Indian Killer: Lewis Wetzel, the frontiersman and murderer whose rifle was always loaded.

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Lewis “Death Wind” Wetzel was born into the Ohio Valley frontier in 1763. His own kidnapping and the murder of much of his family by Native Americans retaliating against American westward expansion will shape his life. By 15 years old he has killed Indians in conflict on the frontier. By 17 he is doing so as a scout for the local militia. He will turn from helping his community against their perceived enemy to actively hunting Native Americans as a serial killer. His skill and patience are incredible. He is famous for encounters where he faces multiple attackers at once and is able to escape by reloading his flintlock on the run, leading to the phrase “his gun is always loaded.” An ability that must find to be nearly impossible. He rescues captured settlers and tracks Native Americans who have stolen property or attacked the community. Also hunts and Indians in cold blood. Killing as many as 100 in his lifetime and never failing to take the victims’ scalp. Wetzel is a complicated figure. He is a terrorist to one side and largely respected by his own. If you were living as an American on the Frontier, would you admire or despise him? In the video I work through my thoughts on the idea.
Feel encouraged to like, share, and comment. Work and research on this episode as been thought provoking and support and chance for further discussion would be awesome.
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1. Book- a life and times of Lewis Wetzel
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3. Lewis Wetzel, Dark Hero of the Ohio- www.varsitytutors.com/earlyam...
4. Natural Born Killers- Part I- Lewis Wetzel- frontierpartisans.com/7987/na...
5. Killing George Washington: The American West in Five Voices by Anne Jennings Paris books.google.com/books?id=1-I...
6. Stories of Ohio by William Dean Howells gutenberg.readingroo.ms/2/1/3/...
7. Adventure of Lewis Wetzel- From The Casket, 1837 archive.wvculture.org/history...
8. Lewis Wetzel: Warfare Tactics on the Frontier By George Carroll archive.wvculture.org/history...
9. The Crawford Expedition en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawf...

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@christophrodig5738 11 ай бұрын

A great worrior.....and a fierce fighter....LEWIS WETZEL...YOUR NAME AND YOUR STORY, WILL REMEMBERED!

@markknivila8383 2 жыл бұрын

These men can't be judged by the standards of today. Those were tough times, for settlers and native Americans, as well! Great video, hope to see more!

@SuperRMTV 2 жыл бұрын

Scalping native women and children to make porcelain dolls to sell to settlers’ kids to fund more killings- somebody should’ve done that to your lineage cuz yea it’s so complicated to judge today

@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 2 жыл бұрын

@@cynthiaayers7696 murder just means you killed someone. Murder can be justified you know, especially when it’s in self defense

@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 2 жыл бұрын

@@cynthiaayers7696 they’re called Indians or America Indians. Native Americans just means you’re born on American soil. Being PC isn’t being correct

@user-nv5sn3tb4e 2 жыл бұрын

@@cynthiaayers7696 funny how they change the topic to semantics when they dont like the facts at hand lol. if you actually do care about the semantics, that guy is wrong again though, because the generally acceptable term is Indigenous. its true that most Indigenous peoples of this continent do refer to themselves as Indians, but only because that's what they've been called for centuries. the sentiment is largely "okay so you called us one thing for hundreds of years and now suddenly you want to call us something else out of what, respect? respect is giving the land back lol"

@Hogprint25 2 жыл бұрын

@@cynthiaayers7696 Maybe read The Heart of Everything That Is-Drury & Clavin…or many other recent works. The atrocities that the Indians committed against THEMSELVES ( Tribe on tribe ) shocked the Europeans. When the belligerents became the Europeans and Natives the atrocities compiled. Neither side was clean. When you apply todays standards it makes it worse. Check out this channels account of a captured settler among the Comanche’s. We learn from the past. We shouldn’t place blame. There is nothing you or I can do about our ancestors.

@rolandgonzales3343 2 жыл бұрын

The older you get the more you realize how all this happened not long ago.

@pearlcaster8287 2 жыл бұрын

Think of a line of men standing next to each other's side. You're on the right end of the line. If each man was of a different generation, then 1763's adult male would only be 6 men to your left. Imagine that each man would speak the language of his generation, so by speaking up and down the line, we could communicate truthfully. Historians peruse documents and then write about the content of those documents. That creates filters about actuality of the events those documents describe; hence, what we read in history is a highly filtered description. That's why you must always be alert for bias, because propagandists use these filters to argue their biases. As an long, retired math teacher, who taught statistics, I told my students, "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure." The world's full of liars! America seems to have way too many.

@SuperMrHiggins 2 жыл бұрын

Good OP. Later? BOO BACKWARDS BABY BOOMERS

@chancecarlton8403 Жыл бұрын

I just went through this epiphany when reading about the last Comanche Chief. I didn't realize the Comanche were still in control of a huge swath of land from Texas to the rockies even after the Civil War. Pretty close to 1900's... we had the world fair in stl 1904 and I just can't fathom a few years before that Natives were still in control of 20% of America.

@robbieyoder4201 Жыл бұрын

@@chancecarlton8403 free apache in 1930s

@jasonbrown372 Жыл бұрын

@@chancecarlton8403Do your references include Alaska?

@mechcavandy986 Жыл бұрын

My 5x grandfather, John McWilliams, fought Indians around Wheeling, WV. He helped save the fort from an Indian raid there.

@victorhopper6774 10 ай бұрын

yea i remember him. he gave them😂😂 whisky

@thomassmith7374 2 жыл бұрын

Wetzel is a German surname originating in Silesia and Bohemia based on the German name Wenzel, which is a pet name for the middle high German Wenze(itself taken from the old Czech Venceslav). It's composed of vece(greater) and slav(glory).

@arlenburgin2392 Жыл бұрын

Auzgeziechnet!

@cutekanjii 11 ай бұрын

Is that where the term "wench" comes from? Which I've never fully understood, is it a name for an ugly woman or something?

@unlearningcommunism4742 11 ай бұрын

@@cutekanjii Hm... It's very difficult to say, because it can easily become lost in spelling. I speak Serbian, Russian and Slovenian, thus, my educated guess: In "Slavic" wesht... = crafty, wesht-itsa = woman doing dark craft, witch, ugly woman weNch is more like weN-ats = wreath, of flowers... or mountains, like a long ridge weNch-anye = wedding, when you have wreath made of flowers X) Thus even I'm not completely sure, but it could be the case that Germans (we call them Nyem-tsi = people who can't speak) have misheard Slavs = people who share same words

@loslobos786 2 жыл бұрын

I can't fault him for what he did if we had caught him we'd have done the same thing those were brutal times.

@teddyhaynes9876 11 ай бұрын

Yep he just defended himself

@edgarcardenas7303 11 ай бұрын

Ur a racist pos just say that

@victorhopper6774 10 ай бұрын

@@teddyhaynes9876 he did a little more than defend.

@whatifyourwrong9153 10 ай бұрын

I live close to what used to be a home site for revolutionary captain whose family was killed by raiding Shawnee Indians from the Ohio Valley. They marched his wife and daughter to Detroit to be sold. That was after they had previously kidnapped his son some 2 years prior, which he was able to escape and return. Those were hard times to live in both sides had their fair share of atrocities and brutality.

@Helsoarg 7 ай бұрын

I think the captain is my ancestor...Captain Baker

@t.j.payeur5331 2 жыл бұрын

My mother is a half Mohawk from Montreal. I married a direct descendant of Hannah Dustin (I learned it with an "I"). I make no judgments on anyone...great story, subbed.

@BensonGumbald-se4st 2 ай бұрын

Both the American Indians and Lewis Wetzel were unnecessarily brutal. Sometimes there isn't a good guy in war

@joeday397 Жыл бұрын

Keep the videos coming,you present them in such a way that it doesn't take forever to get an understanding or into the story.

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

I appreciate it. Thank you!

@ob5393 5 ай бұрын

Comment section passed the vibe check. Lewis Wetzel was not a serial killer but a warrior on the side of the settlers. If he’s a murderer, so is every soldier.

@norseman5041 2 жыл бұрын

Trying to judge a man by todays standards is just foolish. He was a product of the time and environment he lived in. Most of those he killed would have done exactly as he did, he was just a better warrior. Getting caught by any Indian tribe in those days and you would wish you where never borne, the Comanche was unchallenged in their skill set in the art of torture, usually lead by the female. Every native male would know that he would be tortured or killed immediately if caught by any other Indian tribe, anyone not seen valuable would immediately meet the same destiny, infant's, old folks usually got killed on the spot. Every tribe knew this, this was the ways among the native.

@daghostxxx1797 2 жыл бұрын

NM, you make largely exaggerated claims, yes some of these things happened, not between every tribe, at every time !

@norseman5041 2 жыл бұрын

@@daghostxxx1797 Of course, it did not happen all the time, friendships between various tribes and settlers developed and lasted long times. But during war times this is absolutely no exaggerations. Very well documented accounts will tell you I am very much aligned with those accounts. The Comanche nearly brought the Apache to extinction.

@paulgentile1024 Жыл бұрын

@@daghostxxx1797 read about the Mexican / Apache wars.. no such thing as noble savage

@paulgentile1024 Жыл бұрын

@@daghostxxx1797 quite common

@karlgharst5420 Жыл бұрын

@@norseman5041 Attempts to live among the Indians were always proven to be regretted by those who survived the encounter. Good post!

@truebeliever6879 2 жыл бұрын

Great job! It's hard to find reliable info on him. Lewis is my 5th great granduncle. I have a 6th great grandpa who was kidnapped by Indians when he was 10 he didn't escape til he was 23ish bit returns to fight the natives and later was a scout in the revolutionary war. Wm (Indian Billy) Galloway Ice

@wowbagger3505 Жыл бұрын

Was Indian Billy one of the Morgantown Ices?

@townbythetown Жыл бұрын

I also have a 2nd great grandfather who’s family was massacred by an Indian raid when he was around 6, he ran out into the cornfields. Went to the civil war at age 16 and when it ended they sent him to Texas “to help quiet the indians” all that is on his newspaper obituary clipping that I own. Crazy times

@matthewaamot2961 11 ай бұрын

Hey cousin! I'm descended from the three John Wetzels - Sr, Jr, and III. How do you come down the tree?

@ragnardanneskajold1880 Жыл бұрын

one additional note: for years and years the British paid the Native Americans for every American scalp collected; everything from unborn chidden to old women had a bounty. Allen W Eckert's books on the Frontier at this time are amazing.

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

I have a couple of Erkert’s books. I have a pipe dream of making a video one day based on his Wetzel stories where I learn to reload a muzzle loader on the run.

@jasonmelius4839 11 ай бұрын

Ehhhhh...... This is a fallacy. The governments of the British colonies (Americans) paid bounties for scalps occasionally. This was most commonly done during the French and Indian War. They paid colonists and Natives alike for the scalps of enemy Natives and French. There were only a few instances of the British military paying for scalps during the American Revolution. It was not as common as many pretend. There were no bounties for the scalps of unborn children. Eckert's books are not history books, they are historical fiction and are full of embellishment.

@empoweryou1 2 жыл бұрын

Cool story. Reminds me of John Johnston. There's a decent book about him called "Crow Killer" subtitled: The saga of liver eatin' Johnston. He reportedly spent most of his adult life taking revenge for what some young Crow warriors did to his pregnant wife. A frontiersman that had zero problem killing Crows. Like Lewis Wetzel's story, it's difficult to separate truth from exaggeration.

@jasonbrown372 Жыл бұрын

I think that's why truth/exaggeration eventually mutates to becomes legendary. Our instant communication, repetition and crossover fact-checking has devolved Legends into innuendos, except those vague whispers now last forever.

@judegrant6664 Жыл бұрын

I'm reading your response, and I am wondering, is this the same person that the book "Crow Killer" was written about, that,, my understanding, became the 1972(?) movie "Jeremiah Johnson" starring Robert Redford

@empoweryou1 Жыл бұрын

@@judegrant6664 Jeremiah Johnson the movie, was a character created from a few different frontiersmen including John Johnston. Some overlap yes, but some big differences too.

@nonyabeeznuss304 Жыл бұрын

I read what claimed to be an interview with him before he died in which he claimed he'd only pretended to eat an indian's liver, using a deer liver instead in order to gross out a younger guy in the group. According to that piece of literature his cannibalistic reputation stemmed from that prank.

@empoweryou1 Жыл бұрын

@@nonyabeeznuss304 Wow, this is the first I've heard of this. Very much appreciated! Can you point me in the right direction to find that interview? A link maybe?

@kevinmarrett9532 Жыл бұрын

Wetzel was not a serial killer. He was a man who lived his life with the mindset that he was at war 24/7, just like the Indian warrior did. He took their mindset and way of fighting, and did it better than them. That’s a feat that’s hard to overstate the impressiveness of.

@peterlynchchannel 11 ай бұрын

If anything, it was the Indians who took that mindset from the Europeans. Wetzel was the quintessential European "adventurer".

@twomp5613 11 ай бұрын

@@peterlynchchannelcap

@firstnamelastname2197 11 ай бұрын

@@peterlynchchannelwhy did you make up that bs?

@keithallen8543 11 ай бұрын

@@peterlynchchannel Bud, frontier white men learned to fight in the back country from the Indians. Look at how Braddock was killed. He was marching in the European fashion and his whole expedition was almost wiped out except for the men who fought the frontier way. Indians didn't learn to fight from where man. They already had that part figured out

@nichoudha 11 ай бұрын

@@keithallen8543 What are you talking about? European colonialists massacred Native populations for centuries. The Catholic Church sanctions massacring every known reader of the Mayan language for a 100 years.

@mikedee1 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the context of the times that the settlers lived in. Brutal for both sides. I can imagine if you were born into that environment of hate and violence someone like Wetzel would appear on the scene.

@Ringgo733 2 жыл бұрын

He was not a murderer it was a war. He did not kill women and children. When the braves stopped murdering women and children the war was over and he stopped fighting.

@kdworak4754 Жыл бұрын

The beta has to present everything in a neutral manner.

@meledog1357 3 ай бұрын

@@kdworak4754your moms a beta

@davidshields3772 2 жыл бұрын

Lew Wetzel was an ancestor of mine, according to my late dad. Thanks for the info.

@weitzfc1 2 жыл бұрын

wetzel , was big medicine.

@kevf500 Жыл бұрын

great man

@matthewaamot2961 11 ай бұрын

Lewis was a relative, perhaps, but not an ancestor. He has no descendants.

@imnotracistbut-9559 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for not demonizing or apologizing for a random guy in history who did what he had to do to survive and according to what he believes is right. Unrelated story: I’m not native and live in a town that is probably 90-95% one particular native tribe and they’re not too subtle about not liking non-natives. Most people are tribal and have CDIB card even if they appear to be non-native. I have a lot of people who despise me despite being a complete introvert and homebody with almost no social life and very few people I’d call friends. A month ago I was attacked in my home and robbed at gunpoint, beaten into a bloody mess and threatened for no reason whatsoever or at least none was given. I go to the tribal police station since they’re the only jurisdiction that can do anything and guess what? Nothing will happen to them as a result. That’s what I’m told anyway. The Indians look after their own and since I’m half white/ half hispanic and not a tribal member, essentially no crime was committed. Makes you feel like you are the only person who you can count on in this world full of violent and unremarkable savages. Dooming them to a life of subjugation and eventual extinction seems excessive at first. Once you live amongst them and witness how much better off we aré since their population has tanked, I have nothing but respect and admiration for wetzel and all the other settlers, conquistadors and vaqueros who had the right idea of how to deal with the natives in America. Stay based

@kkingquad 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been to Lewis Wetzel’s Wildlife Management Area here in WV, but I’d never heard his story. Very interesting

@jasonraley2630 2 жыл бұрын

When you called Wetzel a serial killer I was all in. Wetzel is a hard guy not to understand but to accept. I get exactly why he did what he did. I understand it. I completely get where he is coming from. I just can't bring myself to sanction it. Conversely, men like Jacob Greathouse, Daniel Greathouse, David Williamson, John Rollins, and Michael Cresap I can't begin to accept their actions or understand them. Simon Girty as well. But there is something about Wetzel that makes him understandable. And I almost want to give him a pass. Hard to judge him by today's standards. Completely different world. Nothing he did is acceptable by today's standards. But, back in the day, I can see what he did as heroic to the everyday citizen.

@datesanddeadguys 2 жыл бұрын

That’s the conclusion I came to while making the video. It’s easy to demonize macro view of westward expansion because of what it meant to native Americans but on the micro level it was just families trying to make a life. if I were a Native American at the time I would surely despise what was happening to my people but I were a settler I would want someone like Wetzel if things were going bad for my town or family, even though he was a monster in some ways. When viewed at the micro level I gain perspective.

@karlgharst5420 Жыл бұрын

@@datesanddeadguys One of the complaints made in the Declaration of Independence was that the Crown was purposely inciting "merciless savages" against the Colonists. Wetzel was freed from imprisonment by the local people in Virginia... he was not an escaped convict and serial killer! Your "death wind" insult demonstrates your motives!

@artawhirler Жыл бұрын

Another excellent video! Thanks!

@whiplash8277 Жыл бұрын

Great telling of the tale of Wetzel. Could you do a video about Simon Kenton. He was a true legend in 18th Century frontiersmen. Thanks.

@timdixon8752 2 жыл бұрын

Wetzel is a American hero.This narrator is full of it.

@meledog1357 3 ай бұрын

Your mom is full of it

@jackoliver7506 15 күн бұрын

@@meledog1357 ur sister is full of it

@meledog1357 3 күн бұрын

Your sister identifies as a Native American

@jackoliver7506 2 күн бұрын

@@meledog1357 should I identifies as trailer park trash

@djm24able Жыл бұрын

Dude I love your channel just found it!

@mikeable1376 Жыл бұрын

You did the best story i have heard about Death Wind Thanks again.

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I find Wetzel absolutely fascinating.

@LonelyRanger902 2 жыл бұрын

The host is quite naïve about the atrocities committed by the Shawnee. They were paid by the British out of Fort Detroit for as many American scalps as they could harvest

@mauricematla8379 2 жыл бұрын

On the other hand. Westeners had no business there in the first place.

@dev-debug 2 жыл бұрын

@@mauricematla8379 Why is that ? British put settlers on North America and then paid natives to scalp them when they declared independence. Humans have fought for land as long as history exists, this is no different. Also no different from the Native American tribes killing each other. Love it when people leave the same naïve comment you did regarding this subject.

@mauricematla8379 2 жыл бұрын

@@dev-debug So it is OK just because we have been doing it for a long time ? Those settlers had a choice. Their decendent as well....

@wesleybarton3871 2 жыл бұрын

@@dev-debug French paid the Indian nations to fight against the Brit and colonizers. That tobacco and sugar later on were lucrative commodity in Europe. So let's admit it's always about the Almighty Dollar.

@dee5298 2 жыл бұрын

@@mauricematla8379 We are well past the point of no return. No matter what anyone thinks, the ownerships has transferred and will not be given up. Another way has to be found.

@ludwigderzanker9767 Жыл бұрын

New liker from Northern Germany here. You make a good content and show interesting history. I don't stake to it that he was baptized and called Ludwig (because no one from protestantic Europe, Belgium or Germany would named his son Louis because of the French catholic kings). He was unique to say it straight and he was at this time sometimes badly needed. Maybe he was the most effective Indian Killer of all times but his life (at his old places all men had never heard of him go and thought he was eventually catched by his foes. A historian of middle age times (and not Englisch as you see), the similar Frontier in the northeastern Europe 1100 years ago and the late 18th in North America is somewhat to think of. Thank you for this vid sir!

@ludwigderzanker9767 Жыл бұрын

The knack with the rifle loading while running was told about half a dozen frontiers man! Looked at the training of Mister Day-Lewis, amazing!

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

Absolutely the king of thing I would love spending some time trying out. It’s baffling to me though, I really would like to see modern videos of people doing it.

@sassmacfru Жыл бұрын

according to family records his name was Lewis Ludwig Whetzel. So you were close.

@ralfgroh2719 Жыл бұрын

Very good presentation; thanks!

@misharyutubbee Жыл бұрын

I heard a story about the way legends can grow: In a war, a plane was shot down. Several observers saw what happened from different angles and distances and reported it. Next thing you know, twelve planes were shot down, not just one.

@wiseguysoutdoors2954 2 жыл бұрын

He was taught that loading on the run by Bradys Rangers, led by Captain Samuel Brady, but trained and drilled in bush fighting by Captain Richard "Shawtunte" Sparks, my 4th great uncle and a Shawnee captive/adoptee from age 3 in 1760, until age 18 in 1775. He was a full fledged Shawnee warrior before being forcibly repatriated after the death of his adoptive father, Pukshinwah, father of Tecumseh. Sparks loathed Wetzel after the murder of Chief Logans family, who were always friendly to the settlers

@Mottleydude1 2 жыл бұрын

Was Lewis Wetzel involved in the murder of Logan’s family by Jacob Greathouse et. el.?

@wiseguysoutdoors2954 2 жыл бұрын

@@Mottleydude1 yes. He was one of a handful who were responsible. My 4th great uncle, James Sparks was with the Michael Cresap party, but they didn't participate in the massacre, although Cresap was blamed, being the leader of the group. All of my 4th great uncle's and my 4th great grandfather vouched for Cresap's innocence in the matter.

@Mottleydude1 2 жыл бұрын

@@wiseguysoutdoors2954 That I knew about Cresap. If I remember correctly he left the frontier after the incident and did not return as he understood what would happen to him if he were captured by the Indians. I also remember he swore if he ever saw Greathouse again he would tomahawk him.

@wiseguysoutdoors2954 2 жыл бұрын

@@Mottleydude1 absolutely. Poor guy was completely innocent, yet became the most undeserving scapegoat. If you ever get the chance, look up Richard Sparks, the white Indian. It's by a Frances lady. Tennessee history magazine in the 1920's - 1930's

@Mottleydude1 2 жыл бұрын

@@wiseguysoutdoors2954 I will have to do that.

@jayglo 2 жыл бұрын

I have watched a few of your videos not. I wanted to say that your audio quality is amazing in all aspects except one. the volume level comes across a little low. even though your compression is spot on.

@wowbagger3505 Жыл бұрын

I have ancestors, who knew Wetzel. He would howl like the wind so the Indians called him “Death Wind or vent du mort” but he was reportedly very docile in the white settlements and enjoyed playing with settler’s children and they let him. One way to evaluate Wetzel is to read Zane Grey’s first three novels Betty Zane, The Spirit of the Border, and The Last Trail. He had found Ebenezer Zane, his great grandfather’s, diary of the early days in Wheeling and used it as source material. Checking this I was once again stricken by how much Grey looked like my grandfather, but then they were distant cousins.

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

For this video my primary sources were a biography by C.B. Allman and big variety of internet sources. I have since picked up some works by Allen Eckert and Zane Grey and want to revisit the topic. Maybe not just Wetzel but the Ohio River Frontier or Wheeling in particular. It is just insane how different life is in America 200 years later. I’m grateful for it but it was a fascinating and wild time. There are some museums in WV with more I would like to see too.

@flinteyesonofsun614 Жыл бұрын

He was also a devil

@matthewaamot2961 11 ай бұрын

@@datesanddeadguys Lewis was a great uncle of my greatxxx grandmother Margaret Wetzel. Thank you for the episode!

@badgerrrlattin35 2 жыл бұрын

Between the frontier conditions, the technology and the frequency of the wars; the 18th & 19th century made some hard men - damn hard men that are difficult to imagine in our times.

@JeromeandTyrone Жыл бұрын

Wetzel was the Rambo of the late 1700s huh?

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

You know, I see what you see.

@patrickkelly7838 2 жыл бұрын

You should NEVER judge a man until you have lived his life for a year.

@davidburgess8207 2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 2 жыл бұрын

Depends. I’m not living the life of a map but I’ll still judge them as scum

@jameshill8493 9 ай бұрын

I mean nah, don’t do something if you don’t want others to judge you for it

@Youngblood457 8 ай бұрын

I’m a judge Hitler all I want

@bobschott6614 Жыл бұрын

A superb series. Educational in a fascinating way. Spiced with intelligent humor. How refreshing

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

I appreciate it. Wetzel is a fascinating and complex figure and an excellent example of how in a different time our individual circumstances could greatly impact who we are and what we value.

@BrooksDunn Жыл бұрын

People will easily call him a murderer and psycho.. but you’re 100% right, if people today lived in that time, they would want a fearless man like him to have their backs no questions asked. Natives opened fire in him and his family nearly killing everyone, it was open season on anyone who didn’t look like you, no one demonizes the ones who killed his family (dog included)

@nichoudha 11 ай бұрын

He could have just stopped at the people who did the firing. You're basically saying a Native American who lost their parents would then have the right to kill every White Settler they see.

@bonnieprincecharlie6248 Жыл бұрын

Great job on this video I have researched Wetzel quite a bit but still learned a few new things. There definitely is a lot of contradictory information on him, one version of his story that I heard is that when he was on his deathbed he refused medical attention and said, " Let me die, there aren't any more Indians to kill."

@peterharris38 2 жыл бұрын

Another great segment thank you.

@GoldChump 2 жыл бұрын

Would love to see one on the mining town and statehood of Deadwood, South Dakota AND/OR any of the Southern Oregon gold mining town stories... Enjoyed the Indian stories... Some may say we have come a long way since then and that may be true. I'd say it will remain so until the food runs out...

@LtBRS 10 ай бұрын

Including the King's proclamation, a very balanced presentation. Thank you.

@tombrunner8181 Жыл бұрын

One game is still relevant. Intentionally inciting groups of people against each other. The settlers were sent into the area precisely for this land seizure.

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

100%. It gave the government justification for putting more forts on the frontier. The Natives and the settlers get into conflict. Raids take place. Murders on both sides. What is the government to do? They have to defend their settlers and the only way for them to do that is with force. And wouldn’t you know it? The borders expand. Then they need to be defended. People getting mad at the settlers I think miss a much larger point. They were useful fodder for the grander goals of government.

@tombrunner8181 Жыл бұрын

@@datesanddeadguys It is a British game that is still successful today. Artificial borders that allow two tures to collide. Areas of others promise a party. To build dictators who can later be removed when you have done the intended work.

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

There is always a new frontier. There is a phrase about the romans for this. It goes “The Romans conquered the world in self defense.”

@JMS-to3xb 2 жыл бұрын

Good videos sir, I look forward to more like this. Very interesting and entertaining thank you so much!

@davidmorabeto8499 Жыл бұрын

I never heard of him before and I'm from Steubenville Ohio. Thank you. That was cool 😎

@floydskyfire 2 жыл бұрын

Such a fierce time. Make sure grateful for today.

@user-nv5sn3tb4e 2 жыл бұрын

Indigenous peoples are still being killed to this day, especially women girls and two spirit peoples. what little land they’ve been left is poisoned with industry or barren, and some don’t even have running water. colonization is happening as we speak. the entire west cost of so-called canada is unceded land, there has never been a battle fought, a treaty signed, a sale or seizure of any legal validity. nothing. this is not the past.

@donphillips4492 Жыл бұрын

Serial killer? It's called a survivor. He is a hero in my book. I bet the Indians had great respect for him as well.

@PRIMARY_WHY_NOT Жыл бұрын

This like saying Hitler is a hero. R

@kennard87 Жыл бұрын

Naw he's a devil will pay men like him in kind

@King__Tone Жыл бұрын

Yea serial killer taking over ppls lands

@thehuntermikipl1170 Жыл бұрын

You are pathetic just like him.

@PIMP923 Жыл бұрын

Lol

@TankDavisConquers Жыл бұрын

Lewis Wetzel is a hero. The Indian fought the Black and White establishing America lets NEVER forget that.

@infinitestarz 2 жыл бұрын

a truly surreal era when you start digging into the history, but arent they all? Thanks for all the research, Love these vids.

@datesanddeadguys 2 жыл бұрын

They really are a different world. Thanks for watching and the kind words.

@fathertime9433 2 жыл бұрын

Narrator needs a man bun

@wilmoney4619 Жыл бұрын

Lots of those frontiersmen and buffalo hunters on a chase kept the shot in their mouths for quick reloading. The metis hunters on the prairie here in canada would riding on a buffalo hunt with their shot in their mouths so they could spit the shot into the barrel. Yeah lead is bad news for sure but they didnt know that and they did do it! Great videos friend! Just found this channel and love it. And dont forget the horrific things the natives did to settlers. These were people who had no idea who they were displacing. They were escaping the tyranny of the British. Trying to find a home. They entered a world where being burnt and skinned alive was what the native were doing to them and Wetzel was protecting them. He was an avenger they would say.

@ioandavies8576 Жыл бұрын

Very knowledgeable love watching your videos. Love from a British ally

@charliehay1520 Жыл бұрын

Allan Eckerts book: A dark and bloody river is full of Wetzels experiences and MANY other frontiersmen sam brady,simon kenton,Daniel boone and more..this channel has great content thank you i hope to hear more

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

I made this video before I bought that book. I hope to revisit the topic at some point.

@charliehay1520 Жыл бұрын

@Dates and Dead Guys I look forward to that! You have awesome content and I am looking forward to watching more of it.

@alexandermarcek1096 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting topic, thanks! But the sound quality is poor...that echo is so bad. Consider decicated mic, instead of the one on the ipad.

@CUtigerz97 Жыл бұрын

Great story. What a harsh time to be alive. We have gotten so soft. Thanks for the video. I might suggest a microphone of sorts and not in a room with an echo.

@chadouellette790 7 ай бұрын

Last of the Mohican's is my favorite movie of all time! Reloading on the run is amazing! Daniel Day Lewis was awesome in this movie!

@jebbthetrainkid1281 4 ай бұрын

They actually modeled his Character off of Wetzel.

@Robert-xk5pm 3 ай бұрын

Just found this channel. Now I am addicted.

@StoneColdDonnieBell Жыл бұрын

Subbed 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿💯‼️

@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82 11 ай бұрын

Good too see accurate and not woke takes. Great showing

@DSS-jj2cw 11 ай бұрын

This video is close to home for me . Crawfords defeat happened 5 miles west of my house and I attended Colonel Crawford High School.

@tybrinkley7627 4 ай бұрын

I grew up in Concord NH and the Hannah Duston statue was right near me, it's where the Contoocook River empties into the the Merrimack River. That's a wild story, have you covered that?

@datesanddeadguys 4 ай бұрын

I actually have. That video stays with the same series title as this one. It’s called Hannah Duston and the brutal Abenaki murders.

@theyangview1898 2 жыл бұрын

Get a mic that eliminates the echo off your barren walls, please

@timjohnson6100 2 жыл бұрын

great job!

@francislarv3012 11 ай бұрын

Who needs fictional stories when men like him lived storied lives. A movie based on him could never be made in today’s world

@bp6877 2 жыл бұрын

This would make an excellent Hollywood movie!!

@weitzfc1 2 жыл бұрын

oh hell no . the would do nothing but put a liberal slant to it.

@mikesimmons8787 2 жыл бұрын

Great presentation. Very interesting. Hes like the tom quick of my area in pa.

@wanderingsoul7935 2 жыл бұрын

The Romans viewed native Europeans in a similar way when they first started conquering and colonizing Europe, they were terrified of the savage warlike Germanic tribes. They even hired one of them, a man called Charietto who hunted and took the heads of Rome's enemies.

@paulgentile1024 Жыл бұрын

not just the Romans but Greeks also considered Germanic tribes as barbarians.. outside of " civilization"...

@bjrnterjesen651 2 жыл бұрын

This was great 😁👌

@robertfomeara183 2 жыл бұрын

One of the very first books that I read was "Ohio River Trilogy" by Zane Grey, whose ancestors were contemporaries of Wietzel. The second book in the set is more or less dedicated to the exploits of Lewis Wetzel -- Death Wind.

@timfoster4979 Жыл бұрын

Great content

@teenieneenie630 2 жыл бұрын

Would love this channel if you'd fix a couple of things first. It's very blurry and the audio sounds as if your recording in a cavernous hall. Will check back later to see.

@datesanddeadguys 2 жыл бұрын

Working on the sound. New episode out this week. Should be better.

@bobbybooshay8641 2 жыл бұрын

Great man. The savage culture he was fighting revolved around murder, kidnapping, rape, theft and slavery, among other things. He beat those mongrels at their own game.

@user-nv5sn3tb4e 2 жыл бұрын

oh really? sounds exactly like what europeans have done for thousands of years to each other and then to the world. you don’t know ANYthing about a single Indigenous culture of this continent.

@karlgharst5420 Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@rudolfyakich6653 Жыл бұрын

I have been hoping to get more information on the Ohio county warfare. Thanks.

@arlenburgin2392 Жыл бұрын

Awesome story!

@donphillips4492 Жыл бұрын

I have recently found out I am related to William Crawford. I find these stories very interesting and am so glad we are not living in those times. Brutal for everyone. Indians and settlers. I hate when people try to judge people of the past comparing it with today is a complete joke.

@diggernash1 2 жыл бұрын

Indians were fighting each other long before Europeans arrived.

@panthermartin7784 Жыл бұрын

Still are

@karlgharst5420 Жыл бұрын

The murder rate is always higher on the 'res...

@dntsaycant1234 2 жыл бұрын

I'm certain other's caught this, but the narrator's humorous remark about "Death Wind" not being "Flatulence" was very quick-witted. Enjoyed the video very much.

@datesanddeadguys 2 жыл бұрын

Validation! Thank you. I probably debated myself for 20 minutes on if I should cut that joke.

@dntsaycant1234 2 жыл бұрын

@@datesanddeadguys Well, I'm delighted you put it in. I chuckled, when I heard the witty remark. As an aside, I always thought Lewis Wetzel was a made-up character of Zane Grey. I read most all of Grey's books, when I was a kid back in the early 50s, and Wetzel became a main character in my psyche. I'm ashamed to say, little did I know he was a real person until my adulthood. He was quite a man. As other commenters have posted, we should view his life in the era he lived in, which was a very harsh and brutal times, and had to be to survive. Be that as it may, again, I enjoyed what you composed as to Wetzel's life and history. Best regards, Ernie

@karlgharst5420 Жыл бұрын

@@datesanddeadguys The list of Indian massacres of White settlers is endless... the fact that 25% of the American West is Indian territory, as well as half of Canada and all of Central and South America is a testament to the kindness that the settlers brought with them. Wetzel among them!

@sabas7549 11 ай бұрын

You sir, gained a subscriber.

@moncorp1 7 ай бұрын

Not the whole story. The disputed treaty of Fort Stanwix led many settlers to believe that it was okay to settle where the Wetzels did. Then Wetzel saw his father and a brother killed by indians which directly led to his hatred of indians. His capture was just a small part of what developed his hatred. Different time and place. There was no love lost on either side in those days.

@brianbrown9700 Жыл бұрын

Loved the story

@bch5513 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for mentioning looking at this from the perspective of the lens of THAT time. The HUGE problem with today is so many of the WOKE people are trying to view and REWRITE history through a lens of today.

@tylerdurden4392 Жыл бұрын

Wetzel is a hero! Good job defending yourself, mister :)

@deadhorse1391 2 жыл бұрын

Lewis Wetzel was , and is an American Hero who spent his life protecting his people

@redwolfmedia1276 2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@charlesmaximus9161 2 жыл бұрын

Amen. 🙏

@cs.slots. 2 жыл бұрын

He was like my great x12 uncle or something on my mom's side

@chrismonahan1706 2 жыл бұрын

He and many others were the beginning of special ops.

@daghostxxx1797 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds more like he was a murdering bastard ?

@kevinmontplaisir1098 11 ай бұрын

Thank You - I enjoy your style of telling these stories - I have just recently stumbled on your channel & finding it usefull in creating music - No words, but the music behind them - sort of translating feelings with sound - Anyway,- Your work inspires me to create new approaches twards my work - I have a few things on my channel if your intrested, feel free to do so - My channel is just for me to help remember ideas recorded with my phone ,- so not to be taken too seriously! Thank You & Good Day Sir -

@dutchchessbetterthancheese1239 2 жыл бұрын

Life was then so much more peaceful than today. Today on average there is more than 1 massshooting each day, defined as where 3 people or more are killed in one shooting.

@diannemackay8570 2 жыл бұрын

Always will have evil acts. Some between organized communities and some within their own communities. Mankind has never had peace.

@cd5433 Жыл бұрын

Stupid

@samwell707 Жыл бұрын

Where do you find your pictures

@tubetonez 5 ай бұрын

I recommend Zane Grey’s Betty Zane series for insight into the early frontier life. Call him a murderer if you will, but his family was murdered first. The broken treaties and diseases killed far more native Americans than these early bordermen did.

@elliottd296 Жыл бұрын

We needed more Lewis Wetzels back then lol,Regards Peter DeLorey Canada

@healdiseasenow Жыл бұрын

Having Louis wetzel around was like having a pack of quiet wild wild dogs protecting the

@lboiv001 10 ай бұрын

Really good channel, but you need to start using a good condenser mic.

@chrismonahan1706 2 жыл бұрын

Simon Kenton also known as Simon Butler was a hated enemy of the Shawnee. He was as good at the Indian game as they were. Wetzel got good but Kenton was probably the best.

@datesanddeadguys 2 жыл бұрын

I have a long reading list but I’ll get to Kenton at some point.

@Mottleydude1 2 жыл бұрын

@@datesanddeadguys Allen Eckert’s narrative The Frontiersman is a great read and biopic on Kenton though tad bit of hyperbole. But the Lyman Copeland Draper manuscripts are a better source of information on Simon Kenton as he has a whole section of his manuscripts dedicated to Kenton.

@datesanddeadguys 2 жыл бұрын

I have to suspect with the frontiersman that some myth comes into play. I’m the Wetzel video there are 3-4 stories I left out because I just don’t think it’s likely they really happened. I have thought about addressing them in a different video talking about them as likely myths.

@TheJaminator128 Жыл бұрын

These are the people in our history we need to celebrate and cherish.

@hamishford5486 Жыл бұрын

More volume PLEASE.

@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын

Sorry, didn’t have a mic when I made this one.

@RMScott Жыл бұрын

Good stuff but you need to adjust your volume levels

@bohoterpy6866 Жыл бұрын

“No catch that man, his gun is always loaded”. 😂😂😂

@thelastgreyhawk2161 11 ай бұрын

At some point he carved into a rock saying "Lewis Whetzel born in Vir Feb the 21 1752" and the message "Enjoy the peace which I have prepared for you"

@user-yx9bs8zo5q Ай бұрын

You can indeed survive a scalping. Its been done. Penelope Stout is one example.

@randalliveyivey136 Жыл бұрын

Please do a video on one of my 5th great grandmothers, MARGARET SLEETH HACKER a scalping survivor. Her story is found in Hacker's Creek Scalping. The story start to finish should fill a 10 minute video if you don't get bogged down in details. Respectfully, Randall Ivey.

@Oldclimber1 Жыл бұрын

Well, all of the "guilt" does depend upon "who was there first". But does that determine how much of vast areas you claim, but that you can not hold, or even demonstrate to hold ? Zane Grey featured him prominently in a few of his novels, wherein he was depicted as heroic in his actions and intentions. I tend to agree.

@teddyhaynes9876 11 ай бұрын

Land has been conquered all throughout time.