Dave Filoni bends time and space (twice) just to save Ahsoka? (Let's Talk Some Star Wars)

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@captaindc3889
@captaindc3889 10 ай бұрын
Dave himself hasn’t mastered the Jedi art of letting go…
@marsoelflaco5722
@marsoelflaco5722 10 ай бұрын
He also has a creepy attachment to Ahsoka.🤔
@rector0455
@rector0455 10 ай бұрын
🍊 🐺 🤠
@SonOfaShepherd170
@SonOfaShepherd170 10 ай бұрын
Is Dave Darth Plagueis now lol
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 10 ай бұрын
Exactly. Say what you will about Lucas, but at least he always knew when a character needed to be killed off.
@hellfish2309
@hellfish2309 10 ай бұрын
Or stepping up his writing… or learning how to block or stage a shot that isn’t combat… or wtf screentime efficiency is
@mrcat3493
@mrcat3493 10 ай бұрын
Adding time travel to Star Wars just opens up a whole can of worms and will get really messy really quick
@donaldsmith8648
@donaldsmith8648 10 ай бұрын
That's spot on I totally agree with you
@69deputy
@69deputy 10 ай бұрын
The sequel trilogy did a great job of messing up Star Wars!
@mark_lifts_things
@mark_lifts_things 10 ай бұрын
Yes
@CantankerousDave
@CantankerousDave 10 ай бұрын
If one of the worms in the can undoes the events of the sequel trilogy, I’m okay with it.
@iggi3985
@iggi3985 10 ай бұрын
Let’s not also forget that lightsabers are now essentially non lethal weapons
@DZatheus
@DZatheus 10 ай бұрын
I mean, it's undeniable. Whether it works for the story depends on your taste. I think she should have died in Twilight of the Apprentice after giving Vader his toughest fight since Obi Wan.
@seriousnesstv7902
@seriousnesstv7902 10 ай бұрын
There is no justification for bringing her back after that, maul, was fleshed out and was given an end.
@funnelvortex7722
@funnelvortex7722 10 ай бұрын
I mean the episode is literally called TWILIGHT of the Apprentice, the title literally implies her death, but she survives somehow...
@danielvitale7788
@danielvitale7788 10 ай бұрын
Exactly. Theatrically speaking, that would have cemented the whole vibe that Anakin is gone until Luke comes around. That's partially why I dont like Ashoka, because it feels like she's just there for Dave to throw in a major Deus Ex Machina
@muchanadziko6378
@muchanadziko6378 10 ай бұрын
@@seriousnesstv7902there is no justification for Ashoka being the „thoughest fight he had since Obi-Wan” either
@DZatheus
@DZatheus 10 ай бұрын
@@muchanadziko6378She was a really good fighter in CW, even bested Maul once. I'm honestly not that knowledgeable about the other Jedi Vader hunted to think he's had any other significant fight after Mustafar.
@bruhicusmomentus3060
@bruhicusmomentus3060 10 ай бұрын
I don't think I have so much faith in Filoni anymore, I didn't have much to begin with but now I'm convinced that Clones Wars' writing was good because of Dave being *a part* of a writing room instead being in charge of everything. Main reason I think a lot of people champion him is because the fanbase still hasn't recovered from the impact of Jar Jar Abrams and Rian Johnson's lightsaber measuring contest.
@bluehero-96
@bluehero-96 10 ай бұрын
Your feelings are mostly correct, except TCW's writing was never really good to begin with.
@jfbsp1893
@jfbsp1893 10 ай бұрын
After Bad Batch season 2 finale? Meh, I have faith in him.
@armedraptor5114
@armedraptor5114 10 ай бұрын
@@jfbsp1893 He didn't write that which is the point. He's an exec producer on bad batch not a main writer. I think favreau and filoni need to step back a little, and take a role like that. They can guide the universe in a right direction but considering how many shows they've been stretched on, it's no wonder their writing has nosedived (when it wasn't really Andor level either). Let more people come in as writers and directors to execute their vision, like with Clone Wars/Rebels and Bad Batch, Filoni didn't singlehandedly write all of those.
@twitchingbuck7440
@twitchingbuck7440 10 ай бұрын
TCW (which was inconsistent at best) was carried by other better writers like Katie Lucas, and also by George pushing Filoni to be more ambitious with the storytelling( size of the cast, variety of locations, etc). Left to his own devices, Filoni has become a lazy complacent hack.
@justinarzola4584
@justinarzola4584 10 ай бұрын
Clone wars was as good as it was due to George.
@joshuakolton9955
@joshuakolton9955 10 ай бұрын
I love how everyone hates the WBW but nobody talks about Dave’s major problem with retconning everything including his own stuff.
@scottb3034
@scottb3034 9 ай бұрын
I talk about it all the time and people treat me like i am on crazy pills.
@MedalionDS9
@MedalionDS9 10 ай бұрын
I kinda have this really bad feeling that to explain away "Somehow Palpatine Returned" is that Palpatine fell into the World Between Worlds... thanks Dave../s
@codymacaulay1435
@codymacaulay1435 10 ай бұрын
Isn’t Papa Palps a clone in TRoS?
@MedalionDS9
@MedalionDS9 10 ай бұрын
Somehow plotholes returned @@codymacaulay1435
@kingofhearts3185
@kingofhearts3185 10 ай бұрын
​@@codymacaulay1435Probably, but that movie is too shit to explain it properly.
@bluemountain4181
@bluemountain4181 10 ай бұрын
@@codymacaulay1435 Yes I think they used the novelisation or a comic to explain that since the movie didn't. But there's no reason it can't be retconned
@matt.ramosss
@matt.ramosss 10 ай бұрын
that’s not Dave’s fault lmfao in his own show he explicitly shows that Palpatine was not able to gain access to the WBW, and they already implied it was a clone or some dumb shit anyway
@dereklopez9060
@dereklopez9060 10 ай бұрын
It's honestly coming to the point where the WBW is only there to save Ahsoka and nothing else. It just makes death in Star Wars less tragic. And it also diminishes one of the core themes of Star Wars about making choices.
@mpnuorva
@mpnuorva 10 ай бұрын
So we're ignoring Ezra's character arc, and what WBW was actually used for the only time it's more than a visual reference.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 10 ай бұрын
@dereklopez9060 Someone’s not watched how Rebels did it. Same with the other 33 people.
@dicksoncider5099
@dicksoncider5099 10 ай бұрын
Spot on. The cope is unreal. It’s what it’s being used for, period
@keegobricks9734
@keegobricks9734 10 ай бұрын
lol, no one dies in star wars anyways. They didn't need to invent something to fix that, they just do what they always do "ah, he survived, because 12 year olds got sad and we need the toy sales".
@speedycerviche2380
@speedycerviche2380 10 ай бұрын
​@@mpnuorvayes. It all led to save Ashoka.
@marsoelflaco5722
@marsoelflaco5722 10 ай бұрын
Somehow Palpatine has returned. Somehow Kathleen Kennedy is still employed and Dave Feloni is the "savior" of Star Wars.🤷🏽‍♀️
@benrichards1694
@benrichards1694 10 ай бұрын
Filoni has done wonders for Star Wars. Without him, we'd be getting more Deborah chow shit like Kenobi. Is everything he makes good? Absolutely not. Should we discredit everything he's done for the franchise since Lucas left and the EU was gutted? Absolutely not
@Nevad25
@Nevad25 10 ай бұрын
@@benrichards1694 Filoni is a hack.
@benrichards1694
@benrichards1694 10 ай бұрын
@@Nevad25 May I ask how?
@Nevad25
@Nevad25 10 ай бұрын
@@benrichards1694 Created an apprentice for Anakin Skywalker that he supposedly had between Episode 2 and 3 while she's never mentioned in the movies and that he's clearly shown to be too immature to have one and barely trusted by anyone in the Jedi Council. He brought back Darth Maul, the fucking Sith Lord that died in the Phantom Menace. He made Ahsoka survive a fight against Darth Vader through Time travel. He made Ahsoka alive during the original trilogy. The whole Mortis act. He made Dooku, Obi-Wan and Anakin fight every friday. Anakin in his cartoon feels and acts nothing like his movie counterpart. Jedis wearing clone armors. I could go on for days.
@jfbsp1893
@jfbsp1893 10 ай бұрын
@@Nevad25 ​​⁠​⁠ George wanted Ahsoka to be Anakin’s Padawan, Dave actually wanted her to be the apprentice of Ploo Kon. George also came with the return of maul first, actually he would be the main villain of his Sequel Trilogy that we will never see. And Jedi using clone armor was a concept not invented by Dave, even in the 2003’s Clone Wars it was a thing. And how it is a bad idea? About characterization… George said “ok” to all that was made in CW, so yeah, it was part of his vision.
@MedalionDS9
@MedalionDS9 10 ай бұрын
Just because you invented a crazy world breaking concept, doesn't mean you should keep using it to legitimize it
@speedycerviche2380
@speedycerviche2380 10 ай бұрын
He didn't invent it. Its used in 40k and Steven Erickson has a version..
@mark_lifts_things
@mark_lifts_things 10 ай бұрын
Yes
@fffx2
@fffx2 10 ай бұрын
​@@speedycerviche2380Given how the Warp is known to work, it actually fits 40k better
@toddblankenship7164
@toddblankenship7164 10 ай бұрын
how has he broken anything? starwars has force ghosts dude and always has, they literally glow there has to be a story there LOL. I'm loving the show a ton
@MedalionDS9
@MedalionDS9 10 ай бұрын
That's great logic... because crazy shit here, means ANYTHING goes no limits, no logic... @@toddblankenship7164
@Sousabird
@Sousabird 10 ай бұрын
Ashoka is getting into comic book levels of death not mattering.
@sensey07
@sensey07 10 ай бұрын
So stop watching already .... pathetic
@mikenayers5981
@mikenayers5981 10 ай бұрын
I’m still of the mind that it should’ve just been used for observation, and that the people watching couldn’t interact with what they’re seeing. Being witness to events from the past and future, could be valuable even if it can’t be altered. Instead, it’s out right time travel, and Ezra was able to drag Ahsoka into a new dimension. Now the fans feel like they’re being mocked, as a lot of us want the Sequels done away with, while the tools to do so exist in the canon.
@CedarHunt
@CedarHunt 10 ай бұрын
At this point Dave might as well make Ahsoka the main character of the franchise. Goodness knows we don't get anything meaningful about Luke or Han or Leia anymore. Then he can promote her to godhood and kill the franchise once and for all.
@DS9TREK
@DS9TREK 10 ай бұрын
I blame higher ups at LucasFilm for hating on Luke which stops us seeing more of him.
@selendile030
@selendile030 10 ай бұрын
It’s so utterly unbelievable at this point that Luke isn’t prominently featured in the events that are transpiring. It’s so silly.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 10 ай бұрын
I think making Ahsoka the main character is exactly the endgame. And there are enough fanboys to support such a thing. Between Kennedy and Filoni, Luke Skywalker's been consigned to the dustbin of history.
@bluehero-96
@bluehero-96 10 ай бұрын
I get that Luke can't be everywhere at once, but a Jedi has to Jedi, or what's the point of rebuilding the order?
@sensey07
@sensey07 10 ай бұрын
The butthurt is strong with this one, master ...
@Wade_Tyler
@Wade_Tyler 10 ай бұрын
Hey don’t forget about Ahsoka dying in TCW and then getting resurrected Rise of Skywalker style in that mortis arc.
@baki484
@baki484 10 ай бұрын
It was the first of many.
@DrD00M3
@DrD00M3 10 ай бұрын
It's true he's bending the Universe to keep her alive and making her more important than padme to anakins fall which is nonsense
@esteban20969564
@esteban20969564 10 ай бұрын
That's not true at all... anakin fall had many reasons building up upon the years of the CLone wars... being As narrow minded to Say it was for Padme or that Padme had the most impact is speaking out of ignorance or just ignoring everything else to "make a point"
@Wade_Tyler
@Wade_Tyler 10 ай бұрын
Agreed! I hate TCW redeemed the prequels bullshit argument!
@_PK777_
@_PK777_ 10 ай бұрын
@esteban20969564 it was always padme, and hate for the jedi dogma. Until dave fisted in his self insert turned orange fetish
@mistersparkles1842
@mistersparkles1842 10 ай бұрын
​@@Wade_Tylerthey didnt- its a kids show that kids watched, they grew up and now they defend them. TCW and Rebels are lore destroyers that do not harmonize with the OT or the PT
@RoboticPope
@RoboticPope 10 ай бұрын
Before Filoni, The PT had the EU novels and Dark Horse's excellent Clone Wars comics. They told the stories of Anakin and Kenobi along with the other jedi and some were even referenced in the PT movies. Why a children's cartoon stories gained precedence over novels written by professional writers I will never understand. The Clone Wars cartoon certainly did not "redeem" the PT . If anything, the retcons it forced did the opposite.
@thesp1r1tdragon55
@thesp1r1tdragon55 10 ай бұрын
I really don't think the problem with the WBW is just that the writers could potentially use it wrong in the future. I think the simple fact that timetravel is possible in SW creates a whole bunch of plotholes. Like for example why doesn't Ahsoka go back in time and tries to prevent order 66? Since portals appear to events that are personally meaningfull to you she could probably go back to the moment where she turned her back on the Jedi Order and Anakin. And she probably has some personally significant moments with other jedi as well who she could warn about the fall of the jedi. It's kind of like the Holdo Maneuver: even if it's never used in future content again we still need to ask ourselves "Why aren't the characters using it? Are they stupid?".
@jamesarnold7253
@jamesarnold7253 10 ай бұрын
That's like saying when they brought in midichlorians why didn't the emperor just have all kids checked at school age for potential force sensitivity. Or at least the imperial military. He definitely has the power to do that Often star wars brings in new things that make you wonder why no one has done it before or since
@mattgibala6801
@mattgibala6801 10 ай бұрын
Is this a r/Batmanarkham reference?
@thesp1r1tdragon55
@thesp1r1tdragon55 10 ай бұрын
@@jamesarnold7253 Well sure, in a long running story written by multiple people there will probably be some minor inconsistencies. But they're rarely as big as "undo literally the entire plot".
@cjmk5923
@cjmk5923 10 ай бұрын
@@jamesarnold7253 Why would The Emperor do that? As the Emperor it is better letting Force sensitive kids not be found.
@jamesarnold7253
@jamesarnold7253 10 ай бұрын
@@cjmk5923 to recruit or kill them? Like Leia is one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy according to midichlorians and isn't half robot. She'd make a way better apprentice than Vader
@farwoodfarm9296
@farwoodfarm9296 10 ай бұрын
"SOMEHOW AHSOKA SURVIVED......AGAIN" WBW is an interesting concept. But I fear Dave Baloni is going to continue to use it to keep people alive and or go back in time. I remember when Ezra saved Ahsoka in Rebel's thinking "SERIOUSLY?" what a fitting end that would have been for Ahsoka, she would have realized just how dark her former Master had become. It would also have really cemented with the fans what a feat it was for Luke to sense some good still in Vader/Anakin. Its another thing that diminishes the roll and arc of the Skywalkers. I never believed that Dave has Georges best interests at heart, he just wants to make a name for himself. This franchise is going to end up just like the MCU constant multiverse randomness, no one will die etc. Remember Dave Filoni loved TLJ
@usveteran9893
@usveteran9893 10 ай бұрын
Ahsoka is Dave Filoni's beloved created character, she will live forever and will soon be a Mary Sue.
@OkMakuTree
@OkMakuTree 10 ай бұрын
Dave Baloni lmao 😂
@kevinfisher5492
@kevinfisher5492 10 ай бұрын
Didn't he also say he saw Rian as a "mentor" as well?
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 10 ай бұрын
@@kevinfisher5492 Dave Baloni and Ruin Johnson were made for each other.
@bravo902
@bravo902 10 ай бұрын
Highly agreed theres no way shape or form Ahsoka should have survived to Vader it makes no sense to keep her alive other than Baloni wanting his waifu to survive
@farwoodfarm9296
@farwoodfarm9296 10 ай бұрын
Another thing. Didn’t Ahsoka use Psychometry (Cal Kestis ability something he was told was very rare) in order to figure out that Sabine was still alive? Then she used Ezra’s Cesar Milan Animal whisperer power on the Purgil? She’s totally already been Mary sued. Ohh Balogna you’ll always been the cheapest of meats
@mrthekiller2122
@mrthekiller2122 10 ай бұрын
it has been some time where i watched star wars so i don't remember everything by point and feel free to correct me if i am wrong or writing utter bs Sorry in advance I read people say that ashoka died 2 times, but didn't she die a third time now? Wasn't there an episode in the clone wars where she got killed by the son of mortis but got revived by the daughter that follows her all the time? At least i think i remember seeing the bird (which is the daughter I think) on the episode where she got pulled out by ezra. I don't remember much, so i can't say a lot on how ezra pulled her out, but wasn't it quite troublesome and only some one time use artifact or something? The other time she got there was by literally or almost dying again. atleast i remember seeing the WBW two times only I hope they will explain that some time on how it actually works but i can see the trouble there with the whole concept... But through all that I would think that the daughter makes things possible that weren't beofre. So i wouldn't be mad if she is super strong with the force with the daughter on her side. On top of that we've seen multiple times now that jedi communicate with animals and even if not that strong, it is not that far off if you saw the baby ashoka episode of tales of the jedi, right? I am not saying it's perfect writing on how we know star wars, it's just in my opinion i see that most of the stuff has some justified ground (even tho sometimes weird like the mortis episode) in her story arc which has been shown on screen unlike rey for example...
@baki484
@baki484 9 ай бұрын
The only characters known for psychometry in canon is Cal, Luke (legends) and Quinlan to my knowledge and it's an ability you're born it cannot be learned same goes shatterpoint. But hey anything for Ahsoka right? The beast trick ability can be learned so that's fine.
@B.matrix
@B.matrix 10 ай бұрын
Like bacta, Force healing, a steady stream of new Force skills and more and more powerful weapons and other technologies, the easy outs can undermine your sense of the stakes. At no point in episode five was I the slightest bit worried Ahsoka might not survive. I miss suspense.
@baki484
@baki484 10 ай бұрын
Why would anyone worry about ahsoka at this point? She's immortal at this point.
@mrcat3493
@mrcat3493 10 ай бұрын
Ahsoka is space Jesus
@B.matrix
@B.matrix 10 ай бұрын
I’m sure she’ll get a hero’s death eventually.
@sensey07
@sensey07 10 ай бұрын
Well, duh. It was only episode 5 - there were three to go. What's the name of the series?
@TroySpace
@TroySpace 10 ай бұрын
​@@sensey07it's certainly not JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
@marknovak6498
@marknovak6498 10 ай бұрын
It drives me crazy as this place means you can easily go 1000s of years in future and past.
@marsoelflaco5722
@marsoelflaco5722 10 ай бұрын
It devalues everything.
@Engulfedorb06
@Engulfedorb06 10 ай бұрын
I’d personally feel very surprised if Disney decides to use the WBW to retcon or “erase” the sequel trilogy. I think it’d be too confusing for the casual fan, they just think that the sequels are the main continuation of these characters. Let’s not forget also that those films did make billions, and that Rey has her own movie on the way.
@mpnuorva
@mpnuorva 10 ай бұрын
The films grossed billions. Netted not so much.
@usveteran9893
@usveteran9893 10 ай бұрын
Face the facts, if you have seen the sequel trilogy it cannot be erased.
@noneyabizness6094
@noneyabizness6094 10 ай бұрын
​@@mpnuorva I really really doubt the Rey movie sees the light of day.
@ajclements4627
@ajclements4627 10 ай бұрын
@@noneyabizness6094 I hope you’re right, but I’m not watching it if it is a sure thing.
@bluehero-96
@bluehero-96 10 ай бұрын
Rey getting her own movie? As a wise ogre once said, "Like that'll ever happen. What a load'a-" *Flush.*
@noneyabizness6094
@noneyabizness6094 10 ай бұрын
I forgot how bad Yoda looks in Rebels.... the animation quality of that show should have been the red flag for what was to come
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 10 ай бұрын
He looks like the cave troll from Lord of the Rings.
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 10 ай бұрын
The Clone Wars animation is soooo much better.
@gator7082
@gator7082 10 ай бұрын
I miss the "rules" of the first six movies. You didn't always know what they were, but you always had a feeling there were rules or at least limits. Even when they changed it up a little in the Clone Wars it was reasonable. With Darth Maul he at least earned his return, the dude was literally insane living off of rats in a garbage dump and definitely had an uphill battle to return to form. It is a fantasy world and not science fiction after all. I was originally ok with Ahsoka in Rebels, but as we continue on Disney Star Wars really feels to closer to the MCU and not the 6 original movies. Two things that have ruined it for all others is the MCU and Game of Thrones. We don't need super powers X 10 or everything grim dark and subverting our expectations.
@jimdaniels7531
@jimdaniels7531 10 ай бұрын
Agreed. Rules keep things grounded. Keep breaking those rules and we end up with a crazy monstrosity like Rise of Skywalker. The fact that Maul survived was cheesy, but at least they used it to give an interesting story to a character that died too early.
@Nevad25
@Nevad25 10 ай бұрын
Maul surviving was fucking dumb. It wasn't justified.
@mazkeraid4039
@mazkeraid4039 10 ай бұрын
Maul cannot pull himself together at the end because he stays dead in the Prequels. Plus, you do not want to have Maul in the Clone Wars when you literally have a bulkier version of the guy in red and black paintings.
@sensey07
@sensey07 10 ай бұрын
You want sci-fi? Stick to Star Trek
@RudySpino
@RudySpino 10 ай бұрын
I just hope Thrawn becomes an actual major part of the show starting next episode, and isn't just in the last episode for about 10 minutes total
@jesseblackmore8338
@jesseblackmore8338 10 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be completely shocked because maybe he thinks it would be a way to get people to return for more of it. It would be a waste though and probably another nail in the Disney Star Wars coffin for some people.
@_PK777_
@_PK777_ 10 ай бұрын
They're defo not going to include eli vanto, ar'alani, or any other chiss like che'ri in this show... Just "thrawn kinda bad but not really, ahsoka good"
@ccayco
@ccayco 10 ай бұрын
Bold of you to assume it's going to be anything more than him turning around to the camera at the very end of the last episode. Imagine if the trailer shot is all there is. haha
@jesseblackmore8338
@jesseblackmore8338 10 ай бұрын
@@ccayco There would be some very angry videos about it on YT.
@mrcat3493
@mrcat3493 10 ай бұрын
I fully prepared that he only makes a brief appearance; he’s being saved for the movie.
@MedalionDS9
@MedalionDS9 10 ай бұрын
Ahsoka is the Batman of Star Wars at this point... plot armor is their hidden superpower
@_eggers
@_eggers 10 ай бұрын
Except if Batman died after drinking green titty milk & was replaced by one of the Wonder Twins from the Superfriends cartoon
@sensey07
@sensey07 10 ай бұрын
See if you can write something better ... until then.... later fa u
@markz5353
@markz5353 10 ай бұрын
The world between worlds would be fine if it was developed and had stories around it. Like Thrawn trying to get access to it to bring back the emperor or something. But it’s been used only to save ahsoka twice, and no other story has explored it or developed it. She has “died” 3 times now only to be rescued twice by the world between worlds. The minute it was used in rebels i knew it would never be a main story point and would be left vague so it’s not questioned
@sensey07
@sensey07 10 ай бұрын
Why would Thrawn want to bring back the Emperor? He'd rather be one instead.
@tarynnM
@tarynnM 10 ай бұрын
Hey Thor, I know this probably wouldn't be the most popular theory but there is a way that the WbW is exactly the way it appears but doesn't involve time travel. What if Ezra didn't actually pull Ahsoka out of the past and instead the force provided him a vision that provided a lesson he needed to learn. There is also the possibility that Palpatine (or any other dark side user) can gain access only if the flow of time is disrupted. Palpatine was able to breach the veil only once Ahsoka was pulled out of time and was denied entry once she returned to her own time. Palpatine likewise tried to get Ezra to rejoin his parents in the past, which would disrupt the flow of time and would allow palps access again. I think it is also important to point out we have seen the WbW at least three times now, and only once did the time traveling portals appear.
@tobywareing6435
@tobywareing6435 10 ай бұрын
Starting to get fed up of seeing Ahsoka in so many shows now. That's why I'm not watching the Ahsoka show and from a few clips I've seen on youtube it looks terrible anyway. Edit: I also wasn't really interested in seeing this show anyway after how bad the Mandalorian season 3 turned out and the previous shows not being the best. I've just lost all hope for Live action Star Wars shows now. Only the Bad batch season 3 and maybe Andor season 2 interest me and out of the how ever many they have planned plus movies only 2 I have interest in is nothing.
@ajclements4627
@ajclements4627 10 ай бұрын
It’s a waste of time honestly.
@bravo902
@bravo902 10 ай бұрын
She seems to get inserted into anything and everything quite annoying
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 10 ай бұрын
@tobywarring6435 Your apathy clouds your judgment which is as clumsy as it is stupid.
@TheVampirePriest
@TheVampirePriest 10 ай бұрын
I am concerned about how they’re going to use this in future Star Wars. Everything is pointing to the sequel trilogy. I believe they are going to institute world between worlds as how Ray and Kylo able to transport light sabers to one another in the rise of Skywalker.
@noneyabizness6094
@noneyabizness6094 10 ай бұрын
Yup, and the apathy it will induce will be astounding
@mpnuorva
@mpnuorva 10 ай бұрын
The Expanded Universe writers have had almost four years to make that connection. I don't think they are going to.
@raiderlove5923
@raiderlove5923 10 ай бұрын
I'm feeling that the Worlds Between Worlds kind of takes away the reality that death is a finality. That characters can just reach into it and pull out loved ones who are killed only to save them.
@fightingillini25
@fightingillini25 10 ай бұрын
If this is true, then other things would change. They explain this in the Rebels episode. They couldn't save Kanan or else Ezra, Hera and Sabine would ALL die. Ahsoka was always pulled out (due to continual time), which is why we see her walking way at the end of S2 and not just pulled out in S4. I've always interpreted to be like Game of Thrones time travel where if Bran went back and changed something, it's because he always changed it. Or he knew what was going to happen
@baki484
@baki484 9 ай бұрын
The world between worlds is for those who don't have the balls to kill off their characters *cough* Dave Filoni
@flubbydugnut9581
@flubbydugnut9581 10 ай бұрын
I am in the camp that would love to see the sequels retconned so we can get a propper sequel trilogy like the Thrawn one. I also agree that using the WBW would be a problem for future use of retconning. I think there's a solution. The WBW is used to retcon the sequels and set things right, but in doing so, the WBW becomes inaccessible from then on. Maybe the whole idea of changing the past so much just doesn't bode well with the Force so the WBW closes or something, idk, just spitballing here. Use it to retcon them and get rid of it in the process. Win win.
@thomascrawford3861
@thomascrawford3861 10 ай бұрын
The problem Filoni created for himself in Star Wars Rebels was that he wanted Ashoka and Vader to have to their reunion/fight, have a cool cliffhanger, and have Ahsoka survive. But he *needed* to show that Vader won and not have it be disputable at the same time. People call him an Ahsoka fanboy now but if he had his treasured character fight the most iconic villain in fiction and have the ending ambiguous, it would be a lot worse. In the end the WBW was a cool and clever way to fix those problems, wrap up Ezra and Kanan's story, and give a reason for the Empire's obsession with Lothal. It worked excellently in Rebels and I firmly believe that's where it should be left. Causes to many headaches once you start bringing it back.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 10 ай бұрын
Except so far it didn’t mess with anything.
@mrcat3493
@mrcat3493 10 ай бұрын
I would argue that what the force can, and cannot do is already on the slippery slope. We have things like “force echoes “where a character can find out everything they need to happen by looking at an object, and now we have force healing the list of what can happen is getting very lengthy and more silly stuff is just being added, being able to physically pass objects to each other, and to have a four Skype call where your inhabiting the space of the person you’re talking to are all additions that are terrible
@ajclements4627
@ajclements4627 10 ай бұрын
Basically, if this continues then all force users will essentially be superheroes.
@marsoelflaco5722
@marsoelflaco5722 10 ай бұрын
The rebellion was essentially a failure, ineffective light sabers, it seems like "everyone" survived order 66 and "everyone" is force sensitive. Nothing matters in Star Wars anymore.🤷🏽‍♀️
@mrcat3493
@mrcat3493 10 ай бұрын
@@ajclements4627 or worse; gods.
@esteban20969564
@esteban20969564 10 ай бұрын
Have You ever play the SW games like Jedi academy or force unleashed? There are a Lot of BS abilities in those games and I didn't catch anyone complaining about it in those games when they we're "semi" canon at that time or just iterations of the story...
@ajclements4627
@ajclements4627 10 ай бұрын
@@esteban20969564 I know a lot of people that thought Jedi/Sith abilities were getting out of hand in the EU novels.
@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho
@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho 10 ай бұрын
So, I have an original character named Carouselle who once existed independently from anything and was later integrated into my current animated series concept. While I dearly love her, I’m taking great precautions to make sure she doesn’t take over the show’s narrative or become flanderized because of how I view her. Filoni’s handling of Ahsoka in the last few years is exactly why I’m being so cautious with Carouselle.
@Kris-Kash
@Kris-Kash 10 ай бұрын
World between worlds seems as if it was created to save Ahsoka, and won't be used to save Star Wars from the sequels. Weak. I've lost all faith in Faloni and I'm not watching this series. I loved Rebels but world between worlds being way too much of a stretch even back then. Time travel should not be in Star Wars. Why even have her face Vader if you wanted to keep her?
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 10 ай бұрын
Your whole comment is hypocrisy at its worst.
@bluehero-96
@bluehero-96 10 ай бұрын
​@@achaudhari101 Care to show your math on that?
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 10 ай бұрын
@@bluehero-96 He's hoping the show would retcon the Sequels which didn't happen and now loses all faith in Filoni over it? God people are retarded sometimes.
@seriousnesstv7902
@seriousnesstv7902 10 ай бұрын
I don’t care how much you love Disney Star Wars, one thing that you cannot deny is that Star Wars characters never die anymore.
@mrcat3493
@mrcat3493 10 ай бұрын
Even the awfully written ones.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 10 ай бұрын
That makes no sense what you wrote.
@jamiecollins7915
@jamiecollins7915 10 ай бұрын
wasn't there a what if star wars comic series like with yoda meeting palpatine on coruscant by landing the death star on it as one issue already?
@joshualastine7666
@joshualastine7666 10 ай бұрын
I like the idea of a force nexus where force sensitive beings cam converse and be shown visions of what that force user needs to see. Like Ahsoka getting her final lesson.
@SonOfaShepherd170
@SonOfaShepherd170 10 ай бұрын
Watch Dave give her a more impactful death than most of the original trilogy characters
@mortagon1451
@mortagon1451 10 ай бұрын
I keep getting the feeling that this show is setting up her death down the line. Probably in the Feloni movie.
@mpnuorva
@mpnuorva 10 ай бұрын
That's not exactly a tall bar to cross you know. All it will take is not dropping the ball.
@SonOfaShepherd170
@SonOfaShepherd170 10 ай бұрын
​@@mpnuorva oh yeah, I kinda forgot about the sequels, well you know for sure no one but him is going to kill her off
@seriousnesstv7902
@seriousnesstv7902 10 ай бұрын
When her actual death comes it will mean nothing because then it’s like the boy who cries wolf. Oh look she died, wait no she died again, nah jk this is the real death. “Ok”
@Noone-qs5jt
@Noone-qs5jt 10 ай бұрын
If she never dies, you throw a tantrum. If she dies, you throw a tantrum. Keep being the pest that infects the Fandom. Shes been around for 15 years. She deserves to have a glorious exit
@Jaykurosakii
@Jaykurosakii 10 ай бұрын
She wasn’t even killed by Baylan Skoll and she wouldn’t have died from water. Baylan only was able to push her off because she - force pushed his apprentice which left a opening and was stunned / dazed after picking up the map cube
@xaytre-marc3309
@xaytre-marc3309 10 ай бұрын
I don’t like how Ashoka’s supposed to be the most powerful/balanced Jedi and just sort of gives up and dies without trying, pretty weird that she basically just let herself get flung of the cliff and Baylan did it with about as much effort as wiping eraser shavings off a desk. The choreography just doesn’t sell the stakes and seriousness they’re trying to portray in the story, I think if the combat was more believable and consistent then it would be alright for her to keep dying left and right but it kinda just feels like a clunky and low effort way to connect to certain plot points Dave wants like Ashoka visiting the WBW. Don’t get me wrong I like the show but even in the best SW content there seems to be lots of inconsistencies and weak plot progressions to get to the few cool moments that were actually fleshed out in the series.
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl 10 ай бұрын
It would help if it was actually defined what the World within Worlds actually IS. It's confusing as hell for those not inclined to theorise to the nth degree and even then it's still confusing. It's just dropped in as undefined plot convenience, this is bad storytelling.
@aceofspades604
@aceofspades604 10 ай бұрын
I'd like to use the world between worlds to warn George Lucas against selling to Disney.
@NoahWhan1
@NoahWhan1 10 ай бұрын
This is the first time the results of your polls upset me.
@jimdaniels7531
@jimdaniels7531 10 ай бұрын
Not that crazy about the WBW. Too much of an easy out for lazy writers. Can we get back to the main plot involving Thrawn and Ezra please?
@Princess_Feona
@Princess_Feona 10 ай бұрын
But he’s SO brilliant, everybody says so. This is the best Star War ever, right?
@insomniezombie4210
@insomniezombie4210 10 ай бұрын
I hadn’t thought about it much since I read it in the expanded universe all those years ago, but there was a sort of force netherworld that luke would… flow walk ( I think this was the term.) and I wonder if this kinda was dave developing that concept further.
@carbondogma7388
@carbondogma7388 Ай бұрын
My main issue with the World Between Worlds was that I felt like it really hurt the stakes of the Original Trilogy. Why would the emperor ever bother with building the Death Star if he had the potential to control *all of time and space*?? He seemed to have only a single small research station at that temple in Rebels, which was easily infiltrated by Ezra and Sabine. If we're supposed to believe he took projects like what was happening at Tantiss so seriously with its secrecy, I would expect the a hell of a lot more security than a poorly guarded outpost for something that has this much power...
@kenknowlton3085
@kenknowlton3085 10 ай бұрын
I don't see the World Between Worlds as time travel at all. It is an interdimensional portal. The real story is who put it there and why? It is not a natural phenomenon. This is the larger story.
@draconianemanations2785
@draconianemanations2785 10 ай бұрын
It's a story that doesn't belong in Star Wars. I felt that way when we saw it in Rebels, and I still feel that way.
@kenknowlton3085
@kenknowlton3085 10 ай бұрын
@draconianemanations2785 To each his own. I think that it fits perfectly. Goes well with the Mortis arc. Better than anything we got in the sequels.
@David_Alvarez77
@David_Alvarez77 6 ай бұрын
@@kenknowlton3085 I imagine that people who dislike the world between worlds also have at least some reservations about the the whole Mortis arc and its take on the force.
@kenknowlton3085
@kenknowlton3085 6 ай бұрын
@David_Alvarez77 I just don't see the interaction with the World Between Worlds as time travel. A lot of people don't like these arcs, equating them as time travel. I think that they would feel differently if they adjusted their perspective.
@kenknowlton3085
@kenknowlton3085 6 ай бұрын
@David_Alvarez77 I just don't see the interaction with the World Between Worlds as time travel. A lot of people don't like these arcs, equating them as time travel. I think that they would feel differently if they adjusted their perspective.
@woahwoah2207
@woahwoah2207 10 ай бұрын
I might be wrong, but I think that Ahsoka was not in the world between worlds in her show. It looked like it, but to me Episode 5 was more of a Force Vision before her death.
@jimdaniels7531
@jimdaniels7531 10 ай бұрын
Makes more sense if she was just dreaming.
@matiasluukkanen7718
@matiasluukkanen7718 10 ай бұрын
Every time someone dies from now on, that death is cheapened with audience asking: Will WBW bring them back?
@Dzekin
@Dzekin 10 ай бұрын
this is semi-offtopic but when it comes to the "sequel trilogy", that many prefer to ignore the existence of, I personally thought that your sequel to... sequel(s)... was way better. "Rise of Finn" seemed more like the story that we deserved. Thought that I'd mention this since TWBW, as you mentioned, could show us alternative realities etc.
@toddblankenship7164
@toddblankenship7164 10 ай бұрын
Im not convinced she even died. She lost a fight and was on course for death in her life so Anakin assisted and set her back on course. Have you seen clone wars she jumps out of ships with no jet packs, Her and Anakin jump off a turret wall in Landing at point rain in season two and they use the force to slow there fall and then save Rex. the though of that baby fall killing her is offensive imo.
@E_T_31
@E_T_31 10 ай бұрын
I think this is the first time you read out one of my comments. This just made my day :D
@istari0
@istari0 10 ай бұрын
The problem with the WBW is that there is no clear idea to what its limits are and that allows for all kinds of awful stories by writers eager and willing to take a shortcut to make happen what they want to happen. I do wish Filoni had found a better way to handle the storyline without creating it. Also, those of you who are upset because Filoni is not using it to retcon the ST out of existence are missing something obvious. Darth Kennedy would never allow that.
@marajade9879
@marajade9879 10 ай бұрын
Oh yes, I've been waiting for you to talk about this topic! I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one hating the concept of the WbW and that there are plenty of others who think Dave loves Ahsoka way too much and would hate the idea of undoing events by using time travel. The WbW has been my greatest concern since it was introduced and the reason why I don't trust Filoni. I'm still not sure he won't to something tremendously stupid with the WbW.
@Aeitha01
@Aeitha01 10 ай бұрын
Hey Thor! The way I’ve always interpreted the WBW is that in Star Wars there are set canon events that happen, I.e. anakin turning into Vader, or luke blowing up the Death Star, to me that’s what those portals Ezra is shown are, visual representation of these events. We also know that the force is a “living force” and due to the flux nature of it, the force itself can choose when someone can intervene, as well as choose who is allowed unrestricted access to the gateways. If it really is a nexus of the force I think it would make sense that the nexus has anchor points. I also think that as far as the WBW has been used it can’t/won’t let anyone in who will end up making a decision that would remove too many anchor points. I’d also like to add that the way that the WBW is used in episode 5 of Ahsoka felt remarkably similar to Cal’s vision on Dathomir and got me to wonder if the nebulous nature of the WBW is due to the fact that it can and should change its look to best allow the “correct” decision to be made by who ever enters it. I know this is super wordy and probably full of holes but I’d like to know your thoughts!
@chadbrad8100
@chadbrad8100 9 ай бұрын
You do realize Ashoka never died when she just fell of the cliff and went into the water unconscious. Anakin didn't save Ashoka , Ashoka woke up in the WbW because she has a connection to it probably via "Daughter" and because she has been there before. She never died she was unconscious. When it was fighting Vader it was sort of like time travel but not what happened with the fight with Baylan Skoll
@junior523
@junior523 8 ай бұрын
This
@arcanefeline
@arcanefeline 10 ай бұрын
I preferred SW when it was more grounded and mystical at the same time. Before Mortis, World Between Worlds and witches. Before, it was sci-fantasy. Now, it's just fantasy with blasters. The Force is now just typical D&D magic.
@jt5765
@jt5765 10 ай бұрын
I view it as being similar to the Weirwood network in ASOIAF (that's Game of Thrones for non book readers). Greenseers could view the past/present & potentially future via the Weirwoods but not impact events. That might be changing with Bran Stark in the next or final books though.
@michaelmartinez3893
@michaelmartinez3893 10 ай бұрын
I'd love a What If? Star Wars series
@ajclements4627
@ajclements4627 10 ай бұрын
Star Wars Infinities, a comic from years back did the “What If?” angle pretty good.
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 10 ай бұрын
I don't. I prefer leaving hypothetical scenarios a mystery.
@thefilmwhisperer1105
@thefilmwhisperer1105 10 ай бұрын
I hate to be negative about episode 5, but I gotta say… What was the point? Why did Ahsoka need to go through this “arc”? This whole time she’s been steadfast and determined to meet her goal. She even lectures Sabine about the importance of stopping Thrawn, how it’s more important than getting Ezra back. Nowhere in any episode did it appear that Ahsoka was giving up on anything..
@gbrow1604
@gbrow1604 10 ай бұрын
it feels like Filoni's "character development" is just an excuse to go on nostalgia trips.
@ajclements4627
@ajclements4627 10 ай бұрын
@@gbrow1604 Exactly, and I get trashed for saying the same thing. SW fans cannot stand anyone who isn’t kissing Filoni’s …
@thefilmwhisperer1105
@thefilmwhisperer1105 10 ай бұрын
@@gbrow1604 Exactly. Episode 5 was a very unearned "detour".
@michaelhorning6014
@michaelhorning6014 10 ай бұрын
For what shall it profit a man, that he gain Ahsoka but lose his soul?
@mcash232
@mcash232 10 ай бұрын
I really think people misunderstand what a "hard" or "soft" magic system means. It DOESN'T mean you know WHY something works (that would be a rationale) it just means the degree to which you understand the RULES. Sometimes that dips into rationale, but rationale in speculative fiction is fairly flexible and doesn't necessarily dictate the rules of things. When you say you want the Force to be more "soft", it means you want the rules to be LESS understood or visible from the viewer's/reader's POV, and potentially more mushy in terms of what it can do. What people generally get upset over with things like midichlorians and the WBW is that the few rules and expectations that WERE set up in the OT didn't really foreshadow them. That's not necessarily a deal breaker, but if it *feels* like cheating to the audience, then it doesnt really matter what is or isn't technically allowed by canon.
@user-yq9im9dk9z
@user-yq9im9dk9z 10 ай бұрын
The entire prequel trilogy would be guilty of not being foreshadowed in the OT. At some point you have to accept the franchise is 50-years old and needs to attract fans of (current thing) to be sustainable.
@artix1019
@artix1019 10 ай бұрын
I mean, when we last saw the cliff there was huge rocks all over the bottom portion near the sea. Somehow she missed all that lol. At least I think there was.
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations 10 ай бұрын
What we have in relativity at least is called "closed timelike curve". But yeah, I agree we need to exclude time travel. But other than that, I'm all in for the concept.
@Vaelias
@Vaelias 10 ай бұрын
Remeber she died on Mortis too lol, she’s died like 3 times, Maul got nothing on her
@liljenborg2517
@liljenborg2517 10 ай бұрын
I agree with the sentiment that it starts to make the Force to magical and less mystical. Seeing the future and the past through the force is a much different thing than being able to actually change the past and the future. Being able to communicate across interstellar distances through the Force is already pushing it. Being able to physically cross that distance to teleport characters or objects . . . To quote Han Solo, "That's not the way the Force works!" Also, as a writer, they're giving themselves a very tempting "get out of jail free" card. Back in the first two seasons of Star Trek TNG the writers had discovered for themselves a powerful magical tool. If you ever wrote yourself into a corner, all you had to do was slide those three magic levers on the transporter control panel and you could magically deus-ex-machina all your problems away. You could magically disarm weapons (except when the script needed the bad guys beamed aboard to have working guns) or decontaminate germs (except when the script needed people to get sick) or de-age artificially aged crewmen or, in one instance, re-constitute Captain Picard's body out of wisps of nebula gas. On the one hand, it made sense, if the transporter can disassemble an object ten or twenty thousand kilometers away on a quantum level, convert that matter to energy, transmit it thousands of kilometers, convert the energy stream back into matter, then reassemble that matter perfectly on a transporter pad, shouldn't it be able to alter that matter? The food replicators already did that on a small cup-of-earl-gray-tea scale. The producers had to lay down some pretty hard-and-fast rules that the transporter was only there to transport characters from one place to another quickly (and without needing a sequence of expensive special effects shots of launching and/or landing a shuttle), because it was too easy for writers to abuse. The whole "world between worlds" thing is going to be very easy to abuse if they don't lay down some pretty hard-and-fast rules. And, to be frank, the Story Group (or Filoni or whoever is writing Star Wars these days) already don't adhere to the Rules very closely already. In fact they've all but said they hate the rules and see canon as a shackle holding them back from writing the stories they want to write. For those who don't get the association "canon" is the Latin word for "rules".
@Amoschp524
@Amoschp524 10 ай бұрын
I would have liked the world between worlds been an ancient form of force travel between planets with force nexus that the celestials created or it was a place to commune with the force more deeply and train. Until Ezra pulled Ahsoka out of her fight my head cannon was the Vader would have somehow sealed her away in the Temple since it was mystery to the Emperor. Him being unable to deliver the final blow and that would line up with the little bit of good that Luke sensed in him. Vader/Anakin only cares about those close to him. From what I know of Ahsoka's journey and her behavior before episode 5, nothing setup the lesson she supposedly learned.
@alanviniciuswanderleytavar4399
@alanviniciuswanderleytavar4399 10 ай бұрын
The first time was used to save ahsoka, but the second time wasn't, at all, people are watching with blindfolded man. She would never die to Baylor in that scene, narrative speaking, the world In between worlds was used developed her relation with Anakin, not to saver her like the first time
@TheMightyCookieShow
@TheMightyCookieShow 10 ай бұрын
The version of ahsoka we see enter the temple from below was the version of ahsoka, that lived, and had to return to her own world.
@Secret_Takodachi
@Secret_Takodachi 10 ай бұрын
Once I heard the Emperor from the OG Star Wars franchise came back in the new movies I was CERTAIN humanity would smarten up and stop caring about Star Wars. How people still have expectations for this franchise is beyond me. How much "nothing matters and we'll re-write whatever to meet sales targets" do fans need before they realize their fucking fiction is just an ad platform with no actual content.
@_eggers
@_eggers 10 ай бұрын
Everyone wanted them to use it to retcon the sequels but they’re more likely to use it to remake the originals.
@niccistarkiller1131
@niccistarkiller1131 10 ай бұрын
I also already new Ahsoka got out of the fight with Vader from s2 of Rebels. So I didn't need WBW for that. No I'm more seeing it as a place for force ghosts to watch over the galaxy, to see if they're needed. Then when/if Filoni said it isn't about time traveling, he's wrong. If Ahsoka could just go back into the time the left, she could have walked into which other portal she wanted. I also hoped it was to retcom the sequels, that Ahsoka saw the future and therefore went to Luke to prevent it from happening. Joining his new order and keeping any eye on Ben
@hrstar24
@hrstar24 10 ай бұрын
The fact that the fanbase can't even agree on what happened in Episode 5 (Was it the World Between Worlds? Or all in Ahsoka's head? Was it Anakin's ghost? Or just Ahsoka's projection? What lesson did Anakin even teach Ahsoka? Why did Ahsoka suddenly have an existential crisis and want to give up on trying to save the galaxy/Ezra/Sabine after one fight w/ Balon?) proves that the episode is actually not very good. Its the same as when we got the Obi-Wan vs. Vader rematch, at first people liked it, but after thinking about it a little the fans realized how trash it was.
@DrD00M3
@DrD00M3 10 ай бұрын
Exactly
@ajclements4627
@ajclements4627 10 ай бұрын
Just goes to show Filoni isn’t the SW savior so many people think he is.
@esteban20969564
@esteban20969564 10 ай бұрын
If You couldnt figure out the episode when, at least for me, is very clear why all happened that way is more of a You problem than a show problem...
@robr7815
@robr7815 10 ай бұрын
The fact you say vagueness and mystery proves the episode is "not very good" is questionable. Not everything needs to be explained. The best art is ineffable (inexplainable). Whether it was the WBW or in Ahsoka's head or a force vision is up to the perceiver. We choose what we think this scenario was. The lesson(s) was/were very obvious. 1. LIVE or die. Stop surviving and start living. Surviving can only lead to death of oneself. 2. Let go of the past. Ahsoka is more than Anakin's apprentice, just like Anakin is more than just darth vader. Ahsoka didn't suddenly have a crisis and she hadn't' given up on Ezra. She still fights to save people, but she's lost the spark and the motivation. She cares for Sabine but she's closed off and too serious. Her fight with vader wrecked her. She feels like all she is, is a soldier She knows no other life. So she keeps fighting because that's what she had always done. But at the end of the episode, she realises she is more than that.
@ajclements4627
@ajclements4627 10 ай бұрын
@@esteban20969564 No, it’s a writing problem if those questions need to be asked in the first place, as not everyone watching Ahsoka has consumed every single thing SW since TCW or Rebels, and shouldn’t have to, to understand the story being told.
@Lord-Emperor-Vader
@Lord-Emperor-Vader 10 ай бұрын
Hey Thor I have a challenge for you find one good thing and one bad thing about each Star Wars movie (and show if you want) from an in universe perspective meaning that it has to be something that happens in the film (or show) mainly so cheap/ easy answers like the cinematography was the best part of The Last Jedi or the score was the best part of Rise Of Skywalker, or the removal of Yub Nub was the worst part of Return of The Jedi or the outdated CGI was the worst part of Revenge Of The Sith can be avoided for films (or shows) that you like/ don't like.
@FedraHere
@FedraHere 10 ай бұрын
I'm going to break ranks here. As someone who has seen every bit of official Star Wars media, read countless legends, new canon, and comics from both... I like it. I'm running an Edge of the Empire campaign in a few weeks, and the concept of the intersection between what was, what is, and what could be is the way I am tying Legends and the New Canon together. My players responded well to the practice campaign where I toyed with these concepts. I think the very idea of it is less pulling someone from death and more the force interweaving and using willing light vessels like Ezra to do its will. Palatine would never have been able to use it because he seeks to control the force not learn from it or be molded by it. Anyway, I like the concept and have used similar ones in my own writing. Although I do fear that bad writers may screw this up for all of us...
@finrodbrs
@finrodbrs 10 ай бұрын
One of the great ironies about Disney Star Wars is that some of the most fun content has been the non-canon stuff. Phineas and Ferb Star Wars is a blast. The Lego Star Wars tv series is also a lot of fun. In fact, one of my favorite parts of the Lego series, is how silly Palpatine is. Sure, I don't want him to be that way in "real life," but this is a loving parody.
@marcusbarboza7805
@marcusbarboza7805 10 ай бұрын
I honestly I don’t think you need the whole world between worlds gimmick as a way to justify altering the canon. Just the act of Ezra pulling a Soca outs of the world between worlds probably cause the ripple effect similar to the moon movie sound of thunder. Like how, stepping on a butterfly in the past causes ripples in the future. But as far as the sequel trilogy, what’s done is done at this point. But if they do want to use this gimmick as the way to make alterations to the canon, then there’s gotta be a equal consequence to balance out. Like everything has a price, and the price of change will always have a steep cost.
@kingkold1000
@kingkold1000 10 ай бұрын
How about Dave bend time and space to save Star Wars from the sequel trilogy? 🙃
@TheTurtlebot
@TheTurtlebot 10 ай бұрын
Yo be fair to the world between worlds the small number of people we've seen actually get some "use" serves to so how unusual it is. The way both ezra and ahsoka follow the will of the force is pretty unique when compared to almost every other prequel era jedi or any sith we've seen. Makes sense they'd be able to do some things others can't when they're so in tune with the kinda "natural" side of the force (for lack of a better word).
@CaptainphoenixofficialYT
@CaptainphoenixofficialYT 10 ай бұрын
A Star Wars "What If...?" would be the coolest thing ever.
@ragmitory1997
@ragmitory1997 10 ай бұрын
My immediate thought about World between Worlds is that it can provide a way for the EU/Legends to come back in a mainstream fashion. It has a great potential to add to the story of overall SW universe, but I’m not holding my breath with some of decisions made for the franchise as a whole.
@jerryziegner
@jerryziegner 10 ай бұрын
No matter what, one thing remains….all roads lead to the sequel trilogy. 😞
@x-winger9387
@x-winger9387 10 ай бұрын
HEY THOR! What do you think are the chances Dave Filoni uses zombie magic to create zombie troopers to rewrite the how clone troopers were used in Zahn’s original Heir to the Empire and will this be a bridge to far for most fans with the Force?
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 10 ай бұрын
Maybe. Except we have a Nightsister that can revive dead people so it’s possible.
@reginaldinoenchillada3513
@reginaldinoenchillada3513 10 ай бұрын
Then, let's use the world between worlds to save Quigon-jin after maul stabs him in the abdomen. ❤
@caseyjp1
@caseyjp1 10 ай бұрын
As Star Wars is, at the end of the day, "FANTASY", I only have one rule for enjoyment: TRY to be consistent. (Knocks the sequels right out, eh? Heh.) The WbW NEVER bothered me. I took it as just another facet dealing with the Force. In the Rebels Season 2 episode, we see her recover from the reverse block and as the door obscured Ezra's and our view of the fight, she was still doing okay. The WbW episode also doesn't show her near death either, only that Vader was preparing a strike...that WOULD have been interrupted anyway as the floor caved in on him. It seems that "she wuz gonna' die-zors'! has been repeated soooo many times to be taken as gospel. The actual shows do NOT indicate that in any specific way other than she was in a bit of a sticky mess...but was holding her own just fine. Ezra, being his usual impulsive self, just HAD to save his friend. Heh. So in my interpretation and head canon I have zero issues with how it all worked out. 😀 As to the Ahsoka series? The WbW gave us episode #5. That makes it just fine for me. As a writer, if anyone were to try paradoxical 'stuff' within that realm, I'd have them die a horrible tragic death as the universer/Force itself prevented any time-shattering changes.
@keeganparsons6481
@keeganparsons6481 10 ай бұрын
Maybe the sequels are a whole season of what if. What if... Palpatine survived somehow?
@treystephens6166
@treystephens6166 10 ай бұрын
Let’s hold hands going poop 💩 😂
@seanbaugh3239
@seanbaugh3239 10 ай бұрын
*"Take me away I don't mind You better promise me I'll be back in time Gottt get back in time" - H. Lewis 🧐* *Back in time indeed !!!* 🤨 *"NUFF SAID"™️*
@Kusanagikaiser999
@Kusanagikaiser999 10 ай бұрын
This is kinda the reason I will love if STAR WARS MOVE FORWARD....I mean to the distant FUTURE, when non of the characters from Clone Wars, the Prequels, Rebels, the original trilogy, the old and new republic, the sequels, non of these characters are around, you can just create what ever you want, even not need any more empire, Jedi, rebels, siths, there will be just new ideas and concepts......by keep writing stuff in BETWEEN the prequels, the sequels, the OG, you keep contradicting stuff established in the films or shows, creating no tension..........I love a lot of Star Wars even some stuff in the Disney Era like Rebels, Clone Wars season 7, Rogue One, Force Awakens, Mando s1 and 2, Tales of the Jedi, Visions and now Ahsoka (so far), but the more you circle this time like the more QUESTIONS and CONTRADICTIONS you create.....I keep saying this, every new project BESIDES ANDOR (wait until even they f up this), show a NEW SURVIVOR JEDI who somehow manage to survive order 66 and did nothing important after.......I keep saying if Ahsoka, Cal Kestis are around the time of Luke.....why they didn't help him to defeat Emperor Palpatine? you have to create LOOPS around then to justify why they never shows up when it matter, now we kinda doing that for Ahsoka to justify why Ezra, Sabine and Ahsoka aren't present in the SEQUELS to help Rey vs the New Order, instead of....killing them when you have to and not make Sabine a force sensitive (not like we need MORE JEDIS), and this is coming from me who love Dave characters, Rebels and Ahsoka are of my faves, and now having the World between worlds is a device that looks only works for Dave to save his waifu Ahsoka, twice now, as much I love ep 5, is kinda what it is, AHSOKA CAN'T DIE....is not like I expecting that a show called AHSOKA will dare to kill its main character in ep 5, but you don't need to put this to begin with, suggesting Anakin did all he did to save ahsoka fr dying after she had pass..........and the biggest bear with this device is the one of using to retcon or bring back death characters from the past.....I hope they don't do this.....imagine if they retcon, Maul death, or Anakin, or Padme, or Obi Wan, just to have them interact with the new characters, and milk more profits our of them.....or as many point, use it to erase the SEQUELS, as much I hate them (the last 2, Force Awakens is okay), it indeed just going to create more problems than solutions...........I hope Dave and the writers in the future use this place WISELY.
@arbiter6069
@arbiter6069 10 ай бұрын
The world between worlds reminds me of that one scene from Interstellar
@m.cliffordswittsendproduct2380
@m.cliffordswittsendproduct2380 10 ай бұрын
I just wish I lived in the alternate universe where Disney DOESN'T own Star Wars AND George Lucas made all 9 Skywalker movies...
@SixerMason
@SixerMason 10 ай бұрын
The Yoda convo wasn't a WBW thing stop it. The WBW should've stayed a special thing accessible via that one temple in Rebels only. It's gone now, not coming back. But no, you can just go there when the plot says so, or when the writer wants his daughteru to not die and to jangle some keys. Man, remember Force Ghosts?
@guesswho8556
@guesswho8556 10 ай бұрын
I stopped watching star wars after Kenobi. I can't suspend my disbelief no more. People who think 10 minutes of fan service justice an entire tv show's existence are the problem.
@Highlader13
@Highlader13 10 ай бұрын
There is compilation video from reactors, and oh boy that was so cringe. People clapping and praising nothing more than member berries
@Hero_Of_Old
@Hero_Of_Old 10 ай бұрын
Same
@MedalionDS9
@MedalionDS9 10 ай бұрын
Amen
@guesswho8556
@guesswho8556 10 ай бұрын
@@Highlader13 it's so cringe. I can't fathom why they are like this. Are they so brain dead?
@draconianemanations2785
@draconianemanations2785 10 ай бұрын
@@Highlader13 Grizzy? His uploads are hilarious, just found his channel recently, great stuff
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 10 ай бұрын
I like the idea of sub spiritual realms to explore the history of the galaxy and connect minds across it. It's weird how they keep trying to ignore all the time travel stuff though despite the huge implications. Ashokas privy access to it does make me suspicious about it's narrative purpose though
@noellec9760
@noellec9760 10 ай бұрын
Personally I’m not so sure why this bothers people. The WBW in general, and Dave using it to “save” Ahsoka. Honestly, I’m open to just about anything in Star Wars. I think that’s what makes it unique: it’s sci-fi, but it’s also a bunch of other things too. I get the WBW and the concept of time travel can make things messy like it did the MCU, but as long as it’s not used that way, I don’t have a problem with it. Also, Vader killing Ahsoka is predictable and repetitive of him killing Obi wan imo.
@iggi3985
@iggi3985 10 ай бұрын
Filoni, Kennedy’s sidekick on the path to destroy Star Wars
@77Pictures
@77Pictures 10 ай бұрын
Its fine the way its been used. It fits a lot of mythological trappings and belief systems worldwide. These are all consistent ideas...until the sequels come into the picture.
@VykronianF1
@VykronianF1 10 ай бұрын
The World between Worlds should’ve been a physical manifestation of communicating with force ghosts, the wills, seeing the future or past. But not being able to affect either. As Ezra could save Ahsoka, but can’t save Kanan because reasons. If she were consistent with her logic she’d be cut in half by Vader.
@xblazestrollsd2126
@xblazestrollsd2126 10 ай бұрын
I think they should have made the wbw to be like a fast travel but you need to find a gate through the force to be allowed to use the fast travel This could allow Ezra to save Ashoka by pulling her into the gate but it would be months after the fight.
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