My anxiety peaks everytime the narrator says "live" through this.

It’s never as simple as what people think.

Billy Corgan definitely wrote “Malibu”; it’s got all of his guitar-isms all throughout

I had no idea Hole played You Know You’re Right unplugged back in 95. She definitely wanted to use that one

You mean do I believe Courtney Love used demos Kurt was working on before he passed away? ABSOLUTELY

Billy had a major role in Celebrity Skin but Courtney still denied he had major involvement. She struggles to give anyone credit for anything. Her parents,her trust fund,any significant others, her former band mates. And then at the slightest criticism she deflects with someone just hating her due to being an anti feminist… as if she is infallible because she’s a female. Next do a video of the many inconsistencies of Courtney Love… then one thing will be clear… why no one can believe Courtney Love

Might not be true, but Billy definitely wrote most of Celebrity Skin.

"Malibu" is straight Smashing Pumpkins.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. It’s not that Kurt composed Live Through This, but likely influenced it in subtle ways. Maybe even advised Courtney at times. As 2 singer songwriters in a relationship, that’s bound to happen. Corgan’s influence on Celebrity Skin, on the other hand, is super obvious and not a secret.

Oh my God even her Unplugged has the same ambient and decorations as Nirvana's!

It’s no coincidence that Live Through This sounded like Nirvana and Celebrity Skin sounded like Smashing Pumpkins. The difference is Billy Corgan could never allow himself to go uncredited

Guys do you know that there are bootleg versions of violet as early as November 1991 or even earlier. At that point kurt and Courtney just literally started seeing each other. I doubt he would ghost write for her after a couple weeks of intermittent dating.

Don't underestimate the role of Kristin Pfaff from Minneapolis or the fact that the album was produced by Sean Slade and Paul Q. Kolderie and mixed by Scott Litt and J Mascis. You should at least know the latter and perhaps also take a look at the reference lists of the other two. Pablo Honey? Ghost wrote? Yeah, Zeitgeist!

Hard to say. So many bands at that time would cop elements of the big successful bands of that era. I was in a band then (actually played a show with hole), and after Soundgarden became influential all of a sudden everyone (ourselves included) were dropping down to D. After Alice In Chains? Spooky harmonies became a thing. Dont get me started with all the marble mouth singers that came out because of Eddie Vedder. And With Love literally sharing a bed with Cobain? id be surprised if his influence didn’t rub off on her! But I also think he probably did help her as well. Probably a bit of both influence and help.

It’s live through this, not live through this! 😆

Kurt and Billy were heavily involved. End of Story.

If Billy helped her write music im pretty sure she got help from kurt as well right she hasn’t made anything that stood out I don’t believe she ever will or could 🎶✌🏽

If you listen to isolated tracks from her shows, she can’t even play her instrument. So how did she do it herself…

Celebrity skin was a great album. I don’t care who wrote. That whole album slapped.

'Doll Parts' is a funny & sad song. That whole album is great.

In my high school clique we all thought he wrote those songs. It wasn’t a secret.

The woman is a vampire in so many ways

He definitely wrote it as Billy did with celebrity skin. If Cortney has any song writing ability she have a lot more albums

Doll parts? I mean come on. Kurt was obsessed with dolls

I remember reading an interview with Kurt or watching an interview where he states whenever he comes up with a riff at home Courtney jumps on it & says can I have that? And Kurt sheepishly says he replies go ahead take it. Then he further stated he will even hide in a closet to play guitar & work on coming up with riffs where she can’t necessarily hear him for fear she‘ll ask to take whatever new he is working.

Your AI voice-over pronounced Live Through This Wrong.

I’m 43 soon to be 44 I have loved Nirvana since I was a kid. I am a fan of Cortney Love too. I remember seeing Hole at Lalapoolooza in 1995. Courtney Love was saying bad things about Bikini kill. Right after talking bad about Bikini Kill Courtney Love said something like “Let’s play that song that we wrote with Kurt!” She seemed to have said to her bandmates. Then they went into a song. I don’t remember what song it was. I love Hole though. So maybe they both influenced each other.

Who ever wrote it.... Live through this is a very good album. Enjoy it! ❤️☀️🤗

Not ONE mention of her ACTUAL first album Pretty on the inside - Only ignorant people say Live through this is the first album. Prettyt On the Inside was a good album in it's own right, dirtier and grungier, but it shows clearly that Courtney and Hole were not ripping off Kurt - they had their own thing going and it was pretty good. Certainly live through this had Kurt influence, and they were a couple so surely he gave her pointers and maybe collabed a little but, but Hole had their sound before Kurt. This album is just more focused and polished.

It sounds nothing like Kurt would write.

Is the voiceover an A.I? Inconsistent pronunciation of Live.

Im sure Kurt and Billy Corgan wrote allot of her songs.

In Utero is anything but "an attempt at commercial."

What's that song playing through this video and really audible at the end of the vid

I really like your channel and your approach to these topics, very mature, fair, diplomatic and sane.

I would have to say they both were in each other’s music writing because in a interview Kurt says how he liked to listen to Courtney’s music while she was making it and Courtney did that same so I feel that would have influenced both to make hole sound a bit like nirvana and for Nirvana to get more good with lyrics

Courney Love is the human embodiment of a half-smoked Virginia Slim. It was gross to begin with, but now it's nothing but pure bitterness and tar.

Hole was a band, it wasn't just Courtney. Eric, Patti, and Kristen were equally talented musicians and writers.

Who wrote that song shown on Hit So Hard ? I believe it's called Stinkin' of You. It seems it was a melody of Vourtney's, I love that riff. If she wrote that then I can believe she has some potential to have written most of her own stuff

Patty Shimmel (Hole's drummer) wrote in her book that Courtney worked best with producers who took her ideas and reworked them into melodic songs. Courtney didn't do well alone. Patty lived with Courtney and Kurt and had no reason to hide the truth. If Kurt wrote Hole's songs, Patty would have known.

He probably helped her melodies on that album, Billy definitely wrote for her tho I think we can all agree on that

So many things pointing to Kurt writing songs on this album. The cord progressions, lyrics & quite-loud dynamics on many of the songs, the fact that Billy Corgan wrote their next album, and the fact that nowhere in the liner notes was Kurt mentioned or thanked even though it's a fact he sang backup vocals on at least one of the album's songs. Plus, Courtney is such a leech-fraud in general.

What about their Pretty On The Inside album? Live Through This was not the first Hole LP. Omitting that kinda compromises your whole criticism here. 💯

I have long suspected that Kurk ghost wrote at least some of Hole's songs.

daamn what's music in background on intro?

Most singers don’t write all of their songs. Big bands like the Beatles or Fleetwood Mac not only had at least 3 of the band members writing lyrics, but they also contributed to music composition. I don’t think a song like Fleetwood Mac’s « Dreams » would have been as good if only Stevie would have written it, yet it is her song. Collaborative art makes it difficult to know when one’s influence stops and another starts because people with bounce off of each other with ideas. Courtney Love was not the best song writer or music composer with Hole’s first album « Pretty on the Inside ». Though there is wonderful potential in the lyrics with « Teenage Whore » or « Good Sister / Bad sister ». With those songs, one car hear how they could be influenced the Nirvana way or the Smashing Pumpking way. I believe that Hole with Courtney Love as a major influence did write the lyrics, gave the themes, the ambiance. Did she write all the music? That I have more doubts. Probably the band was able to put a general structure, and they then had help from an editor / producer to go in the direction they wanted. But to state that just because Live Through This sounds like Nirvana is completely forgetting the times and the releases there were in those days… Everyone wanted to sound like Nirvana. The difference with Nirvana and Hole is that the themese evocked by Hole are personal to Love’s life, and to being a woman, and they are more concrete thoughts that Cobain’s poetics.

What’s the song on the outro?

It's not "Live Through This" as in performing "live". It's live as in being alive...

0:51 Dave gives he thoughts,, "I don't know"! Some thoughts on it.

She's the Nancy Spungen of the 90s. Don't try to change my mind.

Stone Temple Pilots has a song called "Too Cool Queenie", which is clearly about Courtney Love.

Everyone knows that Corgan wrote Celebrity skin and she stole You lnow you're right from Kurt. As for Live through this, just listen to Pretty on the inside which is a horrendous mess of random noise from start to finish. No chance she wrote live through this without serious help from someone.

I shared it, good work

I thought this when live through this was released

Courtney helping Kurt write In Utero😂. The overstatement of the year thats for sure!

Well, there's one little fact that most people miss. Courtney can't play the guitar, at all, not one note. She has admitted this, even saying a couple years ago that she was taking lessons to finally learn how to play the guitar. I love her vocals and lyrics, but she is unable to write music.

Pretty on the Inside have great songs and lyrics and she wasn't with Kurt.

Holes first album was “pretty on the inside” it came out in 91. For the record it was less melodic more screaming.

It doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure out a Courtney has absolutely zero talent. If she wouldn’t have hitched her box car to the Cobain train at best she would be a footnote in the history of music . Also let’s not forget that Hole as of today over 30 years later Hope has only sold 10% record sales compared to Nirvana. It’s a shame he didn’t stay with Tracy Marander.

Kurt should've made it work with that other chick. Why did Courtney always look as if she'd smell bad?

Why wouldn't he, that was his wife, makes a lot of sense.

Saying Live wrong.

Interesting that there is no analysis of their first album, Pretty on the Inside. It didn’t exactly have much in terms of hooks, perhaps that’s what she struggled with the most.

I dont believe that, but i do believe she stole kurts lyrcs from his writings after he died. The lyrics from the song "celebrity skin" just sounds straight out of kurts lyric book

and yo you should do your next video about how the drummer for Nirvana actually wrote all the songs for the singer of the Foo Fighters.. yo thats a true conspiracy

hadn't she said in her diary that she had always planned to attach to powerful men to move up in the world

Always felt this during that time

Oh wow, I always heard that Doll Parts was written Kurt.

I believe he helped and influenced in the album put word choices here and there but that’s all I don’t think he wrote the WHOLE album but that’s my personal opinion

Its weird she was in the sid and nancy movie then she became nancy. Trippy

Being influenced and straight up writing material is a whole different thing

Who knows you can't believe anything she says,Billy said he did help Courtney,she can't put down music on paper

courtney's actually got the potential for her music but the problem is her characteristics ofc held her back. if she wasnt anything like this, id bet she woudlnt be competing against, rather competing with modern hiphop music today. its sad to see people who still refuse to budge regardless.

You can talk and talk all you want, the facts show that Courtney is mainly a hack.

I gotta say, there's a difference between someone influencing a song/album by introducing subject matter, or even being a muse VS. literally writing songs for the album. Those are not the same thing. So, comparing CL's influence to In Utero to Kurt's alleged influence on Live Through This are two very different things. People have no problem with her writing songs for/about Kurt; but they feel misled when it seems like Kurt's alleged songwriting contribution was not acknowledged. Maybe that's how he wanted it, anyway. Or maybe his contribution was minimal - I don't know. But those things are not comparable is my point.

If you know anything about Billy Corgan and have listened extensivley to his demos, then you cannot come to any other conclusion than he wrote Malibu! The chord progression, vocal phrasing and everything else has his hallmarks all over it. When Jools Holland on his show Later.. asked Courtney what the song was about her exact words were 'I don't know' - that's because she didn't write it!

Everyone involved. There were a lot of cooks in that broth. They all affected + enabled + disabled each other, in such a way that unique albums were borne.

Her first album. PRETTY ON THE INSIDE. I loved that album. That had nothing to do with kurt cause they didn’t hang out yet.

The problem with Courtney is talks with two mouths. She's stated "Doll Parts" was written either in a bathroom with people waiting or at friends place with a dog begging hence the line "Dog beg". Kristen Pfaff lyrics from when she was in "Janitor Joe" were use on the album which Courtney (to my knowledge) has never credited her publicly. Hole's first album "Pretty On The Inside" were just song from her time with Kat, and later with what form with Eric, Jill and Carol. Years later Billy Corgan was used to compose the music or help out Eric with Celebrity Skin, and Courtney called him back a few times to help with other songs on her solo albums after she claimed Hole as her own band after going solo. She has a history of needing helping composing music, and that's totally fine she's not musically gifted to compose her own music. The Cobain relationship was reflected in both "In Utero" and "Live Through This" you can tell 100% . Yes they helped each other, however Kurt helped her grow way more musically and she helped him grow worldly. That's WAY different. J.M. Ladd uploaded what she really sounds and plays like. Whatever she had in the 90s has faded.

The real genius behind the hole tunes sounds like it was mostly a group of or at least multiple people who were closer to regular than genius talented sure i dont think it took a genius to write a hole tune

many of the corgan penned songs after this are very good as well

Of course it was Courtney!

In any case how many of us have written multiple albums? Not me [yet] we live in dreams...

Re: photo and script at 6:49, it was definitely Tower Records in 1991, not Virgin.

Courtney Love is a giant red flag.

It wouldn't surprise me since Billy Corgan helped her write Celebrity Skin.

A lot of her songs sound very similar to Kurt's. Makes ya wonder.🤔

If Kurt had written it, it would be a hell of lot better. Credit in the Straight world is a cover of Young Marble Giants.

they killed Kristen Pfaff too

Stern fanning the flames as always lol

Don’t u love how they photo botch her face to make her appearance look different than she actually did like in real life tf

Listen to Violet. It's got Cobain all over it, lyrically and the melody.

@3:14 If you are implying that isn't a good backing harmony to the main vocal line, I disagree.

Is that El Duche blood on the tracks? Same answer.

He definitely helped her with some stuff. but to what extent?

Pennyroyal tea is written way before Courtney's "influence". There's a live take from 1991.

Courtney was boss on all but she needed Kurt's 10 seconds of input per song at least. Ltt is a good album, enjoyed for ehat it is

Even Kurt couldn't help this one.

Singing the whole song Asking for it? He sang in a few snippets?? Also pretty on the inside was recorded and made before she met Kurt. Courtney Love was the muse for In Utero and helped Kurt write music on In Utero.. Always belittling a musician because of sexism and her persona.

If Craig said that then he contridicted himself somewhat because if Courtney heavily influenced In Utero, then it stands to reason Kurt heavily influenced Live Through This, particularly that album, because its the stand out record in Hole's discography.