I second that, the amused-salt would be amazing

30 strong, 33 with characters, six wide. So it's five ranks deep with an extra three in the last back.

Idk... Maybe It's just me being too biased against Beastmen, but to me it looked like the major error was to accept the frontal charge with the City Guard instead of using them to screen against the ambushers. The Black Guard got jabaited by the Jaberslythe where it coulda been the job of the cheaper city guard (who also could at least fiered back at the thing while keeping it at bay.) . Afaik that, if the Executionners and Black Guards were deployed front and center, the main engagement coulda gone much better for the elves. Steve would probably have hesitated to charge his big boys in without the support of the Gors, giving the Elves a turn where they would have had the initiative. . Here is how you should deploy that DE army seeing this Beastment list (in my oppinion): Bolt throwers in the middle so they are protected from the overwhelming skirmish advantage of the Beastmen list. Flanked on either side by your elites, who being blenders themselves, are happy enough accepting the charge from the other side's blender units. Further flanked by the City Guard who's job is to pew-pew the enemy skirmishers away, Jabberslyth hunt, and if all goes well, join in the main fight in the end game.

@@CatWithAHat2HD Couldnt agree more! Also I suspect the DE elf list is maybe a touch underwhelming to..? Also, I think one of the reason why the beastmen feel OP is probably because we are used to seing them underperform in 8th.

@@isakjohansson112 The DE list looks like a Dwarf list with no gyrocopter. Is it tournament tier? No. But it has serious punch between those two elite infantry units. The lack of chaff is a sticking point, but I still think the main issue was deployment - it's not like the Beastmen had the tools to punish the "sit back and bait them into charging us" strat the bolt throwers pull you into. It's just that, again, the thing you wanna pull them into isn't the City Gard. . The one big reason not to put the elite front and center is the threat of "free damage" impact hits. But that's aleviated by putting the war machines in the center too. That way they can shoot at the chariots instead of shooting at the largely useless dog darts.

Like what rules?

@@Watcher-in-the-Dark it was teasing's Steve

Yep, a nice guy but uninspiring list ... just sitting there & relying on unit abilities, with no real movement of interest.

They made pretty all the armies competitive. WAP it's all about balance and fun!

It's the rule for regen. You can have a ward save and a regen but regen still count in the resolution

@@nicolascharron1186 it doesn’t really make sense

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This DE list is definitely too slow, fast cav is essential in WAP and it is impossible to leave the Warlocks out of a competitive list

@@charlesvancouver1605 Yes indeed. I also have to give credit to Steve because, in my opinion, this is the best way to play Beastmen in WAP. Strong and complicated list to deal with. (I also think that multi small units of Darkshards and Dark Riders are the best core choices for a competitive DE list)

i always hated the whf scenarios that had random deployment, losing in the deployment phase because of dice rolls always felt garbage. honestly don't understand why those kinds of rules would be preserved in a re-written rules set.

I was able to learn ALOT from those 2 games that day. What I had done, was think that the units from 8e WHFB were still just as strong, but I learned from these games that the way to play the DE really is to use speed. I have another list that I have been working on for my next visit to Mountain Miniatures that will look drastically different. I had a great time, but importantly I learned a lot of valuable information going into future games.

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