Destiny 2 Lore - Clovis Bray's potential return & why he might be the next great threat to Sol!

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Destiny 2's Lore and Story tells us about Clovis Bray the 1st & makes it incredibly clear that he is and always will be a power-hungry egomaniac. His dreams of ascension into godhood via the Warmind Rasputin might have been shot to pieces, but there can be little doubt that he has not stopped plotting since he was last repelled in the Season of the Seraph. Today I wanted to look at the potential for future storylines involving Clovis Bray & what his actions could mean for the wider world of Destiny.
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@Theology.101 3 ай бұрын

Clovis has the Star Power that the Vex have always lacked. If Clovis could merge with the Vex in truth and become his new LUCA he’d be a top tier villain

@lucaricci1987 3 ай бұрын

Vex civil war with Clovis vs the Mya witness-like being

@outbreakperfected5704 3 ай бұрын

THISSSSS

@Theology.101 3 ай бұрын

@@lucaricci1987Asher Mir’s Blue and Bronze Vex fighting against the Red and White Vex of Clovis Bray fighting against the Black and Purple Vex still influenced by Nezerac And of course, the standard Vex mind just trying to live its life of math

@gen8901 3 ай бұрын

Tbh he’ll always be a joke to me because i expect him to go off on a wall being so godlike meanwhile it’s just a plywood wall.. Calamitous to punch through it I bet

@ShadowNemesis575 3 ай бұрын

I'd like to point out that the vex formed gangs in the prison of elders. Like we never got to see vex activily fight vex and now I'm wondering what their shit talk sounds like. I can't help but laugh because we know what all the other species sound like speaking English but the vex are pure logic so imagine them having such a break in belief of what would bring about their perfect end that they started beefing with eachother enough to shit talk and have faction wars. We've heard humans that got turned to vex speak broken English but from memory we have not heard pure vex do so

@5q1d87 3 ай бұрын

I repeat. I WANT THE CLOVIS RAID WHERE HIS HEAD BECOMES A FULL EXO BODY.

@Badnone 3 ай бұрын

That would be badass.

@kyloben8537 3 ай бұрын

that would be cool as a first phase lol. then we fight him in a vex form. we don't kill him entirely, we just force him away to become a long term bad guy

@hanknorris5642 3 ай бұрын

Just pop his head on Oryx's body and replace the taken with vex and you have your raid. I bet Bungle considered this to save on dev time.

@thisisboom 3 ай бұрын

This guy gets it

@SovietAssault69 3 ай бұрын

Portal 2 adjacent raid

@NathanG5190 3 ай бұрын

Perfect ad placement. “His personality was one of frustration, determination, and (ad start) STINKY PITS AND FEET?”

@imbadatgamesree 3 ай бұрын

What was that an ad for??

@NathanG5190 3 ай бұрын

@@imbadatgamesree I wish I could tell you but I paused it to write this comment and then skipped it lol. I think some sort of powder cream medicine scam lol

@LuckyLyzer 3 ай бұрын

Probably Lumē

@0008loser 3 ай бұрын

I mean.........

@nankaq9909 3 ай бұрын

2:41 LMFAOOO EVERY TIME THERES A JOKE IN YOUR VID I LITERALLY JUST CAN'T

@maxolsson6752 3 ай бұрын

It is magnificent.

@SlimeyZockt 3 ай бұрын

This caught me so offguard

@johngancarcik5682 3 ай бұрын

Lmfao season of the seraph Mara at one point bending clovis over with logic was comical

@lord_performapal5663 3 ай бұрын

This joke came out of nowhere and made me genuinely laugh out loud 😂

@shxdow_zzz Ай бұрын

"Despite only being a head , he has a giant stick up is ***" 😂😂😂😂

@mcdscombo563 3 ай бұрын

Byf's gone from covering lore, to literally just writing the story for Bungie's narrative team

@rocablade6908 3 ай бұрын

On the topic of Rasputin becoming a Guardian, those who played the season of the seraph, after he sacrifices himself, you can hear a faint noise that sounds like the noise a Ghost makes followed by a blue light that they shine when scanning for a Guardian, so him returning as one isn't entirely impossible

@aviatorengineer3491 3 ай бұрын

Would be a cool callback to the original story for Destiny that ended up getting scrapped in development.

@johngancarcik5682 3 ай бұрын

@aviatorengineer3491 that was a cool concept

@garrettviewegh9028 3 ай бұрын

@@aviatorengineer3491I’m not sure if Rasputin, reborn as a Guardian, even with his memories back, would allow himself to be kidnapped by Xivu or Savvy. But, it would be incredible if he joined us and Caital to take back Torobaital. Maybe a year after he’s been risen, becomes a Gurdian, and gets his memories back, we use Deepsight, or other means, to rebuild the Warsats, the Warsat Network, and other Warmind assets.

@JF-- 3 ай бұрын

Not gunna lie the trope of "everyone who matters and dies comes back to life some way" is lame af and lazy

@gothmfsalem 2 ай бұрын

if amanda comes back before rasputin(and in general) im rioting

@Yorabasura 3 ай бұрын

I'm waiting for Clovis Ai to either corrupt the exo and make his own Hivemind army OR I can't wait for Clovis Ai to fuse or control the Vex and have his own vex/vexo army

@garrettviewegh9028 3 ай бұрын

I have a feeling, Clovis will escape his prison on Europa. He’ll end up on Neomuna, see the potential in the city, and may try to use the Veil to usurp the Vex. In order to conquer the CloudArk, and the Vex Network. The Vex AI copy of Maya may try to kill Clovis for getting in her way. While the copies of the Ishtar Collective, may ask for our help, and aid us in ending this war they’ve been caught in. Not to mention, the Neomuni may be in danger as well.

@user-sd7ie1zn1r 3 ай бұрын

Vexos, ATTACK!

@eclipsebringer969 3 ай бұрын

I don't want the exos to be lost to clovis so this is slightly terrifying

@SKRRTCOBAIN00 3 ай бұрын

K but what about Guardian Exos It literally ends there Not happening But him fusing with the Vex would be crazy Maybe we see some Fighter Vex If i remember correctly we seen only construction Vex till now

@Yorabasura 3 ай бұрын

@SKRRTCOBAIN00 imagine if clovis could take control of Saint 14😱

@TheMirazor 3 ай бұрын

Clovis Bray and the Warmind lore is my favourite in the entire universe, thank you for covering it!

@77SBCR 3 ай бұрын

Its the only that was intended. And as soon as bungie leave the Bray's for a season or dlc, story is shit. BeyondLight while having huge issues had an insane collector lore book, the dream of alpha Lupi, K1, Volantis, the birth of exos, birth of vex.... Season of the seraph ending cutscene with Ana hugging Elsie was the last time i felt something in Destiny. Theres so much to do from Clovis egotistical moves and godly ambitions, Elsie not being from our universe, like wtf? Why tf Bungie didnt elaborate on this instead of a random NightCity knockoff?

@Lynch2507 3 ай бұрын

@@77SBCR i dunno why you felt the need to see someone praise a piece of lore and then just... rant?

@theurbanreanimator7244 3 ай бұрын

@@Lynch2507 its because theyre a bit looney and should be ignored

@JF-- 3 ай бұрын

So fans of D2 are not allowed to critique the game to other fans of D2? 😂 thanks for clarifying the made up rules 👍 @@Lynch2507

@Noblesix84 3 ай бұрын

Also its so nice to see those old Seraph towers again, everyone's favorite activity. Remember?

@TofuMaster1567 3 ай бұрын

I got back into destiny during shadowkeep and the only activity I would really ever do was escalation protocol. I miss that public event

@Nathaniel2323 3 ай бұрын

i actually liked it like all horde modes but it would have been better if it had matchmaking

@TofuMaster1567 3 ай бұрын

@@Nathaniel2323 I agree but I also did like finding like 8 other randoms that would do it for like an hour and just swap in and out

@talion4033 3 ай бұрын

Still haunted that the one triumph I needed for the title was the flawless seraph tower

@Blazuchan 3 ай бұрын

Good times honestly

@ryanosborne7534 3 ай бұрын

I will say that the odds of Clovis alligning himself with the darkness (intentionally) or forces like the Cabal is incredibly unlikely. For as much of a psychopath egoist he is his whole thing is about being the savior of humanity, he hates the traveler, the witness, cabal, or anything that might pose a threat to him being seen as humanities god/savior/overlord. I think the real concern needs to be if he aligns himself with factions like the concordant, or other anti city human factions.

@adamwicher6791 Ай бұрын

Would be really cool if he joined darkness only to gain power,then betray them seconds after, because he's too much of an egomaniac to serve anything

@The5lacker 3 ай бұрын

One of the little things I've always been curious about is if the quantum snapshot of Clovis's mind happened to include the Vex memetic infection he had. That *might* be the thing that's essentially protected him from the billboarding other AI copies developed before Clovis's discovery of Clarity and the development of Alkahest. As far as we can tell, the Clovis AI isn't in a true exo body and isn't running on modified Vex brain fluid, but Clovis himself was definitely infected and as it's been noted, Vex infection is a tricky thing to cure without a total reset. If he is infected, we could have an interesting problem on our hands with Clovis Bray, the Insufferable Mind. Finally get a Vex antagonist with a personality, maybe involve Asher and the Ishtar team for some more Vex Network shenanigans. That'd be fun.

@SpoopySkelemans 3 ай бұрын

I did not expect the stick up his- interesting dialogue from Byf, bro got me good

@SynburnsRed 3 ай бұрын

I've been saying it for years since the moment Rasputin had the cutscene saying he rewrote Clovis out of his protocols at the season of the seraph, I knew Clovis would be the main villain after the witness is destroyed and they bring back Siva. It makes perfect sense and the lore is their to confirm it. Can't wait!

@Fenyxclips 3 ай бұрын

That would be something. Has to be Siva somewhere in Clovis' possession. And if he becomes part of the Vex, would take Siva Vex any day!

@elvenbuttress 2 ай бұрын

@@Fenyxclipsoh my god, that gives me a great idea: SIVA construct enemies. Like, SIVA infested Exo Bodies and SIVA infested security frames as the foot soldiers, while the heavy hitters are almost always entirely made of SIVA.

@mystic3345 3 ай бұрын

When episodes come out, it would be cool to see the Vex/Clovis episode that enhances Vex lore while adding Clovis as a villain. It was once stated (by Calus I think) that Vex that are in Sol System right now are mere "gardeners" compared to other Vex, so it would be cool to see a Vex like Asher Mir who has their consciousness, but he's malevolent

@twelved4983 3 ай бұрын

@@Justin_Leahythe Vex don’t have the worst lore imo. It’s actually my favorite. It’s just very hard to make them work because they’ve never had a real “character” in their faction. Unfortunately, the reason for that is due to the Vex’s inherent nature. Since they’re robots running off of pure logic, and cannot grasp the illogicality of paracausality, they don’t really have anyone in their ranks, EVER, who we could basically form some kind of a relationship with. There has never been a Vex that’s basically spoken with us or with other Vex on a regular basis, and the Vex language that we HAVE seen is just gibberish at first sight since they’re so different from us. We know the true goals of the Vex, but since they are by far the most alien out of all the different aliens, it’s the most difficult to make work and not compromise their “alieness” in a sense.

@johngancarcik5682 3 ай бұрын

Honestly I see asher as our tie to the vex as a sort of ally

@GrungusTV 3 ай бұрын

Bungie Storyboard Writers watching Byf to see waht they should do next

@Yeeeaintgondoit 3 ай бұрын

The bray lore is the best story in destiny to me it could be a tv show they should hard focus it again.

@gargathulothhastur4981 3 ай бұрын

Probably because it's part of the original lore.

@kylemccormack1785 3 ай бұрын

@@gargathulothhastur4981 ....that's definitely not the reason why it's good.

@Matthew-wb5mt 3 ай бұрын

Eramis is the armada starscream of destiny.

@Gaffroninja 3 ай бұрын

I would love it they did a sorta live event style thing where players who chose Exos as their race would have dialogue and make remarks during gameplay, as if Clovis was attempting to take them over.

@kengojoe2444 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I actually see that happening

@xXx_Regulus_xXx 3 ай бұрын

Byf I respect your commitment to remembering abandoned plot threads, but Lysander is just a vehicle dispenser I think.

@Anchor-Supreme 3 ай бұрын

I feel like if we were to have an expansion dedicated to the Vex, Clovis would have to be the main antagonist.

@thursdaygirl_ 3 ай бұрын

really appreciating these hypothetical speculative videos, i feel like they showcase how tangible and well thought out this universe is

@Charlie2122 3 ай бұрын

I still think they should do a golden age show with all his dark dealings and shady secrets sort of in a you format where it makes you appreciate the bad guy

@Dolat1984 3 ай бұрын

New Byf vid, lets go!

@Frostysheen 3 ай бұрын

This lore gives me Lyf, thank you Lore King Byf

@douglasleigh2981 3 ай бұрын

I'm so happy this wasn't forgotten. It's been clawing at the back of my mind!

@DerekSmith816 3 ай бұрын

The universe of Destiny is so massive. I think we take for granted how much effort it involves to develop this beautiful universe. I hope this franchise grows even bigger and better over time and I hope it never dies. I hope this game will forever be the GOAT

@pencilduster2938 3 ай бұрын

I think he knew what he was doing with trying to replace the traveler as he was once had a conntection to the witness to create that vex portal on europa and i wouldnt be suprised if the witness had plans in mind to make clovis be part of the vex of the sol divisive if they somehow failed to access the veil

@nikolaicrawford9042 3 ай бұрын

I think if we see a Clovis storyline it might be reusing some of the material from pre rewrite d1, I really like the idea of Rasputin(as it was at that time) being the motivation and stumbling block to the story

@nappy6806 3 ай бұрын

I would love to see Clovis become an “ultron” of destiny 2 and maybe even somehow have some control over the vex. There for we could have exo/vex hybrids or maybe a faction of the vex switched to tuned up exo body’s. Just spitting out ideas 😀

@AV_of_SoCal 3 ай бұрын

Byf must be geeking about the skimmer lore tab

@EiferBrennan 3 ай бұрын

The shorts have been fantastic!

@Pandemonium088 3 ай бұрын

Byfhere's videos are always the best

@BrumeNoire 2 ай бұрын

The Concordat are the ones who sent the skimmers as a gift for the guardians games, which could be just some sort of easter egg, or the next big hint as to what's happening next.

@maxye9316 3 ай бұрын

Although it would still be a terrible idea, if clovis were to become powerful through overtaking the power of light/the traveler i feel his extreme stubbornness would stop the witness from being able to control him

@Travige57 2 ай бұрын

I have always watched your videos for the information but have only recently subscribed. Probably because of the Shorts.

@thelostcompass1320 3 ай бұрын

Byf I've always been a long standing viewer, but I think it's awesome to put the content into the shorts format Also the I got my brother to watch some of your lore videos and he's been asking a lot of questions 😂

@J0Nramirez 14 күн бұрын

Clovis' story in Beyond Light and Season of the Seraph is so freaking dope. Rasputin, Clovis, and Elsie and my favorite characters. Plus, anything related to the Golden Age is immensely interesting. I love the wonder around these characters and stories. I can't wait to see more of them!

@cuttleknight9454 Ай бұрын

really hope one day you get a chance to finish the Clovis Journals they were cool

@Moobeus 3 ай бұрын

This would actually be a very smart move. Going from an extremely existential threat to a literally human one would be a nice change of pace. We’ve never really participated in any “civil wars” they all happened in the past. Warlords vs iron lords, concordat vs consensus etc. Stories of internal conflict are often the most interesting, it would be even cooler if we saw some guardians side with Clovis.

@StrangerX9 3 ай бұрын

I think Clovis Bray will merge with the Vex hive mind and become our next antagonist and the face of the Vex going forward. I think the Vex want to assimilate all robot life including Exo's, and their end game is to simulate and create paracasality.

@Theology.101 3 ай бұрын

Plus he has the narrative connection with Elsie and Ana who’ve always had beef with Vex

@garrettviewegh9028 3 ай бұрын

There’s also the Vex AI copy of Maya, the one that went insane with obsession. She may give Clovis trouble, while the Vex copies of the Ishtar Collective, may be the ones to aid us in ending the war between Clovis and Maya. They could be a faction of the Vex, that has learned what it means to feel, and have empathy. They aren’t as closely connected to the Vex hive mind. I imagine Nimbus and Quinn will call for our, and Osiris’ aid in defending the Neomuni. Since they are still living in the CloudArk. Mithraks, Ana, and Elizabeth could also get involved. Considering it’s the Vex and Clovis we’re talking about.

@johngancarcik5682 3 ай бұрын

Also remember asher is in the network so there's a opportunity of a split between asher and clovis with the vex and the sol divisive as the 3rd fringe group

@ringomandingo1015 3 ай бұрын

It’s cool to think that the Scorn and now Clovis are making new life with Darkness, something that kills, reduces, and stops in place. This might be our introduction to a new form of Darkness.

@nankaq9909 3 ай бұрын

Would be best parents fr

@ringomandingo1015 3 ай бұрын

@@nankaq9909 Clovis and Fikrul inkblot kissing cutscene when?

@EpicMelonMan82 3 ай бұрын

IDK who does your subtitles, but recently theyve been aligned to look like its in-game subtitles for the gameplay footage. Nice touch

@SairuKhan-pd5em 3 ай бұрын

OUTSTANDING Bro!!!!!

@helix6206 3 ай бұрын

Bungo REALLY wasted an opportunity to make Exo enemies back in Beyond Light, like imagine fighting a Exos, Constructs(those big robots) and Clovis as the final Boss(something similar to the Human Reaper from ME2) in Deep Stone Crypt!

@ErnieOporto 2 ай бұрын

The memory affecting properties of the Darkness could make Banshee-44 a powerful benevolent genius figure at the end.

@jamezzz0035 3 ай бұрын

clovis is just like palaptine, bro is prepping his plan and once the Darkness stuff are put on hold- eliminated. clovis gonna be the villain and say "everything is proceeding as i have foreseen..."

@flt1212 3 ай бұрын

The house of salvation could align with Clovis with Taniks walking into the leadership vacuum, and some more possible eliksni exo hybrids. In the same way you mentioned the eliksni possibly worshipping Clovis as an ascended being, I could see Taniks taking up part of that mantle as well.

@arthas_gamer998 3 ай бұрын

Variks did say about Kell leadership when going the through the story of europa.

@vancouver9672 Ай бұрын

2:39. I love that XD

@LegateGrant 3 ай бұрын

He said the thing!

@DraftyCoast 3 ай бұрын

That clovis shot reminds me of the father bastard from Full metal Alchemist

@javedshamim2924 3 ай бұрын

Best parts of destiny's story's and lore happen offscreen...

@_n.dobson_onIG 3 ай бұрын

2:39 - 2:42 is Golden imma need more of snarky Byf😂

@KevinBrevin 3 ай бұрын

THIS WAS COMEDY GOLD

@connor5070 3 ай бұрын

My genuine thanks for those timestamps mate

@woundedhealer8575 3 ай бұрын

Would it be possible that the Vex would try to come in and take CB’s stuff? Of all that factions that would benefit the most from gaining as deep an understanding of the Darkness/Stasis as Clovis did, it’d probably be them right? Dude was able to more or less measure paracausality, the one thing stopping the Vex from beating us

@garrettviewegh9028 3 ай бұрын

Has Byf done a video covering the possibility of Rasputin coming back as an Exo? A Guardian reborn in the Light, and the complications of that in the future? At this point, him coming back, feels like it’d be after the war with the Witness. It feels like he’d be a Warlock honestly. There’s also a number of ways he could get his memories back. If we can rebuild the Warsats, the Warsat Network, and recover other Warmind assets, Rasputin could be a powerful ally in reclaiming Torrobaital from Xivu. We’d need his orbital weaponry to take out her fleet, and War Moons. His Warsats would also be the perfect weapon to disable the Dreadnuaght if Xivu were to salvage its weapon and use it against us and Caital’s fleet.

@pacoescobar7596 3 ай бұрын

I could swear i heard leaks like 1 year ago about the return of CB but this time not as Clovis bray but the gunsmith before the final shape or in final shape again it was 1 year ago.

@harrisparrish9336 3 ай бұрын

You should finish the journals series.

@carlosjosephgomez1495 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, man left us on a hanger

@ringomandingo1015 3 ай бұрын

Real

@stoneycooper9758 3 ай бұрын

I think it would be really fucking fun if there were a dungeon or raid in which we fight a fully built giant exo of Clovis Bray. Similar to the Oryx fight where he is leaning over the edge of the battlefield. And maybe we have 3 phases where we have to destroy each of his arms and then his head. someone in the comments also said something about his merging with the vex and making his own version of them, and I think that would make a very cool enemy to also fight in this raid. Perhaps we discover what he's doing, and break into his factory and try to stop him.

@jaycup7289 3 ай бұрын

I think we'll get an episode of Clovis somehow getting his hands on the cloud arc. I feel like that's a story line just waiting to happen

@not_parker 3 ай бұрын

The joke at 2:37 has me keking 😂

@SlimeyZockt 3 ай бұрын

That perfectly cut joke though

@Lynch2507 3 ай бұрын

Id like the next few years of destiny to be a bit smaller in scale compared to the all-encompassing conflict between Traveller and Witness. Like, great, weve uncovered the mysteries of the universe. What does that actually do for us and whose gonna take advantage? I'd like to think that after the current loose threads in the Episodes get wrapped up, we start getting some Human antagonists. Concordant, Warlords, all that juicy stuff

@connor5070 3 ай бұрын

Man, i would love to see rasputin arisen and a storyline about helping ana search for him and bring him to the tower

@SynFenix 7 күн бұрын

You missed a REALLY big option: Otzot and OXA. At this point Clovis is basically a giant angry head and probably wants some form of revenge on the guardians so aligning himself with Otzot and manipulating his way into OXA is the most likely scenario.

@2183Spectre 3 ай бұрын

I’m kinda Clovis ends up being like Harbinger from mass effect when we fight him… him with an army of exos being all “ I am assuming direct control of this form”.

@Hasselroeder 2 ай бұрын

I could even imagine bringin back asher mir! He is one of the only individuals that I would trust to handle Clovis, especially through his connection to the Vex now.

@gurururuwarararara8164 3 ай бұрын

Could've sworn the thumbnail was of Shou Tucker

@Ind1y7 3 ай бұрын

Can’t lie the whole DSC and Europa stuff always interested me I wish they made a dungeon of it where we go deeper

@canisarcani 3 ай бұрын

Something to keep in mind is that there are rogue guardians. And we've already seen that some exos have sympathetic ideals to clovis. I'm also not fully convinced that we've seen the last of Lakshmi 2 either.

@Atosark 3 ай бұрын

Rasputin as Guardian will be interesting vs Lord Felwinter :D

@Dorian_Kellum 3 ай бұрын

Oh shit! I just thought of Clovis helping the Concordat. Making frames and weapons for them, promising to help even the odds and institute a “regime change”.

@RuseVeil 3 ай бұрын

I think that we could see Clovis having a way to control the House of Salvation on Europa. With access to the DSC data logs he has the blueprints to not just remake Atraks-2 but Give Taniks a steel chair to bring terror to the universe once again. Atraks-2 could spread the word of clovis and have the powers of Stasis given the darkness statue in the DSC.

@SWAGberg2012 3 ай бұрын

I get Triburos vibes when I witnessed 2:42 Context: He does these cuts a lot in his videos

@Frost-hw9bh 3 ай бұрын

I'm curious if there is a portion of the war mind left on io, I don't believe that bungie has really touched upon what is happening on io right now but I wonder if a fraction of Rasputin is left there since it could have been gone during the period in which Rasputin destroyed himself and thus leaving a unaccounted portion of Rasputin behind. Clovis is undoubtably planning something behind the scenes and I wouldn't be surprised if it involved io if it was not present during the time of seraph.

@umbralfrontier7905 3 ай бұрын

Something that could get nutty is thru some railroaded miracle, Clovis gets uploaded to the CloudArk of Neomuna

@xyeona9624 3 ай бұрын

Shit, this made clovis really scary, especially because I always just kinda overlooked him. Never stopped to ask myself what he wants or what he's plotting.

@TheCrossover369 3 ай бұрын

That thumbnail is DIABOLICAL 💀💀💀💀💀

@nfamusSoul21 3 ай бұрын

You forgot one… Taniks, since he was in the DSC maybe Clovis can get access to a brain scan of taniks or something and convince the eliksni to follow.. he may be known as Taniks the repurposed.

@Retrophoenix- 3 ай бұрын

I think the best way to describe Clovis now is how Zavala described Rasputin back during warmind. Too dangerous to be left alone and too unpredictable to wield or in this case reason with.

@Gameface9782 3 ай бұрын

I see Alexander Anderson, Shinji’s dad, and Shou Tucker in this thumbnail

@CarkerVT 3 ай бұрын

Quick question: season of the witch, Eris kills sacar Huns and takes her powers to become a hive god. Ok, now let’s go back to ghost of the deep. They were trying to bring back oryx. What if that was their plan as well? Bring back oryx, kill him, and xivu takes that power. Maybe that wasn’t as much of a possibility before in gotd, but what about now with civus current position? Not only because she might want to try and get the dreadnaught and take oryx’s throne-world as her own but also take the power to control it. She could also possibly find her hammer again and even use savathuns scalpel as well(I think that’s what it’s called)

@kojeb 3 ай бұрын

the lucent brood has been in firm opposition to xivu’s brood since even before witch queen, xivu would probably just kill them all

@LOTRmaster 3 ай бұрын

Could you imagine siva splicers find him and he gets siva and creates a new army or fallen and siva exos. Would be wild

@Infinite_voyager 3 ай бұрын

It would be kinda fun to see them split guardians in factions as part of a new story, ala horde vs alliance in wow

@aviatorengineer3491 3 ай бұрын

Clovis and the Concordat teaming up would be interesting because it would be primarily human enemies, or at least human-designed machines. Maybe even hostile Guardians. I'd be super into that.

@killerofzombs115 3 ай бұрын

He is gonna enlist the services of the Skrank Gang.

@lyrictdk Ай бұрын

I believe that if SIVA returns it will be when Clovis reaches that main stage since he created it. I assume he can also control it the way Rasputin did against Felwinter and the Iron Lords.

@A1Strider 3 ай бұрын

With the ahamkara assumed to be coming into play, we might still have to worry about them striking a wish deal with Clovis Bray

@ashleyrobinson3394 3 ай бұрын

Something overlooked about Clovis is he wanted to save humanity & his actions although egotistical were for what he thought would benefit humanity, his family and himself. He wanted rid of the Traveller before the Darkness could arrive and therefore they'd leave Earth/humans alone. Maybe shortsighted but not totally evil. Similar to our Guardians position when using paracausal Light & Dark powers. There's also the fact that the Golden age, ships and tech were influenced by Clovis and still are somewhat by Banshee.

@RelatableBlackGuy 3 ай бұрын

This video gameplay makes me wish that Hierarchy of needs get a catalyst and revision zero needs the ability to revert back to burst after swapping to sniper mode

@okkeschraa943 3 ай бұрын

thankfully Elsie (the stranger) is keeping an eye on him, as per her parting words at the end of the season of the seraph. Keep an eye on her everyone, and on Ana. Those two are both blessed and burdened by their mixed heritage, and they will be the ones who will the one's most wary around Clovis.

@luisdavila4067 3 ай бұрын

Clovis has also said that he can replicate what a ghost does if he can study some. *something along those lines*

@NErDy-pr1jf 3 ай бұрын

What about the fallen splicers? Are any of them still around? They would totally worship Clovis as the man behind SIVA as well as much other stuff like exos

@setsu_dubs 3 ай бұрын

I could see clovis using the remnants of taniks since he's still alive and spewing radiation.

@ringomandingo1015 3 ай бұрын

Clovis communed with the Darkness in the form of Clarity. It could be the Witness but the vision Clarity gave and overall goal of Clovis to make new life doesn’t make sense with the Final Shape turning everything to nothing. Clovis might be led to the Veil where either he might integrate himself to the mind of the universe OR he might question the nature of paracausality and his and all humanities’ place in the universe

@cashonly8385 3 ай бұрын

The Clovis AI would have been a perfect raid boss. Battling it out against a giant Clovis Exo frame would have been great! Then have it be Anna and Elizabeth who engages the fall of the Morning Star to land the final blow. The Clovis AI frame explodes in spectacular fashion. The Deep Stone Crypt get blown wide open to reveal the Darkness statue. But if you can’t get that, store bought is fine…

@HighCRI 3 ай бұрын

A Clovis/Vex DLC would slap so hard.

@tysonkrunek4132 3 ай бұрын

He’s the Revenant of the Revenant echo

$@fracturedsolace145$

@fracturedsolace145 3 ай бұрын

CloVex....also what if Banshee remembers he is Clovis or A.I. Clovis integrates with Banshee?

@michaelcruz2321 3 ай бұрын

As far as house salvation leadership goes, I can think of one fallen that always finds a way of coming back from the dead. Taniks

@PixelleHearts 3 ай бұрын

If there is anyone who could achieve mind-melding like how Maya and the Witness did... it would certainly be Clovis because he literally runs a factory and an entire repository of minds he could replicate and bodies to exploit.