SOLAR BAHAMUT! I have no idea why after correctly calling it SOLAR bahamut the very first time of asking at 1:56 i then proceed to call it Lunar bahamut at every point after!? Sorry about that😭 Anyway, new Summoner. Yay or Nay?

What we wanted: 2nd set of gem summons featuring Ramuh, Leviathan, Shiva with a Alexander capstone. What we got: Bahamut Glamour Insult to Injury: Pictomancer gets a Moogle and Discount Madeen summon. BLU: I have over 20 summon attacks at my disposal lol

The devs completely dropped the ball with SMN for Dawntrail. I want to be able to summon more than the five same primals we've had access to for practically several years now. I don't see how hard it is just to make Summoner into a SUMMONER!!! 😭

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I agree with you, I was let down a bit as a main SMN. I wanted new egis and rotations with shiva, ramuh and leviathan. I don’t really get solar Bahamut and the attacks that look like Noctis attacks from 15. Neo Bahamut from 7 would have been cooler imo. I’ll stick with it though, but I expected much more.

I WANT AUTO ATTACKING CARBUNCLE BACK

I'm disappointed that its just another bahamut. I'm ok with how it plays, even though it can be a little boring savage, but it needs more variety in summons. The rotation repeats, why not just rotate other summons after every phoenix/bahamut?

Really wanted Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva, and Odin. I feel they dropped the ball on that. At the very least they could tell us there's new egi glams. Failing that we could at least use their moves. It grinds my gears that *Blue Mage* is more of a summoner than us because they have more access to different Primal moves than we do

Solar Bahamut I feel should have just upgraded normal Bahamut, and given a new third elder primal summon.

I agree with you! I want those three added as well! It is something new for me! I am probably going back to my Red Mage as my Main!

This is a total slap in the face. Shiva, Leviathan, and Ramuh should have been crystal replacements after Phoenix is summoned. NOT another version of a summon we already have. What a huge let down. This class was defiantly put on the C list for listening to player feedback.

I really hope they're keeping a fourth demi-primal a secret or something. I find Solar Bahamut VERY disappointing a reveal. Phoenix is my favourite phase thanks to the rekindle. It was nice being able to heal as a SMN, now that's happening less...

After a few hours of this sinking in, I think they will add the other summons, just not yet...keep us waiting...we did just get big summons in EW.

I've been a SMN main since all the way back in 2.1. This is the first expansion where I had ZERO excitement for the job after seeing the job action trailer. Unless something amazing is revealed during the media tour gameplay footage, I'll be leveling VPR and going through the main quest with that. Very disappointed.

I've been a summoner main since I started during Shadowbringers, it's what I see my WoL being RP-wise, but this is so massively underwhelming I'm almost certainly going to switch. Now I regret putting so much work into my SMN glam lol.

While I'm in the camp of adding shiva, leviathan and ramuh as lesser summons to cycle through, i was also in the mindnset that the rework of summoner was the baseline for the next expansion to truly get more stuff added. Guess you can say im not disappointed. I like the look of solar bahamat, cant wait for lunar Phoenix

At ~2:35, would that be a new version of Radiant Aegis?

Pretty sure we will get rehash summons here on out lol kinda sad.

I don't understand why they don't give us Rahmu, Shiva diabolos, and anima which they have been shown throughout the game. Or others summons, I like how easy is summoner but I also like to see more summons, why would we get another bahamut.... it seems the person in charge of smn is not creative enough to give us more,

Your voice is very pleasant to listen to :)! Saved? I agree I don't think SMN was in any need of saving despite being a SMN main who misses old SMN (minus some of its issues.) While I miss the old SMN, new SMN is an easy job with a low skill entry for new players, or for learning new content. I'm ok with that trade off. It functions well in any instanced content, it doesn't have any of the whacky problems I have on more interesting jobs like my MCH (whose AoE is just weird). And I'd say the same for DRG AoE - feels like I spend half my time setting up perfect angles for directional AoEs that do basically nothing. All for a trash pack which my SMN can mow down with me half asleep, admiring the scenery in a new dungeon, and standing anywhere I damn please, since if it's a bad place to be standing I can always just move ;). The more interesting things they add to my jobs the more difficult it becomes for them to tie it all together into something that is functional, smooth, and coherent. As someone who enjoys the game but occasionally takes long breaks in between content drops, I love having a spec I can log into, pick up and take into a roulettes, a new trial or normal raid without re-learning openers or reminding myself of the ins and outs. Particularly since old MMOs get harder and harder for the devs to keep up with all the interesting jobs and rotations. So, new Solar Bahamut. Fine I guess? I agree it has a Lunar look. I like the look of it. A new summons would have been fine, maybe? Could we summon YoshiP? That would have been fun. But I don't think it adds much except maybe a new button. Do I need more buttons? No I do not. Will I mind terribly? Probably not :). Thanks for the video and balanced pov! As you point out - its popular as it is for a reason.

I still want to be optimistic. Scholar was the laughing stock on EW I guess summoner is taking the fall this time Plus, we all know that they did not show all the updates, so maybe there is more to it than just what we saw

why is your voice over only on my left headphone, it's so distracting

As someone who hates Endwalker SMN, this is such an atrocious update. We're stuck as a damn Ruin Mage for 5 years straight (from 6.0 until 8.0). And giving us a 4 minute rotation when 2 minute windows are their main job designs, what the hell are they even thinking? If Solar Bahamut is the exact same as Demi Bahamut, they screwed it up worse for no good reason. And summoner has been the most popular job since Shadowbringers, when it was at its most complicated. So the whole "Oh well it's too popular to change now" argument is not something the dev team ever takes into consideration.

I'm disappointed. They were going to bring in FFXI into Dawntrail (Alliance Raids, Beastmaster, etc.), so SMN should have received Ramuh, Shiva, and Leviathan. They could've gone with Odin, since they're adding a new Demi. Instead SMNs got a reskinned, emaciated Bahamut and Fester II. Also, in hindsight, I truly think SMN received Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan simply because the animations already existed. They existed in Heaven-On-High in Stormblood. So, SE is just being incredibly lazy with SMN. It's such a shame, because it's an amazing class. It wouldn't surprise me if players petitioned for SMN to get more skills added in 7.5 or something. I love SMN, but I also main SCH, so I can always switch to the latter if I get bored with SMN 😂

By changing the demi summon rotation, it also directly harms SMN party utility provided my phoenix and it's healing. I hope I'm wrong, but for me SMN is the only job that with the current info we have I feel has almost gotten worse.

I guess I’m in the minority I like the new sumn over the old Dot mage.

Super disappointed hoping that they will see summoner play drop so much they will add the primals in an update switching to picto

I prefered old Summoner, I get what you are saying about an easy job to autopilot while learning raid mechanics but it's rotations just bore me stupid and I main a Dancer

total disappointment with this class. i might even just refuse to level out out of protest

Alot of people saying shiva, ramuh, leviathan as part of phoenix phase. That too, would just ultimately feel like a reskin. I think they should have added a 4th demi, and every cycle you essentially pick 3 of the 4. Perhaps it could have been ramuh, following the blm theme of lightning = DoT, perhaps you would want to put in ramuh every other demi rotation to apply a long lasting higanbana style DoT. Or leviathan could be an option and come in and include a defensive utility at the cost of mobility. Titan=mobile, Garuda=AOE, Ifrit=single target/dash, Ramuh=DoT, etc. I mean... this just seems so obvious. Sad update, I agree

I'm honestly pretty happy with this reveal. For me, SMN was always a job I wanted to play ever since I started the game back in ARR, but it was so convulted and complicated, I just said screw it. The Endwalker changes gave me exactly what I wanted from the job, and now we get one more primal to our rotation, so I'm happy. Although, I do agree on one point: I would've preferred a new primal over another Bahamut, but I can live with this.

As someone who started playing in EW, I do have mixed feelings towards the changes instead of pure negative or positive. It was my first job in the game, and it still is my main job. I really like it, and am thankful for the simplicity it has. The simplicity is definitely a big positive for the job. That being said, I would have loved somewhat more complicated mechanics for higher levels and in DT. The addition of only one summon that's essentially a reskin with the minor other changes does feel like SMN got the short end. I hope it either has some unshown abilities or gets better in the 7.x patches. I'll still stick with it as my main caster job, but will start shifting over to maining VPR in DT I think.

"Summoner is the most popular played class", and the only class to get extremely bad updates over the years, and the ONLY class to be unlike any other FF game's Summoner in the series. In addition to another Bahamut summon that NO ONE WANTS or ASKED FOR, the word from the Devs is they're thinking about removing 'Ressurection' from summoner too. I ONLY play summoner as my main class for content, after they did the Summoner nerf 4 times in a row in umm..? Shadowbringers..? I stopped playing for 2 years because I hated how they fk'd with the class and now they are gonna do the same again and slap summoner fans in the face by making summoner even more unsummon like. Worse of all... Carbuncle does fk all, "Look at me, i'm a pretty minion.. oh wait.. no! I mean summon." worsee thing SE done was remove Carbuncles ability to attack too, SE really fk'd this class right up previously and its now gonna be even worse. I jsut hope to god the hacker community will hack in Shiva replacement skin over new Bahamut.

I have been main summoner since ARR and I am not dissappointed. I am glad that, for ONCE, the job will apparently stay the same and the rotations wont change drammatically.

I think Summoner is funny, going from badass to magic Stormblood-Endwalker Magic Bard.

Honestly what we're getting feels like less than nothing. Not only is our new phase just bahamut again, it takes up so much of the rotation that pheonix won't hit until minute 4. My hope was that each of the primals get an enkindle to go along with their aetherflow. That alone would just be three vfx they need to make instead of a new model, a new functionally identical ruin and aoe, and an enkindle and astral flow. Instead we get the same primal we already have two of.

I have been thinking on stop maining SMN for a long time, this was literally the last drop, not a main SMN anymore for DT. RDM on the other hand looks amazing! So I’ll be taking the red for DT.

Throw this SMN-wanna-be class in the bin and bring back Heaven's Ward Summoner: moving around, putting down an AoE, bursting an AoE around the player, afflicting DoTs, spreading DoTs, exploding DoTs; after all this is returned, THEN cycle through the 'summons'. HW Summoners were nearly always in the top 2 dps, and were usually bursting past Black Mages. Shiva, Leviathan, and Ramuh (as well as Odin or Alexander) are a must in the cycling, along with Egis of Ice, Water, and Lightning.

I will be playing anything other than smn again on 7.0 (dropped the job by 6.1 lol, since it lacked complexity and optimization, it was just boring to play), man they dropped the ball for 7.0 smn though.

Shadowbringers summoner is its best interation and I'm gonna die on that hill. For dawntrail I was expecting maybe the return of DoTs I know most people don't like it but I think it was very unique and satisfying to do dots and them spread them in an AoE and with endwalker new system and summons I think it would be cool to have DoTs back. Or then maybe at least do what everyone wanted or expected which was a bunch of new summons, maybe have them in ogcds between gdcs like shiva doing a big ice attack as ogcd. But yea, instead we got that ugly skinny-starving dragon which appears to work the exact same as bahamut and phoenix, it's beyond dissapointing.

SE obviously did ask SMN players what they’d like to see.

Was it saved? It was saved in endwalker imo and actually became a summoner as opposed to a poison mage. It went from one of the least played job in ShB because it was an over complicated mess with the worst opener ever, and if a job mades ShB astro opener easy...there's a problem. Sooooo... Idk. Sure it would be awesome to had Ramuh, Shiva and Leviathan to make it even harder for everyone in the party to see what they're doing because summoner clogs the entire screen even with the small versions. Smh. This is the only job I (and most people) turn the effects for because in extreme and savage it's a liability. That's their biggest problem. Being too mega flashy. So... I think the job is in a good spot. People are never happy anyway so wtv. Keep coping.

I have been a die hard Summoner fan, and absolutely loved the EW changes. Yes it was bare bones, but they gave us a 3rd job pretty much, and there was so much room to build upon. It made me feel like my favourite FF character, Yuna. I had hoped for Shiva/Levi/Ramuh after Phoenix. And maybe a couple more ogcds to weave. Theres so much they coulve done. And I am so disappointed. Solar Bahamut is so boring. It looks like Bahamuts hidden away little brother. Im switching to become a Pictormancer. Hanging up my Summoner dong for now. Praying for our hopes and dreams for 8.0.

Dead class

Not gonna lie, lowkey seem like a sign of laziness. That’s just me

They literally should of swapped out bahamut pheonix and lame ass solar bahamut for the remaining 3 elemental primals and just give them different animations but kept skills the same as the bahamuts and pheonix. At this point im sure players would just like the ability to glamour the primals rhey summon with other and just change the element ofnthe abilities but make it do the same exact thing

I'm sorry man but if you wanted a job to auto pilot then play physical ranged dps that's what they are there for. They get the most movement the most defense and provide buffs all while dpsing. The fact that Summoner was taken from one of the most strategic but rewarding to master jobs and basically dumbed down to where playing at the apex of the job could be done by a toddler is incredibly frustrating. When I started playing this game SMN immediately took my attention because of how it played and since the changes in endwalker I don't think I've been happy with a job since. They need to stop punishing players that enjoy complexity because others don't. There are classes that reward you for playing on auto pilot just play those instead of ruining it for the rest of us.

“Who cares about the holiday rewards, so they’re reskins, I’d rather the developers work on the expansions..”