I'd love the idea of Joker being a side villain rather than the main antagonist, we've seen him on the field but never on the sidelines Would be an interesting spin

I think the most impressive part of this scene, at least for me, is that I single-handedly went from "please no more Joker, we need a break," to "okay... I wanna see where you take this version." But after that, take a break. Please.

Honestly, I get why this scene was deleted, and I’d be happy if Joker’s appearance was kept to a few fleeting cameos in this new series. But god damn, did Barry Keoghan fucking kill it in this performance.

That a DELETED SCENE is more memorable and we'll constructed than most scenes in most superhero films, is indicative of how incredible the team behind this movie was.

Joker had it all figured it out in seconds! The line “he admires you, or maybe... has a grudge against you” Riddler hated Bruce but admires the Batman 😳 this dialogue is a masterpiece! I cant wait to see more of this Joker!

If you look very carefully, it seems like at least one of the paperclips is missing from the file when Batman takes it back at the end.

Notice how both joker statements were correct: 1) Ridler was a fan of batman and 2) He had a grudge against him (Bruce Wayne).

Hannibal Lecter Joker is a cool take. I'd like to see that being done in the second film building him up for when he's finally loose

I’m surprised nobody is talking about the fact that Joker stole a paper clip from the bundle of papers. Leads me to believe he might have a larger role in the trilogy than I’d hope, since it seems he’s hatching an escape plan.

I’m getting major “fell into a vat of acid” vibes for Joker’s look this time. I bet that’s the anniversary he was talking about, maybe Batman even knocked him in like in the comics sometimes. Could be why they both seem to feel a connection to each other here. Hope they go full A Serious House on Serious Earth with it if they continue this continuity.

I want this Joker to stay in the shadows until the very last moment, then he appears and commits an act so vile that every crime committed by other villains in this universe will pale in comparison… Perhaps the death of a Robin?

I really love the Hannibal-esque feel of this scene.

When I first saw this scene, I thought they were right to cut it. The film is very long, and other than introducing Joker, it doesn't add anything Doesn't mean that introduction wasn't amazing, though. I'm glad they released it as a kind of bonus

Always wanted Batman and Joker to have a Will Graham/Lecter moment.

Honestly, this made me appreciate the scene a lot more than I did the first time I watched it.

I didn’t even notice that the joker took the Paperclip when I first watched it.

Y'know, when I saw the Joker's design I really thought it was a bit much...seeing the scene and having the dialogue broken down like this, I'm actually pretty won over. This could be a really scary Joker, especially for a younger Batman.

I feel like Barry Keoghan is the LAST casting I'd expect for this specific role but he killed it

This is also a great scene for learning when to cut something for the good of the whole, because even with all the care and character present in the scene, it's entirely self contained and distracts from the rest of the movie. There's already half a dozen completely separate plot threads going at once, and adding the Joker is disconnected if you only have this scene, and muddles the movie if you make him more central.

I do feel a little conflicted about this scene. On the one hand, I do really enjoy it, but on the other, I am happy that the rest of the movie stood by itself without it

This Joker looks like a solid successor to Heath Ledger's Joker, i.e. he is frightening even if completely disarmed, you can't threaten him, because he cares about nothing and noone and above all the evil he can commit, he will always chose the personal hell to Batman. This scene reminds me of the last interrogation of Blofeld in James Bond No Time to Die. There is a menacing, disfigured interrogation subject, but this scene has so much substance and suspension, in despite it pretty much doesn't have critical information and it ended on the floor of the cutting room.

“This is a. example of showing instead of telling.” I could not agree more, sir. The “show, don’t tell” commandment of storytelling is under-appreciated by many today. I am happy Matt Reeves is not one of them.

Love this version of the joker and I’m excited for MORE The Batman films entirely! This ENTIRE movie already, is a 10/10 MASTERPIECE! We have a batman movie where the best character in the film IS Batman/Bruce Wayne! Robert Pattinson is the BEST batman I've seen and he's PHENOMENAL as Batman AND Bruce Wayne entirely while still given him a new stylized look that's FANTASTIC to see! Love this movie to death as it's the BEST batman movie, felt like batman: the animated series BEAUTIFULLY brought to life with it's gorgeous Art Direction and aesthetics! MASTERPIECE of a film throughout!

Can't believe you didn't mention how similar this is to the introduction of Hannibal in The Silence of the Lambs

I absolutely LOVE the fact that the Joker did NOT help Batman AT ALL with solving this case about the Riddler, essentially wasting Batman’s time with going to him and making Batman think he gained nothing from him, BUT Batman actually got something from this visit but it was something very negative as it was the Joker manipulating the Batman to look at his inner dark-side and see a more sinister view of the whole situation which makes you think Batman’s heart must have fell at this conversation as Batman saw something that he didn’t know about himself until spoken outloud by someone as demented as the Joker! I LOVE that and that’s so Joker as he wants everyone to be twisted and messed up just like him! Fantastic scene from a MASTERPIECE of a movie!

I love the way the glass obscures his details, adds mystery to his hideous appearance.

I am getting real death in the family vibes from this joker. Like i can see him serving faces on plates

Its interesting as well, when you look at the structures of all the different jokers. I think this one might show the most potential for damage. Heaths was a criminal mastermind, a crazy genius. Nicklson's was a charismatic crazy, tongue in cheek yet still vicious. Even Leto's joker, a sort of gangster, stylish crazy. Someone it was hard to put your finger on what they would do next. I know many did not like him, but i thought the direction he took, showed some balls and made it his own. It would have been easy to go in and act like a previous version, but he dident do that, and i think that should be commended in some ways. This joker however...He feels more like a rabid, mange riddled animal. I mean just look at him, patches of hair missing, his fingers all (seemingly) chewed up. His mouth, i would not be surprised if he chewed or cut off his own lips. If he will do those sorts of things, TO HIMSELF, just imagine what he would do to someone who pissed him off? And his calm psychotic tendencies, there is something so unnerving about someone who you know is fucking nuts, but talks calmly, almost softly, and worst of all, makes sense in many ways. It shouldent be, crazy does not mix with calm and collected, yet here he is, sitting chained and behind bars and glass, and still controlling the room. I could see this joker being the kind of person, who would cut off someone's body parts, just too see how many it takes too kill someone. And then, when he finished, would get someone new to try again too see if he could take more.

This version of the joker had me when he says maybe he's a fan? Then laughs or a slight chuckle more of a holding in a belly laugh. And then when he says really? Then laughs again but this time he couldn't help himself cause the bat gave him what he wanted man I might like this joker

A video essay on a deleted scene... F**k, I love KZfaqrs like you!

I appreciate your videos..as a writer improving, you’ve influenced the way I consume media and analyze content..thanks for the breakdown I definitely didn’t notice some of these bits and pieces

I like the idea that the Joker has already figured out the Riddler was inspired by Batman, but instead of saying it he taunts Batman about how similar they are

I understand why they decided to delete this scene, but man, it's become my favorite Batman and Joker scene to date. It's just brilliant, and puts on display how great of a writer Matt Reeves is. Mattson Tomlin wrote a small piece of the film, and will be returning for the sequel. This is by far the best Batman movie we've ever had, in my opinion. And its not even close. Awesome breakdown of the dialog my friend. New sub!

I think vigilantism needs to be approached in a more serious manner and I hope these new Batman movies show that.. perhaps a past scene of Batman losing control and ruining Joker's face due to his emotional immaturity.. showing that perhaps romanticization is dangerous, and while Batman is a "professional", he still makes dire mistakes.

I swear to God that I had straight chills watching this deleted Joker scene. I understand why it was cut from the final cut, but I was surprised at how the scene played out. I seriously don't want to hear people complaining about Joker being "repetitive" or people being "fatigued" by "too much Joker". How many times have we seen Batman or Spider-Man done in different ways? Where's the complaints for that? Nowhere to be found, because there isn't none. Barry Keoghan as his version of the Joker creeped me out dearly (which is a good thing). Barry's version of the Clown Prince of Crime had everything I didn't know I needed: the hair, the eyes, the voice, the laugh, the smile (which is the result of his birth defect), everything was picture-perfect. Hell, the look of Keoghan's Joker looks like someone who has survived being burned in a vat of chemicals (even though Matt Reeves has stated that it isn't the case with this version). This version of the Joker has got massive potential for future projects. I can't wait to see more of this Joker (hopefully NOT in The Batman movie sequel).

My fav part of this scene is the most ppl miss, but joker steals a paper clip from those folders

The moment I saw he went to joker for advice I was LIKE wtf U doing batman

I love how your dialogue dives give so much to chew on!

I rewatched like 3 times and I still didn't fully get wtf they mumbled there in the beginning. Thanks for the subtitles

I so appreciate your deep dives. Helps me with my own work. Thank you for the hard work.

Much like ths scene existing, this is a surprise!

Your vids are always pick me ups in my day. Keep it up!

"You're normally so ahead of the curve"? :sarcastically laughs: Did I hear that right? Kind of a play on one of Heaths lines maybe?

I like how Joker is completely right in his assessment

The quality of the cutting room floor man

Dude I love all your video you really help me as a writer

When I saw this scene couple days ago, this channel was the first thing I thought about

This is really excellent analysis

This feels more like a short film.

Getting major Will Graham meeting Hannibal Lecter from Manhunter vibes in this scene.

Awesome analysis, really great insight

basically a joker in a deck. Whatever role that needs to be filled he's there. That's why he's the balancing act.

So glad I found this channel 🔥 more Batman/superhero content please 🙌🏽

I love this version of Joker because he seems to be the perfect synthesis of the animated/Arkham Joker and the Heath Ledger Joker. At his core, he still yearns for that beastial authenticity in people and will worm his way into your head to get it, but he's also the completely insane comedy from tragedy Joker of the past that you could totally see throwing a pie laced with acid or something cartoonishly evil like that

Amazing analysis !

I think we’ll see more of this character in the HBO spin-offs he might make another cameo appearance. I think the Court of Owls or Mr. Freeze will be the next Gillian

This joker is the nightmare that haunts dreams.

love your content

That Jared Leto Joker "Hunka Hunka" gets me every time bro 😂😂

Excellent video

I understand why the scene was deleted but that was no small sacrifice. Thank you for the video, I’m starting a screenwriting class soon and I don’t think I know how to get the dialogue to mesh with my visions yet

this actually made me like the scene more. love that analysis.

Really cool and insightful

This joker needs to remain in prison for the next movies, mostly because it would give him time to plan and bide his time untill his actual appearance. It gives him the chance to not only befriend and study other villains, but also serves as strategy, since Batman came once to talk, he might show up again whenever a new weird case happens Staying on Arkham also gives the joker the possibility of controlling the facility like he does in some depictions, that is, he is free to come and go as he pleases, but decided to stay in order to lure Batman there from time to time, untill he is ready to strike

Flawless breakdown

This is a different way to meet the joker in a movie before seeing him again in a different movie and this is to show that batman has done a better job getting the joker sooner just how good he is at getting the joker that he is better than you think

Wow great analysis. 😃

I explained to is seen to my girlfriend for like half an hour. Such a powerful scene and the dialogue is truly incredible. Matt Reeves laid out an amazing chemistry between Batman n joker in this new run of Batman movies. Can’t wait to see more of Barry’s joker!

Looks like people either love or hate this scene, hardly anything in between.

I’m interested to see if Joker will have a bigger role in the sequel or if he’ll be the main villain.

Really nice. Thanks.

I could see this Joker being in most projects but as a way to build to a conclusion much like maybe Arkham Asylum whether the book or the game. Joker somehow taking control over the "mad house" and forcing Batman to really put to the test everything he's learned and to truly see what he'll do to win even when he's being talked to as if he should be in there too. The whole part where he tells Batman that he and the Riddler are so similar and he knows exactly how he thinks really hits the nail on the head of what I want this jokers big moment to be about. He's not trying to necessarily break Batman's moral code and get him to kill but more so trying to get him to realize that he's just as crazy as they are

I would love if you could do a dialogue dive on the Riddler interrogation in the Batman. I love that scene, and there's so much going on. I'd love to hear your perspective on that dialogue!

Didn’t like this scene at first but now I understand it better I’m really starting to appreciate this joker. Hopefully in the future we can see maybe a serious house on serious earth or Arkham Asylum type Asylum hijacking, I think it would fit this joker well. That or some really horrendous crime like in death in the family or the killing joke. Really excited to see what Matt does.

I always thought, because we're not certain of where in the timeline he goes to joker for his perspective, when asked if he had leads batman replies he has none this was a lie to let joker think he had the upperhand in the exchange. Not hugely important, brilliant video.

If you look very carefully, one of the paperclips on the notes is gone when Batman takes the folder back.

What I love is that this relationship isn't "We're two sides of the same coin." Instead it's basically Hannibal Lector's "I'm a fucking psychopath so I know one when I see it", then proceeds to call out Batman for being just as psychotic as the Riddler, foreshadowing the whole "I'm vengeance" twist, which honestly would've probably spoiled too much before the climax.

Great video

The deleted scene doesn't undermine Batman. It confirms Batman which is why he lied about not having a theory. That's what Detectives do, they form objective motives based on subjective opinions. This is why Joker was teasing the Batman is always ahead of the curve, joker knew he was BSing him. He also got under Batman's skin by pointing out that Batman thinks Riddler is right but that's not what Batman does, he finds justice regardless what his subjective opinion is. In the books, Batman never expresses his opinion about a crime, he focuses for the why not the how. Like the young boy that he will always be, why did my parent die, why couldn't I stop it. The joker doesn't care on the why he just does, motives are just excuses which is why the Bat and the Clown are polar opposites.

This is actually my first time seeing this scene impressive.

My god this is so good

I saw the scene literally minutes before this video and now hearing how the Joker manipulates Batman into opening up… Oh My GAWD! 😱😱

Can you do a dialogue dive into the Knightmare scene in Zack Snyder’s justice league? Primarily the encounter between Ben Affleck’s Batman and Jared Leto’s Joker. I didn’t like Jared Leto in Suicide Squad but I really liked his portrayal and interactions with Batfleck in the Snyder Cut. Edit: Also a great video btw. Wasn’t trying to sound ungrateful.

I hope we barely get joker in movie 2 again. I hope we get another reconstruction of villains we dont usually see on the big screen or havent seen in a while, with Joker still locked up. And then in third, we get Matt Reeves take on Arkham Asylum with Joker as the lead Antagonist.

This joker needs some god damn subtitles

great video good job

I do hope that this scene is included in a home video release

I love how you want us not just to watch your videos but also create and learn from them. Thank you for real.

Please do more batman content. This video was interesting

disappointed this scene was deleted. Would be curious about your thoughts on why it was deleted, savage

Barry Keoghan gave off huge Heath Ledger vibes during this

Half way through the video: The problem is that this exchange, and this conversation, and this Joker, do NOT feel new

I like this video, it made me realize that this deleted scene established Joker as I always knew him; a really smart psycho.

This was an excellent breakdown of the scene and I found a lot of the points you made to be points I found as well when watching the scene. But I wanted to know how you felt about the theatrical release of the movie itself? Did you like it? Did you not like it?

Both of the Joker dialogue dives are among my favorite videos from you, any chance of a dive from Joker?

Interesting insight as always :) I liked this Joker portrayal, I would prefer him as a sideline villain that Batman could talk to. As the main villain I think there are other choices that could be more interesting, because they were never explored on the big screen. Or atleast not on this century

I was hoping someone would do an analysis over this scene

I'd rather this scene than the "you got a friend" scene at the end. Something else could have been cut. Maybe some stuff from the finale

weeeeeeeeeeeeeee this was excellent!

When I saw this first I thought "wow, this is a cool scene. It was good they took it out because it's redundant for the movie... But gosh I'm glad they are using it for hype like this because this is great".