3:55 did subaruwrxfan just teleport into the video?

To everyone who is interested in this car, GO TEST DRIVE IT! It may not have VTEC but man is it fun. It’s a very well built car and it feels awesome. Also, the sound does not come through in this video. It sounds great in person. The shifter is one of the best on the market! It’s a great value. For EPS, the steering is very good. I don’t think all this bashing on the car is ok. If you read Car and Driver’s in-depth review, they were very pleased with it. For the price, it’s an amazing car. If you price a GTI to a comparable level, it’ll be much more expensive and it still isn’t as fun to drive. I appreciate Sofyan offering a balanced review, but the engine isn’t as bad as everyone says it is! I really enjoyed driving it!

I don't know of anyone who complained about only having a 6MT

3 pedals for the Si. ALWAYS.

I had 4 SI, models,build em all,,, have the new one for a few months , its the best one they ever made stock, power and trq, is better, and handles better then any previous models hands down, why people complain is because they dont know the facts , this car has variable cam timming control, with a turbo thats all you needs, get over vtec, its a old design from the late 80s, lol,, for the money this is car is great all around , all i did was hondadata tune and the car make 250 hp and trq, more trq then the 2.4 k could ever dream, every year you yall say the old gen is better,, lol, pull your heads out of your asses, please, honda sets you up cheap so you can tune it the way you want, and with this one all you have to do is a clutch and tune and turn up the boosts and the car will run 13s, and still be around 26 grand, and avg 31 in normal mode,, what the hell else do you people want !!?? vtec?? please ,

It's a commuter car with a bit more pep, no need to have a bigger engine in, not worth the additional cost. I own this car and disagree with everyone of the complaints. Also, I find the sound good, I wouldn't want to daily anything louder. And yeah, the 9th gen has 205hp, but look and the torque curves. Canada gets nav and LED headlights stock

Honda needs to bring out an Accord Type R, as a dad I would definitely consider one and wouldn't worry about paying 40k on a Accord with around 400hp:) I know I can dream but hey, they did bring the Civic Type R to the USA.

I like how the car is quiet. It sounds great even without an intake

The Si in Canada comes with the same LED head lights as the type R and navigation. All standard. I don't know why the American version does not. Also we have the option of leather seats.

I have been a Toyota guy for the last 20 years, and the 2018 Civic Si is the first Honda I have ever owned, so this not coming from a "Honda Fan Boy". I really put in a lot of research on this car, and out of the almost hundreds of reviews on this car, this review was way, way off from all the other reviewers. Sure, there were complaints about the Infotainment system, lack of volume button, and the faux vents on the front and back, but almost no complaints about power, acceleration etc. I have owned this car one month now, and 0 to 60 in 6.4 seconds is pretty awesome for a car with such a small engine! I have done two trips between the Northern California Bay area and SoCal, and if anyone has ever driven on hwy 152 and the Grapevine on hwy 5, you know that if you can do 90 mph plus on those steep inclines with little effort...with temps around 104 degrees F, you have a car with good power. I'm not saying it's the fastest car on the road, but it easily keeps up with cars with engines twice its size and power. I mean, you made it sound like this car has to strain to go fast...that's not my experience owning this car. Maybe you should stop trying to compare it with those brainless Dodge Chargers that can barely handle a slight curve OK, so what I dislike about this car: Infotainment center Lack of buttons for radio, volume and AC/heater fan controls Android Auto disconnects randomly Metal shifter ball (gets hot, and I mean hot on a hot day) Shifter makes a notchy sound when shifting into second gear

Thx for your feedback. You are definitely one of my favorite critics. I have had my Si since 12/2017. My ONLY potential gripe is straightline power. This car is not a drag racer, but consider I have personally witnessed over 40 mpg, but mostly I get around 34 mpg no matter how I drive. Pit this car against an 88 Gt Mustang and this car will win. This tiny 1.5T is a mighty little engine. I will be upgrading my clutch and exhaust soon to take more advantage of what is there.

I still hate the styling of this car. It looks like a 12 year old sketched it. Most grown ups probably won't find this design appealing.

The engine is "bad", a "disappointment"? Compared to what? How can you evaluate the engine compared to a theorhetic engine you *wished* they'd developed and included. Is the engine better than competing Focus ST? Fiesta ST? Golf or GTI? Elantra? Those would be valid comparisons and against those, the sound and performance of this new Honda motor is at or above the best of the rest. Clearly you had a "dream" for an Si and because Honda didn't build *your* dream car, you downgrade it. Just evalulate the car they built, not the car you wish for (which doesn't actually exist).

that rev hang doe

The engine is a disappointment? I’m sorry but consumers looking to spend 24k on a Civic just aren’t looking for the noise of the k24 anymore. This car is meant for people who want a daily but also want to have fun once in a while and enthusiasts are going to go for the Type R anyway. The 10th gen produces the same amount of power without having to get all the way to 7500 rpm to do it and with 1L less displacement for fuel efficiency. Every Honda competitor is switching their lineup to I4 turbo engines to get power and fuel efficiency and Honda is just going with the times. If you want a k24, buy a 9th gen. If you want a modern car with modern features and a modern engine, buy the 10th gen.

at 3:55 I thought VTEC kicked in, but its was only your voice.

You Need to drive a 9th gen again, it does NOT pull as hard as the 10th gen 1.5

Wow! I could not disagree more with your analysis of the new SI. The old version was very much a niche vehicle and the 2017 forward is better in virtually every arena. At handles much better, has much more usable Midrange torque, is more comfortable, more spacious, gets better gas mileage and is much more refined and poised. If you're 16 years old and want a little naturally aspirated go-kart that only performs marginally well when you're gunning it, that's fine. I don't. The new SI handles better than most near luxury sports sedans costing twice as much and I have owned BMWs. Just my two cents. Thanks for the video!

whats an Si without vtec?!

I would buy this. Daily driver that's comfortable decent fun not too much power but enough to have a little bit of fun.

I gotta say, you are completely wrong about this car. It's the fastest Si ever built, and the most fun to drive. It's stomping all the competition in National Autocross events. It is extremely tuneable and stomps previous gen Si's that have been turbo'd / supercharged with only some bolt ons and a tune. Your bias is showing, big time.

I'd rather have the power low and mid range than top end.....how much time do you spend at 130mph??? You wont be driving long if you do!!! VTech is way over rated!!!! 1.5 T is a MUCH better combo of performance AND mpg, I see 40mpg with my 18 SI. Amazed that this driver says the 1.5 is a dissapointment!

It's not a bad car, it's the cheapest car you can get with adaptive dampers. I just hope that 1.5 holds up.

Who needs a navigation with Android Auto / Car Play? If anything, I DON'T want factory Navi because they always suck

Short answer:yes

I understand there is a mourning period for the death of high reving, low torque Honda engines of yore but can we just end it now please and get on with life. As a life long Honda fan boy I look forward to more small displacement turbo engines with torque. Honda is going in the right direction. You get great performance and 40mpg. Nothing to complain about except a too quiet exhaust. Also, people like to justify the Civic Sport as somehow a detuned Si. It is not. The often overlooked bits the Si offers for only a little more money is a great value. Better internals (pistons, rings, sodium filled valves) larger turbo, LSD, adjustable dampers, Type R suspension bits, nicer seats, better shifting transmission, larger stabilizer bars, lower suspension, bigger brakes......as far as 9th gen Civic Si, I owned a 2015. This chassis is light years ahead of the of the 9th gen platform. This alone is enough to abandon the 9th gen for a 10th. As great as the K24 is, the new 1.5T is progress.

Didn't know more people were going towards buying 4-door Civics! I still love the 2-doors even though the doors are heavier and more cumbersome.

Most reviews are saying it’s now a better car and I agree.Get over the Vtec already.

Keep...Moving...Forward...

I think most people say its actually the best si ever made.

At $23,000 The 2017 Honda Civic Si doesn’t take “Sport Injected” to mean “fun injected” like they did with VTEC in the 5th-9th gen; Si now means more performance with Turbocharged Engine Torque ala Volkswagon Jetta GLi.

Great follow up review. The best 10th gen Si review so far from you.

Solution: Hondata

8th gen best Si. I loved my fg2.

12:08 is the best part! Loved you getting worked up over the ADM. I agree it's effing ridiculous ppl pay that and dealerships charge it! Type R at MSRP ftw!

vtec high rev engine was a main reason to consider the civic Si

Honda needed to keep their reliable 2.4l.

This is the power the regular Civic should have.

The 9th gen Honda Civic SI, in my opinion, was the best Civic SI ever made with that K24 VTEC 4-cylinder, and it had so much character to it. VTEC is what made the SI so fun to drive and experience, and that K24 motor, which is the same one in an Acura TSX, just sounded glorious.

I disagree folks ive had my 17 about 3 weeks. I enjoy it so much. It’s fast and I love having a Manuel transmission again. I think the only thing I dislike is the freckin radio. Lol

Still don't know why people are complaining about this car it is faster than the last one there is even a video on KZfaq were the regular 1.5t civic its beating an SI supposedly both stock

Honda engines have no low end torque...now they do...now people complain honda does not have high end peak power at 19000rpm

I don't mind the engine that much. The reason I don't like it over a 9th gen is bc of the styling. It's close, but they need to chill w the fake vents around the whole car.

Wow you talk and drive at the same time so well.

I hope one day you can review my 1990 civic

What do you think of Honda killing off their V6 offerings?

The SI should have come with the ILX motor. Would have been a home run.

They should've put a k20 and slamed a turbo on it so it could compete with the ST. The 8th gen si was great just because of the smooth and powerful K20

Honda should have provided Si Hatchback!, imho ...

Just wait another 150k miles till the engine gets very very very very loud.

I 100% agree with you! The engine is pretty much the only thing that was disappointing. It's too quiet and wish it had the vtec changeover. I loved my 8th gen SI because of the sky high redline and the vtec. As always, love your reviews.

I’m sorry I can not get behind the hate for the 10th gen+ si. For one, it doesn’t need navigation with Apple CarPlay. I have gone out of state, and multiple hours away and CarPlay works just as good as GPS. Everyone complains about VTEC. But it has vtec. It’s not on the exhaust side (which is the most prominent aspect) but it’s still there. No other generation si comes even close to the L15B7. The k20 and k24a are phenomenal engines. But with full bolt ons you’ll find it hard to make 250 WHP. This makes it with just a tune! Full bolt Ons and a tune on there make close to 300 Wheel. Out of a 1.5L. You get heated seats, premium audio, active dampeners, a LSD, dual climate control, and adaptive cruise control and Lane keeping assist on 2020+ models. I think although the engine is a low displacement, and doesn’t have the roaring VTEC aspects of the K20. It is still a phenomenal platform and works better than any other si with just a few modifications. I recommend watching MaPerformance videos on KZfaq to fully grasp this car. They have a shop car making 650. If you need bigger power and VTEC there is always the K20C1 in the type R.

The funny thing is that if you really want to hear this particular L15 engine howl, you can do so in a used Fit, which has next to no sound deadening a non-turbo, dumbed-down version of the motor. Also I like how the upcoming Accord takes the type r's motor and detunes it (and it's still available in a 6mt!!!). IMO the SI should've done the same. Would have loved to see a good old K20 with a turbo, even if they detuned it further to something like 225 hp. I just really like the characteristics of the K engine over the L. I'm even tempted by the base Civic LX with a manual, just so I could get a new civic with a K-series motor. Sorry for the word-vomit comment :P

So it's fun, get hondata and have more fun lol. I really want to get this car as a coupe . I own a 97 CL 3.0 so I think it would be nice. Thoughts?

Hey Sofyan...I gotta give you mad props for being real talk in this review.

Impressive video reiteration! Dang you know a lot about cars. Period, and it shows.

Hey, greetings from New Jersey!

Can't wait for that all new s2000 with a 1.5l turbo.

In Canada, an Si is $33k and an Elantra Sport is $24k.

I had a 2009 Civic SI with a full exhaust (headers, no cats, open muffler) Hondata and a CAI. It was awesome, a total screamer over 9K rpm and felt like it had a sport bike engine under the hood. it was so much fun. I raced my new stock 2010 GTI with my 2009 Civic SI and the Civic annihilated the GTI, I miss that Civic. After that Honda upped the displacement along with the torque but lowered the redline and the light flyweightness of the engine revs....

It should have at least 250hp

I have a 2017 Touring in the White Pearl color, was gonna get this but once I saw the back I just couldn't do it, glad I went with the Touring such a brilliant car.

Lease deals on Si’s now between $179-199/mo. It’s a steal at that rate. Making me rethink my intended hatch sport 6spd purchase.

Love your vids but please don't start with clickbait titles man.

Another civic review yay!

Disregarding the age, I still prefer the 8 gen rather than 9th and 10th gens

The previous generation Si had almost no power right off the line, it is rediculous. I think that's why they added the turbo, to distribute the power more evenly. They didn't add Vtec to the Si as another reason for buyers to step up to the Type R. And I'm so glad Honda didn't add any stickers to it. It's like a sticker on a minivan that says "Power sliding doors" fancily.

Honda should put the option Si onto the Hatchback, they will sell much more Si in the hatch than the coupe !

Did Honda Kill The 2017 Civic Si? I don't know because you didn't answer the question to the title of your own video.

That car looks dope

Get a duel cat back exhaust! Makes it so loud, that people on the street cover their ears and if police come around your car, you get a ticket for too much noise and they make you fix it! So just don't get caught!

Civic Si or Civic type R . . . Which is better at it's price.

I'd take an 8th gen over this any day of the week.

I need to get into my local Honda dealer and test drive one, at first I thought it would be disappointing but Im starting to like it. Wish it had Vtec, but I love my LX 6-speed!

i want an auto so my wife can use it too...we live in an apt and we dont want needing to switch our cars parking spot if we want to go out...and i want it to be my daughters practice car 10 yrs from now...and make a hatchback version for more cargo space......i have a feeling they made the si not so expensive just to move the sedan and coupe versions of civic

These civics are getting bigger and bigger, might as well be a cadillac.

Sofyan, how does this compare to the Toyota 86?

Love my Si. Plenty fast for everyday driving and the handling is amazing.

If Honda made the SI it's own niche vs all other civics by getting rid of the turbo COMPLETELY and only having VTEC, it would be a truly amazing sports car.

I realize I'm in the minority here, but I actually don't like cars that make a lot of noise. Don't get me wrong. I like fast cars. And I like Honda. (I owned a Honda CRX Si back in the day.) But I'd be happy with a silent electric car. For me, the worst are noisy cars that still don't go fast. Whereas the best are cars that go fast while making little if any noise. To me, loud cars belong at a race track. Yeah. Your car can go fast, but does that mean that the entire neighborhood has to know? Loud cars to me are kind of like those weightlifters at the gym that brag a lot and grunt a lot while lifting. Yeah. You're strong. Great. But do you have to make unnecessary noise simply to draw attention to yourself? Loud cars are not people, of course, but I still feel like their owners are somewhat similarly overcompensating. I like a car that "walks softly but carries a big stick". Yet that's just my opinion, and I know I'm in the minority.

Hondata to the rescue

Love it when you talk about Type R markup by dealers. Agree 100%

This by far is better then the previous SI in every way.

No Honda is worth markups.

A civic si should be naturally aspirated with vtec

Someone needs to make a fake bumper cutout delete kit for these new Hondas.......I can't deal with so many black patches.

110% agree with this review. Great job and feel the same about the whole package. The motor especially. 😭

IMO YES!! I 💙 my 8th Gen!!

The problem is that the best strengths of the 2017 Si are strengths of the 10th gen Civic, not the Si. The Si is the worst trim of the best Civic yet. Best interior. Best chassis. Best refinement. .....but no HondaSensing, less features than Touring trim, cheap cloth fabric interior trims. The "Sport" button with adaptive dampers are just a gimmick as 90% of owners would just end up using Sport mode all the time. I could live without VTEC if there was more raw power to enjoy, but they just got lazy and said "we added more torque, that's all you complained about". VTEC was what made the meager 200hp more exciting than it was on paper. All they did was take the great 10th gen Civic and applied a basic checklist from the previous Si instead of actually pushing the bar. And wanting to not steal light from the TypeR is stupid. The WRX is the best example of having strong, non-neutered examples of both would do nothing but build excitement for the brand. Sigh Honda........

Good review man. I test drove a new SI. I own an 8th gen SI sedan. I wasn't impressed by how the new one drove. It felt pretty similar to the 8th at lower speed. I'm not in any rush to trade in for the new one. The engine is a let down for sure. It's dull. I'm glad Honda added more sound deadening to the car but the motor is isolated from the driver when compared to the K series motors.

2017 civic Si owner here love everything about it except how the top end dies out Easy fix with k tunner and downpipe but still I have a Prl intake and invidia Gemini exhaust and pretty happy with it

For the money the Si is really hard to beat. And if they give deals because of slow sales, it'll even be more of a bargain. Vtec is old, not economical and the midrange is whats widely used more so than the topend anyway. Definitely quicker than my 9th gen but lacking in sound which gives you somewhat false sense of speed (slow.) I just wish it was available in hatchback. The sport hatchback looks more sportier than the Si, odd.

Sounds weak af

This video proves that sometimes you need to just see for yourself. I love my 2020 Si coupe and that’s coming from a K20 RSX.

That 1.5 totally turned me off when I took it for a test drive last July. No vtec yo, no top end, loud, rough, and a bit of lag, and I didn't particularly care for the clutch pick up points. The rest of the car was fairly good, missing a few options like LED headlights and built in nav, but it has a good price. Sadly, that engine was a turn off.

You're not suppose to rest your hand on the shifter for manual cars FYI.

that 1.5T kills the car for me

I think critics overall are just a bit too harsh on the Si. I knew when they introduced the Civic R. The Si obviously will became the second banana. I think to my understanding is Honda should increase the power, keep the V-tech, and put dam knobs in the info tainment center.

Honda has lost their way. No more V6 Accord Coupe? Bye.

They should have put the DCT in this like they'd planned. Then it'd be worth considering.