Man utd did it on a shoe string budget is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard in a football debate

‘United can’t compete with States’ my bro utd literally spend the most money in the league

"United did it on a shoe string budget" absolute bs 😂

Man City won a major trophy before all the teams sitting at this table. The Fa cup. City are also one of the oldest clubs in the country. There’s rich history even if people decide to ignore it

Are we going to ignore how united & arsenal have a higher net spend than city in the last decade?

If Pep went to Man United or Chelsea in 2016 instead of Man City, Man United or Chelsea would be dominating too imo. Those 2 clubs spend as much if not more than City imo.

Saying you don’t hate city is ironic looking at frustrated when you speak of them😂😂😂😂

The United fan saying “we can’t compete” when they spend just as much is laughable 😂

If Newcastle, Arsenal, Liverpool, or Manchester United were in Manchester City's current position, would this be a topic? And before anyone says heritage this and that elitist stuff, if the objective is to be fair to the teams with less money (or other leagues as KG said), then shouldn't the focus on FFP be instituting a salary cap or ensuring everyone spends the exact amount per season? But of course that won't happen. Once Abramovich did what he did in 2003, everyone should have seen this coming. Doesn't make it fair, but let's not act like money doesn't rule the world in every aspect. And event if they get rid of Manchester City, there will be another Manchester City. Chelsea spending 600 million in one window should be a bigger story, because that proves it is not just about spending money. If City have cooked the books, then let's also discuss the bigger issue, why the hell did the English FA allow that to happen for so long? That screams incompetence on the part of the English FA. Sticky sticky situation.

Neutral here. 6 weeks ago everyone at the table was saying Arsenal had won the title. It’s not pep’s fault Arsenal bottled it. Discrediting greatness always just looks bitter. Guardiola also inherited a slightly underperforming team who’d most recently finished 4th I believe and one which had a lot of players at the tail end of their career like Sagna etc and rebuilt it with young technical players most of which are still there today

Man City are playing a higher standard of football and at the same time tougher competitors. It’s tough to take when you don’t support them; but, can’t take it away from them. Exceptional coach, players. No doubt.

Nothing annoys me more than when True Geordie says Pep inherited a title winning side. he started with a good side but it was an ageing side with the likes of Zaba, Clichy Yaya. The club is better

UTD won 5 in 6 and no one was having this conversation when we did it

The only elite level team pep inherited was bayern munich in 2013. Barca and City had a lot of deadwood when Pep came in at the time.

These tears are pretty good. As a City fan, this actually feels good. I never thought I would care that people actually feel something about City. I've been told for years that nobody cares about my club, but here we are:). Imagine these guys talking about how they feel about us winning the league, if only you knew how it felt lol :)) You just feel the opposite, we are on your MIND!!!

What consistently annoys with me this whole discussion is the lack of realization & acknowledgement that Pep fucking Guardiola is the difference not the money, this feeling of helplessness is because of the football they play on the pitch which cannot and has not been replicated by any other manager, nothing more nothing else. it disgust me to even hear Man Utd or Chelsea cannot compete, you CAN compete financially you just can't in the dugout that is the difference, this is the difference between having one of the best managers situated for 7+ years compared to switching one out every season, where is the sustainability? where is the joint thinking when you consistently swap out managers?A dynasty isn't built off the back of multiple managers it's built off one, when his barca side played this level of football you all said it was a 2 team league he couldn't do it in England, when he came to England you all doubled down even more and said he definitely couldn't do it, 7 years later now you're all crying? Imagine thinking he wouldn't have won Multiple League titles if he had spent the same amount of money & time Klopp has spent at Liverpool, what else do you want? he even went with a false 9 for 2 seasons, you idiots still couldn't catch up, he then reups this summer with Haaland and here come the water works again. It's utterly embarrassing. THE DIFFERENCE IS PEP. No other manager demands this level of excellence, he is a standard and ceiling raiser, did it Barca do you think Madrid went crying? No they fucking got 100 points. If you understood who Pep is and the impact of what Johan Cryuff did a Barca as a manager and how that impacted Pep you would understand what he has done for City and would draw parallels. This is not a debate give every single World Class manager in World Football a blank canvass and the same amount of money to build a First XI and Pep would have the best, put those teams in a League Pep's own would have the most points and most wins. HIS FOOTBALL IS THE DIFERENCE. That is what renders you hopeless on the pitch. CAPICHE?

City before Pep came won 2 titles but there was still a sense of competition. The real reason they have been so dominant is just Pep. And the only reason Liverpool have been their best competitors for the last 5 years is Klopp.

Man City not having glory supporters is such a weird thing to have against them

This myth that Pep inherited a world class team. That team finished 4th behind Leicester , Arsenal and Spurs. Lets look at some of the players he had Joe Hart, Zabaleta 32, Sagna 34 Kolarov 31, Yaya Toure 34 ,Jesus Navas 31. Along with an ageing injury prone Kompany and Aguero. Not really a world class team.

It's not City's fault, other teams spend as much as City but they are not as good, if a team is well managed, it's not their fault.

Don’t blame man city now because you bottled a 8 point lead

Liverpool dominated a lot in the 70s and 80s, United won 13 leagues from 1993-2013, this is another era and it’s City’s but it’s Pep’s City! Not to say they will completely fall off when he leaves, but we will see a big difference

Imagine a united, Newcastle, Chelsea fan saying they can't compete against city. The irony.

Guardiola didn’t inherit the best team at Manchester City, nor at Barcelona. This is a myth.

As a city fan it doesn’t matter how other fans feel, as long as me and our other fans have our own special feeling and enjoying it that’s all that matters

Man City haven't broken the league. If you compare to France and Germany (broken leagues) look at the net spend and turnover each season compared to other teams and then look at the points gap each season between first and second. The Premier league is still very competitive

Everytime you guys talk about City it’s just negativity. It’s tiring to be honest. If they are found innocent I hope your apology will be as loud as your misguided disrespect (but we all know it won’t be)

Everyone else has to raise their game & ambitions, it's as simple as that. When other extremely rich owners are looking to buy clubs in the league, don't knock it, it gives other clubs a fighting chance. The EPL is miles ahead of the rest of the European leagues in terms of interest & entertainment.

Pep is like 3rd in net spend since he came to PL what are man waffling about 😂😂😂

(Neutral here) So many on the table seem bitter. City have spent big as all teams wish they could however they spent well. Bought a lot of unknown players but Haaland and Grealish. It seems like they spend big on players that other big teams aren’t going for to ensure they get them. They turn those players into world class players. Pep is the difference. Peps tachtical approach is unmatched. So many teams who spent big prove that. A bunch of bitter dudes trying to justify their teams inability to compete with city. “I do think Pep leaving will change things” is probably the most true thing said. That statement sums up the dominance City have. Man U spent A LOT and yet can’t get it together. PSG spend big in their league and still can’t get it together, Munich this season has and looks like they won’t win the league, Chelsea spent loads and loom at them. The money is a factor but still so much more to do to have this dominance.

The fact that Geordie is the main man pushing this narrative, but will become a hypocrite if Newcastle win a league title

Did these guys hear what their mouths were saying? United were dominating on a shoe string budget?? They were the richest club about at the time and when united came calling to other clubs for players they had to give them up as they couldn't compete. They bought Rio Ferdinand for a record price to mention one example. Liverpool were dominant in the 80s, United were dominant in the 90s and 00s and now it's City. They to will see their demise and another club will have a run of titles. So to be saying City are ruining football is laughable.

The Chelsea fan thinking it's a bit different bc they were in the top four is missing the point. Same with them talking about how its different bc City maybe dont have the same support outside of some other clubs. This gatekeeping it funny and its exactly why I like when these new teams beat the old guard.

In the last 28 premier league seasons the winner reaching 93+ points has only happened 6 times and 5 of those have been in the last 7 seasons.

Fact is there is stupid money at many teams, look how much Chelsea and United have spent too, ultimately Pep is just a level above all other coaches in the game. Sure he's had extra cash, but this level of dominance shouldn't happen with the money rivals also spend, so its all Pep.

The spending thing is a complete fallacy. Chelsea have spent 600m since their takeover. It’s all about strategy and coaching. City sold Sterling, Jesus and Zinchenko. Their net spend the last few years is actually quite low.

"We can't compete" Utd have spent the most money of the top 6 and have NOTHING to show for it Keep crying

You can't compare the reaction of fans who have won 5 of 6 league trophies to clubs who haven't won it in decades. The way they look at clubs, you can't win anything unless you have history. So those clubs get to keep winning. Aristocracy attitude at its finest.

It’s not even kids anymore, I’m 20 now and I’ve grown in a time where Arsenal have been quite irrelevant in terms of winning anything I have no animosity against them. It’s just how things go

People say about Utd winning it all back in the day, the difference in this era is that teams literally don't even try against City. Bend over, take the loss, remember how to play football again the following week.

If arsenal won the league this wouldnt even be an argument but then arsenal bottled it The copium is mad

I have loved city since 1992. Went to the kipax last stand. Opening of new kipax against Tottenham. Went to end of era Maine road and many Eastlands matches. It's great being a blue!

Was wondering when Brian’s annual moan about how Man City are ruining the Premier League would come out. Wonder if he’ll do the same about Newcastle in a few years time when they’re dominating. 🤨

Forget the financial side for a moment, because all of the big 6 clubs can spend and we all know it. Look at the football side instead. Pep guardiola is a tactical genius. He has made mancity team a dominance force in football. The players mostly don't know what goes on behind the scenes, their only responsibility is to play the game, and they have done their job quite well. Man United has also spent over a billion euros over the last decade, have they won a single league title in that period? No. As a neutral in this whole matter, I think it is stupid to put Mancity's success on their finances and forget the hardwork their manager, players and technical staff has done.

Ffp rules only benefit the clubs earring the biggest money as they will always be able to outspend everyone else, if a owner can afford to buy a player then they should be allowed to

The main reason for the domination is obivously PEP. He is a generational manager, who doesn't come around often. After Pep leaves city, yes they will be top contenders but will surely not be a this dominating for sure. Till Pep is in City. I guess its just enjoying the football. Also, on the point on City fanbase growing, on international market they are having a huge boom. They are the fastest growing club by a huge margin.

I can’t believe the incompetence of premier league clubs is being blamed on Man city. It’s all Pep and the front office they should be given credit.

When you combine unlimited funds with excellence you get Man City. It’s more than money let’s be real. If you take their whole setup and applied to say a United, Liverpool or arsenal no one would bat an eyelid.

Don’t blame city, we’re winning comfortably cos all your clubs are poorly run and not performing - united have spent more than city

These comments show the level of delusion on this table, everyone agreeing they aren't giving Pep and City enough credit. The amount of salt coming from rival fans even tho 'nobody cares about City'

Its not just currency inflation its transfer market inflation. KDB whos probably the best Prem midfielder ever was bought for 50m 8 years ago, today Caicedo is going for 115m. Man Utd fans live in a state of delusion, Sir Alex had financial dominance for most of his glory days, he broke the british transfer record 3 times in 15 months.

even as a united fan i cant say anything but total respect to city. they buy 50-60m players and turn them into superstars. grealish 100m was them stepping outside of their own model. pep is outstanding but we will be back

People forget that Man Utd we’re a big spending club also. No other club could of naught Ferdinand for £30M Rooney ect ect those figures were huge during that time

Wow so when utd does it no one cares but when city does it “oh we are ruining the epl” the irony 🙄

Pep inherited an old peoples home. Sagna 33, kolarov 30, clichy 31, Fernandinho 31, David silva 30, Navas 30, Zabaleta 31, Yaya Toure 33, Kompany 30, Caballero 34, Nasri 29, Aguero 28 Joe hart 29. You might not like Pep or city, but please try to have balanced arguments. Discussing City without one of their fans present to at least pushback on your claims is amateurish.

The “money” excuse for your own club being shitty is getting old . Every other top club has been doing some shocking business over the past decade

There have been more different winners of the league since city’s first title than during the first decade of the league.

Chelsea broke waaaaaaaaay more rules and even saw their sentence reduced. So talking about City is a bit weird. Do it in Chronological order.

He's deluded that Chelsea fan. If Abramovich didn't come in. Chelsea would've never won a title

The only difference between Abrahamovich Chelsea and UAE Man City is that the owner did not just go and played football manager. The ownership understood to hire a proper President, Director of Football. The owner did not just go and played football manager. Also the Chelsea fan can't talk when you were allowed to spend too much w/out FPP still Abrahamovich mismanaged and wanted to play football manager.

When Liverpool fans were telling you this over the past few years, people would just call us bottlers etc when in another time with our recent points totals we would have won 3 titles in the last 4 years.

United won loads and were able to buy all the best players...Rooney, Ferdinand etc. Were they ruining football...of course not. Over the last 5 years City are in 10th place in the transfer spending league.

Am I missing something? Financials were published recently. City is 5th in spending in Europe over the last 5 years with both Man U and Chelsea ahead of them and Liverpool marginally behind them…

City have spent over £600 M on defenders alone so i ask the City fans how are rivals supposed to compete with that when they compare Utd and others !! Pep's so called exceptional legacy came with a £2 BILLION price tag !!

Big up Geordie for brining KG 👏

Where can I find the long form audio podcast

I have a serious question, isn’t this united fan the same guy from Ted lasso (one of the 3 fans of richmond that hang out at the pub)? I genuinely want an answer because they look identical

Why is it a problem when City do it but not Utd? In the last 10 years 5 different teams have won the PL. When Utd were on top only 3 teams won the league over a decade. This isn't the Bundesliga so get a grip. Be interesting to see if Geordie still thinks this is an issue in a few years if Newcastle are in the same position as City 😂🤡

It's simple every club needs to raise their ambitions and hope they get endlessly rich owners, who can build that infrastructure P. S. City did not win this season bc they were miles ahead, they just have the best depth

After Bhavs said SHOESTRING BUDGET.. I had to switch off. How many times did United break the UK transfer record during Fergie's tenure? Bhavs has to be like 18 or 19 years old with a take like that

Funny how geordie all of a sudden wants clubs to be able to spend as much as they can. What could be his motive for this.

Man city hasn’t broken the premier league the Premeire league is rigged and who doesn’t choose to acknowledge that is sleeping real deep And as it relates to the inflation it started with PSG and Neymar from Barcelona and man United paying 90 million for Pogba let’s be honest

if city are breaking the prem what did united do under fergie lol prems always been overrated

Chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak (city chairman) "I will 𝗻𝗼𝘁 accept for this club to be used as a diversionary tactic on poor investment decisions from other clubs. We've managed ourselves" Simple.

10 years time newcastle win 3 leagues “Newcastle have done this without the money”

They've broken the Premier league rules, that's for sure

Newcastle even bought Man City former sporting director and building their model after City.

Arsenal fan here but I don't want city to stop what they are doing, other teams need to step the fuck up.

United fan : “we can’t compete” / Reality : United since 2013 has spent 1.4 billion

Acting like chelsea isn't as or even more egregious as far as spending goes is laughable.

to say utd did it on a shoestring budget is utter madness 😂 too many people who don’t know anything about football are given opinions

"I don't remember them", well you better get used to us because we here to stay..

Nation-owned clubs that are allowed to cook the books completely change the dynamics. Traditional ownership can’t compete when a country can dump billions into a club without blinking an eye.

If FFP worked like it was supposed to, United would have ten more league titles.

United broke the british transfer record before Roman arrived

FFP is there for united Liverpool and arsenal as the ‘big clubs’ to stay at the top and no one to challenge them. Why can’t an owner take a palace or a wolves and take them to win the league

Full podcast ?

No reason to compare net spend since 2008, the Abu Dhabi purchase, or since Guardiola took over. Man Utd or Chelsea didn't start spending in 2008. For the last 5 years, Man C net spend puts them 7th and has only one player in the top ten most expensive players in Europe. UEFA investigated Man C spending and their findings were overturned by a court of law. In fact, a UEFA agency oversaw Man C's sponsorship deals.

It's not what you spend..... Its who you spend it on.

Hit the nail on the head when he said some clubs are being run as an efficient business. They were never intended to be "efficient businesses", they were (mostly) formed to give working people something to break up the monotony of working. Something to look forward to at the weekend. The introduction of Sky broadcasting money in the 90's and the formation of the premier league broke football in this country, closely followed by the Bosman ruling that shattered all semblance of a wage structure. The game is now about how much money you have which then allows you to buy the players that are able to con the referees and VAR most efficiently. The game as it once was is long dead.

Come on. Pep had simply taken the mental game to another level. Other coaches just need to catch up. It's not just about the money. We are Liverpool spent very little but have competed with City for quite a while.

Its more to do with how the club is managed... How the money is spent..... There are many clubs spending similar numbers to City... When Pep leaves it throws a spanner in the works... (But I dont see him leaving for a longg time).

Blackburn in the 90s was the initial blueprint for buying the league, the teams since then have just been able to execute it better.

We can say that city have an unfair advantage financially but in reality it is difficult to perform even with loads of money, Man Utd have the money and have been spending equal if not more money and still coming up short, although city resources are questionable at best, you have to admit that they have a really good board with amazing staff and vision that made them quite efficient with their money, I believe Arsenal could have won the PL if any manager was in Guardiola's place same goes for Liverpool in the last 4-5 years which is why they want to keep him for as long as possible, I think ManC + Pep combination is what broke the PL not the club alone, a guardiola departure would bring competition back (even tho they would still be favourites), the real issue is how the PL is breaking European football where European giants can't compete financially with mid-table premiere league clubs.

Speaking as if city have already been proven guilty, what? Besides that Chelsea arsenal and United have spent more than city so someone tell me where’s the unfair advantage. This is the most bitter conversation I’ve heard 😂😂😂😂😂

I think they're overlooking how important Peps been in their dominance, moneys a big factor but I don't think they win 6 in 7 if Peps not there. money brought Pep but he won't be there forever and I think any of the bigger clubs have a good chance of winning the league when he's gone, so I don't think it ruins the league long term personally

Dope conversation

utd had money pumped into them by a local business and started the funds to pay his manager matt busby so he started funding utd as we know them, the moores pools group funded liverpool when they were in their pomp so investment and periods of dominance happen maybe newcastle for next 10 years and all will be fed up with that too if happened

It's not the money it's Pep

Pep and city are playing the game at such a high level. To think they romped Real Madrid and Bayern this season is scary. Did arsenal ever really have a chance?