I'm pretty sure that the reference to Abraham's bosom was a literal reference. I say this because when the rich man saw Lazarus there he appealed to Abraham to make Lazarus serve him.

There is one thing we know for sure about the "Apostles Creed". It did not come from the Apostles. However, there are five facts from the scriptures which can be counted on one hand. 1. virgin birth 2. sinless life 3. perfect sacrifice at Calvary 4. resurrection 5, second coming

you should try to get Jordan Peterson on your podcast

@Doug Wilson what is your response to this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iKx7Zat52daWqqc.html

I just discovered him recently also!

Same. We use his curriculum in the middle school years.

Agreed

Agree with you 100%!!!

Except he believed Jonah died! This is not theologically sound!

Check out Doug's friend James R White (dividing line) and his church apologia (apologia studios) they have lots of material on that. Blessings to you.

Check out Mike Winger he has some material on JW

He is a cult come away from it

@@johndowney8007 who?

Praying that your Christian faithfulness and continued commitment to your husband will have your him abandon that folly and return to the One, True God! Many blessings to you and your family

Check out his debate with Christopher Hitchens as well.

Check out some Dr. Michael Heiser and Dr. Chuck Missler as well.

Agree up to the "absent from the body " verse. It doesn't say that when you are absent from the body that you are automatically present with the Lord, but that he would rather be away from his body and be with the Lord. Reading the verses prior puts this verse in the proper context Saying that while we are alive in this body we are away from being present with the Lord but he would rather be with the Lord. Paradise and Hades are not gone till death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire.

😅😂 You people are weird

the video is inaccurate. All go to hades which has two compartments, paradise, and torment which are separated by a gulf. When Jesus said '' surely i say to you today, i will see you in paradise' referred to hades.

So Jesus did not pay the price for your sin?

Yes, Medieval and Renaissance art, Pagan influence, and the soft, nominaly-Christian culture that uncritically believes that babies become angels when they die and that Satan is ruling now in Hell, have seriously distorted the fairly straightforward meaning of the words we use today for these things.

One can see this depearture most clearly in Dante's Inferno, in which the Renaissance poet has combined the influence of Classical Pagan poetry and philosophy, a vague Biblical understanding, and a Medival tendency to physicalize and sensationalize Hades/Hell, into something that had a defining impact on the conception of death and Hell in the Western world. And it had very little to do with the Biblical Sheol/Hades.

Right on, Spaseebo. Good summary of the issues discussed in this video.

read your bible

You did a outstanding job explain all this. A lot of christians do not believe this and think he went to heaven when he died.and trying to explain he did not can get hairy fast.

Before I proceed with my reply, allow me to make a disclaimer: I do not wish to sow discord among the brethren over this issue, and I do not dismiss the opposing view as heretical, since it is a debatable matter and the gospel is the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Christ, so whether he went to a good Hades or bad Hades is not damnable heresy. But I would like to challenge your assertions and I really hope you will respond, I would welcome your challenges to my assertion… How can we assert for certain that Abraham’s Bosom/Side is a place? It could literally be Abraham’s Bosom, much in the same way that the disciple whom Jesus loved was reclining in Jesus’s bosom - Lazarus could be leaning against Abraham’s Bosom in heaven. In your third paragraph, you stated that Hades/Sheol has two divisions. Of the verses you cited, Matthew 11:23, Luke 10:15 and 16:23 explicitly describe Hades in a negative manner, additionally Luke 10:15 contracts Heaven as being the opposite of Hades. matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:27-31 are more open to interpretation because you could look at it in two ways: • Hades is only a place of judgement, which is why its gates will not prevail against the church (because we are saved), and that is why in Acts 2:26 Jesus heart rejoiced because his soul would not be left in this awful place. In Psalm 16:9-10 David did rejoice that God would not “leave” his soul in Hell, but this could simply be a prophetic statement about Jesus rather than attributing it to David himself. • Hades could have two divisions as you suppose, which is why the gates will not prevail against the church because NT believers will bypass Abraham’s bosom and go straight to heaven: I find this view unlikely because if there is a paradise side, why would Jesus need to insist that its gates will not prevail against the church, and why did his heart rejoice that he was not left there? (Unless you would argue that his heart rejoiced because he needs to be resurrected regardless of whether Hades was good?) Jesus’s words to the thief on the cross do not necessarily contradict Jesus suffering in Hades, because if we acknowledge his deity in the Godhead, Psalm 139:8 says “If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in , behold, thou art there.” - He is not restricted to one realm as part of the Godhead. In 1 Peter 3:19-20, Jesus preached unto the “spirits in prison, which sometime (long ago) were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah…” - the spirits in this prison must undoubtedly be in torment because of being disobedient and being in prison. Describing Hades as a prison is consistent with 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6. (Unless you would assert that he was preaching across the chasm?) When Jesus said “It is finished” he still needed to go to Hades in any case and rise again… so what was it that was finished? It could be his ministry on Earth or his suffering specifically in the flesh on the cross, not his time in Hades. Those who claim Abraham’s Bosom is a place might be inclined to use John 3:13 to prove that no man has ascended into heaven except Christ. However… what is meant by “ascended”? It could be that Jesus ascended of his own accord, but let us not forget that Elijah was carried into heaven by a chariot of fire. Enoch was “taken away by God” (Hebs/Gen) - I believe these are shadows of Jesus Christ. My key point though is that it is not unfeasible that OT believers did go to heaven, but they did not ascend in the flesh like Jesus did in His resurrected body… Enoch and Elijah were carried and other believers had to die in the flesh. Some additional points to consider: • Psalms 9:17 - If both believers and non-believers go to Sheol, isn’t this judgment of the wicked somewhat meaningless? • Psalms 89:6 - The sons of the mighty could refer to the sons of God (believers) and this verse would imply that they are in heaven • Proverbs 23:14 - if Sheol has a good side, why does the proverbial disciplined son need delivering from it? • Jonah 2:2 - Jonah was afflicted in the belly of the whale which he described as Sheol, he was not in a paradise half of it To close this off, I would also point to the OT offerings that were a shadow of Jesus Christ… consider the burned offerings, that the meat that was sacrificed was also burnt. I think the reason people have a problem with Jesus descending into Hell is not that it cannot be supported by the Bible at all, but this doctrine just so happens to be preached often by a lot of the false prosperity preachers that are out there (who are an embarrassment to the entire faith). However I hope that Speseebo would find time to see my response and reply to the verses and exposition given above, and provide your reply. Sorry for such a long comment. Blessings of God be upon you and remain with you, in Christ our Lord.

Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah: Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; Luk 16:23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Paradise no longer exists, it was a place for the righteous dead to be until Christ came and opened the way to heaven by His atonement. Isa 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: the dead in Christ now go to Heaven to await the Resurrection. after those in Paradise moved to Heaven then Paradise was no more, hell then had more room to enlarge itself for the millions and millions more that would go there.

Jesus died on the cross on Friday day or night ?

@@bettynice2340 Not on Friday, it was Wednesday.

@@bettynice2340 The Lord died on the evening before sundown on Friday. He was in Jerusalem (the heart of the earth at that time) for 3 days and 3 nights. The last day he was there was the day he resurrected. Here is a video to better understand:

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While that may have been true while Gary Larson was publishing, I think that over the centuries, distorted views of heaven and hell can be laid more at the feet of Dante, Milton, and Goethe.

Hell (Hades) isn’t a laughing matter.

Very interesting either way. I, too, assumed he was just near to death and in the fish felt as if he were in the depths of Sheol.

Interesting!

I agree with the Germans.... I hate the 🥶

In reality, Hell (Hades) is a place where unsaved souls are being tormented in the flame.

​@@Landis_GrantActually it's not. It's just two different words that mean grave of man...

@Chaos Phoenix You need an exorcism. See a Priest immediately. In the meantime, "The Lord rebuke you, satan, leave this man and flee into the abyss where you belong. We confess our sins and his to God. In Jesus powerful, Holy Name we pray. Amen."

@Chaos Phoenix Thank you Father God for hearing our prayer. I see how you have rebuked and shaken the devil in this person. Soon he (the devil) will flee the power of Jesus The Christ, the Most High God, the Creator of all, God come in the flesh, Who has thoroughly defeated the devil and his fallen angels. Thank you for showing us, Father. Amen

@Chaos Phoenix The Lord Jesus rebuke you.

@Chaos Phoenix If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. Romans Chapter 10, 9-13.

@Chaos Phoenix Jesus is God. Repent and be saved.

I came to faith and got baptized in a non-denominational church. I feel like the Holy Spirit is leading me to the Orthodox Church. Is worth the time to investigate.

@@jamesmoore464 The Orthodox church also prays to Mary. They may get some things right, but they also get a lot of more important things wrong.

@@ajunta2270 yet every Protestant church I go to is a catastrophe

@@jamesmoore464 I regret to hear that. I don't know where you live and what options you have, but what I can say is that fellowship, sound biblical teaching centered on Jesus and the gospel, and ministry is vital for us as Christians, so I hope you do find that wherever you decide to go.

@@jamesmoore464 I am certainly biased to my own choices, but I have been a member of an Orthodox Presbyterian Church for almost a year now. Very biblically based teachings, emphasis on emulating the early church for how we structure ours, and adhering to what traditions of man can be confessed directly from the content of the Holy Scriptures. I’d recommend checking out the OPC or some of our sister denominations (PCA, URC, also look up Pastor Matthew Everhard for solid breakdowns of denominational differences). Godspeed, brother!

I stumbled upon Doug Wilson . Wow! Praise the foolish people for listening to re configured garbage. Everything Doug talks about has his Theological .Twist.. Dont confuse faith with anything that Doug spews forth.. Just another Evangelical who is making a living stating fiction as fact.. Believe in God if you wish..but just dont listen to this guys never ending Scripture output..This guy is one continuing parable.. Shale ,Hell, Hades.. an answer for everything... Every thing he says is based on his Fundamentalism. Dont be fooled.. Listen to convoluted words and be objective..

Les Nagy Well since I am an evangelical with fundamentalist leanings I think I will stick with Doug. And if listening to Doug Wilson makes me foolish I will proudly wear that badge. But thank you for your concern :-)

James Clark James this Guy Doug Wilson may sound viable to a Fundamentalist. As an ex Christian i find he has re defined the bible in his own language.If we were to understand Dougs teachings then a common man cannot possibly understand the scriptures..He translates every verse to his understanding and pseudo Intellectual arguments.. He actually babbles on, and in the end actually says nothing.. I have noticed this on all his interviews..A narrow minded Fundamentalist who gives the authoritarian tone to his explanations but leaves the listener thinking only.. What the Fuck are you talking about.. See his explanation on Homosexuality in another video and you will understand why i claim this...I respect your fundamentalist beliefs James, but i cannot accept this guys version of any scripture.. Evangelical Nut job. disguised as Critical thinker. . I thought the bible was for any person to get meaning from .. Listening to Doug it seems none of us were anywhere close to an understanding. Praise the Lord..Just don't Praise this Guy...

James Clark James, I know this was 6 months ago, but I am glad you have found him. I don't agree with everything that he says, but he generally pretty decent.

Jake Swink I really like listening to his take on things..not so sure about the Federal Vision stuff though

I think its all make believe stories

Jesus died on the cross on a Friday day or night ?

Betty Nice Luke 24:13-20 (NKJV) 13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day (Sunday) to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him. 17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?” 18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?” 19 And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 “and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. Luke 24:21 (NKJV) “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, TODAY (ie Sunday)IS THE THIRD DAY SINCE these things happened (the Crucifixion). PLAINLY Sunday is the 3rd Day SINCE Saturday is the 2nd Day SINCE Friday is the 1st Day SINCE THURSDAY when “the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him”. Jesus died about 3pm on Thursday and there was a supernatural night darkness from Noon to 3pm.

@Cassus Belli Matthew 12:40 (NKJV) “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The must be 3 days and 3 nights. This is not negotiable! Bodily death, Friday before Sabbath- day 1, Friday evening, (beginning of night 1) Sabbath begins - day 2, Saturday evening (beginning of night 2), Sabbath ends- Sunday morning is same day- day 3. Where is night 3??? Jesus PLAINLY SAYS 3 NIGHTS! Is He a liar 🤥? The answer is He is the Truth. There has to be 3 nights.

@Cassus Belli Luke 24:13-20 (NKJV) 13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day (Sunday daytime) to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him. 17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?” 18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?” 19 And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 “and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. Luke 24:21 (NKJV) “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, TODAY (ie Sunday)IS THE THIRD DAY SINCE these things happened (the Crucifixion). PLAINLY Sunday is the 3rd Day SINCE Saturday is the 2nd Day SINCE Friday is the 1st Day SINCE THURSDAY when “the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him”. Jesus died about 3pm on Thursday and there was a supernatural night darkness from Noon to 3pm. Amos 8:9-10 (NKJV) 9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD, “That I will make the sun go down at noon, And I will darken the earth in broad daylight; 10 I will turn your feasts into mourning, And all your songs into lamentation; I will bring sackcloth on every waist, And baldness on every head; I will make it like mourning for an only son, And its end like a bitter day.

Actually Hell is really Hades and isn’t the lake of fire (Gehenna).

The passage you refer to is phil 1,23 and the passage Doug refers to is 2.cor 5, 6+8!

Indeed. It does surprise me when reformed teachers say that Hell/the final torment, doesn't include fire, or torment. I thought the NT was pretty clear, but OK.

The rich man and Lazarus story isn’t a parable, but a historical account as told by Jesus who said “there WAS a CERTAIN beggar named Lazarus … None of Jesus’s parables used real names.

Would you like to know the real mystery of Christ under the heart of the earth and the time line of the events by using (jewish time which realy is God's)? There is a book that Biblically proves avery theory wrong to the core, Romans 3:4 says: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, God also said in Isaiah 28:13: But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here (from the old Scriptures) a little, and there (from the new Scriptures) a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken when proven wrong. I' am the author of that book called: the Sign of Jonah and the real Passion of the Christ by Celedonio Miranda, available on amazon kindle books. there you will find the truth about this so controversial doctrine and more mysteries unveiled plain and clear, Peace to you

Hebrews 9:27 "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgement." We are judged straight after death. If we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, we 'wait' in an area in Hades called Paradise or 'Abraham's bosom . There are two sections in Hades (a holding place of the dead) - Hell and Paradise. On judgement day, Hades will cease to exist as the saved will be in Heaven and the damned will be thrown in the Lake of Fire. Jesus descended into hell is not biblical. He was in the 'other' half of Hades. That is why He told the criminal next to Him on the cross "Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Some translations of the word Hades or Sheol as 'hell; is wrong. Blessings.

I think you did.

10 years ago the lord revealed all this to me, I could add some scripture to this to take it to another level.

Biblically there is no soul without the body. the soul is dust + breath. Right now, you are a soul, a living being. The spirit is the breath of life, rauach.

+jamie Russell - With respect I fervently disagree, Jesus' soul was clearly in Hades while His body lay waiting for His victory in the tomb. Acts 2:27+31 29 - For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One['s body] to see corruption [in the tomb]. ... 31 - he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. Some make the mistake of pointing to Acts 2:34... Acts 2:34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, ...as evidence that David no longer exists, not understand that the point Paul is making in say Acts 2:25-34, is that the prophecy doesn't speak of David's RESURRECTION and taking to Heaven, but Christs. Additionally Paul speaks about taking-off this body and putting on the new, and that we should not be found unclothed as those waiting for judgement in Hades. 2 Corinthians 5:1-4 1 - For we know that if our earthly house [body], this tent, is destroyed, we [who are saved] have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 - For in this [corruptible body] we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [immortal body] habitation which is from heaven, 3 - if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 - For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be *unclothed, but further clothed*, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Jesus certainly died, but death doesn't mean as say the SDA, that the soul ceases to exist without the body it clearly does.

Also here is a clear understanding about the parable of the rich man and poor man in Luke 18: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7mbddOa3t3ZfYk.html

What do you mean? Christ is the firstfruits of the resurrection -- that's all a Christian should preach!

"Afterlife 101." LOL.

I have understood Sheol to be the abode of the dead, the underworld; and Saul is a personal name meaning "asked for." Aren't you applying the equivocation fallacy when you say these two are the same by using the word "is?" They look the same, yes, but the accent marks are completely different, let alone the definitions. Where does the term "Christianity" come into play?

@@jameskilgore8422 I HEARD BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES AND SOME SECTS THAT ARE ANTI-PAUL. SAY THE SAME THING. NOT BEING RACIST BUT ALOT OF THESE BHI SAY THIS.

Yes, Hel was a goddess who ruled over Hel, the realm of the dead, just like Hades ruled over Hades in Greek mythology. I imagine the partitioning of Hel into several different realms was caused by exposure either to Greco-Roman mythology or Christianity (or both). Although Wikipedia gives the etymology of "Hel" as being related to "hall," my Old English professor in college said it was related to "hole," giving the conception that hell is in "the heart of the earth" just like Sheol is. The Catholic conception of hell includes limbo, which is sort of the outskirts of hell. Limbo is the place where unbaptized infants go. While it is a pleasant place (like Abraham's bosom), and unbaptized infants go there because they have no personal sin, it is still hell because its inhabitants are deprived of the Beatific Vision. Homer's vision of Hades seems to be a bit aberrant. In the _Odyssey,_ he has Ulysses sail far to the west until he reaches Hades.

NOT FOR ME ... I have always believed this!

I am not a theologian. I do want to get to the bottom of dispensational teaching. It looks like the millennial reign has some self identification inconsistencies.

Somebody please send this to Steven Anderson, LOL

Marc Tesio Well he is not talking about millennium here....

Cuz he’s wrong too

I watched your video.. Nice piece of artistic work but the content itself bored me shitless. Good work on the production nonetheless...

They were carried bodily into heaven without dying. Presumably, they're still there in their earthly bodies, and they will return with Christ at His second coming, at which time they will be transformed and put on immortal bodies just like the rest of the saints will.