So, did Kreia *intentionally intend* to kill them, or do you think she was giving them a choice? If you're a twittor user, come follow me and help me reach 1k followers! - twitter.com/100PerStarWars

Am I the only who would have LOVED a comic or novel about Kreia and/or Jolee as youngsters during the Great Sith Wars?

Short answer: No. If you kill them, she’s pissed off. I think it’s pretty clear she wanted to show them what it was like to be stripped of the force, and they (who relied always on little but it) could not survive without. If you check the corpse to try and revive them after the fact, it says they are worse then dead. That being said, I have not yet watched the video…

She presented the Jedi Masters with the exact same choice Meetra Surik had to make at malacor 5 when the mass shadow generator was activated. Give up the force and live, or hold onto the force and die. They chose the force and proved that they had become completely dependent on it and lacked the courage that Meetra had. The same courage that they condemned and exiled her for…arrogance indeed. The Jedi’s weakness is arrogance in their teaching and knowledge, the Sith’s weakness is arrogance in ones power and abilities. Traya exposed both the Sith and the Jedi. And got revenge for her betrayal. The last thing to pay would be the force itself. The death of the force was her final goal; which she was unable to achieve

Kreia isn't my "favorite sith" but philosphically, she's unrivaled... even among the jedi. She believed the Force enslaved all living things and wanted to free everyone from the force which would bring the idea of free will. In the Star Wars universe, there isn't really free will in the universal sense since the Force constantly tries to balance itself. If there is too much Light, darkness must come to keep things in check. And if there's absolute darkness, life is nonexistent. Kreia, to me, sees this as a paradox (for lack of a better word) and wants to bring free will throughout the galaxy.

I love that Kreia is making a comeback in SW content. She is the best character in my opinion.

Yes and No. No. She wanted them to live in order to learn the Failings of the Jedi and become better as a result and pass on that new knowledge to the next Jedi. Yes. When they took the Truth and Condemned it, Kreia realized that nothing would change and the Jedi would continue to be corrupted so she decided to give them One Final Lesson. The Path of the Exile. This led to them being stripped from The Force and as a result died due to their over reliance of it.

You don't need the Force. The Force needs you.

I wonder how the Jedi Council of the Clone Wars era would chose... If Kreia gave them the same option...

Kreia: the most complex and mysterious star wars character ever

Basically, Order 66, but the Sith Lord behind it killed the Jedi themselves, instead of micromanaging the whole thing.

Kreia after killing the masters: 'Oh no, so anyway'

What I do not understand is why Zez-Kai-El was against the Exile at the enclave ? On Nar-Shaddaa he expressed regret for his actions against the exile and admitted that the Jedi counsel was arrogant.

Kreia: *Kills the last members of the Jedi Council* Meetra: "What motive did you have to do such inhuman thing, Kreia?!" Kreia: "A simple mind like yours would never understand" *45 years ago* Kreia: "Hey, Ulic! Would you like to take a walk with me through the Enclave?" Ulic: "Thanks for your offer, Kreia. But I have to do some "Jedi stuff" with Nomi right now" Kreia: "Oh, ok. Good luck, anyway!" Ulic: "Bye" *Goes away* Kreia: "This Jedi apathy is just killing me..."

I'm a strong proponent of .'s philosophy of Kreia, that she sought the death of the force. And I still stand by my previous statment, with acceptence of their death from your answer. I don't believe her intention leaned towards killing them or not, more just stripping them of the force like how they would do to the exile had kreia not stopped them. And they being lessons of hubrice and arrogance in the game decided that death was prefferebable to life without the force.

As much as I love Revan and KOTOR 1, Kreia is By far the greatest character in the Star Wars universe and KOTOR 2 has the greatest dialog out of any Star Wars content.

I do really love Kreia's quotes Many are applicable to real life, such as Apathy is Death or To Believe in an Ideal

Kreia was the one who opened up the Force to me as well as nuance not everything is simple and not everything is complicated just keep your eyes open and be careful and deliberate in your movements.

Question for 100% Star Wars. What would you say is Kreia's character flaw? All great characters go through something, a flaw they have to overcome, and I see so many people always talk about how smart and amazing Kreia is, and while I 100% agree, I always wonder what is her flaw. What does she overcome in KOTOR 2? Is her flaw that she can't see that the thing she hated, the force always trying to balance itself no matter how many lives are lost and trying to kill it so people are free from it, is what is ironically causing the force to do all this "genocide." That in going against it's will by using the dark side, she is unknowingly contributing to the force needing to correct itself and thus sacrifice countless lives, while if people simply didn't use the dark side and allowed balance to happen, then such "genocide" from the force wouldn't happen? Is her flaw that she can't see how she contributes to the problem she wants to destroy?

I don't think Kreia wanted to kill them either. She foreshadows, I think, through her little chat with Atton on the Telos Citadel Station about what a Jedi is without The Force. Her initial plan was to show the Jedi and Sith their flaws, treat The Force differently and try to improve. Sadly this got her betrayed by the very people who refused to take in her teachings.

Well there are 5 motives that define muder , retribution or vengeance is one of them .

Connor Macleod: “there can be only be one!” Kreia: “APATHY IS DEATH!”

Hmmm... I realize now that I never really understood this game when I played it. I couldn't figure Kreia out because she was so middle of the road. Unfortunately, her subtlety was lost on me. It's cool to understand it now.

She gave them the same choice the exile was faced with and she had a pretty good idea what they would choose (Death) and she didn't mind. The character and story depth in KOTOR 1 & 2 is so amazingly deep it creates so many of these philosophical questions to think about. I play both of these games again every few years even though I have played them so many times already. Its depressing how we probably won't see another game of this caliber in our life time.

She gave them a choice- live WITHOUT THE FORCE or DIE HOLDING ONTO IT. I always wondered if things would have been different if master vash had survived & went to dantooine

Before watching the video the title made me think of Kreia pulling a Steve Urkel after killing the Jedi Masters, looking around and going "Did I do that?" Kreia used a technique on them unknown to the Jedi called "Force Truth" which made their mind implode because they couldn't handle being wrong about anything, shattering their Force spirit to the wind and leaving their bodies as husks on the ground.

I dont know if ots the first time you've done it but i never noticed it before. But i love how you used the dialog from kotor to match your speech. Perfect! 15/10 for that alone!

Both she wanted them to change as you say she's a teacher first and foremost you can't learn if you dead, think she also was a bit petty she wanted to prove she was right all along. however she knew that if the masters we're left free they would try to kill her and the exile and sweep it all under the rug and start the jedi order again without learning from past mistakes which she couldn't allow.

"Let me show you, YOU who have forever seen the galaxy through the force. See it through the eyes of the exile." The three masters relied on the force to survive and when Kreia cut them off from it, they died.

I think her intention was to strip them of the force, knowing full well that they wouldn’t be able to survive, show them their weakness

Part of me wishes kavar and zez kai ell didn't die because they seemed like they would have change it just seemed strange that they wouldn't vrook on the other hand seems like the only one that would stay set in his ways

"Is Kreia a villain?" Keep in mind that a well-intentioned extremist is still an extremist. Whatever your views on Kreia's philosophy or goals, the well-intentioned extremist is a trope for a reason. That is how we get villains even in self-sacrifice. A Sith might not sacrifice herself for a Jedi, but a villain (of the WIE variety) of any stripe might sacrifice themselves for their own views to succeed.

Amazing and fascinating video my friend as always. As you know I first learned about Kreia from Darthycey's videos and sorry again and of course from your videos. I did see Kreia as a villain in the beginning, manipulating and causing pain to others but I wouldn't compare her to Emperor Palpatine. I was little confused when you said she drained the force out of the Jedi Masters when she killed them because I thought only Darth Nihilus had the ability of force drain? I agree with you that Kreia didn't kill the Masters intentionally, that she was trying to save the Jedi Exile. Your also right that the Masters were arrogant, stubborn and narrow minded for not listening to Meetra Surik and passing judgment on her like that. When I first watched your video on Meetra Surik back in 2017 I said to you that if Meetra had gone before the Jedi Council during the Clone Wars era that Masters Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu wouldn't have been so harsh on her. Especially Yoda. Looking forward to your next video my friend. My friend also forgive me for asking you the same thing over and over again about your thoughts on last Friday's episode of the Bad Batch Rescue on Ryloth. Hera and Omega made a good team, 4 episodes left in season 1 and I'm still hoping you'll do a review

I have never played this game but feel almost like I have from all the videos you and others have made.

I always thought that Kreia just severed their connection to the force and the shock from it put all the masters in a coma like state ? 🤔🤔

Wait was this a mater for debate? Whether she killed them or not? Well.. apparently... Go Luke! Educate us on Kreia matters! =D About if she's a villain.. not in a traditional sense, though she possesses many villainous traits. She both guides and threaten the protagonist. She's means to correct the galaxy but she goes about it in a very manipulative and forceful matter. Anti villain perhaps? Or does every story need a villain?

Kreia's main goal was that she wanted the force to die, she came to the conclusion that the force had a will and it's will ultimately caused all the wars and suffering in the galaxy. The exile had a kind of ability, the "wound" as mentioned wich feeds on the force. The jedi masters explain that in the end. So if you join the darkside in the game and choose to stay at the academy essentially the exile will train new students to become wounds in the force (the jedi also mention that) and that was Kreia's ultimate agenda. Why she was so contradictory and otherwise hypocritical is the biggest mystery about her. Ultimately it didn't matter what you choose weather it be a bad or good choice she had a lecture for it. Kreia had her own teachings that otherwise conflict with both ideologies, the sith didn't like her and nether did the jedi. She never did quote a single sith lesson or their code.

As for the question, seeing the explanation opens my Eyes And I will say that she didn't want to kill the Jedi Masters As she said to Mical, why to win in such a way, If her teachings aren't seen as true? So, I do support your opinion, that she gave them a choice to let go the Force, like Meetra did Also, a question about KOTOR, If may I ask it What happened with Juhani and Jolee after the end of the Jedi Civil War? I've read that Jolee went to Exile again, But Juhani's fate is never explained Did she perished on Katarr?

Kreia wanted a full reset. She saw the flaws of the jedi teachings and used a drastic measure to stop these flaws from being repeated, after all peaceful solutions were out of option. As she says herself at one point - she wanted to see them defeated, not necessarily murdered. She wanted them to see the error of their ways. And she knew that if the Exile chooses to continue the jedi way then there's a huge chance that at least some of her teachings will be included to the future jedi dogmas, making the universe a better place. Still, love that moment where a couple of wise and powerful masters are completely outclassed by Kreia's mastery of the force. This is what Palpatine should've been in the third movie, never liked that a random Mace Windu can match Palpatine, even if from a storywriting perspective it's not a bad idea

The jedi chose death with they drained the exile from the force, refused to listen & ignited their sabers. But i think its possible she gave them choice knowing she will have to kill them if they do not accept. And its not for the sake of being evil just more of a necessary thing to do in that moment from her perspective. Also you can see where she made her mind up to kill them when she said “you will not harm her, you will not harm her ever again.” At least this is how I perceived it to be. Honestly though I had to sit and think on this cause im trying to see it from Kreia’s perspective and not my own. Thanks for the video Luke! 💜

Just rewatched that scene and oh man, still gives me chills all these years later I appreciate that KOTOR 2 acknowledge that the death of an entire planet is super traumatizing, especially for people who are literally connected to the universe and life. In the new movies an entire STAR SYSTEM was destroyed and not a single force user(or any other person who might have had family or friends in that sector) reacts in any way. Its the equivalent of couple nukes dropping in a populated city and nobody gives a shit. In a new hope they at least have Obi Wan and Lea react, even though Lea gets over her home getting vaporized pretty fast. Since the Star Wars money machine has no sign of slowing down, I am really hoping somebody does something with the post-war-PTSD concept If they give it to somebody with a clear vision, I think the post episode 9 universe can still produce some interesting stories (the reason I don't dislike The Last Jedi is because they at least tried to do something like that, it's just they have no clear vision and goal, also I don't think Disney would let someone to do that on the big screen, but with the SW series, there is hope)

From what I remember and felt I believe she wants purpose in all things. if change or compromise furthers ones purpose then she considers it a necessity. she has changed much in her life and she believes for the better. she loathes those that don't change like the jedi. she saw how mira grew after disconnecting herself from the forces and almost idolised her. something that kiera could not yet do. kiera gave those 3 jedi masters the choice to follow mitra's path so they could grow and find purpose but they could not shake their belief system of the jedi order as the brainwashing with their existence could not be shaken/changed. they died from it. kiera wishes she could lose her powers and be cut off as mitra did until she found out it was from fear/hatred and wanting to survive that she cut herself off from the force and not a genuine desire to be free from the force and grow from that experience. akin to a new game+ mode where you keep your knowledge but start from scratch. Kiera sees it as being reborn and followed mira to learn how it was achieved. Kiera is neither sith nor jedi. neither good or bad. she's done bad things even abhorrent things but she never stopped growing as a being, learning from her mistakes and success. she would make the perfect grey jedi. always growing/adapting and not being restricted but single trains of thoights/beliefs from the jedi or sith. thankyou if you read all that.

I'm currently playing through KOTOR again for the first time in several years, and for the first time I'm really trying to fully complete everything. Thus far, however, I'm having trouble getting through all of HK-47's and Jolee Bindo's dialogue and story options. I know you've already done extensive videos covering HK, but could you do one fully detailing everything about Jolee's life?

Simply... Revan was the child Kreia wanted, but The Exile was the child she needed.

I have a feeling that the process of being stripped from the force is like a tug of war between the caster and receiver where the force user can resist said process but the price for failing to resist is deadly where in your attempt to become one again with the force the ability to seperate the force from the user is indistinguishable and the caster actually inadvertadly rips them out of their body with the force and they die. That is why they were reffered to as life less Because it's not even natural death life was taken from their body in its entirety of their own ignorance and blind struggle its a technical in verse meaning and a double meaning to the philosophy of the jedi and kreia

Do we have any information about how did the Exile rebuild the order after KOTOR II? Sadly The Old Republic puts her on the sidelines, but it would be interesting to know if she heeded any of Kreia's teachings while dealing with new jedi.

in my opinion, jedi enclave rebuilt is the best of the entirety of star wars, both the music, the characters and the dialogue along side the twist and the questions/answers behind the words are the best of star wars, havn't seen anything in star wars that came close to that.

Renee Zellweger is the perfect actress to play Kreia. Watch her opening monologue in her new TV show on Netflix called What/if. Gave me chills!

As cool as The Dark Side is with its powers, it's The Light Side canon that provides us with such great and powerful dialogue.

She didn't outright kill them she just played a checkmate. She gave them the choice knowing what their choice would be.

Video idea: What would the Jedi be like if the masters listened to the Exile and changed their views?

She is a villain because the ends justify the means. She had incredible and potentially just goals, but was fine with something like Nihilus or even Sion running around. Promoted it even as a member of the triumvirate. Also your interpretation of the Jedi Master's deaths is the best one imo.

This actually reminds me of another of Kreia’s quotes at the beginning of the game right after Peragus. “Pub, like so many Jedi; you hear but do not listen. You have much to learn.” The council just would not listen to anything that challenged their beliefs. To do so would be to admit that they were flawed. Of the three I feel Zez-Kai-El had the best chance to make the same choice that Meetra had but not even he was willing to make that choice.

Why is it that so many say that Meetra and her apprentices changed the order when, even by The Old Republic time, the Jedi are basically exactly the same if not worse?

omg more kotor 2 videos with new topics. i live for this

I loved kriea and her views on the force. Her teachings really had me considering my actions sure helping out a guy a giving him credits sounds like a good idea to get you light side points but when that man then dies cause others are jealous of him you realise that action wasn't so good. I honestly believed the reason why kriea wanted to force dead or deafened was because the true sith emperor a man who used the force to destroy an entire planet to become immortal must be deeply connected to the force and that by taking away that connection or deafening it would weaken him. She wanted to create jedi that didn't relay on the force everything she did while bad was for a greater good and wad leading up to a frankly amazing kotor 3 but then they ruined it with swtor

I think by this point it was a win win situation for Kreia. Her plan was to groom The Exile to be the killing blow to the force, should she fall in their final confrontation on Malachor V. Should Kreia be the one to fall, then the Jedi have a fresh, clean start under one who was under her tutelage, thus free of the previous Council's hubris and arrogance. I think she intended a worse fate for the Jedi Masters, however.

Technically she killed them, but she sort of gave them a choice "Lose the force or die" and they chose to die.

Kreia is like an Ozymandias type villain.

She is difficult to see, she is like a shadow of the exile

Did she murder them, or did she simply strip them of the Force? The Exile made a choice to turn away from the Force. The Jedi depended on it and wholly embraced it. When it was stripped from them so quickly, the shock drained them completely. They felt what all those beings on Katarr felt, what the Exile felt, what all the echoes in the Force were caused by. Every war, every murder, every transgression, it was directed straight into them in that moment. And they died for it.

They died because they couldn't let go of the Force, even when it was being ripped away from them. That's what Kreia did, she ripped the Force from them, hoping they might live without it. Unlike the Exile who proved it was possible to give up the Force and live, even if you were previously deeply connected to it, the Master's could not make such a choice.

I think she gave them the choice, but knew that they probably would not chose to live without the force... They didn't know how. In fact, in all of history, the Jedi Exile was essentially the only one in history who had willingly made that choice (albeit unconciously).

Intentionally, probably not. I think she REALLY wanted them to live without The Force. They had a chance to either live, cut off from The Force, like Ulic Kel Droma, and Meetra, or die. They all chose death. Thus proving her point of how much they actually relied on The Force.

No, she didn't want to kill them. She only killed them because they threatened to undo everything the Exile had accomplished and was about to accomplished. Because they had learned nothing. They were so close to learning what the Exile learned... and then reverted back to being blind Jedi. Kreia's goal was so much more than just luring them to Dantooine. She, ideally, wished for the Jedi Masters to turn away from the Force willingly, just like the Exile. Failing that, she would have settled for the Masters to see that the Exile and Kreia had been right about what they had done and were about to do. But none of that happened. They self-righteously held onto their flawed beliefs instead of abandoning what were clearly half-baked ideas, their aggression dooming them.

I think Kreia gave the Jedi Masters a choice in the same way Jigsaw gives people choices in the Saw movies. Either go through this horribly traumatic experience, or die. Feels like murder to me, even if the victims were technically the deciding factor. The conditions that allowed it to happen came from Kreia, even if she didn't want them to die.

0:56 - "utterly lifeless" prolly meaning "microbeless crisp". 2:45 - ah, but isn't it any flatearther's ultimate win condition - to be validated? 3:04 - aww yiss: I just love them sith stories where there the jedi actually happen to be pure evil. And how the sith rise to the call juust fiine, heh-heh...

Honestly I think the jedi killed themselves in this moment. And it even proves palpatines point about power that those who possess it fear to lose it, and this included the jedi explicitly. This moment proves that statement.

Personally I think that she didn't car whether they lived or died. I think she gave the the same choice Meetra faced when she was on Malachor. As they stated they weren't the ones who stripped Meetra of her powers. And Kreia explains why meters lived and why she gave up her power when faced with that choice. And the fact that the media made no attempt to understand was infuriating and so she instead forced them to make that decision themselves. And if they lived then there was a chance that they could understand what she saw was the truth. Earlier in the game the same moment when she explains what happened to Meetra she explains that Atton was lucky because he could survive where others who felt the force could not because of their unwillingness to let go. So I think she knew they would probably die but I'm not sure it was relevant to her intent.

I would have liked the dialogue of this to play out a bit more. Like maybe one of them survives temporarily, but then chooses death when he can’t feel the force.

I believe all action have consequences, and for the jedi order failures and wrong action in Kreia eyes. The consequences is for them to be strip on the power they have wrongly used but they refused so kreia killed them .

This is possibly a dumb question but its honest and i think interesting to discuss (atleast for me) I was i think 12 or 13 when Revenge of the Sith came out, and i remember during the movie discovering that senator palpatine was the sith emperor from the OT and first two prequels. Now as an adult i look back and it seems obvious the entire time that palpatine was the emperor. When i watch the phantom menace its plain as day due to the nose/voice, although Ian McDiarmid def worked to make the two characters sound somewhat different through cadence/tone. My question is for the old SW heads who saw the OT in theaters and then watched the first two prequels, did you know who the emperor was? Did everyone always know it was eventually going to be palpatine? Or was there an era in which everyone was making theories and guesses as to HIS true identity? Was there a time when we all thought senator palpatine was a good guy? What was that like to then find out he was the emperor? Were your minds blown like mine was when i was a kid or did you already know?

To be honest I wasn't entirely sure. Your view of what she said at the last moment before draining the force from the three Jedi masters does seem valid. I hadn't quite thought about it like that. I always did believe she was coming from a place of goodness perhaps unlike Nihilus and Sion. (You could maybe make a case for them being tragic villains). But I couldn't quite explain it other than maybe holding onto a hope (that the living master's would concede) which a rational person would write off as being for naught/in vain. Not necessarily in a pessimistic or despondent way, just simply overlook it, because if you look at the kind of people the Jedi masters had become by that point, it's fairly obvious that there's no way they're ever really going to change their ways of seeing things. I am a subscriber to the "hooray for stupidity" notion about the three Jedi masters, basically mocking them. That said ...The way Kreia went about things, to me, made me unsure if she was even fully self-aware, or perhaps wonder if she is simply unpleasable and a liar who doesn't see she has maybe twisted her desire for the Jedi to learn with her desire for revenge against her former apprentices. I confess, I see a bit of myself in how Meetra is portrayed elsewhere as "difficult to read perhaps because she doesn't completely trust herself". I tend to fall into that albeit for different reasons than her. The flaw of this is that you might miss gestures of good intent as much as cues of bad. However, in the way you have put it, finally I can find the how and why of what goodness remains of her, where I couldn't before.

The way I always viewed it was that Kreia gives them the choice to turn from the force like the exile but ultimately knew they wouldn’t proving she was right that both the Jedi and the sith rely too much on the force which she sees as a weakness. This is why she’s so interested in Meetra since she was able to turn away from the force.

Isn't her entire thing is a desire to kill the force? She found it had a will of its own, that is was too powerful to resist, and she hated it for it?

Why was Visas Maar so willing to help and join the Jedi Exile so soon? I would habe thought that Nihilus would have a far stronger grip on her and her mind to prevent such things to happen so easily.

I look at it this way. When she walked in did she intend on killing them absolutely no. When it was clear they weren’t listening to her and they were preparing to attack absolutely she was of the mind to end them. You can’t teach those who refuse to listen and learn

i think she meant to drain them of the force not only to see if they could survive it, but to prove the exile was stronger because they did

So Surik was mistaken for Nihilus. Vrook only did this so that she/he could be ashamed of him/herself. Dann Vrook! He is so cruel that he wants to drench Revan in tears and Surik’s blood!

How should I know, her true intentions were lost to history after she perished at Malachor V. BTW, I still think she was bluffing about the "True Sith". They most likely didn't exist, and are actually the coming Yuuzhan Vong so to lessen doubts and hesitance.

Her just goal though was the death of the Force. She felt it weakened those who used it and hated the Force for it taking away "free will" by allowing predestination. Her goal would have caused death on a galactic scale all because of her personal believe.

Kreia seems to have the same contempt for the Jedi masters as she had for Sion. When she met with Sion on Peragus she told him: "To have fallen so far and learned nothing, that is your failing." She could have said the same or something similar to the Jedi masters: "To have risen so high and learned nothing, that is your failing.", although this would have been too much on the nose, and her final monologue to the masters is flawless as is. She had given them a fair chance for redemption by listening to the Exile/Meetra and learn from her, but they chose to go on with business as usual. Kreia knew this wasn't wisdom, this was apathy and clinging on to beliefs for the sake of holding on to them. ("Revan maybe didn't betray the Jedi, a sacrifice resembles a betrayal to the ignorant mind. To stay true to yourself you sometimes have to let go of your convictions.") Kreia was one of my favourite homies, and in my first playthrough I was devastated that I had to battle her to death, frantically seeking for the dialogue option to redeem her and let her live. Her 'burial' at Malachore V didn't satisfy me either, I wanted to build her a tomb on Korriban, and to order to the Sith to treat her with the utmost respect. To see her die broke my heart.

I love the kotor verse but sadly I fall short on kreia love her interesting backstory to her councilor skills to sith one of the best characters in my opinion my only thing I dislike about kreia is she's tries to ruin everything you do and from the start if you notice she's very manipulative you the player notice but can't say or do anything about it even after you tell her to stop violating your mind and privacy charming really lol 💙 I think that's about it. she was funniest moments & trolling the crew was great well and her mommy 👩 figure to your character like really moma kreia make sure you know about the birds 🐦 & bees 🐝😉🤣 kreia gave more info than my mom sitting me down and have the talk about boys can't put it in your no no place.

It's very hard to say. In one light I agree with you based on some of the dialog she did seem like she more so wanted the jedi see that their teachings were wrong and that she was write then to actually kill them. But then on malachore when she's talking during the final battle it seems like she did want them to die along with the sith. The sith for betraying her. And the jedi for casting her out. On the grand scheme of things it almost seemed like she wanted both the jedi and the sith lords to die so that there would be a balance and could be a new beginning which was also why she wanted you to kill her too. That and she wanted to break you and for you to fall to the Darkside as well. She also mentions that she hates the force and how it seems to control everything. Overall there are many ways things can be interpreted and perceived. She was definitely an interesting character

Technicality, if you actually listen to the story her entire purpose is to kill the force not life, see life without the force and live on your own terms ,not some power that dictates things. Basically that is as she teaches you The true lesson of strength, to live with your own power not the one that is gives to you or one that relies on others. She did give them a choice, one they refused because of their endless war.

Have you ever done reactions to Dudufilm's Kreia videos?

8:56: You know, you're lucky your comments section only has a hundred or less comments. It might not be the "suitable amount", but it is easy enough to read them all in one sitting.

She knew they would refuse to give up the force, so i think she did intentionally kill them

Thumbnail: .... Me: Yes, she hated the force.

It says this Jedi master ISNT dead but devoid of the force

I always assumed that being empty of force and life their bodies would just dry out and never rot. Like leaving out a diet soda: it might be toxic but it will never rot.

This might just be dud question, what would Palpatine think of Kreia and her ways?

When I first played I always thought she just straight up killed them. However, now what I think happens is she shows them what the exile encountered, and that's the echo where there is no force and instead of choosing to cut themselves off of the force to live, they choose to stick to their beliefs and die, because they'd rather be dead then live in a world without the force

Her dialogue immediately beforehand makes it clear to me that she's giving them a choice. I believe she has zero faith that they would survive it, given how they have repeatedly displayed their inability to comprehend Mitra's choice. She later says that No One had ever made that choice before Mitra. Had they listened or merely not chosen to harm Mitra I don't think she would have done it. She was staying out of it until she had to step in. And then using a force bond/wound technique she simulated what Mitra experienced and they predictably chose death. That being said I believe whole heartedly that she wanted them out of the way one way or another. Because they do represent the old guard. If you kill them all beforehand she's displeased not that you did so, but that you had the wrong reasons. That you'd learned nothing. You're just like any other Sith, and have failed her. She states in that route that, they basically had to be removed, but that she wanted to conquer them with her teachings. So, even had they not provoked her then, she likely would have done something to insure that only the Exile remained to rebuild the order.

Disney's greatest failing was not learning from the expanded universe. Kreia is quite possibly the best-written character in all of Star Wars. If we had had characters as nuanced as Kreia instead of Snoke or Sidious returning, the sequel trilogy might have been lauded as brilliant instead of damned as a travesty.

I certainly think she thought they deserved to die, but she wanted them to die knowing that their teachings were a failure, as they thought hers were. She would have hated the "trust in the living force" Jedi of the prequels like Qui-gon Jinn, and wouldn't have hesitated to kill them. The conversation they had with Meetra in the enclave was her "last chance" for them. I like the idea that in her "good side", she wanted the Order to have a new beginning. If you look at the exile and all her jedi party members, they all turned away from the traditional path of the force in one way or another. Mira and Atton lowkey hated the jedi of the wars, Visas saw deepest into both sides of the force, Mira felt the planetary energy of the force firsthand. Kreia even had a bit of pride in her voice when predicting your group's future.

I think that she did intend their deaths, but only after being stripped of the force. My reason for saying this is at the end of the game before you battle Kreia, you can say "you used me" and she responds yes, and one of the reasons is "so the last of the jedi could be found and killed" the same with Atris so "her corrupt teachings could end before they spread."

Why is there a debate on whether or not Gideon knew who Luke skywalker was

Excellent video

I dont believe she intended to kill them but she also knew what she was doing would kill them so....