@indominusrex16525 жыл бұрын
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@tanjunwei64955 жыл бұрын
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@Mr.Cheeseburger245 жыл бұрын
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@pierresihite88545 жыл бұрын
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@Meenaia5 жыл бұрын
Hur Hur well it's more than yuuuu duuuun! I almost spewed coffee everywhere from laughing when you said that 😂
@plastigirl31885 жыл бұрын
These south florida community college surfer dudes must think we're a bunch of idiots too! OK, "customer advocate Sophia", where's the video of the glass collection and bead-making process? the Bali production villagers? How do you explain identical bracelets being made in China and sold on Ali Express for a fraction of the 4ocean $20 US each? Who are your suppliers? Where are they? Where's the evidence of all this crystal clear glass you are finding on beaches and making millions of perfect little beads out of? Isn't it difficult for the sweet little ladies in Bali to handle the little beads all day long in the hot sun? Where are the videos depicting this circular economy? We live in an era of big data... we want proof that supports these outrageous claims. 4ocean should be called 4alex&andy or 4greedysurfers. The bracelets of the month for sharks, turtles, pelicans, dolphins, rays and more are probably nothing but items Gilligan and Spicoli pick out of a catalog for .08 US each. They deserve credit for figuring out how to monetize our emotional connections to the ocean. I, for one, am ashamed that I fell for something that is clearly "too good to be true". I hope I can help save others from making the same mistake. From now on, I am sticking to the non=profits that are proving themselves every day - with science, strategy, collaboration and honesty.
@msr11164 жыл бұрын
Plastigirl.....Even nonprofits need to be examined before a donation is made. It's well worth it to look into how each organization handles its finances. The minimum is 65% of total donations should be given away to the stated causes. Bear in mind, every charity has operational costs but that amount should never be more than is spent on providing actual assistance.
@ShaunORourke5 жыл бұрын
Through an LLC they could easily all get Teslas for themselves and use them as company cars. They can also purchase all their clothing as work outfits, etc. They could even buy houses on private islands and say they are offices so they can surf all day. I'm not saying that they're doing any of these things I'm just throwing it out there for people to think about. a really smart accounting could take a lot of what appear to be everyday expenditures and make them out to be business expenses.
@trishp30435 жыл бұрын
My bracelet broke within a week and 4ocean dm’d me promising me another one is being shipped... a year passed and nothing came :(
@14bqdonk5 жыл бұрын
they obviously a company that want to be rich over cleaning the ocean. Its just illogical for $20 bracelet that using recycled material. There are tons of high quality bracelet with the same exact price. This is proof that they just want money over nature.
@alanahorner80125 жыл бұрын
im so sorry you got scammed in investing in a good cause
@jdwatts9885 жыл бұрын
My bracelet broke after 6 months. My customer service inquiry to them was replied to the same day. The bracelets are guaranteed for 1 yr. They are sending me a replacement this next week.
@trishp30435 жыл бұрын
j Watts mine broke literally 2 weeks after from just a drop to the ground 😕
@alanahorner80125 жыл бұрын
@@trishp3043 they are not supposed to break as glass as jewelry is unbreakable as it has been heated research it . they are technically selling cheap beads
@freshbrewedasmr33783 жыл бұрын
I tried to even find out where they manufacture the bracelets. You know, where the trash goes to be made into beads etc. I only found an address in Bali - but no factory at all. Which is strange because on the boxes that these bracelets come in - it says they originate in Bali - so they would have to be made there. And then I found a statement from a former employee. She used to work at that mystery address in Bali. Her statement uncovered that her job was in fact to unpack boxes of newly made bracelets, from new materials, from China - and repack them into boxes to go all over the world for sale as having originated in Bali. (ouch…)
@MikkiStaaa5 жыл бұрын
please make more videos about this type of thing, you’re very well spoken !
@DanyeHar5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@hockinghillsalive36242 жыл бұрын
😅Ego boost to a poor schmuck who has no life.
@whiterottenrabbit Жыл бұрын
@@DanyeHar So, any news about 4Ocean three years later?
@Khang-zy1qm5 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to DX Hotra !!! :) 4ocean, We knew some of you are gonna watch this video. Do you want to say something ? We’re ready to listen
@cristlewrite79445 жыл бұрын
This some friggin good investigative journalism and im in love with it👍
@szacharyf5 жыл бұрын
They’re not even cleaning the ocean! They’re cleaning the beaches!! 😂
@lastsundaydrive5 жыл бұрын
It’s like saying you’ve been to hong kong when it’s only for transit.
@14bqdonk5 жыл бұрын
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@HeliumHelios5 жыл бұрын
Just something about your way of staying unbiased and open for various possibilities while questioning and staying skeptical... I don't know. take the sub.
@cudaphil5 жыл бұрын
The moment I hear Boca Raton, Florida my Bullshit detector automatically turns on.
@dragonite53154 жыл бұрын
At least someone is picking the plastic out of the ocean.
@ricebear51825 жыл бұрын
Not all claims are backed up by so call “environmental friendly” companies. Some of us are not good at being at being a detective. Your video is helping people to at least questions claims that company releases to the public. Sometimes good companies turn bad when profit starts piling up. $$$ changes people!!!
@jamescrud5 жыл бұрын
I very much doubt the two guys that founded this company ever had good intentions. Their entire business model is predicated on people's willingness to help the environment. They're exploiting that to the fullest extent. They work with people in developing nations so that their human resource expenses (salaries) are as low as possible in order to maximize profit.
@gornemant46395 жыл бұрын
The fact that people could use one of, if not THE greatest problem humanity has ever faced actually questions these people's humanity. It's frightening to think of. I sincerely hope this is not a scam even though every point you raised is relevant...
@johnwig2855 жыл бұрын
Ur point doesnt even make sense to begin with. Every damn business is built upon a problem that humanity faces so how does that make their ethics or humanity even questionable? Also his video clearly stated it isnt a scam, but the marketing was misleading along with lack of transperancy. Dont get the amount of woke devil's advocates in the comments bashing 4ocean like "ill just pick up the trash myself n save 20 bucks" as if yall even bother getting yr lazy ass off the couch to save the environment for free. If majority of the ppl had been doing it, 4ocean wouldnt have found a gap in the market to fill in the first place.
@gornemant46395 жыл бұрын
An honest business doesn’t use a problem to falsely advertise a product
@johnwig2855 жыл бұрын
@@gornemant4639 U still dont make any sense. If i am Uber, obviously ill leverage on the problem of inconvenience with regards to transportation to advertise my company's services as a solution to the problem. How the hell is that false advertisement or being dishonest? Ure literally confusing lack of transparency with honesty. Was 4ocean marketing all abt advertising their ship? Any dude with a brain knows that 4ocean's marketing is literally simple, u buy a bracelet, they clean. But now yall woke ass conspiracy theorist go deeper thinking that they are marketing their ship as the main workhorse behind their operations which yall think is misleading n think it is some party boat or asset they wanna own.
@gornemant46395 жыл бұрын
John Wig Saying they will clean up the ocean is false advertisement. As I saw in a comment, the only long term solution is to change our habits, and they are fully aware of that. But helping people change their habits doesn’t make profit so they chose cleaning. The problem with 4Ocean is that they also fool people into thinking our actions are reversible which is utterly false.
@darkfyy4 жыл бұрын
They aren’t even targeting the top 10 worst rivers which are located in Asia and Africa
@r0k4k4 жыл бұрын
hmm but isn't their name 4OCEAN?? hmmmmmmmm
@themaus38474 жыл бұрын
r0k4k then 4River should be made.
@shaicecream52465 жыл бұрын
The first commercial I saw was too overwhelming to the point where I started to have doubts.
@beaversandweasels5 жыл бұрын
I actually laughed out loud the video clips of 4ocean's founders at the end hahahahaha what a scam
@idunno78365 жыл бұрын
Incredible video. Cheers to you. As a teenager who almost bought one of these bracelets before stumbling upon your first video, I would like to thank you. Making claims such as a projected 90% total ocean trash recovery is wildly inaccurate and borderline criminal in my opinion. I will share this video with as many people as possible.
@m_ie84875 жыл бұрын
Iv'e been visiting the USA for all my life and occasionaly going to live in other places.
@DanyeHar5 жыл бұрын
lol
@guillanjunio81855 жыл бұрын
Danye Har lol
@castingwithjay12875 жыл бұрын
They said “operated” not “operating” I think having those volunteer clean ups in other countries does count as an operation, even if it was just a one time thing.
@clarareuter44665 жыл бұрын
What I always wonder about is where the bracelets will end up in the end? Right, back in the ocean!
@cowboyway995 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Myself and my wife would love to support ocean cleanup. I almost purchased bracelets but was sceptical so I didn't. There are so many scams nowadays you just can't trust anyone and we want our money to go to a good cause not in someone's pocket. Keep us updated.
@Panther8885 жыл бұрын
David Lange the best way to support ocean cleanup is to first produce less waste, to inform yourself and be aware of what waste represents. Also don’t forget to share your knowledge with people around you :)
@theschwolfgamers35955 жыл бұрын
"Last week I bought this bottle of whiskey" *it's half empty*
@hogepoge40985 жыл бұрын
Please make more videos of your analysis on sketchy non-profits. You are doing all of us a service.
@starstruckfan955 жыл бұрын
I love both of your videos on the 4ocean issue. Both very informative and somehow hilarious.
@inthe80z5 жыл бұрын
thanks for pointing out the obvious marketing scam.
@undeniable_15625 жыл бұрын
Are you being genuine or facetious? You can see in the comments that many have been taken in, or almost taken in, and he's trying to get some answers.
@bigshrimpentertainment5 жыл бұрын
Have you guys ever heard of “The Plastic Bank” I just found one of their videos... they also sell bracelets. Would love a video response to their company as well.
@korichristensen8795 жыл бұрын
I once heard that cleaning the ocean of plastic is like seeing that your sink is flooding and first grabbing some paper towels to wipe up the water on the floor. While this helps a little bit, shouldn’t your first move be to turn off the faucet? Getting rid of the ocean plastic is good to do, but it’s not going to do much if we continue to produce and use plastic at the rate that we do now.
@beaudaniel13705 жыл бұрын
If they found me in my car and pulled me out that's $72,180 or 3,909 bracelets
@sarahpn26955 жыл бұрын
YES! Let's rid the world of plastic pollution by getting a NEW BRACELET delivered to us EVERY MONTH... oh hang on...
@uzairp5 жыл бұрын
they said 'operated' out of, so technically not misleading
@antonaskgaardedmonds60085 жыл бұрын
At 10:19 you can see in the description about “2018 Clean Ocean Collection” that they are claiming they are a nonprofit organization: “Each bracelet is packaged in a collector’s edition storage book that features information about the cause and NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION IT SUPPORTS”.
@DanHauer5 жыл бұрын
No, they're talking about the partnerships they do with non-profits. They give a portion of the revenue to a non-profit.
@drgildarts23035 жыл бұрын
Awesome follow-up 🔥🔥🔥 keep ‘em coming! 💪🏼
@jessejones85195 жыл бұрын
Okay I did some simple maths and found out from how many bracelets the owners have sold they have made just under 1.1 million usd
@marcgarrett54274 жыл бұрын
Where did you find any info on the number of bracelets sold? Link?
@sanep_5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video, best 20 dollars saved! This also inspired me to clean up a local beach with some friends
@MoViesDProductions5 жыл бұрын
I clicked this thinking 4ocean was another new message board like 4chan.
@TheCheesedori5 жыл бұрын
Truly appreciate your in-depth analysis on this! Please do more :)
@2amdreaming5 жыл бұрын
These videos are so interesting! I love your humour and intelligent approach :)
@TomLoosley5 жыл бұрын
It means if done everywhere 90% of plastic would be reduced but the 10% is the micro plastic they can’t remove
@jstp995 жыл бұрын
I’d really like to know how they dispose of the plastic though
@slavekp4205 жыл бұрын
liked your video. What colour is that T-shirt? 4ocean blue?
@14bqdonk5 жыл бұрын
ok
@mcearl80735 жыл бұрын
I just finished watching the Fyre documentary, can’t wait for the 4ocean one to come out...
@emilycohan5 жыл бұрын
Yes - I was totally going to bring up Fyre. Just watched it two nights ago on Netflix - and there are some pieces here that remind me of that. Super well done.
@gracegargoyle5 жыл бұрын
Im glad you made these videos, while it might not be a scam per say, it's a feel good scheme to trick people into thinking they're doing better for the environment . Is it a bad thing? Not necessarily, but I'm glad this is sparking a conversation about 4ocean as well as a debate in company/consumer pollution in general
@chelseafitzgerald75775 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making these videos! I’m sure the $20 does clean up some trash but I’d rather go to my local beach and spend a day picking up trash with friends for free. I’m sure we can pick up a lot more than one pound! I could then go out and spend the $20 on buying more reusable grocery bags, metal straws, reusable containers and other things that will limit the plastic I produce. Thank you for informing me and many others that $20 can be spent in our own way to help the environment!
@msr11164 жыл бұрын
Reusable grocery/tote bags are available for purchase everywhere, both new and pre-owned. I have found a good selection of cloth and synthetic bags in resale shops and tossed out by my neighbors which they left in boxes. Personally, I prefer cloth bec it's so durable and can (and should) be laundered occasionally.
@AimingBadger5 жыл бұрын
Have you heard of Displate? they sell posters printed on metal, with magnet mounting, clever. They also claim to plant 10 trees for every "Displate" purchased. Seen some youtubers been sponsored by them (ex. LTT). Maybe worth taking a look at?
@SimGirl555 жыл бұрын
And a very similar ‘’company’’ (not too sure how to phrase it) Treecelet: selling bracelets for 20€ and each one plants 5 trees somewhere in Madagascar. I wonder how many similar companies exist.
@SimGirl555 жыл бұрын
And a very similar ‘’company’’ (not too sure how to phrase it) Treecelet: selling bracelets for 20€ and each one plants 5 trees ( They operate somewhere in Madagascar I think, but the founders are Slovenian) I wonder how many similar companies exist...
@taysikanen5 жыл бұрын
And should we even start with the subject that it does not matter if we get every piece of plastic out of oceans, if we continue to allow professional fishing? 😅 Good job, however. I do agree with you 100% and I am looking forward for 4ocean's reply. Hope you'll continue keeping the oceans in your discussions!
@ataru1212125 жыл бұрын
Dear readers, the answer is very simple. 4ocean is a Limited Liability Company, therefore a FOR PROFIT organization. Greenpeace is an NGO and a NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION. As an NGO, 4ocean could get tax benefits (therefore have more income to reach their goal), yet they decided not to take advantage of that and stay FOR PROFIT. Any guess why...?
@lisafox54425 жыл бұрын
I was 3 days away for buying a bracelet for my birthday and I watched your first vid. So glad I saw it. I've realised that I can save more than a pound in a lifetime by just being better at recycling
@alfredstimoli25904 жыл бұрын
go to the beach, pick up a pound of trash and put it into a trash can, then go to an arts and crafts market find and buy a nice bracelet made by a struggling artist, and have a great birthday.
@TheBoozehounde4 жыл бұрын
Or purchase less items with plastic.
@keynabean5 жыл бұрын
I think it would be more helpful if you recommend some NGOs or other initiatives who you think are trustworthy and more deserving of $20 donation.
@freddblackmood5 жыл бұрын
keynabean I agree with this! There are some people who really want to contribute financially but just don’t know who to..
@xbruhmoment94845 жыл бұрын
Now there need a I find a way to save the ocean in minecraft
@kevindebruyne92185 жыл бұрын
Tbh Id rather spend $20 bucks on food
@josh.e77025 жыл бұрын
**[[4 ocean has left the chat]]**
@tadbitmess5 жыл бұрын
Can't wait Internet Historian make an episode about 4Ocean...
@janelleislove5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos diving into these kinds of operations. Can you do more on similar type organizations? They're really a great reminder to us consumers to recognize patterns in blanketed marketing/sales statements. I know we can probably do our own research, but the way you present yours is really helpful and educational to the masses. Thank you!
@DanyeHar5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! If you find any fishy-looking companies, let me know!
@cherielov33945 жыл бұрын
9:42 *THIS HAS ME DYING OMGGG* 😂
@bobtailvw225 жыл бұрын
Why make something that will snap and spill its beads into the ocean which are a nice fish throat blocking size?