monkey :)

I love how Po and Tigress relationship was never romanticize. Showing that having respect, understanding, and empathy toward someone doesn't mean you'll fall in love with them, like most movie dynamics.

Monkey has exactly seven lines in Kung Fu Panda 1 and i gotta assume that was mainly because Jackie Chan was too expensive

I always liked the Furious Five, they may not be the most interesting characters in the Kung Fu Panda Universe, but they are defintly a highlight in the movies they are in, especially 2.

Regarding Tigress, I think the main reason she wanted to be the Dragon Warrior is because she saw it as a way to earn Shifu's love. She knows that Shifu is only distant out of fear that Tigress will become another Tai Lung, so she thinks that by actually earning that title, their relationship will change.

It always disappoints me a bit when ppl dismiss the Furious Five as just being 'there' when they're actually so much more than just "Po's teammates". The Nick TV show definitely gives them more screentime/lore/characterization and I love it, the dynamic and comradery they have is so nice and refreshing to watch.

I hate how fans always say "They never developed the Furious Five", like everyone just collectively forgot how IMMACULATE the teamwork dynamic is in the second movie, and they even incorporate each other and Po's fighting styles into their animations and choreography. Compare this to the first movie where everyone thought Po was a joke and resented him for taking what they thought was their title (except Viper). So basically we get visual storytelling to indicate that they actually respect Po enough not only to fight alongside them, but also to adapt their fighting styles to work in tandem with his.

I wish the Furious Five had more development or characterization. Tigress was the best developed character in 2, but I feel like they were sidelined a bit. I feel if they were to make another trilogy in the first place, I feel like they should've focused on the Furious Five considering how little they do in the narrative.

What you said about added backstory not necessarily affecting your enjoyment of a character was spot on. Think about the large casts of characters in films like Encanto or Toy Story. Not all of them have the same levels of depth or complexion, but even though the narratives could theoretically work without them, the overall experience simply wouldn't feel the same.

Furious five with Shifu have always been my favourite part of these films and I can't understand how they could just leave them out.. This story won't be the same story without furious five.

the detailed contextualization of the hug between Tigress and Po made me appreciate the scene so much more that I teared up rewatching it. What a gut-wrenching and heartfelt scene.

The po and tigress thing is honestly just shipping. People like romance, and that's ok. We can have male and female relationships that are non romantic in media, and people can ship those characters at the same time. It doesn't take away the value of the cannon and doesn't set those types of relationships in media back.

You sound like a younger Schaffrillas

Ngl as a kid Viper definitely awakened something in me Weirdest part is I didn’t even grow up to be a furry. It’s just this one character and a few others

Thank you so much for asking me to cameo in this video!!! Your analysis of each of these characters was so passionate and detailed. I loved getting to be a small part of it and speak on an issue that’s quite important to me.

Short answer on why they are noy explored: celebrity casting si expensive and if they changed voice actors people would scream "BUT IT IS NOT HER VOICE"

po literally wanted to marry a goat on legend of awesomeness so how can it be any weirder in tigress case? for me they work as a couple, but i like to see them as friends to and even as a family since they're two orphans who found eachother they work as evreything and in a way that is so entertaining why couldn't we get to see more of them in kfp4 BRUH

The first sentence is too true, peaches was a bop and I was glued to my seat when he started singing at the end of KFP4

I think the reason people shipped Po with Tigress was because in the legends of awesomeness spin off show that’s not canon had plenty of interspecies ships Po had a crush on a snow leopard girl named Song Mantis had an ex girlfriend who was a butterfly Crane had a crush on a pig girl Monkey had a crush on a bunny girl and later had a crush on an Ibex girl who was in love with Po Po had to marry a goat girl at one point Mr. Ping briefly dated a Scorpion villain Some elderly goat had feelings for Mr. Ping but he didn’t love her back Shifu had an ex girlfriend named Mei Ling who was a fox Tigress had a crush on a prawn samurai named Yijiro who loves her back Tigress had a crush on a vigilante called the midnight stranger who was actually Po in disguise and she stopped crushing on him when she learned his true identity Tigress at one point had a crush on Shifu (gross)

I knew it! That’s the same director that ruined The Lego Movie 2, and he’s just a hack who rehashed Shrek in ANY DreamWorks movie to EVER pull the “From The Creators Of Shrek” card!

It's wild how much hate Disney got last year and now it's Dreamworks' turn. Not a big DW guy, but someone said that their fandom is kinda weird since DW mostly makes "meh" movies and when they make a great one, the fandom acts like it's the greatest studio.

Excellent analysis of Furious Five characters and how they affected the story of the 3 movies. Hats off to Dreamworks' writers that made them part of Po's family and true friends. They are written well so every viewer can relate to them in one way or another. I was and still am quite upset they were not in KFP4. It feels like the movie lost its soul. Everyone felt something was missing in KFP4 because these 5 characters became an integral part of Po. Instead, we got a replacement, Zhen, who didn't get enough development to care about her. All in all, I hoped in KF4 and the next movies we would see more of Furious Five. We have an unexplored past of Tigress why she ended up at an orphanage so many years, which may have been the source of the plot and her struggle to find her inner peace (it could deepen her platonic relationship with Po further). I can't help but I'm curious about what she could do in inner peace mode considering Po threw cannonballs ha. When I watched Po and Tigress interact it was subtle enough the writers could have written a mature and satisfying romantic thread. By the third movie, the foundations for the natural progression of the relationship was there. Up to writers if they want to keep it platonic or not. For that, I agree, Po would have to be allowed by the writers to mature more to get very serious when he needs to (this could be useful for his character development as well - getting more mature in his behavior). I wouldn't want them to be really expressive about their romantic feelings either, It'd have worked the best if it was subtle. However, I also wouldn't mind them remaining close friends either. If Dreamworks were concerned about the cost of the voice actors, this would be the moment to replace them for KFP5 and 6. Actors like Angelina Jolie are too expensive for their celebrity status. In my country, there are people who do voice acting professionally and they're not celebrities thus when I hear KFP characters in my native language I do believe that's exactly how they'd have sounded irl.

I would absolutely watch “why kfp3 is my favourite of the trilogy”

I just love Craine He always was my favorite and i was salty that he wasnt more of a character He is just a birdy doing his stuff The way he fights is really cool its not that "thing that can fly only flights in flying circels around the enemy" The furious five are just great lovely Video : ) monkey

I can take or leave Po and Tigress becoming romantic, but I don't see how there's anything wrong with their developing understanding and empathy, which has clearly lead to love, further leading to romance. Some people may be indifferent to the prospect of romance, but to the vast majority, romance is a wonderful thing, a beautiful aspect of life. I think it's important to embrace that, it's something to be cherished and acknowledged as vital to human happiness and fulfillment, and humanity's continued existence. If anything, in contemporary stories there seems to be far too much hesitation to let romance blossom, especially between characters of the opposite sex. Instead, there's a tendency to place platonic relationships on a pedestal above romantic ones. Romantic love is a journey, one that leads to discovery and growth for those involved. It leads to your own evolution as an individual on a deeper level than platonic love does, romantic love is the basis of discovering what you become when you form the deepest, more intimate of connections with someone you love. It's a sacred bond that becomes the most profound, powerful, motivating, inspiring relationship in your life, as typically seen in the commitment between spouses. Which then leads to the next step in your evolution... Parenthood. For most, the greatest joy that life can possibly offer you. Now, that's not to downplay friendship, or the power of platonic love. Platonic love, like all forms of sincere love, is PROFOUNDLY powerful, and platonic bonds can be incredibly impactful and important. Friendship is also a very wonderful thing. But in my assessment, romantic love is certainly more so. But again, in Po and Tigress' case, I can take or leave them becoming romantic, since they're not just friends, but comrades and confidantes. Their relationship is multifaceted, and stands as a testament to the power that empathy and compassion can have in cultivating understanding and love, forming strong bonds even between the most dissimilar of people, and that relying on others, as well as accepting the responsibility of being relied on with all you have, leads to a wellspring of strength for both to tap into. Although I must admit, I do find Angelina Jolie's idea of Po and Tigress having tiger-panda babies adorable, and seeing how they act as parents would be severely awesome.

When i was younger i didnt understand why Poh and Tigress weren't in relationships, i mean, there are so many couples without half of their chemistry that do get together, but now i do understand, because i found a Poh in my life which is my best friend, i could never date him and he could never date me, dont get me wrong, we understand eachother better than anyone but... our love is so platonic and came so naturally that we never thought of eachother as a possible romantic choice

I think the Five aren't as necessary in the third film for the same reason I think most people see Kai as the weakest villain of the trilogy: they are required to make it an action film. If you place most of the focus on Po and his two dads, it becomes more about a film about learning about heritage rather than identity (which was already established in the second film).

FINALLY somebody is giving the 3rd one its due credit for being an amazingly awesome film. People compare it to the previous 2 and have it automatically set below them but really it's so beautiful that it's got its own place.

18:59 And so the shipping wars begin. 😂 Anyways this video is great. Furious Five are definitely what made Kung Fu Panda great.

0:18 Oh dam I wasn't expecting that and I comptelely agree, Mario Movie is mostly a string of refernces rather than a meaningful story using characters related to mario. it has something in the begging with luigi but he gets left away somewhere else where he doesn't interact with his brother enough.

i would like to listen to your thoughts on kfp3, i hate that movie so much 😭well, compared to the first two for me it was very dissapointing

tbf F5's voice cast, I assume, is expensive AF, lucy lio? jackie chan? freaking angelina jolie?

Great video! You have pretty good points honestly, they really deserve more. Something that I think doesn’t really make sense is that people act like they had 0 seconds of screen time in the 4th one but they’re literally in the end doing stuff at least, even if it’s not much lol

Really good use of academic quotes and analysis to look at these characters I tend to overlook. I totally forgot how much character Crane has despite never being particularly prominent.

I love this trilogy ❤️ its my favorite of DreamWorks' trilogies! The consistent quality of all 3 movies is incredible!

All of the Five could've been used to draw parallels to Tai Lung, but they mostly just did so with Tigress. All of these people trained so hard to be a master at kung fu, only for the savior of their people to (seemingly) be accidentally someone who literally fell out of the sky. Monkey being the least broken up about not being chosen says to me that he never expected to be chosen, anyway. Why is that? Does he have imposter syndrome as well? Does he feel inferior to the rest of the Five? Is that why he's so quickly won over by Po? Is that why he uses comedy as a mask? There's so much potential with the Five. I wish the sequels had capitalized on it

Don’t we all

Great video! The first 3 movies are my favorite animated films. I feel like it all comes down to money. The voice actors were just too expensive for them. It's a shame. The fourth movie would have been a chance to send them off if they really can't afford to have them in the next films.

Regardless of whatever your head-canons may be, no one can convince me that Tigress would EVER willingly date Po. That sounds wayyy out of character.

I feel like saying that interspecies relationships would be weird in kung fu panda is a poor and strange point. Why wouldnt they be normal? It'd have strange implications if they werent... otherwise awesome video!!!

i LOVED this video so much as a kfp autist tysm.

My thing with not liking the Po x Tigress ship doesn’t even have anything to do with them being different species making it weird. I think that it would be fine if different species got together in the Kung Fu Panda world, I just don’t think Po and Tigress have any romantic chemistry, and a lot more platonic chemistry, and I love that they are just great friends and nothing more. Edit: 26:35 - 28:35 YES!! My thoughts exactly!

27:57 Wow who's that, she has a really nice voice!

The furious five need their own show/movie

Thank you.

My man still has the sauce

Is odd why cut them ? I know hard put lot screen time But kong fu panda 5 need be them old and fox in 4 bit older time travel

totally!!

literally the only reason i wanted to see the new film was for the furious five 😭 nevermind

Wait. Was that a Warcraft reference spotted?

Tbf,i think the reason why i always liked the kung fu pand animeted show is because it actually gives the furious five some solid development and relationship within eachoter and Po -Surely,it's better than the megamind show-

You should listen to the balled of Hollywood Jack & his cover of wicked game, I feel they show his musical talent really well Edit* By him I mean jack black, the band is called Tenacious D

I wonder if Po can do a ninja roll

25:04 What the hell was that? Did she wipe around so fast that dust blew away or did she release fucking conquers haki at po?

Not you using Teenage Dream as background when talking about shipping :3

I miss Viper

low key might be 12 year old me misinterpreting but didn't crane like tigress?

It's sad that the Furious five are being pushed way so much, I know having the five all the time can get boring but more even more adventure with them in film would be great. Also, I don't get the interspecies argument, why would it be awkward, she loves a shrimp in legend of awesomeness. I agree that Male and Felame friendships should be normalised though.

I am always gonna maintain that Po and Tigress don't need a romantic relationship but you really lost me with the 'they couldnt because interspecies would be weird'. There's nothing to suggest that that's a boundary in any of the films, especially with both Po and Tai Lung being adopted by someone not of their species. I dunno! The point felt half baked to me.

Did not age very well

Its not a man and woman thing, its just a shipping thing🙄. People would do this if Tigress was a dude and had a lot of chemistry with Po too so its pretty dishonest to say its just cause they are a man and a woman and dismiss actual reasons. I mean that dismisses the HUGE culture within shipping SPECIFICALLY about shipping same sex characters and headcannoning sexualities and genders. And then to go on and say the "why cant people be friends" is mostly used for LGBT characters, come on now. NO, its used in terms of ANY shipping for the longest time and not "mostly" for lgbt pairs, thats just not true. Also again dismissing THE REASON people would say that ISN'T just cause the couple is LGBT but usually because the character has a confirmed sexuality(and just in case I'll make it clear that the sexuality isnt just heterosexual btw. Its sometimes about using that when it comes to 1 or more lgbt characters too), the characters dont have much chemistry, people just personally like them as friends or some people just dont like shipping. Most of the reasons dont simply rely on "they are the same sex or lgbt, no bueno must deny". I dunno, that part of the video was the weakest, most disingenuous and dismissive of the actual topic. Not saying you needed to go in painstaking detail but I feel like you let your bias of thinking they make more sense or are better as platonic guide how you presented this simply in a way you could dismiss other factors/arguments/reasons and the other side nearly entirely to easily argue for your point against it. Like you could have argued your opinion of just liking it being platonic without bringing up the other sides views and arguments but dismissing the more common resonses and reasons, and just not presenting them fairly. Practically inserting implied bigotry and prejusice for.......some reason. It just makes your argument weak and feels more like degrading the opposition for your point of view. Dont think you intentionally intended to do that, aim just sharing how it kinda came off Good video overall but that last part with Tigress was not very good and easily the weakest part of your video.

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I'm glad you're talking about them separately And not togethe And not together. Because I would like to know. Because I wanted to know. What you would say about them. Separately

I like Po x Tigress. But I also like them as friends. Nothing is wrong with romance

In Defense Of Kung Fu Panda 4: Animation is excellent, the fights are extremely well animated - choreographed. THE MUSIC IS GREAT. THE MESSAGE about being complacent with who you are - will make it hard to accept change. One Cannot Be A Better Version Of Themselves Tomorrow Without Changing For The Better Today. I loved Po's development in this film -- as humans - we don't just grow past bad habits, we relapse, we go back in development of ourselves after we take a step further. THAT'S PO'S DEVELOPMENT IN THIS FRANCHISE. That's the way humans develop. Voice Acting was GREAT ZHEN's development was...MUCH better than I expected. She was genuinely played well by Awkwafina who gets WAY too much hate for just being the actress she is. ZHEN's chemistry with Po was well done and it's a character, personality wise that I don't believe we've ever seen Po be around. Their dynamic was fun and interesting to watch. HOWEVER, yes THE CHAMELEON is a GREAT villain concept, in theory but in terms of execution of this villain - DreamWorks, specifically the writers and Mike Mitchell could've done better, explored her past of getting rejected more WITH VISUALS like Tai-Lung, Shen, AND General Kai. I will add however, that The Chameleon was more well fleshed out "motivation-wise" then General Kai. We may have gotten phenomenal fight scenes, excellent voice acting, and a kickass score from Kai but we never got a solid REASON - MOTIVATION as to why he wanted to steal everyone's Chi. However, The Chameleon LITERALLY explains her motivation to Po towards the end battle. So, The Chameleon is technically more well developed then Kai, but definitely not as well-fleshed out as Tai Lung, let alone Lord Shen. COULD'VE PUT THE FURIOUS FIVE IN! The Furious Five not being in this film for me is definitely what holds it back from being an EXCELLENT film the most. It's a SOLID film - without a shadow of a doubt, BUT Tigress should've been developed in this film. We very well should've gotten more personal development between her relationship with Po, that has been built up throughout the last three films. As for feeling like she should've been chosen as The Dragon Warrior. I don't believe that Tigress or the REST of The Furious Five feel the NEED to be The Dragon Warrior, nor the desire due to growing past being jealous of Po being it in the first film. I feel like it not going to one of is just consistent with their development. In-Any-Case - they'll be back for Kung Fu Panda 5 - and be in damn-near the forefront of the film according to Mike Mitchell. Mike Mitchell has said that seeing the Five in the ending of this film, is meant to lead us directly into the next film with The Five. Also, apparently Mike Mitchell is the BIGGEST advocate for a Furious Five Film -- according to Co-Director -- Stephanie Ma-Shine. Super Excited To See KFP5. Now LASTLY - about Lord Shen and Kai bowing down to Po after he defeated The Chameleon. Tai-Lung had realized he was wrong in the first film after he sees The Dragon Scroll is empty but just continued to fight Po out of anger. HE KNEW PO WAS RIGHT, AND DOES NO ONE THINK THAT ALL THIS TIME THE SPIRIT REALM MAKES CHARACTERS GROW? - Lord Shen also DEVELOPED, in the last moments of the second film - he asks Po, how did you do it? Stating that he took away his parents, everything. I scared you for life. And Po responds with you got to let go of that stuff from the past cuz it just doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is who you choose to be now. And Lord Shen chose his fate, BUT one the boat collapses due to Po - Shen fighting, he ACCEPTS his own fate. Going from there and having time to reflect on your actions in The Spirit Realm, one can safely assess that Lord Shen definitely respects Po, due to how surprised and impressed Lord Shen was about Po finding inner peace. It's IN Kung Fu Panda 2. We can clearly see Shen would respect Po after he won against not just his weapons, but against all the trauma Lord Shen put him and all the remaining pandas. So, the villain respect scene which is a clear homage to the first film - is actually consistent with the three main villains' character growth. To Sum All Of This Up: Kung Fu Panda 4 is NOT as masterfully well done as Kung Fu Panda, let alone Kung Fu Panda 2. It's humor is better placed and more well done than Kung Fu Panda 3. Also the fights are just almost the best they've ever been. As a movie - Kung Fu Panda 4 is EXTREMELY GOOD - even GREAT at times but the lack of The Furious Five hurt every aspect of the film and The Chameleon being under utilized definitely bring the movie down. It's definitely extremely good but not as good as it could've been. ----- The Furious Five are going to be in MUCH more of Kung Fu Panda 5 - confirmed by Mike Mitchell.

honestly it makes me real happy that po and tigress' relationship is platonic, i feel like platonic relationships are not really well explored and as someone who does not feel comfortable with romance yet is everywhere is something that i always appreciated as a child, and also something that made me see that platonic relationships can be just as deep and well rounded as romantic ones, it made me real happy idk

you insists theres more to TIgress than just being Pos love interest, yet you spent the whole segment complaining that people ship them.. nothing in canon implies theres anything romantic between them, why would you dedice this whole segment to this

'promosm' 😠

Dude, they’ve been gone for ONE movie. They’ve been there 75% of the time and their characters aren’t even that interesting. Calm down.