Debate James White & Abdulah Hamimi: Is Bible or Quran Divine?

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4 жыл бұрын

This took place in Melbourne, Australia. October 2019.
Dr. James White (Christian) and Abdulah Hamimi have a debate/discussion about the Bible and the Quran.
This is a repost and not intended to make a profit of any kind only to help spread Christian apologetics and the Word of God.

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@AlinaTowers
@AlinaTowers Жыл бұрын
This whole debate centers on the preservation of these two books, when that’s really only a small part of the discussion. In fact, we only criticize the preservation of the Qur’an in reciprocation of the way the Bible is criticized. In fact, even if it could be proved that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved, it still doesn’t prove that it is Divine. A true comparison needs to deal with content. The Bible is amazingly cohesive, meaningful, and understandable, whereas the Qur’an is poetic gibberish. 1,500 years worth of authors agreed, but the Qur’an changes everything while claiming to be in the same scriptural tradition. In order for it to be true, the main message of the Bible has to be completely false.
@janbuyck1
@janbuyck1 10 ай бұрын
I grabbed a couple of beers and a big sac of crisps and watched a great debate about : ‘ my fairytale is more true than yours ‘ .
@joshuabrzezinski2828
@joshuabrzezinski2828 5 күн бұрын
You're a Fool! Wanna talk fairy🧚‍♀️tales how about man coming from space dust then a fish 🐟 then a monkey 🐒 then a man! Lol 😂 ok buddy.
@mwauraerick
@mwauraerick 3 жыл бұрын
Dr White is a giant! God bless you man of God!
@truthgiver8286
@truthgiver8286 10 ай бұрын
Not an ice giant Odin rid the world of Ice Giants like he said he would.
@truthgiver8286
@truthgiver8286 10 ай бұрын
Neither of them is divine they both copied their stories from other cultures. This meant they could choose the best stories but does not make them divine.
@joshuabrzezinski2828
@joshuabrzezinski2828 5 күн бұрын
The Bible is absolutely Divine. You are foolish and speak from a place of ignorance. Like most people today.
@patrickngunjiri5340
@patrickngunjiri5340 2 жыл бұрын
So Muslims don't have the originals of the Qur'an but they want you to show them the original of the Bible
@khalidmonawar2622
@khalidmonawar2622 2 жыл бұрын
The Quran in arabic is One and is the original we only have different translations. The bible has multiple versions with books removed verses removed corrupted translations and also not having the bible in the original language. plus the problem of the anonymity of the writers of the bible and how Paul's teaching contradict those of the disciples even though it is clear jesus came to afirm the old law and that he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel so i am sincerely confused how christians cant see the corruption in their own religion this is your afterlife you're betting on and your own saviour didnt come for YOU he clearly says gentiles are dogs and you believe that he is God? I beg you Keep an open mind and do some more research im sincerely asking you to question why you believe all this.
@patrickngunjiri5340
@patrickngunjiri5340 2 жыл бұрын
@@khalidmonawar2622 there are 11,000 Bible manuscripts 5000 for new testament and 6000 for old testament, copied in different times and centuries but all say the same thing even though some are copied in different languages. This alone is evidence of faithful transmission ( the oldest being the Isaiah scroll from the dead sea scrolls which predates Jesus, Mariam, and John the Baptist by 200 years and is older than the previous copy of Torah by 1000years) In the old testament alone 50 individuals mentioned have been confirmed by the findings of archeologists. Among these are 14kings of Judah, 5 pharaohs and 19 kings of Assyria, Babylonia, Moab, Persia and Syria ....No one in the Qur'an mentioned has ever been identified as a real figure proving it's a fictional book Not only individuals in the Bible but also biblical stories and have also been corroborated by archaeology and secular history eg the jeconiah ration tablets discovered in Iraq in 19th century , Cyrus cylinder , Moabite stone The Bible gets it right when it comes to people, places dates, events ....it predicted about king Cyrus 200 years before his birth and even mentioned him by name....also how he would conquer Babylon ..and according to the Cyrus tablets discovered in Iraq it happened just as the Bible prophecied.... No religious book can match the Bible
@khalidmonawar2622
@khalidmonawar2622 2 жыл бұрын
@@patrickngunjiri5340 You just lied my Friend First point is the oldest text christians have concerning the Bible is from the 4th century before that you guys only had up to 6th century texts and just between those we already found a discrepancy so dont act like the bible has no corruption it is widely accepted among Christian scholars. Secondly The Quran literally corrects the bible on historical events so how can you say its a fictional book when we have mostly the same Prophets and Characters named. Ill give you an example of a correction which the bible gets historically wrong but Quran right. 1. The bible constantly calls the ruler of egypt at the time Joseph pharaoh when the term pharaoh didnt even exist as a term for rulers at his time but it was used at the time moses. Guess what the Quran uses the term King in the story of joseph and pharaoh in the story of moses. Thats a historical correction. So revise your claims brother and with the will of God and an open mind you shall find the truth.
@patrickngunjiri5340
@patrickngunjiri5340 2 жыл бұрын
@@khalidmonawar2622 you should have done research on what I wrote before answering blindly...it puzzles me you don't know about the Dead Sea scrolls...just use Google it will of great help, then come back ...and the qur'an has only around 30 characters copied from the bible....except the characters that are copied from the bible most quranic characters are unknown and fictional....not even a single character of those has any archeological backing ..do your research and tell me which quranic characters have any historical or archeological support (you will find none) And again how do you know the qur'an corrects the bible on pharaoh yet the qur'an provides no dates...furthermore scholars are not certain as per dates to the reign of Joseph and they use the bible to determine those dates which makes the bible superior to the qur'an...don't just follow Islamic commentators and KZfaq videos blindly... make Google your friend
@aceofspades58
@aceofspades58 2 жыл бұрын
@@patrickngunjiri5340 There is not a single identical verse between those manuscripts. Prove me wrong.
@itsdefinitelyme7021
@itsdefinitelyme7021 3 жыл бұрын
Praise the Lord 🙏
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
uthman is trauwrothy ist ok to have his. quran version “and such we are” is not in majority of greek manuscript its lots only in modern bible
@NidhiSinha4U
@NidhiSinha4U 2 жыл бұрын
While people here fighting over which is better islam or Christianity, I'm just feeling amused that they haven't researched on sanatan dharma. ❤️
@AlinaTowers
@AlinaTowers Жыл бұрын
How many adherents does it have in comparison to Islam and Christianity?
@ron88303
@ron88303 6 ай бұрын
Although both are inspired by their writers' beliefs, neither are "divine".
@joshuabrzezinski2828
@joshuabrzezinski2828 5 күн бұрын
The Bible is absolutely Divine! There is nothing that compares to it.
@User58747
@User58747 3 жыл бұрын
Dr White says that it is important to understand HOW the scriptures came into being. I beg to disagree - surely the Word of God is absolute and eternal? Then he talks about respecting the beliefs of others! This is side-stepping the issue - I want to know the Truth even if the Truth can be painful to hear. After all, Jesus didn't show a great deal of respect for the chief priests at the time. Notwithstanding this I think Dr White won the argument!
@John2028Apologetics
@John2028Apologetics 3 жыл бұрын
This is very interesting point and I appreciate your comment. In my opinion i believe the Word of God which is defined as absolute truth authority has always been as such just not reveled to us at the beginning of time but in stages that co instep with humanity. God knew what the old and new testament was going to be written as the Holy Spirit inspired the authors before time began we did not know till it was revealed and it was reveled by Gods decision and grace.
@yic123
@yic123 2 жыл бұрын
How would the Quran even be legitimate if you can’t prove Muhammad as a prophet. No one was with him in the cave when “jabril” came to him. So basically Muslims just trust what he says. This debate Is stupid
@chadafiy
@chadafiy 2 жыл бұрын
There's many miracles he performed to people. The fact he was a true prophet is that 2 billion people follow Islam today
@ttllz3537
@ttllz3537 2 жыл бұрын
If it was any other man, he would probably not have been believed if he didn't have miracles. This man was known as trustworthy. Even the pagans at his time would trust him and only him with treasures. Jesus himself prophesised Muhammad. How can a man, who could neither read nor write in the deserts of Arabia state scientific facts that noone could have known at the time. These same scientific facts we came to know mostly in the 20th century. Example: The sun revolves around its own orbit - How could he know that? Abu Jahl, one of the worst enemies of the prophet, was mentioned in the Quran basically stating that he would go to hell. If there was a chance to disprove quran this was it, he could have done that by saying i am a muslim.
@ttllz3537
@ttllz3537 2 жыл бұрын
Please research. For your own good. Look at what the quran and bible have in common and believe in it. Study the differences and logic in the two (Spoiler Alert, one has dozens of contradictions, one has none), the life of the prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H). May Allah guide you
@janepatton8100
@janepatton8100 2 жыл бұрын
@@chadafiy Actually 1.8 billion all from the same region... almost as if Islam is an ethnic religion. But I'm willing to bet that the 2.4 billion Christians, from *around the world,* would disagree with Mohammed being a prophet. Also, who witnessed his miracles... 🤔? You only have one muslim source that is supposedly the words of God, (the Qur'an), and all of it came from Mohammed himself. So there couldn't have been any trustworthy witnesses to these miracles outside of Mohammed writing about them himself.
@betos-08
@betos-08 10 ай бұрын
@@chadafiy The quran says muhammad didn't perform any miracles and he's just a warner.
@raygsbrelcik5578
@raygsbrelcik5578 2 жыл бұрын
ONE GOD---ONE HOLY SPIRIT. It really IS that easy!
@user-bc9zl1mc2e
@user-bc9zl1mc2e 3 ай бұрын
people going to see the true come out ❤❤❤ soon❤❤❤❤
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
one author one lamguage of quran its shorter can be memorize
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
quran manuscript in first 100 years is exist orality tarsnmision also exist
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
quran is better thna bible cuz no much foot note also bible have extra puzzles piece instead losing them its still corruoted btw because they added something
@donttalkwet1
@donttalkwet1 Жыл бұрын
Jesus is King of Kings. We love you God . As water can be ice and snow so can God be Holy Spirit and Son and God
@guitaoist
@guitaoist 3 жыл бұрын
Just let truth out like a lion and it will win so James will always win this type of debate. However he celebrates Saturnalia which is concerning considering his emphasis on "historical accuracy" and truth.
@chadafiy
@chadafiy 2 жыл бұрын
The only consistent value christians have is hypocricy.
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
uthman quran is carbon dated scientifically proffen in his time not just from hadith
@ManuelGarcia-dp4iz
@ManuelGarcia-dp4iz 2 жыл бұрын
The Roman church took this scripture and modified to force and colonize other countries. America didn’t have this religion it was force to indigenous. Please explain to why this indigenous where force to believe in your GOD and you language?
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
quran only 800 years handwritten only in one lamguage offcioslzed oversee by authority can be memorized one author one lamguage oversee by authority only 800 years shortet
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
reliable sources not just chain but what is the sources the content of the book carbon date to uthman word word same unlike lxx masorah or nt ot promise preserve quran pormise preserve quran more preserve quran have scrientiifc miracle histirucal miracle bible fluid text canon
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
cannot pick choose bible where word is god word or god sentennces no lie at all??? ot have lies nt jave lies god sentences no lies lxx have lies god direct chucjr but chuchr and peolel not use lxx tahts holy weird
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
bck to tuthman word word same no addition no pseduo writinng memorization govermnet control only 800 years hand copy high literacy people kingdom quran stricer than masoreteic
@Ayna123
@Ayna123 Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem of the time is the lack of gratitude for blessings and the breaking of family ties. Family and kinship ties are important in every religion. Islam values ​​the family very much.
@donttalkwet1
@donttalkwet1 Жыл бұрын
During the time of abababbabanauaqaaa. Shutup lol
@uncrown03
@uncrown03 3 жыл бұрын
And Muhammad has no Connection to God, Only Angels Gabriel send the message to him, but the bible has written and has Historical evidence and came from words from GOD,Jesus,God himself has Saying that words... Why islam can't understand that
@ahmedfarah6807
@ahmedfarah6807 3 жыл бұрын
Your god jesus was breastfed and had his diaper changed.
@OmarOsman98
@OmarOsman98 3 жыл бұрын
Muhammad is mentioned in your scriptures. Jesus never worshipped a Trinity. Neither did Abraham, Moses, or any of the Old Testament prophets.
@shaynalynn4791
@shaynalynn4791 2 жыл бұрын
I am a Christian. I do not believe in the Trinity. May God bless you all.
@user-ky2ef3ye3e
@user-ky2ef3ye3e 5 ай бұрын
Then you aren't a Christian at all.
@pblogger9065
@pblogger9065 10 ай бұрын
The diest says he can tell what god wants of me, what length I should shave off my penis if I am a boy or have a male child or off the clitoris if it's a female child. He knows to the exactitude what the proportions of that should be. What the diet should be. Who I should sleep with and in what position. And since god doesn't ever directly appear and say "do it this way" it is done for him--this is really convenient-- by human representatives who claim to act in his name. . . . The reason this point is important to you is that it would mean real power in the only world that actually exists, which is the material world, of YOU over ME. And you wonder why I am not keen. Christopher Hitchens
@jamalkhan3708
@jamalkhan3708 4 жыл бұрын
Dr James white is well educated. Much love and respect for Dr James white. Jesus Christ is Lord God✝️ Islam is false.
@bennymaestas8749
@bennymaestas8749 3 жыл бұрын
No 🧢
@Wartenss
@Wartenss 3 жыл бұрын
God can't come down to earth
@abd-ar-rahmaniii5650
@abd-ar-rahmaniii5650 3 жыл бұрын
Is that why people are leaving Christianity?
@wolfpack9008
@wolfpack9008 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wartenss why ?? is he limited??
@wolfpack9008
@wolfpack9008 3 жыл бұрын
@@abd-ar-rahmaniii5650 ..people leaving islam too
@silenthistory7534
@silenthistory7534 3 жыл бұрын
Allah Akbar!!!!!!
@raphaeltomtai6920
@raphaeltomtai6920 Жыл бұрын
Converted from Islam to Christianity after watching this
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
quran is much more faithful more than any bible old testament promised to be preserved but not like quran amd still fuild like new testament and old testament
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