Yeah, especially because a cheater would not stay on a low rank for too long, this will be a problem in high master i guess

It's not really that common in online chess either, there is good detection for obvious cheating. And it is only really and issue at higher elo where the cheaters know when and how to cheat much better.

Im sure that Ken on plat 2 was cheating man i swear, they are keeping me down

@@memegazer Agreed it's uncommon to play vs a cheater in chess, mostly because detection for catching cheaters has gotten quite good as well. Googling it, chess.com bans 800 accounts per day for cheating lol, kinda insane

@@Diaphone Yeah...but at the higher levels just having an eval bar can provide a significant advantage to skilled player and make or break that game. So in that respect somebody that knows what they are doing can avoid detection better than a scrub that is cheating.

best of luck, sounds like a fun project

One of the things that stuck out about Hans in the chess scandal was his overall performance was an outlier compared to others in their career. While that is not definitive, Hans in particular has a stastically significant amount of variation in the leval of his performance overall compared to other chess pros.

Are you gonna open source it? I'd love to see the code once it's done

That's basically already written - it's the cheat's they're using. Just buy the cheat and reverse engineer it. But, ironically, if you open source that, it'll be used as an open source cheat haha

@@memegazer it also doesn't help that he admitted to online cheating a couple of times back then..

That's the one thing that sold me. You can't perfectly read every feint with that much confidence.

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He is not cheating, its not impossible to react that fast or to anticipate. Specially when you know your opponent's gameplan either because you know him or you know vow his character is played. Nothing that gief did was impossible to do while playing normally

​@@marcunbut1058 definitely a cheater, no human can be that consistent, even if technically it's possible to react to feint ghost or air SPD the tp, it's impossible to be that consistent at doing it.

@marcunbut1058 yea dude really? I don't know how long you've been playing but I've legit never seen anyone come close to doing something like that against jp. That shit ain't normal.

Similar thing happens in a game called Dead by Daylight. Cheaters have changed from using obvious ones where they fly around or run at super speed, now your average cheater does something extremely subtle and practically invisible like *they move 3% faster,* but in the long run makes a difference. Sometimes you're just losing to a cheater and it's so subtle you just blame yourself because they have cheat macros where whenever the killer player does not have line of sight on them, their movement speed increases. "That person who just ran around the corner was probably just a bit further than I thought" you tell yourself, just like that person who seems to be reacting frame perfectly to you in SF6 might just be getting lucky.

you can just familyshare the game to a different account

@@beatresca still not nearly as bad as a f2p game, family share has a cap of how many can be shared to at once, its still more work to bypass

SF6 is not free to play.

he wasnt saying that @@damienwarlock

@@damienwarlock I think your software needs a reading comprehension update

They don't give a s***.

they care. they want and need sales.@@megac4

depends how often they happen, just because someone whiff punished doesn't mean it was a reaction

@@gameclips5734 True, But from watching a lot of tournaments, You would rather respect the drive rush and just sit at neutral then go for a risky whiff punish on an extended button, obviously depends on the character but still DI is damn near un-reactable

The punishes and crazy confirms are not really that sus tbh. They could simply be someone who doesn't know or doesn't respect the meta and therefore will do ultra "risky" shit with massive payoffs because they haven't been peer pressured into being afraid to. We've had people who did stuff the pros didn't dare to before. Consistent perfect down-backs without touching neutral and never parrying on whiffs is way more telling.

what if they are just using cheats too ;o

@@gameclips5734 They arent though. I watched itazan and mago play SF for 15+ years back in sf 4. They didnt have cheats like that on consoles, and they were just as good back then. So they arent cheating. People that play in real life cant cheat they have to actually be good.

@@wildwest1832they definitely can cheat, it’s a never ending game of cat and mouse. It’s just a matter of how far you want to go with it. I don’t think any top players cheat though tbh.

@@HellCat_Kenny Obviously they physically can cheat. The question is why would they? There's no incentive for them to cheat when they play irl tournament.

They should make all the competitors submit a video recording of their hands on the controller/stick for each match.

isnt it live on-stage? You need a modded system at home to use these

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@chibinya There's online qualifiers and events I believe. Also, PC is still a thing. It's not like Capcom will hold tourneys only on console.

@@djhero0071 i thought all Capcom official tournaments were on PS5... If not, couldn't they just make it on consoles to avoid cheaters?

Especially if u can toggle auto block

Yeah, saw that vid and he mentioned Lightspeed as well, including how Capcom reset their MR back to 1500.

Yes.

Ahh yea I get the two mixed up lol

I though SOCD off was allowed because the game itself interprets SOCD neutral if received.

@@TheBlueArcher That sounds true, I believe it. But it's not obligatory, you can have your own SOCD cleaner as most buttonboxes do.

Man, he's already crying cheaters lol. THat's why he turned cross play off and still got bodied.

Dude's been using the cheater excuse since his days of getting bodied in SF4 lol

@@TheIcarusFallsfucking pc cheaters dood 😂

He can only make excuses since he sucks at the game and is trying to save his ego from some competition he did decades ago, that nobody showed up to.

No he wasn’t you were just being predictable

There was a glitch that would auto-tech throws for you for a while earlier this year, they may have just been exploiting that

I mean, that’s tough to call considering that I myself notice that Cammy players LOOVE throws, so whenever I’m in a mixup situation that’s the first thing I’m looking for and usually end up teching most of them. The only throw from them I get hit by a lot is the flip grab.

what rank are you like i can tech 100% of throws against worse players because they either don't shimmy or do it very obviously in a way that doesn't fuck with delay tech

google "Delayed Tech"

You could never have serious competition over the internet, there's too much lag and delay.

@@redmoogle I mean, I have good internet. The internet is a wonderful thing.

I'm curious which anti cheat softwares you know of that are 100% effective if you know of any.

@@Sumatchi Nothing in life is absolute other than death and taxes... You're never aiming for 100% effectiveness, that doesn't mean you shouldn't still try...

Very concerning, but I am sure Capcom is getting wind of it now.

Yet you have no issue with Modern and even Classic being lenient enough for barely competent players getting wins they'd never even dream of getting in pre-SF5

@zerstreubar Doesn't matter what you think. SF6 has shown SF have no standards.

@Agent_A-Grahm I too feel that modern controls was a terrible idea. Only dirty jam eating scrubs use modern.

Block player, carry on with your day - it's that simple lmao

There's a big difference in how a lot of these cheat clients work vs how anti-cheats work. Alot of anti-cheats are looking for code injections, while these look like they're reading data and taking use of your controller, which would emulate human interaction. It's harder to detect this stuff than people realize.

​@@AdvPanda0maybe the one valorant uses could detect it, but people hated the fact it went into the root of your pc. But, tbf, in hundreds of hours of valo, i only saw one cheater and the match got ended in round 3 with the message "cheater detected", so I guess it rly works well.

It was mostly an anti piracy measure rather than an anti cheat measure. Even though denuvo only keeps a game Uncracked for a week or 2 lmao

@@AdvPanda0 Wow. I didn't know it got that in depth. Hopefully Capcom can implement something to prevent more widespread use of this. Thanks for the info though!

@@Shodan130it’s been taking a lot longer for certain games I still think SF6 hasn’t been cracked yet

No. cheats could be embedded into a keyboard or any input devices

nope, even if - that's what hacks do in the first place, remove any kind of checks and protections. from gamedev side, you just "get inputs" and that's about it. the rest is the job of anticheat software, checking for 3rd party software, macros, or modified game files.

how would you verify what platform they are playing on though?

With fighting games, it will be relatively similar, you'll find people with stupid ridiculous reactions, with ultra flawless defense, who barely understand the fundamentals of the game. Like how you'd see cheaters in apex with garbage movement and absolutely 0 gamesense who just laser people with visible aimsnapping. The better at the actual game they are, the harder it is to tell. It might be a real issue.

@@acydrayn73 That's definitely true, and you're both right. It's the very suspicious combination of generally poor gamesense and fundamentals, coupled with totally insane and consistent reactions/execution/aiming.

Yeah blatant cheaters are easy to catch, but when a good player who has a good game sense uses very subtle hacks it becomes harder to notice (eg. Pros and streamers).

@@helljumperodst6780 Definitely, and this is where the biggest threat lies since it's so hard to detect, on top of the player already being good to begin with

Haha yea - I just pinned a comment to preempt this

They will be thankfull for such content like these exist to make them feel better being themselves despite all the odds.

Facts I don't consider my self elite but I noticed fighting game players love to blame their losses on everything but their skill level LMAO

One problem this creates though, that other people have mentioned, is that if something LOOKS too good to someone (even if it isn't), they'll have to wonder whether it might have actually been cheating, and that's frustrating to have to worry about.

Who cares about people complaining lol

Unfortunately, for fighting games, it never really did, macros have been a part of console fighting games for as long as 3rd party controllers have had a "Turbo" button. With that said, the potential for issue is large, but the amount of fgc cheaters is quite low.

with controller mods you still get cheaters in every game, give people an inch they'll take a mile

99% of top players are not cheaters, would just be a normal video breakdown ngl

MK1 is unplayable because the cheating has gotten so bad!

Well said

The examples given in the video were of alleged cheaters at the top of the rankings. At that level it matters a whole lot. The fact that it doesn't matter in low rank (which seems like an arbitrary judgement) does not affect the potential devastating effects of the problem. Also, the $400 script is just a single example. And the more people there are writing scripts, the cheaper they will be. I'm not saying you're wrong about the percentage of cheaters, but you don't know either.

I certainly agree with you that most of the people yelling 'cheater' at each other are more often than not flat out wrong and it's just the usual toxicity calling someone a 'cheater' instead of a 'm*****f*****' for example. Still, cheating is prevalent and it's far from a 400$ entry fee, that was just 1 example of many possible cheats some more sophisticated than others. The thing is that your attitude here is wrong. You're basically saying we should ignore the problem because toxic people use it as a way to be toxic, but in truth toxic people will be toxic no matter what, and it doesn't matter if the toxicity is calling someone a cheater, a *insert bad word here* or whatever else. By saying it's a trust problem you're dismissing the more obvious generic toxicity aspect and reading too much into the content of the toxicity, which really makes no difference.

If it’s in the game abuse it, there is no problem with abusing broken shit or top tiers. Especially when money is involved. Granted scripts and the like aren’t in the game

Mental illness I figure.

lmao thats the saem analogy I came to, it's like cheating at the gym

@@aquaticnstuff7666 Never cheated once in anything in games or even as a kid tbh, love the journey and fun that comes with improvement but i took steroids to get huge fast so i could get loads of pussy. I guess its about if what you want is pride/progression or if the end result is your only goal.

auto DI has been around for a while so probably yeh

Its a 1 button input, if you have natural god reactions its so easy to impress fighting gamers with these 1 button reacts like DI or parry

Lightspeed and Vermillion Bird. There, did it for you. Apparently cheaters like to use Cammy for whiff punish scrips 'cause she has two of the most insane normals for that in the game.

Steam can virtualize controller inputs as in you can change A to be RB. With that sending of inputs being a middle man all sf6 gets and sends to the opponent are the inputs. The game however on the cheater side is sending info the the cheat engine or script to have it know what is going on and what to react with. To me its a case of detecting the observer but only one who can see it is the cheater's version of the game. Verification checks would likely fail or have bypasses and unless they crack down hard on modding it wouldn't work at all. If you can mod at all these cheats will exist. The only way to deal with it is to make a system that somehow invalidates these cheats conceptually at a game design level. To basically have no situation a perfect player can win without having legitamate perfect guesses on the opponent's choices. Lets say any move can be canceled into another move that beats the first moves counter at any point during start up, and instantly perform the attack. And the properties of moves that beat the first or second moves don't come out frame one. If I use move one cheater can use the move that counters it. But if I swap to the second move, once I do so the CPU would have to already moved to the counter for move 2 to beat it. Their window to counter my offense is lost if they try and react. If they guess I cancel into move 2 and I don't I still win. Cheat has to guess. Situations like this all over the game. Issue however being doing exactly that. And another potential bottle neck: faking delay. If the cheater gets inputs from the other player ahead in the game logic they can if they are far enough behind (say 5 frames is needed to counter a switch, and after 5 frames they can see if i switched or let the move go through now being that far behind me) they can send the input that they used the countering move. The saving grace for us is having to keep a constant 5+ frames of rollback in this example would be enough to make most players block them for poor connection speeds and still keeps it only possible online. No beads will save you here. The downside is the nature of said FG would be dramatically read based. It would basically play like high level virtua fighter to an extent. And on defense could be clunky if you tried to add a delay to blocking, but a prevelant guard meter mechanic could aleviate it. The example above also needs to mirror the situation for the responder side. If you read the change the cheater can just cancel only in the last frame if needed. If in the last frame you aren't able to counter it, it stays. What needs to happen is the cheater also has to guess if they change or not. Perhaps for online a system for this exact situation can be devised: the game has a few windows for canceling into other moves say 4 during the start up. If you input a cancel during a window you will do so at the end of the window. For online play this still occurs however the input for the action only gets sent at the last frame. The cheater can't see you canceled until they had to read it. However this means on responder is the cheater can only reliably predict a need to change if you cancel early into something else at which point in the following cancel window for their attack if available they can cancel to counter your preempt. However if the windows are less than the time needed for the counter properties to kick in you have to do so 2 windows prior and the chances of a player who is drawing first having 2 free windows to counter a cancel is very low. Still likely some flaws tbh this latter idea i'd drop from this but the idea of holding inputs player side till last possible frame if them doing it early won't change their outcome could be valuable. Issue is making them special so if the player is no longer in the same state ie: they just got hit recovered and now are doing the attack the buffered ages ago the game knows it was an input for this state and doesn't throw the move out since they no longer are in that state. Hit stun windows can also universally be larger than buffers to make it impossible to get hit and have the buffer do anything as the buffer comes out when in hitstun. Anyway I'm done spitballing some of these ideas I'm refining for myself.

@@Fralorgrafon The problem is volume. The volume is night and day, this is common knowledge.