DCS Apache quick stop from high speed: 110-130 knots to stop and hover.

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Жыл бұрын

Just a quick video to show some of Casmo's viewers that the quick stop from high speeds using Casmo's stop and hover fundamental's work with practice, as with almost anything it just requires practice once you have the fundamentals.
I should have used the footage from the flight I did to get the thumbnail picture.... 135 knots no crash. lol I don't mind showing my mistakes though. Hope you enjoyed!!
The link to ‪@CasmoTV‬ stop and hover (without losing control) video is here: • Slowing down without l...
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@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

I have nerves of room temperature butter a lot of times, so I have a feeling that was a big part of my first attempt mess up! lol Hope this helps for those that want to/have issues with high speed stops. Also, correct me if I'm wrong on the trim affecting the throw of the cyclic.

@HH_Badger Жыл бұрын

Impressive stop even with the ground bump. Probably best not to let the ground chief know you did that. LOL

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

I won't tell him if you won't! lol

@Beltalowda666 Жыл бұрын

LOL that first attempt, classic HH move 😀 But damn dude good flying there

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

Yep... This was my third time recording this too... Either audio or video issues! lol First take was the best take on the actual maneuver itself. Well, the non-recorded one I did just for the thumbnail was actually the best take. ha ha. I was thinking about redoing the whole video and said, nah, gotta show the mistakes that happen during these maneuvers too!

@matka5130 Жыл бұрын

Casmo is cool and so are you. Subbed

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I love Casmos content, at least the rotorhead content anyway!🤣

@mojopy01 3 ай бұрын

with my apache and huey i have never used trim. the hind yes (that thing is like wrestling a buffalo) never tried this in the apache, in the huey i come in hot flare with full rudder spin 180 with nose down and that stops me dead. thanks for the tip

@HeloHounds 3 ай бұрын

You're welcome and thank you! The flight model has become better since this video. Much easier to control now, my new joysticks probably help a lot too.

@mojopy01 3 ай бұрын

@@HeloHounds a good stick helps so much . I was happy when I upgraded

@HeloHounds 3 ай бұрын

@@mojopy01 I hear that! These sticks made a world of difference!

@bulletstop100 5 ай бұрын

I too find the trim bothers me during flight. Nicely done on the stop. I use a lot of what you guys do ,so that I use the delta as it was meant too :D

@HeloHounds 5 ай бұрын

I see Hounds crash and burn all the time, all due to using trim... Either they are resetting during flight and lose control or don't reset it on landing and crash on take off. lol

@talonfox3956 Жыл бұрын

The stop with a sideward slide is also called an "Australian Slide"--not taught in flight school.

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

Works great in most cases, especially with the Hip and Apache from what I've found.

@BalticSea35 11 ай бұрын

Always have controll of your stick

@talonfox3956 Жыл бұрын

Check torque in the upper left of the HDU. Anything over 100% could lead to potential aircraft failure.

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

Yep, I over torque the Apache all the time.

@fonesrphunny7242 Жыл бұрын

If you want your trim theory confirmed, just activate and look at the control overlay? Or simply trim full forwards, pull back on the stick and look at the markings at the base of the cyclic stick? It's VERY easy to verify. I had to reduce pitch and roll saturation to make the Apache less twitchy. Loss of cyclic range is no problem, since I'm (almost sub-consciously) trimming constantly, to be 'hands-off' as much as possible (old Ka-50 habit). And I still don't understand what's supposed to be so confusing about trim. You're just telling the aircraft to hold the stick where you put it.

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

I just got the Ka-50. It is literally the only helicopter I use trim in, that thing will kill you if you don't. 🤣 As for using ut in others... Still don't. Tried it again in the Apache and gor me at least, it makes it unbearable to fly. Quite literally lose all your range in the cyclic.

@fonesrphunny7242 Жыл бұрын

You're too funny! The "problem" in the Ka-50 is the AP trying to actively hold the commanded attitude. If the AP has to do too much work it builds up tension, which gets released immediately when pressing the trim button again. Most common result is a rapid pitch up movement when decelerating. THIS is what kills people and why I always recommend using FD-AP to get started. FD-AP bypasses the strict att hold and only leaves you with SAS, which can also be toggled per channel. It makes the Ka-50 much more predictable and behave more like a regular helicopter (minus the anti torque of course). You wouldn't need trim anymore, although you still would want to trim forward to have a decent hover when putting the stick near neutral. Anyways, the Ka-50 suffers from the same cyclic range issue when trimming and the default AP mode will actively work against you, reducing your max authority even further. Makes the Apache unbearable to fly, but two limiting systems in the Ka-50 are fine? And don't tell me any hard maneuvers would snap the rotors off! :P

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

@Fones R Phunny eell, like I said before, I just got the Ka-50... So when I practice maneuvers in it such as high speeds and coming to a stop as quickly as possible to put it into a hover I quite literally need to rest trim to 0 to get the throw I need to be able to pull the nose up enough.

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

@@fonesrphunny7242 FYI , I never once said there was a "problem" with the Ka-50... Read what is written, not what you want to see. 🤣

@matka5130 Жыл бұрын

@@HeloHounds best thing in Kamov is when you see your blades desintegrate from each other :) :)

@mr.fazeli Жыл бұрын

U didn't crash the reason is ah 64 has some antishock parts in the wheels and disks, when u land hard they break, so the main frame doesn't get damaged.

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

I slammed her pretty hard there. Lpl

@franck-hermanherald4094 Жыл бұрын

Thks for ur comment.. Excactly apache has been made to managed this kind of impact.. Totally true I saw a doc on it.

@michaelac3790 7 ай бұрын

Works good, but a lot harder with 16 Limas and full fuel load 😅

@HeloHounds 7 ай бұрын

Wrong video I was replying to but pretty much same statement I'll have... When I do testing and quick videos such as this with the Apache I just do the Instant Action Runway Start... It's a pretty average loadout.

@HeloHounds 7 ай бұрын

Oh, and why would anyone go with a full fuel load out 99% of any mission you'll ever do? My standard fuel load is 50-60% any time I fly.... Don't typically need more than that.😉

@cre8ive34 Жыл бұрын

I saw it up to 140% Torque😂

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

Yep, she's a tough bird, she can handle it! 😁

@franck-hermanherald4094 Жыл бұрын

No u wrong apache wouldn't be broken just because you touch the ground with the rear but the flanc as well... So one of the front gear bring smoothness to this impact... DCS physic is excactly as the real life... That's gorgeous. Although if u were touching the ground only with the rear like that... Absolutely true ur apache will be broken... DCS is a Sim.. Not a game remember. Tons of ppl play with.. But u can play on everyth.. Depending on what's level of focus and serious u want to put in.... Congrats for this share... I'm chopper pilot too on DCS ❤... And I confirm this is the way to stop chopper in a dangerous environment combat.

@lowlevelheaven 7 ай бұрын

You shud use a helicopter for helicopter training. If you like to learn sailing you do not us an aircraft carrier for doing so. 😂 The Apache? If you follow your video, you hear low RPM, high RPM during simpel fast forward flight. What that is traing to tell you is, that this peace of metal and computer chips don't want to fly all. 😢 But you doing great under that sercimstances. Thanks for your Chanel and promoting helicopters on DCS we are still not that many. 🤠👍

@HeloHounds 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for your input! I was using dual T1600.M joysticks at the time so it made it very hard to keep the collective 100% steady, also the Apache is way too sensitive in those regards anyway. It doesn't really affect forward flight performance (in-game) from overspeeding anyway I don't mind when it happens, unless I'm in a Hover, then you notice.. lol

@lowlevelheaven 7 ай бұрын

@@HeloHounds To be honest, I don't really like the Apache at the moment. I fly it occasionally, and just 2 days ago, it was time again. Even though a lot has improved in the helicopter range of less than 40 knots and less than 300 feet, it is still a disaster. As you say, it reacts far too strongly to inputs, and above all, the fluctuations in rotor speed are difficult to accept and contradict fundamental physics. I had a productive conversation about this with one of the testers, and although he is a former Apache pilot, his statements left me shaking my head. My conclusion from this conversation was that the testers put more ego than physics into the model. Otherwise, I can't explain many things. Considering the stick you used for the video, my respect for your performance increases. I use an EC-135 Cyclic and a UH-1 Collective from Komodo. I don't trim, as this always leads to uncontrollable behavior. But I don't use stabilization systems, either. I am a former CFI-H, and if you want to have your flying skills assessed, we train and test in the squadron according to FAA / PTS-HPL-Private in three levels. Presolo, pre cross country, and PPLH. We call this Airman. You can find out more on our DISCORD on the AIRMAN FT channel. BLACK ANGELS discord.gg/aqwzv2P However, we are in Europe, so it can be challenging to fly with pilots from the USA. But where there's a will, there's a way. Always a good landing My callsign Grizzly

@HeloHounds 7 ай бұрын

@@lowlevelheaven as you can tell by my other videos, we aren't too concerned about the "proper" way to fly these modules. We're here to have fun with somewhat realistic flight characteristics. I know what you mean when you say they are more egocentric than than wanting to improve characteristics as I just recently had a good conversation about the crap damage models the Apache and Blackshark have. They insist they are pretty realistic even though a Huey lasts about as long as those two models in testing against small arms fire. lol

@andrewjackson673 Жыл бұрын

dont sugarcoat it helos are a steeper learning curve if you have pre-established bad video game habits. and i do. oh i can land....not where i want but nearby for sure.

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

Thats hilarious and true!

@tukkeuma8958 Жыл бұрын

I don't know why would anyone fly like that. It's gonna be like 90% change you will crash and ruin your mission.

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

It's only for if you get surprised by something you weren't expecting to be there. Not something a person should be doing as their normal flight routine.

@franck-hermanherald4094 Жыл бұрын

Not excactly if you fly in a contested environment with tons of enemy APC... Manpads... Shilka and others and u need to avoid radar detection from AAA... U would have no choice to fly extremely low at high speed to minimized to exposure time... Trust me this is the best way to stay alive as chopper's pilot.. Even if you think it's a way too dangerous... Practice.. Practice.. And again practice and it's should be fine.. Remember

@KaiTakApproach 11 ай бұрын

That is NOT controlled flight. Lol.

@HeloHounds 11 ай бұрын

Sure it is. Not the initial, no, but the second attempt damaged was.

@KaiTakApproach 11 ай бұрын

@@HeloHounds I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but if you are, I like you.

@_Hotaru__ Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/appjoqmU382YhKM.html 100kts is not slow lol.

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

What I was talking about was the slow, gradual stop to hover. What was that, 45-50 seconds to come into a hover?

@_Hotaru__ Жыл бұрын

@@HeloHounds kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mJh8qc2m3q3FnZs.html at 4:06 you had god mode on. i've got a heavier loadout on this video, it can be done but not like a littlebird AH-6J/M .you took 14 seconds to stop and "died". i took 13 seconds more but safely stopped (27seconds) i killed my self on purpose to show i was not using god mode. A fall like that would result you losing your blades, specially at that higher angle = re-slot.

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

@Hotaru (ほたる) nope. Not at all. And I have the standard load out the caucuses instant action start on runway gives.

@_Hotaru__ Жыл бұрын

@@HeloHounds i know. i got mine heavier on the video i posted . fly safe!

@HeloHounds Жыл бұрын

Furthermore, who needs God mode? I could have just redone the video or edited the crash out, but I need to show the pitfalls that can happen pulling off these types of maneuvers too. This must be you Casmo, love your content. In no way shape or form a dig on you, I know you're thoroughly explaining while you fly. As for real Apache not being able to do that, I'm sure that's true. Nut the game Apache does as shown in video.