Superman is the man without limits, Goku is the man who overcome any limit.

Personally duck, my opinion as a person who grew up reading, learning, and researching both Superman and Dragonball Z, is that, even though the information in this video is wrong, I believe Superman still would win regardless.

"We never have to hear about it again" You know what they say, never say never

They have a part 2 because of all the controversy. It was pretty good.

The thing is the analysis part is what controversial, but most people agree that the outcome of the battle is still correct regardless.

While there have been several abridgings of various DC cartoons, I'd instead recommend "I'm a Marvel. And I'm a DC." by itsjustsomerandomguy. His videos are of the various superheroes discussing and debating their upcoming movies, and he was the voice actor for Superman in this.

Look at it this way; the only thing Goku had that could even possibly cause any harm to Superman was his magic Power Pole. Superman figured that out mid-fight before Goku went SSJ3 and hucked it into space, so that was basically the winning move; everything else was essentially just for dramatic effect.

Most people generally agree with the outcome, just not the methods. Their "Gravity formula" is utter nonsense and they often equate lower limits with upper limits. (Although in their defense, that's often necessary, based off the only information available)

Honestly, I feel like more than anything, this episode really shows the two most toxic sides of the death battle fanbase- the people who act like their character will always win and is better, and the people who act like death battle can do no wrong. Personally, when it comes to the controversial fights like this, I'm way past the point of caring and just want to see a cool fight.

Every death battle I see here furthers my bafflement at the amount of media isn't known to you, but I've gotta admit I like seeing first time (for real) reactions.

So one of the things that people have such a problem with is a calculation that they admitted they had cought fixed but the original faulty calculation ended up in the episode. You have to keep in mind that they had to make these every week plus a video every day for a company of 8 people. Today they have a team of about 20 and they just work on Deathbattle

Check out Seth the Programmer's take on it. The result is correct, but the math and reasoning is completely wrong.

I'm not a Superman guy so I can't really speak in regards to his feats but their calculations for Goku were INCREDIBLY off and flawed. 1. Super Saiyan 4 is not a 10x multiplier over SS3. There is no official multiplier for it. The 10x multiplier is a lowballed fan theory with no base to it. 2. They calculated Goku's speed off of Saiyan Saga Goku with their already wrong SS4 multiplier. Goku becomes MILLIONS of times stronger if not more by GT without even considering transformations. Goku's power level in the Saiyan Saga was in the low 8000s. He literally goes up to 3 million by the end of the very next arc before even transforming and his growth in his base form only continues to grow more rapidly. 3. Regarding the weight he can lift, they made the same mistake using pre-Buu Saga Goku as a base even though his base grows VERY rapidly over time. 4. For durability, they did the exact same thing AGAIN. They multiplied Saiyan Saga Goku's base by the already inaccurate SS4 multiplier to determine his durability even though, again, Goku's base in the NEXT ARC is around 375 times stronger without transforming and that growth only becomes more rapid and ridiculous over time. This is part of why making the sequel to this when they did was a mistake given that DBS was only JUST starting at the time and we are now at a point where Goku can literally transcend time with power and speed alone and shake infinite voids just by existing. I don't think they intentionally or maliciously lied/lowballed out of a bias or anything like that, They just had NO idea what they were doing.

I feel the result is still correct since Superman was made to be DC's invincible trump card from the start, while Goku often has to train before most important fights.

People really get passionate about this fight because the anime and comic fan bases both believe their side is the strongest. Personally I side with Superman even though I love Dragon Ball Z. He's intentionally written to be the most broken fictional character. Plus the research is always wonky with Death Battle.

Not Marvel Thor, they mean norse mythology Thor

Here are all the corrections for what they got wrong. Goku: Strength-Goku's transformations do not just flat multiply his power no matter what, they increase it, but as he gets stronger normally, they do less for him. Gohan actually unlocks the ability to use ALL his power all the time, and it is EXPLICITLY stated turning Super Saiyan 1 or 2 would do NOTHING so he just doesn't do that, they cannot increase his max power, just help him reach it. Goku has shown some impressive feats of strength, but nothing on the level of bench pressing continents and certainly not planets or more. Physical strength is really not a factor in Goku's higher level fights, Ki is. Superman: Strength- Virtually endless. Even if you cap it at towing planets, it's many times more than what Goku has ever done. He can literally punch with the power of stars. Goku: Speed- Goku is NOT faster than light. ONE technique in Dragon Ball lands 100% consistently, on EVERY character, and that's the Solar Flare. A LITERAL flash of bright light. If Goku can't EVER avoid that, trying to justify him as being faster than light, is pretty stupid. He can move faster than the human eye can perceive, but that's really not super hard to do. A character much stronger than any Goku you have seen flew around the earth a few times to show off his speed, and it took him almost half an hour. Light can circle the earth 7 times, in one second. There are lots of examples, but Goku is not a faster than light fighter. His speed does not increase with his overall power, even ignoring the transformations not multiplying outright. He explains explicitly in a scene you DID see in abridged that you can focus more of your energy into hitting harder and increasing your power level, but it also makes you slower. Everything is not increases equally and a higher power level doesn't mean you're just better at every single thing. Explains Burter being the fastest in the universe when you realize that, actually. Superman: Speed-Superman is absurdly fast. He can keep up with the Flash who can run WAAAAAAAAAAY faster than light and not just like a sprinter, running super fast, but at the cost of turning or doing precise movements. He can run like an olympic sprinter and do super precise parkour at the same time, it's crazy. And that's him at his "Alright, i should start trying" speeds. Superman can match that and if the Flash doesn't go stupid fast, he can outspeed him. Goku: Durability-Got injured by a bullet he didn't see coming. Got injured by a laser he didn't see coming. Can be killed by big explosions. Cannot breath in space. Cannot breath underwater. Has no healing abilities. DEFINITELY cannot tough a piercing attack. Like Piccolo's makansappalapala that drills through things. Or Krillin's disc. Superman: Durability-Can be hit by supernovae, and live. Can fly into space, and get stronger. Breathing, none required. Bullets cannot hurt him, period (unless made of kryptonite). Conclusion, Superman is just..... he's just on another level. Even GREATLY overestimating Goku here doesn't put him on Superman's level. Not even close. Superman has stood face to face with the literal divine incarnation of evil, and killed it by singing. (I AM NOT JOKING! I CAN LINK A VIDEO THAT EXPLAINS IT!) Superman is stronger, smarter, faster, more experienced, impossible to kill unless Goku basically cheats, and even then Superman doesn't just roll over and die, he's pure of heart so his spirit bomb literally doesn't work, he can fly into the sun where Goku cannot survive and get WAY stronger very quickly, he can fight FOREVER where Goku gets exhausted after a few MINUTES, and that's on a good day. Goku has NO way to win this fight. You'd have to do what the pissed off fanboys do and say "Well, ACTUALLY, Goku can like uhm, blow up infinite dimensional universes!" and even THEN he still doesn't win because that would kill him too! Plus, Superman has been through a couple Multiverse ending events, he'll fix it. Also, in anime Goku is widely (and wrongly) considered like the pinnacle of strength and power, he's THE powerhouse, and really he's... not. They can't handle that though, so they complain and THEY are the ones lying about what Goku can do. It's the fans of Dragon Ball that don't know what the numbers are. They lie, they completely misinterpret situations, often deliberately, and it's just a general mess. Oh, and it's also the CREATOR of Dragon Ball, that doesn't know what the numbers are. Literally, he didn't know what super saiyan 2 was..... I'm not making this up, he thought super saiyan 2 was super saiyan 3........ Dragon Ball started out as a GAG manga. It's JUST about joking, having fun and making people laugh. It eventually transitioned into a fighting manga outright, though with some humor still in there. However Akira Toriyama never really walked away from the roots of this show. He just does whatever he wants, raising or lowering every character's power at his own convenience. Goku when he first fights Beerus is stated to be 60% his power BY WHIS when nobody other than Beerus was around, and Beerus did not deny this. So at the start, Goku = 60% Beerus. Over 100 episodes later and like 5 MORE transformations, and Goku is STILL not stronger than Beerus. It's just randomly changing according to who he needs to fight.

4:44 and yet in any fanfiction work it’s still important to use them as a form of measurement to show just how big of a threat they might be facing in the future.

Whenever a character loses, you appreciate them more

Has DEATH BATTLE confirmed that the info was wrong? That’s the first time I’ve heard about that.

I mean, they did eventually do a rematch for them, so...

Oh boy I was waiting for this one lmao 😆

So a big reason why it's so much longer is they went on a break afterwards. This originally was going to be the last episode when they first started the show.

I doubt they lied about anything, although they may have got stuff wrong... Either way, I think this outcome was most likely... They did say when talking about it that they were also assuming things that would deliberately make Goku seem more powerful too... Although who knows if they were anywhere near right given how inconsistent physics in the Dragon Ball franchise is anyway? Not that physics for Superman is much better... His story has been retold a few times too, with different amounts of power, if I remember correctly... It's all nonsense. But I dunno, I mainly just enjoy hearing about the crazy stuff and seeing a cool fight lol. I think the only result that really bugged me ever was Link vs Cloud, but I won't go into that for risk of spoiling anything... Maybe not even the result, more their reasoning for it at the time... But it's not worth taking too seriously in the end.

If you want to dig into exact numbers that don't change the outcome at all, then yes look at other creators. If you just care that the outcome is correct, then this vid is fine and not ALL the info is wrong. On a side note, I kinda wanna say that people are Aholes for telling you ANY info about the death battles or trying to influence or bias you about how right or wrong they are before your watching. Yes people, by telling him ahead of time that DB got calculations wrong is an attempt to create bias. Now he is going into it wondering what is the false info instead of just enjoying it.

This battle caused a lot of controversy, but even though I am a bigger fan of Goku I actually accepted these results. Their rematch was great too, and also did a good job explaining *why* I am okay with these results.

a good way to find out which character would win is to figure out which one is easier to kill, which in this case Goku is way easier to kill than superman

"The anime character lost, so it has a bigger dislike bar." -Karl Smallwood, on Death Battle

The thing so many people get wrong when comparing Goku and Superman, is that there is basically a HUNDRED different versions of Superman , so compiling all the versions into one character is bound to lead to serious innacuracies and cherrypicked information, especially if taken out of context Some versions are weak af that Goku could easily annihilate even before Battle of Gods and some are BROKEN beyond belief, literally just sneezing so hard they blow away a solar system And this happens with Death Battle a LOT. It happened here, with Vergil vs Sephiroth , Ben 10 vs Green Lantern and others I'm probably not remembering Literally their best battle ever was Dante vs Bayonetta. That was the peak of Death Battle honestly

Superman is as strong as he needs to be says the most, Superman is written to basically be invincible and Goku is written to barely win a fight after a everyone else tries so you can see how tough an opponent is. This always the issue in different fictional media in a death battle, you barely find equivalent universes and a fun fight matchup.

This battle may not be accurate anymore and they may have gotten some things wrong, but it's still one of the series' most important episodes. This was the battle where they started to take research more seriously.

"They admitted they lied" That is not true in the slightest. They have never said they lied about anything. They simply no longer agree with this episode's outcome. Death battle was a very different show back then, being researched by only two guys and they had a time limit to do it. Now they have a full team to do thier stuff. With all of the episodes before season 3, its important to take basically everything with a grain of salt since things took a massive shift in season 3

Problems I had are them not power scaleing him with weaker characters That he had hand to hand and beam fights with so it makes no sense logically that he cant proform the same feats. The seconed thing is when they said that ssj 4 is only a 10x increse?

9:27 and after a certain point he didn't need the cloud he could fly on his own and even instant transmission (teleport) 22:33 'Powerpole' = magic item. Superman is weak to magic 23:32 Super Saiyan 3

Honestly they got a lot of the numbers for goku wrong

While at this point in time Superman would have won, they got a lot wrong

Glad they included a "kaio- what?" Joke. They never get old for some reason

They may've botched some math, but their conclusion is still fundamentally correct. DBZ fans are just very VERY salty about it.

I'm surprised I don't see many comments mention that this was by far the most common match up request from the start of the series which is why they made it an event when they did do it

This was, and still is, the most polarizing episode of DB, mostly because Dragonball fans kept calling bullshit on their research but in the end, if you think about it, Goku and Superman wouldn't be fighting against each other but together

"If you're gonna have a first attack then make a statement," *Pain flashbacks intensify*

I don't know where he got the information that screw attack made a mistake or something, because they did this fight twice and it still came up the same result Superman wins.... And I think they did a fine job with the information they took, people are just sour because Goku didn't win....

Calling the iconic SSJ Goku line cringy... I'm in physical pain.

Superman: Who are you? TFS Son Goku: I am a super sandwich!

Though it saddens me to say, They did not.

math and doing it to smaller planets is how we calculated how to destroy our planet.

if you're truly curious, you could watch SethTheProgrammer's vid on it, hes a power scaler. The vid is called "Goku vs Superman | THE HONEST TRUTH" and its a redo of his original take on the death battle.

As but hurt as fans are the dude who can labotomize his opponents & cut out brain tumors without them knowing was clearly going to beat the man who hits really hard

Thor can't be Copyrighted, it's a mythological god. Imagine if Zeus was copyrighted. People just do Norse dirty.

The most infamous episode of Death Battle...

Apparently the math is wrong.

Goku vs Superman 1 is basically *Correct answer, wrong working shown*

So here's the power scaling communities modern census on the matter, the strongest Super Men (plural) can beat the strongest goku, but the strongest up to date current goku can defeat a large amount of Super Man incarnations, so it really depends on what version of super man is in question, and death battle just kinda does what ever amalgam of versions of characters they feel, so this battle is sort of right sort of wrong for it's time period.

Honestly this battle all depends on which version of superman you use because unlike goku who has a singular story where he is getting continuesly stronger over time, superman pulls from multiple cannons with massively different streaths where there are some supermen that are fodder And barely destroy a city while there are others that are infinite like milkman superman who's author level.

The thing I'm most annoyed about, is that absolutely no one thinks to consider the Zenkai boost. The way it works is that the more damage a saiyan survives and recovers from, the larger an increase to their overall power, with an especially massive increase the more life threatening the injury is. In this case, Goku got a massive boost after his first fight with Vegeta because he literally broke his EVERYTHING and had to be healed with a bean. He then received another boost on his way to Namek after pushing his body to hard by blasting himself with ki blasts for training. And THEN he got his body pushed to near death AGAIN after arriving on Namek and needed to be put in a special healing chamber to recover. And all of this was BEFORE he got his Super Saiyan transformation.

It's a very hard match to compare given the vast differences between the DB universe and the DC universe. The deciding factor is that Superman is limitless and Goku is not. If none of the comments on this video sway you they made a part two that factors in Supersayain God and Supersayain Blue against a strictly New 52 Superman rather than one who pulls from his entire post-reboot comic run. So if you're still unsure go watch that one.

Yeah the errors in calculations where mostly at the end where they got there calculations in different points in time of there life’s

kamehameha-ing the enemies in the sun was a very Goku thing to do in the dbz movies, as you have seen in the first Cooler abridged

Even though the death battle got the research wrong in this video even then the fight is still epic still to this day.

At the end of the day Superman is stronger than Goku. Their calculations are off, but Superman has too many natural strengths over Goku and Goku can’t exploit his weaknesses from both circumstance and just the way he is as a character. So although yes this is controversial, the result is still correct. Both can destroy planets, but only one can survive without one. Both move faster than the speed of light and one can teleport in an instant, but due to the speed gap being in Superman’s favor, the concentration and the hand up to the forehead is something to take advantage of. (Which Dragon ball Super actually showed so kudos to that) Goku is a moron and would absolutely spare Superman for a fair fight. And the heat vision being strong and accurate enough to lobotomize Goku at will, Goku simply just doesn’t have the capabilities in his favor. When they say Superman has no limit and Goku can surpass any limit, yeah. That’s still true and still lands on Superman until Goku can straight breath in space. And even if that happens Superman’s strength remains with no limit.

i should also mention that lightspeed attacks were confirmed as early as raditz so there speed calcs are bs

They forget that base goku in GT is his super sayian 3 form against Buu power Super sayian is 50 multiple Super sayian 2 is 100 multiple Super sayian 3 is 300 multiple Super great ape is 500 multiple Super sayian 4 is 1600 multiple Super sayian god is 20,000 multiple

Comic book heroes rarely lose to anime characters in death battle. This is largely because of how differently escalation works in the two mediums. To put it simply comic book characters can fluctuate in power a lot more than their anime counterparts. Goku getting stronger is a consistent and core aspect of his story. Superman on the other hand often needs to be weaker than he actually is for any of his stories to make sense. Superman can perform insane feats of power if the story calls for it one day and get his ass handed to him by Karate Kid or Batman's butler (look it up) the next. Even when superman does win he'll often get batted around a little by characters who have no business standing up to him because the story needs tension. While similar things have happened in the DBZ universe its usually only for gags. In serious fights whoever wins is usually the one with more power. Death battle tends to prioritize feats over anything else. Which is completely understandable because how else would you compare the strengths of fictional characters. It's only natural that any comic book character to have lasted this long would've racked up some immense feats. Though even if Goku was doomed from the start the system they used to estimate his power was a little insulting. For one thing they didn't really take into account the growing power of his base form. It's hard to say how strong Goku's base form was at the end of GT but Vegeta's base form at the end of super was almost certainly stronger than his greatest form at the end of Z. More importantly they ignored how physical strength scales to destructive power in the DB universe. Roshi can disintegrate the moon with casual ease before DBZ even begins. That implies that in the Dragon Ball universe the feat of destroying the moon to the point that there is no visible trace of it is actually easier than training at 10 times gravity, let alone 100. This still wouldn't win him the fight but it's a good indicator of how badly they messed up his power evaluation.

there sort of is a superman abridged. it started out as young justice abridge, but became dc abridged. its pretty funny. some of the sao abridged have been involved with it if i remember correctly.

This was the Season 1 Finale.

Am i the only one who enjoys death battle not because of the fights, but as a way to learn about new characters?

This video was meant to come out on the last day of the Mayan calendar.

There was a rematch, btw.

Legit question, what's did they say that's wrong?

After reading tons of messages, everbody says that numbers are wrong, they should be more powerful than the calculations says. But would that still chance the end result even if the calculations would be correct? Far as i see, superman would still win regadless if the numbers are right, but i guess its just one fan base vs the other.

What they did wrong was upset the DBZ community by saying Superman won.

Honestly, a lot of people forget that Superman and Goku are both characters with a TON of different versions and canons, and who wins depends on what material you use. But with the versions they used in this episode(Post-Crisis Superman and Dragonball Z Goku)? Supes pretty much stomps him into the dirt. Even if Dragonball Super made main canon Goku a lot stronger, Post-Crisis Supes has also gotten a ton of new material that makes him stomp Goku harder.

Back when I didn't know Abridged Goku's voice

Can u please react to Seth’s how strong is saber vid she belongs to the strongest franchise in anime with their base abilities giving them immeasurable speed. & my power scaling subscriptions r all the proof we need, my other subs also prove it has the best written characters in anime.(which I made a playlist for) Like generic anime channel’s shirou vid, it’s billion$ budget & ufotable even come together to give us peak animation like you’ve never seen.

Deathbattle didn't admit to lying about anything, because they didn't lie about anything.

Man. It's crazy how much Goku had changed since this video was released. Current day Goku makes this one look like a toddler. He's casually strong enough to destroy a universe in base form.

24:38 Dragon ball super: "think again"

I will say this. Yes, CERTAIN superman can definitely kill goku at max power. But there are many superman that goku can beat. Like movie superman. Theres no definitive answer.

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I noticed the playlist you were watching wasn't in order. Here's the playlist from the official Death Battle channel: m.kzfaq.info/sun/PLB833073B659FD65A

Sorry youtube, Had to get off chest. Wrong charged. That's why.

Superman is very overpowered but he is probably the most powerful character all of fiction.

my biggest issue with this fight is that they made a composite version of superman, and i dont agree with that since there are many iterations of superman each with there own limits. As such you need to specify which superman and while they said newer iteration that doesnt narrow it down at all. Superman is very inconsistent in what he can and cant do. Such as the fact that there are versions of superman getting knocked around by standard lazer fire from guns(not kryptonite). They also didnt even bother to review the guide books. such as saying goku could not use instant transmition in mid fight when he has shown to clearly do it before.

I like both comics and DBZ and though I like DBZ more, I can remain objective on this. The numbers don't lie. Superman is so far out of Goku's league that he could have obliterated him in less than a second if he really wanted to. He's just used to fighting weak humans, so he has to hold back a huge amount to keep from turning them into a fine red mist with one flick of a finger. Goku is basically a mortal that trained their way up from the bottom, whereas Superman's powers have been with him since the beginning. The only reason anyone would dispute this result is that they are braindead fanboys of DBZ that don't know how numbers work. The margin between them is basically that between God and a flea. Superman is utter bullshit and the only one that could beat him would be Batman, Saitama, or someone with toon force. Batman because he has a kryptonite ring and is the goddamned Batman, Saitama because he's a gag character who's entire premise is that he can beat anyone with one punch (including Superman), and toon force just trumps everything always because it's stupid as Hell and totally broken beyond belief. Essentially, you're pitting a character that has to struggle to succeed and fight and claw his way to the top vs. someone that has to fight not to destroy everything by accident because he can't even contain how powerful he is. It's no contest. If you had any comprehension whatsoever of the numbers they calculated, you would have no doubt at all of the difference between them. TLDR: I've never seen Goku tank multiple supernovas or push planets around.. Superman on the other hand...

The thing with Goku vs Superman is that there is no definitive answer. Superman can be anywhere from a guy damaged by bullets to an indestructible god depending on who's writing him. While Goku has multiple versions himself, like Manga, Anime, Movie, Super, GT, Heroes, and even the weird 4D movie version where he fuses with the audience. Scaling for both characters is so wildly inconsistent, that there's not really a real winner. Some versions of Goku win, some don't. Some versions of Superman win, some don't. I will say that even as a Dragon Ball fan, there's probably more versions of Superman that win than there is for Goku, but I don't know that for sure.

Look, Goku won’t win and Superman won’t win…why yo must ask, because the Superman writers either make him overpowered with no limits or someone who struggles on the streets, meanwhile Goku has such a wide range of things while being written by 1 writer, in the end both fan bases won’t win because a fair battle between the two is impossible

I just had a weird though. Do you ever watch other reaction channels or is that something just don't do to preserve future content?

Finally he got to it! XD

Look forward to Superman versus Goku 2!!!

Anyone going to tell him that's not Bulma that's chi-chi

Goku was turned into a kid in GT.

I'm ready for Doomsday's fight. Also check out Young Justice Abridged. Their Superman acts the exact opposite of how the real Superman acts but it's still funny

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18:40 yes the dc abridged universe and it is fantastic

Watch part 2

With a battle like this, obviously the result would be controversial and a lot would yell it to be wrong. But the one actual point of contention, that makes sense beyond the standard "they didn't use this detail", you're expected to get in these matchups: Superman was actually rebooted AGAIN two years before this battle. DC launched a complete (or...mostly complete) reboot of its entire lineup, called the New 52, basically discarding most of its past to reintroduce each character with an updated Status Quo. Among these reboots were a new direction for Superman, which included massive nerfs. The Death Battle stated, they used his feats from after the first Reboot (1986), and for that their analysis makes sense, but their intent of using the "current" Superman simply didn't work, because that Superman was no longer canon for two years now. Would the new Superman still win? Maybe, but that would need new calculations. Ben Singer (you saw his name in the title cards, and heard him as "Wiz") admitted to base most of Supermans powers on the Special "Superman vs. the Elite", as this special was unique in giving Superman a situation, where he could let loose - seeing as usually, he held back his power out of fear of hurting others. The problem, of course, was this new Reboot, which made the special non-canon. Well that, and you can always argue the numbers, seeing as writers fluctuate the powers, and the method they used to get to Gokus numbers was one they invented themselves. As for their reaction...well, just wait a bit. In a future Death Battle, they will revisit this struggle, and attempt to update this fight.

Watch Goku Vs Superman DeathBattle 1&2 Debunk they go over what they had done wrong for both Characters like the took Goku from the Sayan Saga and put it in at the end like saying his speed never changed and they calculations at the end are incorrect saying his Base form is twice as strong from his Super Sayan form and his Base is equal to Super Sayan 2 form in the calculation.

They might have had some numbers wrong, but the outcome would have been the same. To put it simple, Superman is designed to be a Man without limits, that's why he is boring AF. Every time the writer see a limit on Superman, the writers feel the need to one up the other writers of the DC Comics by making Superman more powerful... The continuity for the DC comic books is f****** stupid. Goku and his creative team gave Goku limits but not unreasonable. Goku's philosophy is "they're always be a bigger fish in the sea, this is what makes Goku's character so unique, is that they're always be someone stronger than him."

It one I didn't have a problem with.... Or the the Follow up Round 2 Ben 10 vs Green Lantern on the other hand, while I don't have problem with who won, it was how they showed him winning that was nonsense.

How do you weigh the earth? Just turn a scale upside down. Duh.