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Olenna: Hes the pride of High Gardern, most desirable bachelor Tywin: She's rich, most beautiful woman in the 7 kingdoms Olenna: Yeah but she olllllddd Tywin Yeah but he's gay! Olenna: Incest though...

When Olenna Tyrell died with the line “tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me” someone said “when the rose dies, the thorns remain”

Tywin to Cersei if he was alive in S8: „You will do as I command and you will marry the Night King!“

Season 8 three act structure. Act 1: Jon "She's mah Queen" Act 2: Jon "I don't want it." Act 3: Jon "She......is mah Queen"

I thought it peaked at "You want da good girl, but you need da bad poosi"

Tywin: *Breathes* Savage Books: "This in and of itself is a multilayered action, packed with a plethora of different meanings, it also follows a three act structure."

I find it fascinating how Olena was the only character in this show to ever come close to winning a conflict through dialogue with Tywin such a great breakdown made me appreciate the scene so much more

Arya: "Sansa is the smartest person I know." You've met Tywin.

These two were the biggest badasses in the show and neither one of them ever had a sword battle. ( Atleast with actual swords)

Every scene with Tywin was pure "Gold" he was a good character in the books but Charles Dance's performance in the show elevated him to one of my favourites.

"A sword swallower through and through" My favorite line of dialogue in the entire show

One thing I did like about this scene was that Tywin went to Olenna to discuss the marriage instead of Mace. Showing that Tywin knows who is truly the head of House Tyrell even though "legally" it is Mace. This strengths his stance that he never trusts, nor respects Cersei not because she is a women, but because Cersei is not as smart and clever as she thinks she is. It is also nice that Olenna concedes defeat with showing respect to Tywin, someone who is her equal in the realm of politics. Unlike Cersei who throws a tantrum when she loses an argument. Instead it was Tywin who almost threw a tantrum when Olenna brought up the rumors of incest between Cersei and Jamie.

Don't know if anyone could say the word "old" so brilliantly and cruelly.

It's funny how you can pinpoint the exact moment Tywin took off his kiddie gloves and threatened to destroy an entire house to get what he wants. Now that is power.

Olenna Tyrell was my favorite character as soon as she entered the fold, having a whitty and sassy matriarch amongst powerful men was truly wondrous. Probably the only person in power to match my other favorite, Tywin. So this being one of my favorite scenes was bound to happen. So thanks for breaking down the dialogue amongst the wisest two characters in Westeros.

Just started reading the books they make me nostalgic for when the show followed the books and had great scenes like this.

Savage books: i'll be pausing the moment i find something awesome/interesting Olenna: *sneezes* *Savage Books pauses the video* SB: see this alone is better than season 8.

Fun fact: Tywin did not come up with the idea of naming someone to the Kings guard as a move against their House. The mad King first did it to Tywin by naming Jamie to the kings guard when Tywin was the hand of the king. He did it so Tywin didn’t have an heir besides Tyrion, knowing that Tywin hates Tyrion, and to make sure Tywin didn’t move against him.

Also pay attention to the physical acts: for example at the start Tywin hands the glasses to show he is in a power position; and indeed he proposed a marriage. Later when Olenna retaliates to the accusation of Loras' homosexuality with Cersei's incest, Tywin loses his calm. Just remember how easily he deflected the questions about possible gay affairs, now he is so upset that not only does he want to exit the conversation, but the physical space as well. It's a very meaningful cue, and it also shows that now Olenna has the upper hand

RIP Diana Rigg. She did a great job playing Lady Olenna. The Queen of Thorns will always be one of my favorite characters.

Diana Rigg owns the screen in every scene. She's a phenomenal actress playing one of GoT's few consistently very well written characters. I swear she's channeling Eleanor of Aquitaine (who most assuredly was the inspiration for the character).

It's a rare enough thing, a video lives up to its hype.

A scene I, personally, have always found very fascinating is when Cersei and Robert talk in season 1. It is filled with a wide range of emotions, exposition, and backstory. And even more amazing is that, like the previous two scenes you have discussed are both exclusive to the show.

I hate how this show that I used to love so much needed this video to remind me of existing

Every tywin scene is a great scene

Every time I see a video essay on the world of GOT it breaks my heart to know how cheaply it ended

Just remember that eloquency and good argumentation skills do not, and i can't emphasize enough, DO NOT make you impervious to angry midgets or crossbow bolts. Remembering that might save your life.

I really appreciate breakdowns like this. Obviously this is a scene with a huge emotional punch that everyone remembers, but seeing *why* it works the way it does through structure (something I always have trouble with as a writer), an effective hook that sets the scene, how the information is laid out in act 1, and the ebb and flow of the conversation and the climax.

"When Game of Throne's Writing Peaked". More like: when Game of Thrones' writers only had to adapt the already available source material. D&D are great at adapting, no question there, and it's still a hell of an acomplishment to deliver a scene like this with the same power as in the books. But the real genius here lies with GRRM, not the show's writers. He created these characters in all their dimensions and the dialogues & interactions with each other. No coincidence that quality started to drop once the show's writers had to create their own dialogues and character arcs.

Tywin's line beginning at 12:20, where he says that if the rumours were true then Joffrey would not be king and house Tyrell would have thrown a "prize flower" (Marjorie) in the dirt, negates the implied threat that Olenna made at 18:56, bringing up the incest rumours. Essentially he's telling her that she can't use that information against him because it would take down her house also.

Olenna: My grandson is the *pride* of Highgarden. Since we already knew about Loras and Renly relationship up to this point I always wondered if this was an accidental or deliberate this choice of words. If so that was a very subtle and funny joke. Unlike "I have balls, you don't." Damm, I miss these days.

"A sword swalover trough and trough" 😂😂😂

Olenna and Tywin are absolute Gold together. They are perfect. Two of the best characters in the series.

‘One would expect you’d *bow* before a Lady.’ One would expect you to *kneel* before the gods- ‘Don’t spar with me little man!’

“Papa Lannister” Hehehe idk why i find that so funny

I’m a simple man. I see Savage Books making Game of Thrones content, I watch it.

I love the litle smirk on Tywin at the beginning. It´s like he´s saying: "yeah, let´s do this. Bring it on".

Between Tywin’s intelligence and his grasp of hard executions towards strategy, plus overall loyalty to his Name and legacy he’s by far a screen hog. Anytime he’s on the screen you immediately know the scene will be impactful.

Low-Key, Tywin was an absolute badass and I have generally found that all scenes with him in them are of higher quality in terms of acting and writing

I love your dissections of scenes like these. Tywin and Olenna were such rich characters and a conversation between them had to be formidable, your analysis did it justice.

This scene showcased two powerful actors portraying two powerful characters. What a treat!

I think the overall outcome is super open-ended and there are many interpretations, but I see it as a war with two battles that ended first in a stalemate, then in a victory for Olenna. She won the first battle; Tywin was powerless to change the fact that Cersei was past her prime and known for her incest with Jaime. Tywin won the second battle, as there was nothing Olenna could do to prevent Loras from becoming a Kingsguard. Score: 1-1. The war came to a ceasefire when Olenna broke the pen and left. From a writer's perspective, I see this as a statement about her ability to think outside the box and prevail over Tywin in a way he wouldn't expect. Olenna makes good on this promise when she kills Joffrey. In that moment, she successfully out-manoeuvred Tywin and won the war.

So, I can almost never watch a video longer than 5 minutes, but your videos are so incredible that I actually make a point of watching them start to finish. Something that's damn near impossible when you have ADHD.

As someone who is trying to become a writer savege books is my favorite channel on KZfaq! His game of thrones content his bojack horseman content. It's all truly wonderful and I feel it has made a better writer. So thanks!

All the Tyrells were brilliant in their own way (even the dumbass son of Olenna), it's a shame what the show did to them. Such an interesting house at playing politics, they actually were toe to toe with the Lannisters at some point, unlike the Starks & the Baratheons who were made fools of themselves and had to resort to full on total war, and the other Houses that were made pretty much irrelevant (Arryn, Martell, etc).

You can't ignore the fact that these are two of the greatest actors of the past 100 years. This same dialog could easily be fumbled by lesser actors

Tywin was probably my favorite character and I was actually hoping for him to make it out of the privy. As Tywin died, so did most of Tyrion and Varys character arcs...

"My grandson is the pride of High Garden!" Sub-text! Anachronistic, verbally, but loaded with subtext.

Excellent deep dive. One little detail that surprised me was that you didn't mention Tywin standing - taking the physical position of strength - to try to assiist him in regaining control of the conversation... as well as Olena's very clear decision to remain seated.... also a strength move.... Anyways, very cool, I'll look for the other deep dive videos and +sub. Thx

Shakespearean actors and actresses with good scripts.

I BEG of you, cover the deleted scene where Tywin confronts Pycel on the shores of the beach

Tywin showed his hand, and Olena threw the knockout punch that put that family's dynamic in chaos.

This is an amazing breakdown of this scene but I hope people don't think when they're constructing a scene that they need to think about this stuff before writing the dialogue, it could come across extremely forced to try and adhere to this. The best thing about this scene is how deeply the writers understood these characters. How they see themselves, how others see them, and how they see each other. Writing any dialogue knowing these things will result in scenes like this I believe.

“As an authority on myself, I must disagree.” Brilliant. Olenna was a phenomenal character.

Do a dialogue dive of Little Finger and Varys

Also in this episode is great how they set up Olenna to be a conversational beast. First she has a conversation with Sansa and dominates. Then moves to Varys (a vastly more cunning person) and dominates When she gets to Tywin and he wins, it serves to show the force of nature that Tywin is.

Although I like this scene, it’s a pretty poor scene to add in relation to the books. As D and D kind of forgot there are large families besides the Frey’s. As book house Lannister and Tyrell are large. Which always confused why show Olena wants to marry off Loras when she has Garlan and Willas as heirs. Not to mention all the other cousins and uncles who have male heirs of their own

I think its also worth mentioning that the characters stand up when they need to regain the power of the conversation.

Recommended GoT to a friend right after season 1. He hated it. Said it needed more fights, magic and dragons. Said it was boring to just watch two people sit in a room and talk. I still hold that the dialogue scenes (when well written) were the best part of the show. Later seasons had too many big battles and expensive CGI scenes that didn't serve any purpose. Batttle of Winterfell, for example, was just boring because soooo much time was spent on nothing but fighting.

KZfaq: 18 min video Me: I can't watch it KZfaq: it's from dialogue dive Me: smash that play button

Its more of an acting thing than dialogue, but I really like the way they each react to each others statements, such as Tywins facial twitch at 1:52 and Olennas reaction at 13:42. It almost reminds me of a chess game with each player analyzing the others move and going "so thats what youre going for.."

It was a good match-up and a really fun argument aesthetically, but it also showed a lack of understanding as to how the world worked. Tywin's big move of ordering Loras into the Kingsguard is something that just could not be done. Not only does it violate the main principle of the Kingsguard, namely that it's a voluntary bodyguard institution, and conscripting into it might carry risks for the King (heck, out of those that took the vows willingly there's a number of examples already. They're not Praetorian Guard bad, but hardly perfect), but it also would give the Tyrells casus belli to detach themselves from the Lannister alliance and form the nucleus of a new rebellion, something Tywin doesn't want at all, especially as they have a larger and fresher army, along with better logistical support. An attempt to cut the dynastic line of a Great House is grounds for war, and one that would draw support even from Tywin's own allies. Olenna easily could have pushed there, as Tywin's proposal was out of order and a disproportionate counter-threat (either accept the marriage, or we go to war and nuke everything). The Cersei/Loras match-up was already a poor one due to the age difference, and Tywin had already countered the Tyrells in beating them to Sansa. One thing that the books did great was the relationship between Tywin and the Tyrells, where he had to diplomatically curb their appetites by using the power of the Crown without pushing them into making it powerless, as they held the balance, which makes Cersei's later chapters hilarious when you see her 'attempting' to manage their relationship. If the scene had been about the Sansa/Loras proposal, and Tywin revealing that he'd been a step ahead of her, you could have gotten the same back and forth still. Still, it was a neat argument. Using the incest angle to counter Loras' orientation was amusing. Though Tywin was perfectly correct in pointing out that any attempt to de-legitimize Joffrey would only hurt both sides. Olenna could have easily done the same in pointing out that an attempt to force Loras into the Kingsguard would do the same, as while Tywin's right in that it's the only lever that could push the Tyrells, it's also one that would push them right out of the alliance. They'd take Loras and deny the order, leading to either a massive loss of face, or civil war. Either way it would be the ruin of the Lannisters.

There was also the visual subtext when Tywin was pulling the wine.

To be fair to Olenna Tywin had to go to Deathcon 1 to win the argument which it isn't a small feat

This video taught me more about creative writing than my university course.

Your channel has helped me immensely when it comes to writing my first script. Especially during this time, hopefully you won’t be gone for long and good luck! Can’t wait to see the new channel

I’m 100% up for that second channel, your videos are the best in my feed by far and have helped my writing so so much, pumped to see any and all future content, keep it sleazy

Daaaaamn that was a sick ending, it's always cool when a character can make a loss not feel like one

Great breakdown of the inner dynamics. As a fan of the show, and a writer, this is golden. Looking forward to savoring more of your insights.

You've been gone too long, I missed this kind of content

Damn bro, you hella cute. But also this was a really good, thorough breakdown of such a short scene. You've sparked a really interesting train of thought on conversational structure that I'm pretty hyped to fall down. Anyway, thanks!

Although Olena would have won this easily if it remained a level battlefield. Twin just turned the tables by using his status and power as the hand to insert a threat that completely thwarts any room for negotiation. Here Tywin was actually losing the negotiation so his only option was to change the strategy to exerting his status to gain control of the situation. (Reminds me of Cersei's burn to little-finger's statement -"Information is Power" by completely overpowering him with her guards she said -"Power is Power"[Now I see where she got that from]😅) So in this scenario, if we're just comparing a battle of Witts, Olena is definitely a step ahead of Tywin 🤷.

Olena Tyrell was one of the few people Tywin truly actually respected , I imagine they actually end up good friends in the afterlife .

These are excellent videos. I've been binge watching like mad. Tywin is my favorite character in GoT and Olena shortly behind him and this is one of my favorite interactions in the shows entire run. Excellent video and keep it up!

One thorough, satisfying and edifying dissection of a brilliant scene of dialogue, which was well worth my time. My hat is off to you, Sir.

This is why his name is Ty'Win'. These dialogue dives are great and I'm learning a lot. Can't wait to see what you have next.

Thinking about the structure of this scene will really help me as a writer. Thanks for this.

LOVE these scene breakdowns! All the best with your move!

This was very informative and well done. Thank you for making it!

What tf? Was just watching King Bieber and Daddy Lannister video of yours and now this gift? Me likey.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. As an amateur writer, I really appreciate all your advice!

Great job on analyzing an amazing scene. I was thinking, halfway through, about how it would be nice to see the entire scene before the analysis, but I really couldn't think of a spot where to put it in your tight and poignant structure, without disrupting the flow or altering the feeling of the video. Really well done.

As someone working hard to become an editor for fiction books, this video was really eye-opening. Reminded me what to look for, or rather to notice when I stop analysing and just get swept up in the dialogue.

Really nice videos, it's a great way to pick up on some of the writing techniques I usually don't put the effort into, but could seriously help me get better :D

Yo he’s kinda cute though, don’t tell my girlfriend

I honestly LOVED the way this video was constructed. It is incredibly helpful to better understand what is being discussed.

This made my heart race I loved listening to the description and it's amazing

They had a verbal battle, he threatened her, she conceded. All the while she's brazenly plotting to murder his grandson. I miss these kinds of characters.

Long before these scene came about, I was looking forward to it. Both the actors and their characters are powerhouses and it is a joy to see them spar like this. Forget the nudity and bloodshed, this is what gets my heart racing.

I really enjoyed this video. It really helped. It's a strong testament to what made you successful in the first place. And it's great to see your face! Can't wait to see the new channel.

I just found your channel and find the dialog analysis so extremely interesting. Layer onto that the amazing acting, direction, editing, and even the subtle lighting changes, and it makes these seasons truly amazing. For instance, you have Tywin's smug smirk when Olenna talks about Loris' positives, letting the audience in on the fact that he is well aware of Loris' open "secret." It tells you so much about Tywin's character that he sees, and has always seen, his daughter more as a bargaining chip, than carrying any paternal affection. Then, there is very early foreshadowing; the close up and lighting of Tywin pouring two glasses of wine for himself and Olenna as Jaime will do years later. The show truly was amazing when we had GRRM's books as a guide. Then......it all went to s*#@!!!!

One of the bests! I also love the scene of Cersei and Robert discussing their marriage in season 1.

One of the best scenes in the entire show and a favorite of mine. Thanks for giving me an even deeper appreciation for it. When you come back, would you possibly consider doing a dialogue dive into the scene between Gandalf and Elrond in The Fellowship of the Ring when they are in Rivendell? After watching your videos, I found that scene to be one of my favorites in the entire trilogy.

So exciting to see your lovely face, so excited for the new channel. Been an fan for awhile. This video was absolutely fantastic, you are so talented and your content is amazing. It has helped me in my writing. Much love and support! - MP 🖤🖤🖤

Very great dialogue scene and you did an awesome job breaking it down!!

There were some well-written original dialogues in the show, almost all of them centered around Charles Dance (cleaning the stag, catching the trout, that Joffrey scene, the Conan-esque sword-reforging, most of his convos with Arya). There was also the 5 vs 1 convo between Robert and Cersei, Robb and Grey Wind visiting Jaime scene, and kinda sorta the Varys vs Littlefinger scenes. They definitely phoned it in S5 onward, but there were cracks as early as S2 at least.

Watching Geoff get bitch slapped verbally is always worth watching in break down form haha. Now watching Sharp Tongue vs Sharper Tongue get broken down is definitely also worth a watch

I saw your old vid. It was a great video. Then I forgot about it for a while. Then you uploaded and i coulnd fckin wait to watch it. Great video man well done!

Love the dialog dive videos and the 2nd channel sounds cool. I hope you upload there