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Sonic and goku would be good friends tbh

Just to spread somore awareness, Sonic's design mentioned in the video was the modified western design by Greg Martin. Sonic's original design was from Japan, and was changed during the localization process. It was the base for Toei Sonic in the Sonic CD intro. That said, Sonic CD would likely have been many Americans' introduction to the more standard Sonic design during that time period, so the confusion is completely understandable. All in all tho, sick vid! I actually never truly understood all the discussions, but this was informative!

The answer is no. While there are similarities, like Silver, the Chaos Emeralds and Super Sonic. They aren’t direct copies. Even Shadow and Vegeta aren’t direct copies. If you look at Shadows backstory he has amnesia and is trying to get revenge by destroying the world. Shadow wants to destroy the world because he thinks that’s what Maria wants, Vegeta wanted to destroy earth because he wanted the Dragonballs. There’s no deep reason why Vegeta wanted to do this other then to defeat Frieza. We see at the end of SA2 Amy begs with Shadow to see the good in humanity and give them a chance, Shadow remembers what Maria ACTUALLY wanted and it was to protect humanity. Shadow goes super to help Sonic stop Space Colony Ark and dies in the process asking if Maria if he fulfilled her wishes. Vegeta is nothing like this, even when they are fighting Frieza, he wants revenge because Frieza killed the Saiyans. After when Frieza is dead we see Vegeta is still cold hearted and doesn’t really care for anyone, when we get to the Buu arc Vegeta grows and cares for his family and the earth but this is in an entirely different way then Shadow. Shadow went from a complete nihilist to a hero in the span of one game. This isn’t even mentioning Shadow the Hedgehog where we get the most insight on his character.

Fiction was always inspired by other fiction, since the dawn of storywriting. Inspiration =/= ripoff If it was the case, then Goku would've ripped off Sun Wukong at the beginning of the Dragon Ball, and by the start of Z, he became a copy of Superman.

Ripoff or non-ripoff, it doesn't matter to me. I just wanted to enjoy myself with these two franchises. Edit: Wow, why is this so popular?!

There’s a difference between paying homage to or being inspired by a piece of media, and ripping it off. People who say sonic is a rip off of dragon ball don’t understand what that means.

Sonic isnt a ripoff of holy but rather (with a quick google search) super sonic is a homage to dragon ball z. And some sonic games are inspired by holy but none are really ripoffs. HOPE THAT HELPS

I said it before, and I'll say it again. The Sonic franchise does have a few inspirations from Dragon Ball, and denying that is just being in denial. BUT, there's exist a huge amount of differences to the point the similarities are pretty far and in-between. Silver was inspired by Trunks. I'm pretty sure there's even an official source for that. However, the two characters are drastically different. Trunks is basically just a regular saiyan. He's from the future, but he's no different than say Goku and Vegeta...just weaker. He's experienced and confident when we first see him. He knows what he needs to do, and he does it...when others don't get in his way. Silver is a hedgehog, but he's completely different from Sonic and Shadow. He doesn't even share their moves, instead having his own unique fighting style and set of abilities. Silver is a naive boy who got nervous when Blaze wasn't around the first time they got separated. He's lost, unlike Trunks, he didn't go back to save the hero. He got manipulated and went back to kill him. The two only share the "destroyed future from a threat and goes back in time to stop it". But their deeper purpose, personalities, comparison with their peers, and so forth are just too different to call Silver a clone.

For me, Silver is similar to Trunks but isn't much of an exact copy or inspiration. 1. Silver came back to the past timeline because the antagonist of 06 (Mephiles) told him to do so. Trunks however just decided to do that. Another massive difference is that Silver's purpose during 06 was to kill Sonic, the protagonist, but Trunks went to the past to help Goku, who is also a protagonist. 2. Trunks isn't seen mostly in the present timeline as he is supposed to belong in the future otherwise he could potentially ruin the whole db timeline. Except for Silver, he is always present in the present timeline ever since 06 and it doesn't seem to be messing up Sonic's timeline at all. 3. Number 3 is a pretty obvious one. Silver can use telekinesis and can glide in the air at times. Trunks uses his sword and flies around most of the time. This is a big difference that many leave out when talking about this. Nobody sees Silver with a sword and neither does anyone see Trunks move objects with the power of his hand.

After hearing his other arguments on why sega didnt copy dragon ball, I was ready to be disproven and told that silver wasn't a copy of trunks...only to hear that he argreed with me and I honestly felt so dumbfounded lol

No it isn’t a ripoff. there are some similarities between the two, but they can be seen as homages. Saying that sonic is a ripoff is saying that Steven universe is a ripoff too. No hate tho

I'm pretty sure the 7 dragon balls can only summon a dragon, and the 7 chaos emeralds can give power by many different means including the super forms

this is actually a great video, I wouldn’t mind more of these deep dive / informational videos more in depth compared to your regular TikTok videos. keep up the great work Tyre! 💯

Out of the 6 of them, Future Trunks and Silver were always my favorites.

Whenever i hear ppl make the argument sonic copied dragonball, i fire back with dbz and dbs copying from Marvel/dc comics with their logic, and it truggers them At some point we are going to run into similarities with things, its not a bad thing, but claiming its a rip off or copy? Thats no good

0:10-0:15 *Powerpuff Girls:* Is that so?🤨 *Ed, Edd n Eddy:* You sure about that?🤔 *Animaniacs:* Sounds like propaganda.🧐 *DC Trinity:* Seems like a theory to us.😐 *Alvin & the Chipmunks:* May need to check over that comment more than once there, buddy.🤥

While they aren't exact copies of each other, i feel that both Sonic and Dragonball as a franchise share an unspoken mutual inspiration from each other throughout the years and could possibly still do to this day.

I'm pretty sure the sonic design from sonic underground and all those american sonic cartoons are not the original design. His design in Japan was always the same from Sonic CD since the first sonic game, it was only changed over seas.

Sonic did NOT copy Dragon Ball! The only thing similar about the two series are the characters. Dragon Ball is heavily inspired by Sun Wukong and Superman. Sonic was created because Sega wanted to rival Nintendo’s mascot (Mario), but Sonic actually has way more connections to the Flash (more so Wally West) in my opinion. Shadow is very similar to Mewtwo, but was recently confirmed to be inspired by Spawn (which makes sense). Goku and Sonic are friendly and prideful, but Goku is naive and idiotic, while Sonic is adventurous or egotistical depending on which version of Sonic it is. Vegeta is prideful and egotistical but never wins, while Shadow is edgy and stubborn but he sometimes wins. Some characters from DBS are similar to other Sonic characters. For example, the Goku Black Arc is similar to Sonic 06 because of the story, the characters (Goku Black and Zamasu are similar to Mephiles and Iblis), and how bad the writing was.

Nah it’s not a copy of dbz because dbz fans say that hyper sonic is a copy of mui but actually hyper sonic came out way before dbs came out

The Chaos Emeralds were always meant to be a collectable power up. Sure Super Sonic is similar to Super Saiyan, but there's also the fact sonic NEEDS the chaos emeralds to do that transformation. Really the only similarity is that sonic turns yellow and his hair sicks up, but that being said, there are lots of characters that have their hair start to float when they power up due to their "aura". For some reason, in dragon ball I never feel like his hair is actually flying up, more like it just points up for some reason, because his hair never really has to much physics, but Sonic's quills do.

This crossed my mind but I think that one's just more " family friendly "

Sonic not only "copied" Dragon Ball, the creator admitted that the Sonic games were inspired by Mario Bros Speedruns. He used to speedrun Mario Bros himself so he wanted to create a fast character who is fast all the time, even if you're not speedrunning.

Crazy how people still talking about this😭😭

“First of all, I am vegeta. Second all, your not vegeta, third of all, you wanna be vegeta but you can’t be vegeta because im vegeta”

I'm tired of hearing people rant about how "sonic is a rip off of dbz" dude giant differences between each other.

No doubt inspired, not a rip off. Other people are already giving reasons, and I agree with them. The Mewtwo thing was interesting.

Super sonic and the 7 emeralds were supposed to be a gag-thing, silver sonic from sonic 2 was litterally mecha Godzilla, sonic used to be a gag character.

1:29 fun fact in sonic 3 & knuckles super sonic had his eyes be a similar shade of green & atleast 1 of the prototype design for super saiyan had red eyes

Short answer no. The chaos emeralds, and super sonic while inspired and are a direct homage to super sayain and the seven dragon balls are the only similarities these two franchises really have outside of fighting literal gods. They have no real similarities out side of that, with maybe the adception of Siliver and Trunks, but even than dragon ball didn’t create the trop of a hero going back in time to save their future.

This video truly drives my hype for Sonic Superstars even more!

Shadow isn't vegeta because shadow isn't prideful he is trying to protect earth unlike vegeta who wants to beat goku. And sonic is chill guy that wants to have peace while goku is a fighter who wants to get stronger and surpass his limits.

Since the Sonic O6 game Shadow was a completely different person. I have proof : In Sonic Adventure (2001) final boss, Shadow had started respecting Sonic and even called him the ultimate lifeform. After 2006 Shadow appeared less in the games and mainly as a boss fight sometimes. And in his short appearances he used to call Sonic weak and boosted himself about being the ultimate life form. Like what happened to him saying to Sonic that he is the must be the ultimate life form. (6:04).

Sonic takes inspiration from just about everything. Shadow is an inspiration of Bass. Silver is Future Trunks. The Death Egg is inspired by the Death Star from Star Wars. Tails' flying ability is taken from Goku's ability to fly by using his tail during the 21st budokai tenkaichi. Sonic's super form is an inspiration of SSJ. The 7 chaos emeralds are just the 7 dragon balls with a different concept. Silver Sonic is a gag of mecha godzilla. I feel like many other characters like knuckles, rouge, amy, and tails are inspired by dragon ball characters and various other anime characters out there.

The "Chaos Emeralds are knock-offs of the Dragon Balls" argument irks me more than any other. Just because there are multiple versions of them in groups of 7 doesn't mean the chaos emeralds are knockoffs. They are entirely different. The Chaos Emeralds are a power source, and The Dragon Balls are used to summon Shenron. The chaos emeralds down have any (known) consequences to spamming them, and the Dragon Balls can be corrupted if overused. Also, way too many 90's games have objects in groups of 7, so singling out the emeralds is stupid.

The Saiyans do have similarities with the hedgehogs.. although, their intent comes in different ways. We compare them in our childhood and we always thought that if they crossed paths, they’d make good teams upon their instinct.

Dragon Ball super copied Sonic 06. Specifically the goku black arc.

Sonic shares inspiration but I wouldn't say he reaches rip off material.

doing goated videos as always, but i think there is a mistake here, in 6:09 we see shadow calling sonic "the ultimate lifeform", but this actually does happen with vegeta in the buu saga too, im not sure if its anime only or not, but vegeta said "but, rather its my anger blinding me" and "You're better than me kakarot, you are the best"

I'm a fan of both of them and I say that it wasn't copied it was inspiration. I've played and watched both of them and there is some similarities yes, but it's not the exact same.

Everyone: Sonic vs Dragon Ball Also everyone: Sonic 🤝 Dragonball

Why do people even care about all of this? Both did good job on their franchises, so why do we care about all of that?

brotha rlly explained how shadow rlly is and should be portrayed. nowadays they always characterize shadow as an angry emo version of sonic with chaos powers, which he isnt.

Hey trycolden i love ur videos ive been a fan for a long time!

This has crossed my mind like 1000000000000 times!!

Crazy how the future trunks saga has so many similarities to sonic 06

theres nothing wrong with taking something that you like or think was cool from other series and putting in your own. this is basically what everyone does. just take things that you like and keep them.

I swear...hes like the most straight to the point, factually correct debater out there.

1:33-1:37 Actually Naoto Ohshima is Sonic’s real daddy.

I like how there is 7 chaos emeralds and there is 7 dragon balls 😂

Sonic has a badass appearance.... His hairstyle I mean his spike hair is similar to Goku.

To be fair...Both of them inspired each other. Thats right Dragon ball! I know what you did Akira Toriyama...I'm on to you...🤨

2:23 Fun fact: Sonic only looked like that in America, and he never looked like that in Japan

They ofc were inspired, SEGA is a friendly community that makes or tries to make their fans happy.

I really hope you achieve all your goals this year dude! You're a great creator and such a hard worker! Rooting for you hard this year

It's obvious that the creator of sonic was just a big fan of dragon ball

He ain't a rip off even tho some people will stick to saying it is Sonic (archie) would still body the shit out of goku

I think with Silver and Trunks I think they both inspire each other. In silver’s case in 06 it was stated before the game came out that Silver was inspired by trunks in DBZ and his back story in a way. But in the Goku Black Arc there are a lot of similarities to 06 and silvers story being one of them like how it takes place in a dystopian future, Goku Black being like the Iblis in that story, Mai being Blaze and etc.

8:19 I think Super Sonic fits better with Green Eyes...

Sonic always looked like that in japan this was his American art work they changed to make it more appealing to Americans as they put it

SEGA has confirmed that the Sonic universe is based on the Dragonball universe.

as a db and sonic fan i can strongly say that sonic just took heavy inspirations from not just dragonball content but from anime ingeneral

I never thought I miner would make a documentary about sonic and dragon ball 🤯

Hyper sonic 1993 ultra instinct Goku 2015 😱😱😱😱

Sonic collects 7 chaos emeralds. Goku collects 7 dragon balls. Yeah obviously Sonic copied a lot but that's okay.

Honestly, it’s surprising how Sonic 06, out of all games has a better story then other 3D sonic games. Even if it has the worse gameplay, the story brings it up by a long shot. The only thing I didn’t like was **Sonic kissing Elise.** yea rule 34 got a kick out of that one

Short story: no just because sonic take inspiration doesn’t mean everything is taken

I really wish this comparison died years ago

I don't think SEGA ripped Goku off, they have some similarities but are still very different. If you wanna talk about a ripoff, take the final boss from Mario 3D World: Bowser's Fury. You basically turn into a Golden spiky form that jumps over ramps, collects coins and rings in a destroyed world in order to hit a giant water (and fire based) monster to a pulp. Sound familiar? Sonic Adventure DX.

But sonic use the chaos emeralds to turn super and goku just use his own energy to turn super saiyan

Namek arc Super Saiyan Goku had red eyes in an early magazine article. Super Sonic in Sonic 3 has green eyes Silver was outright inspired from Future Trunks because his character notes from the 06 developers say something on the lines of "Silver is Future Trunks from Dragon Ball" Also Perfect Cell is also stated to be the "Ultimate Life Form" 💀

trust me alot of things copied DBZ

I consider Metal Sonic as Sonic’s true rival, he’s perfect and people want Shadow instead, so sega leaves him in the trash wich makes him even less popular I mean, metal sonic is litterally built by eggman, the main villain of the sonic series, he’s made to be an exact replica.

this is a stupid question, nobody thinks this but they are 100% inspired and without dragonball sonic would be nothing

It was recently confirmed at the anime expo that shadow is based off some guy from an anime called spawn, not vegeta.

fun fact super sayians og disign ha red eyes but then got chagned to green and with sonic its the other way around but sonic justgot insperation from db

No, but Bubsy seems to be copying Sonic and Mario a lot more for me.

bro showed hyper sonic as my home screen 💀

Great video,just one little mistake: toriyama didn't create dragon quest, he's the lead artist and character designer for the franchise for the past 36+ years

Bro we already dealt with this shit years ago

Bro they confirmed that Silver is kind of inspired by Trunks. DEAD SERIOUS.

No, Shadow was Actually Inspired By Bass From the megaman series & also Underworld (2003), Constantine (2005), and those in the Terminator series because Sega was influenced by there films.

Regarding the rivalry part, there's actually some big context you've missed. At least in terms of Sonic and Shadow's power. More often than not, Sonic and Shadow are compared to one another and stated to be each other's physical equals in pretty much every notable way. It's technically more consistent than the large power gaps between Goku and Vegeta have had for a long time. There is more context to both the SA2 and Generations fights. Sonic possessed a Fake Emerald to perform Chaos Control while Shadow, actually had none. Shadow did not possess it since it was being used for the Eclipse Cannon. Therefor, Sonic was technically aided by specific equipment outside of his usual toolset. Whether the Fake Emerald amps him or just allows him to perform Chaos Control, I'm not entirely sure of. There's also the fact that they were stated to have tied with one another, however I'm unsure of how they would have played out. Many arguments regarding this are "It wouldn't be a tie as Shadow wouldn't let him get close to the Eclipse Cannon to destroy it.", "If Shadow won, the Blue Rat would be folded.", or "Sonic was just trying to stop the Eclipse Cannon, not kill Shadow.". Even if Sonic did win, it isn't indicative of him being outright stronger than Shadow. Which leads me to another point regarding the last quote. Just because Sonic was trying to get to the Eclipse Cannon, doesn't mean he wasn't going all out. You can beat someone up with all you got and not kill them. Especially since Sonic was on a time-sensitive endeavor. That argument of Sonic being implied to not trying his hardest seems like headcanon. There's also the fact that you can still BEAT someone up, but then lose to that same person on in another fight. Winning isn't ABSOLUTELY indicative of superiority in terms of power. Also in Generations, it's also a slippery argument because people like to point out that Sonic and Shadow could not do anything to each other in that fight without the aid of the Energy Cores. They were both equal in pretty much any way and the only real way to damage each other was to boost into either Sonic or Shadow when they're out of Boost Energy OR use the cores. Other than that, they had to be amped in order to deal actual damage towards one another. Thusly, they should be equal generally. Even in the same GAME, they are stated to be equals in the Character Bios. Typically, they are stated and implied to be equals in power base-to-base. Technically, he is more consistently equal to Sonic than Vegeta was to Goku for the longest time. These days due to Frontiers, I'd say that Sonic is stronger mainly due to the fact that he had a game, however there is dialogue in Frontiers where Sonic says something along the lines of "I wouldn't mind having Shadow's help right about now.", which implies that despite his own growth in power, Shadow would still be a great help. Which also implies some sort of comparability. Not to say that Shadow would be equal exactly, but definitely useful enough to greatly help Sonic in his adventure. Despite this, Sonic scaling in terms of power is rather swingy anyway. Everyone seems to scale to one another without there being a real power creep or eclipsing people in power. Everyone seems to just scale rather fine to each other in terms of statistics. I like the Sonic Verse for that as it doesn't worry itself with insane power eclipsing and just kind of scales itself. A very good system.

Shadow hasn't fought Sonic using his full power. I strongly believe if they went all out Shadow would win easily.

they didn't, they copied dragon ball *AND* mario. But long story short not everything.

As a fan of Dragonball an even bigger fan of Sonic this was a very useful and informative video which genuinely surprised me coming from you (no offense big fan). And I applaud you for even making this video cuz I could see how a lot of your audience wouldn't even care to watch it

Tbh short answer for me,no. There is No “Darkspine Goku” If you think Ultra Ego is a copy,you’re far off. Dark Sonic = ??? Goku There is no Goku Variant of Amy. Or Metal Sonic. There’s no False Super Sonic. That’s why.

this man misunderstands goku so bad it hurts

Even though that I respect both franchises, the main problem is those toxic fans of both series.

Another thing to note Ultra Sonic a form from the comics came first before Ultra instinct.

Does anyone know that dragon ball actually copied some things from the sonic franchise? Dragon ball copied ultra sonic from the archie comics. I mean just look at the two, sonic looks like he is in base but with a yellow ring around him and black stars around him too. While ultra instinct goku looks like his base form but his hair was a little more curved up and has white particles. Dragon ball copied hyper sonic. I mean, just look at em', they literally look the same I also don't think silver was not that much copied from trunks. Yea they have the same backstory except the only difference is that silver was tricked by mephilis that sonic was the person who caused his future to be like that

Sonic definetly have a lot of inspirations from DBZ. but they are not the same, both franchises are vastly different. calling it a rip-off would be dumb.

Random fun fact, the ideas for the super saiyan design had red eyes! Don't make that sound the wrong way tho, they both are different in their own ways, yet the same.

The only one I truly think was copied for Dragon Ball was Silver. Sonic and Shadow are only similar to Goku and Vegeta because they both are similar character types. Sonic/Goku, being the fun loveing goof ball that is always down for a good time (be it fighting or an adventure) and Shadow/Vegeta are the edgey loner types that will work with others but will always prefer to do things their way.

Proof that Sonic isn’t copied by Goku: Zeno? Goku Black? Grand Priest? Tournament of power? Jiren? Chaos emeralds do EVERY wish and the dragon balls a couple. Infinite? The dragon balls doesn’t give power but the emeralds do and more…

Next video should be “did dragon ball rip off journey to the west??!?!?!” Because neither is original

1:33 Them eyes be green to me 😂

it's funny because goku and vegeta rivalry took 30 years. And with super hero it was declared vegeta won after a 30 year. which is a shocker for me since i searched it up.

Fun fact, sky sanctuary wasn’t it made up stage it was based on a dragon Ball area