Reading some of the messages saying "this guy is capping", "cap take"... holy fuck, these people don't realise who Day9 is, and this is his take a COMPLETELY new player, not someone who has played for 10 years.

Doesn’t matter who he is when he’s making a massive deal out of literally nothing just for clicks

@@mythiccx7434 It matters more than any comment you make rando.

Wait until the game tells him he needs mods...oh wait.

@@mythiccx7434 you mean he's streaming

It’s been a huge complaint with SOD amongst casuals. The player base is absolutely horrible to new players. I’m not sure how wow grows because it’s not a casual friendly experience because of the player base.

@@RichSmithson It doesn't grow. People that have 10+ years or even 5+ years don't want to feel like they've wasted all of that time so they will come back and or continue playing regardless of what is given. The playerbase is the main reason i stopped playing multiple times. It's one of the heaviest gatekeeping communities out there.

that's because he's clearly overreacting. "someone in Asmon's chat said" proves nothing. like, look... he isn't "NEW"-new. he is a gamer with 20 years of expirience minimum. he played SC at competitive level... he played other bliz games. don't tell me this dude never tried WCIII in 20 years, (or heartstone) and doesn't know who t f Jaina Proudmoore is! he referred to her as a "character from Frozen" lol. but besides that, yeah. he's a seasoned gamer, he's not a 80year old grandma. don't tell me he got crushed by wow tutorials. that's just pure nonsence. he obviously got told beforehand key talking points about why retail is bad and just repeating the mantra for content. i never played wow in my life. but played WCIII as a kid. i tried WOW because 2 years ago i started to watch Asmongold and got on the hate of shadowlands. tried both classic and retail. plot twist. if you're casual, and EXACTLY if you are casual, and not listening to anybody - you can absolutely still play retail as "explore, do quests, follow the story and just do whatever". just as classic. yes, classic is more coherent in that way. more captivating gameplay and progression wise, less bloated... but that goes both ways. if you level in classic, first 20-30 hours will be magnificent. but then it will start to feel slow. world itself saves it with vibes and music, but retail has the same traits, even if levelling is not so compelling. if you level in retail, nothing stops you from creating a human warrior, go to goldshire and kill kobolds. also, nothing stops you from creating a demonhunter and go on a crusade against burning legion with Illidan in Legion... for me, as a fan of WCIII - it's a big selling point actually. maybe i WANT to see cutscenes with "frozen characters". maybe i WANT to dive into WC's lore. and going into the game i DO understand that it's a 20 y o mmorpg and it will have some bloat, that i maybe don't even want to see. yes, obviously wow has it's problems. yes, it's a strange experience to start from bfa. but this guy's complains are just ridiculous. he says he's too out of context, but don't want to read or watch cutscenes... but how they supposed to give him context then?! or does he want to kill wolves like in classic? well, sorry bro, you're late by 20 years. it's the same with comicbooks movies... do you want to see for a 10th time how Peter Parker got bitten by spider, or do you want to see an actual new story? he complains that they don't give him context gameplay wise, so he'll never learn that way... but apparently agreed by everyone, the game is p!ss easy anyway so what's the point? he claims he's brand new, but somehow repeats word by word what have been said by people who can't even comprehend the fact that some people actually play rpgs for story and a sence of adventure - Xar and Asmongold are among them. so how does he have exact same complains then?

@@ivanchizhikov9939 bro who's overreacting? baseless arguments and no perspective to add.

@@ivanchizhikov9939I’m 34, been playing games for 20+ years, NEVER played WoW and I don’t know who Jaina Proudmoor is.

Idk man I started playing 2 weeks ago for the first time and retail has been amazing I’m level 34 now. I did the regular start though, not the island

@@weaktoxic9683 as Day9 said at the end, I don't think he said it wasn't fun, but that there are clear issues with the game and how it presents itself to new players. He said both are fun towards the end.

@@LtSMASH324 there is your problem, it was at the end. 😅 immature people just get hyper sensitive if you even dare to imagine there could be a flaw with "their thing".

@@clarkecorvo2692 yeah, it's just weird to me that people took such issue with it when he was just explaining and going through his blind experience of the game. It's not like he's just making bullshit up to make people mad. If he wanted to do that, he could've with Classic WoW, but that was actually a smooth experience for him, so he didn't have much to say about it.

There's a reason Day9 took so much pleasure from killing Twitchchat in Gurubashi Arena last week. I couldn't be a twitch streamer because I wouldn't be able to deal with the brain rot.

only streamer thats been around longer that ik of is Destiny

@@Kakerate2 day9 actually has been arounder longer. Destiny started streaming in 2011. Day9 started in 2009.

@@therabbits69I believe Day9’s twitch streamer ID is “2”. Pretty much the OG

@@Tobeh also, id 1 is reserved for twitch itself. so yep, the OG

WHY WATCH AGAIN???

Twitch chat is always this stupid and brain rotten with basically every streamer. It's actually crazy. Seems like people who watch twitch all day don't have an IQ higher than room temperature.

Honestly his retail WoW experience as a smart human being who is completely new to WoW and the MMO genre is a textbook example on what's wrong with retail WoW. The devs could literally study his videos and learn a ton of things that they can't possibly learn from the existing WoW community.

Only people thinking classic is harder are self gaslighted people, drinking every 4 pulls isn't difficulty, it's lack of convenience

@@Wellshem Exactly, ppl think something thats time consuming/inconvenient = hard

@@Wellshem "harder" needs context... If you mean mechanically... Classic is just "lol", compared to retail. But if you mean QOL wise, retail is so much easier 🤷🏻‍♂️

Classic is harder in the sense that it's easier to fail, not necessarily the complexity. Similar to how Dark Souls is a hard game, but at its core, it's fairly simple mechanics. The retail leveling experience, in comparison, is incredibly hard to fail in. As Day9 showed, you can pull tons of mobs, have no clue what you're doing at all, and still succeed. If he tried that in classic he would die instantly. I prefer games that are easier to fail in.

​@@Zenith-ly7prthis is what people miss. "Harder" doesn't have to mean super mechanically complex. It can just mean more punishing/easier to fail.

It's so anti rpg it makes no sense

I think sexual harassment and diablo immortal are worse. But level scaling is still very bad.

I think it's good idea, but it's done poorly. There's pros and cons. If you had certain mobs have a lowest threshold etc. Like sure you can go to this dangerous area, but the mobs will be 2-3 levels higher, cause they won't ever go below level 15 for example. But it's done expac by expac instead.

You have the option but you have to go out of your way to do it. Basically, if you follow the questline from the the new start zone it auto flows into BFA but if you hearthstone out you can get the chromie quests from the adventure board. No new player would know that though so yeah... New players basically go from exiles reach to BFA which is awful

@@snowterran no there is no chromie option for a brand new account, you have to make it to 50 on a character before you can use chromie time to level. I was brand new in dragonflight and wanted to play through the original story and couldnt do it until i got to 50 on a character, then i could use the board and talk to chromie. it literally forces you to play BFA your first playthrough

@@anthonybadgero8259 huh so it's even worse than I thought 😂

@@snowterran yeah its kinda wild they start u in the middle of a story lol i think the remix version of timerunning is gonna be the answer to leveling. if they made each expansion that way then u could actually play the entire game instead of being pushed into something u have no idea about.

@@anthonybadgero8259 remix seems like a good idea but when making a remix character the game essentially tells you it's not for new players. Remix for new players would be a great way to level I agree

I agree the new experience is not great but do new people actually care? I am genuinely curious

​@cd2194 for me it kinda killed the game when I tried it. Not really knowing what was going on super hurt my experience seeing people and the npc are like "look how cool they" and I have no idea who even I am hurt the game a lot for me. Some sort of story context that is engaging and makes me want to continue is important, its why games like BG3, The Witcher, or lile FF14 worked for me, the story gave me a reason to care.

@@anthonyrodriguez9232 fair for me its opposite where ff14 and bdg3 just turns me on If its worth anything the endgame is wow is so good compared to other mmos especially thr combat

@@cd2194 I guess that's the thing, from what I've seen end game WoW personally looks less entertaining to than FF. The story helps but stuff like Ultimates or what I spend a lot of my time doing just hanging out and RPing with people (not in the weird way). But yeah personally if the beginning doesn't hook me in than it's kinda dead in the water for me. Also it helps that I have games to fill the "I just want gameplay" needs since I'm a big DOTA and Fighting Game player.

@cd2194 I was a new person in Legion and I cared. I loved Warcraft III as a kid, I played it every single day after school when my parents ended up not paying for Xbox LIVE anymore So when I started WoW after getting a job, I was so excited to see the continuation of the story. The intro with the narrator was hype, I started leveling through Elwynn and then into Westfall, then Duskwood and Redridge Mountains. And then into Burning Steppes, ending in Searing Gorge when I suddenly got the quest to visit Outland or Northrend. I had just saved the Bravo Company captives from the orcs and ran BRD. The story just...ended. Varian Wrynn, High King, lauded me as a hero and champion, told me to keep pushing back against "Deathwing" and then I got the quest to choose Outland or Northrend... I had no idea what to choose and got really frustrated when I learned, canonically, these stories take place BEFORE the intro experience I just played. I love WoW lore, I have ingested days worth of videos on it and done my own deep dives into the wikis. But in that moment, I almost quit playing. I'm glad I didn't because Legion really kickstarted my interest in the lore.

Not to mention that the story they tell you in retail is outdated by several expansions, and they'll be throwing you in and out of the timeline. They should have kept azeroth and its zones as the introduction to the world and the characters, NOT throw people into stories with no context or background that change with every expansion.

The background is in Warcraft 3 for both Vanilla and BfA.

Wow congrats you just repeated what Day9 was complaining about.

Yeah, it's actually funny

Most of xar’s chat is classic andys who dont even play the game so yeah makes sense

There was a nice bit in Asmongolds reaction where a chatter said "Yeah, as a new player, I find his reactions to the game to be a bit over the top", and then Asmon drilled into him and found out that he was actually 300 hours into the game - and still felt like a new player. There is such a huge discrepancy between playing this game for 1 hour, 300 hours and 3000 hours plus - and most people can't even imagine it anymore, hahaha xD I still remember vanilla release, where everyone was absolutely clueless, and the chat was full of the same questions every day, man. What a time that was :D

I was thinking the same thing. Love Day9 and they are just spamming upset, salty troll comments.

for real lol chat getting so mad at day9 and calling him obnoxious when he's just trying to play the game

Idk, when I played BG3, the game felt easier and easier because my character scalled to the moon as time goes on and it wasn't cool

@@Wellshem I'm not saying the game should get easy. I'm just saying that games with no sense of progression sucks and atm, WoW has no sense of progression when you're leveling.

I honestly don't take any issue with the scaling as much as people bring it up. retail leveling experience was pure dogshit and completely repetitive before it, it's one of the main things that makes leveling in other MMOs like GW2 and ESO great via the variety of choice. there's so many other things much more busted with the game

Cataclysm 2.0 for the old world

He literally streams weekly still cept I think he had family issues last week. He still does Mostly Walking every Monday and other games throughout the week.

Same. I miss day9. He was great content

Absolute legend in the streaming space. Miss his HS days, back when Hearthstone was the just chatting of twitch.

@@Mighttester He just played HS again a few weeks ago, the vods should be on his channel. Unfortunately HS is almost unrecognizable as a game now.

Wow has too many expansions to do this, plus the story really begins from the RTS games that came before, plus some are told in books. It would not work like in FF14. Of course I would be totally lost too, imagine if I started FF14 and it immidiately throws me to the Endwalker content, I would have no idea of the world or what was happening or who anyone was. Wow needs a new player tailor made first time experience from lvl 1-whatever. Something set in the old world that introduces the current conflict and some of the current lore characters. Only after that character is done, does the Chromie time open to alts if they want to experience the past expansions or whatever. Either that or reset the board with WOW2.

@suokkis That's true. Wow has so many expansions that really feel like they don't even need to be expansions sometimes. Didn't they announce the next THREE expansions!? BFA blurs into shadow lands which blurred into dragonflight. A lot of the appeal of the story to the old expansions was drawing from Warcraft 3 and even Warcraft 2, and half the story of said expansions was contained in the books.. It feels like you already have to be a Warcraft fan to enjoy the story of WOW. Whereas FF14 starts a story from scratch and makes you care about it. It just really doesn't feel good for bringing in new players who are essentially half expected to play Warcraft 1 2 3 to care about the story..

The fact that many of those people are likely younger than classic says something.

the water was refreshing or the gameplay was?

ic what u did there

@lover I’m sure both

Tbc repack?

To me it seems evident that they are working on restructuring this in the future. For the moment the band aid is that you'll play the intro, then just go into the dragon isles, learning a new story, new characters, in a seemingly vanilla story, with dragonriding as the fun traversal option, and secrets to find, stuff happening, not very complex quests, and short movies to give you the context of the dragons and whats going on. Thatll make it better. But until they focus more on a bigger scale open world they'll be stuck in this rut.

Half the fun is getting new gear. Heirlooms take half the fun away. As long as mobs are your level, or mobs are a level lower or more, then leveling is still fine no matter what gear.

@@Giggles4692 When you level as fast as you do nowadays in retail, switching 1 piece of gear per minute becomes tiresome/annoying, and far away from fun. It was one of my problems when I first played the first Borderlands or the last Diablo: I couldn't kill a group of mobs without them dropping me an upgrade... getting gear is fun when its meaningfull, not when its the norm and the only thing you do. When they drop upgrades non-stop, you stop even reading the stats and just equiping the higher level until they start slowing down some.

It's indeed curious how in current retail, reaching the maximum level is when you are at your weakest. You are still carrying around gear 5 or more levels lower than your level; and mobs get a huge bump in power on that last level because suddenly they are more balanced towards the end-game people having a minimum of gear instead of the leveling people having crappy one.

So scared of removing characters and content that they painted themselves into being a theme park.

That’s fine. Better than the boring idea of everything leveling with you so you never feel stronger. The best solution would be to be able to store gained experience that you can use when you want.

Hahahahaah

Absolutely true 😂😂😂

Wow isn’t for everybody 😊😊

why is BFA relevant to a new player? they will never meet these characters again, or they will be in a different timeline; nothing matters, even the story isn't engaging.

@@Xerxes1337 What's compelling for one may not be for another. Ultimately, BFA's relevance to a new player boils down to their personal experience and what aspects of the game resonate with them the most

Hell, I remember in vanilla, when my main reason went down for maintenance a bunch of us coordinated to join a new low pop realm then formed a 40 man raid to try to take down hogger at level 1. The experience of actually needing to go somewhere new because you outleveled the current area was meaningful and encouraged actually exploring the world. And since you had options for different places to level you almost certainly didn't see the whole world on your first character. With a world that scales with you, you've lost a lot of the drive to actually explore the world.

I would love to see more MMOs find ways to make, at least, the majority of the game world stay relevant as the player levels, rather than just relegating each player to the few zones within their level range.