When my husband and I were dating/courting. We had purity rings and waited for marriage. 18 years and 3 kids later here we are going strong. Our dating experience was wonderful. We actually talked and got to know one another before getting physical. If I could I would do it again. We’re expecting our kids to find partners the same way. It’s a much more sane approach.

This is the first time I've ever heard a theology of the righteous use of what would appear to be "coarse language." Thank you for this. Much to chew on, and well worth the listen. Thankful for the desire to take seriously that the law of God is meant to indicate wisdom for all men, in all nations, to learn how to properly take dominion over all thoughts to the glory of God.

The amazing thing to me is that when Nadia Bolz-Weber says something with an incidental minutia of truth, we are willing to say, "Oh she has a point." But when Doug writes an article that has a bad word in it, no one is willing to ask whether or not he has a point.

4:22 Doug says that people fall all over themselves to make room for, make excuses for outrageous behavior of the Left, explaining away and contextualizing it. But then, Doug does exactly the same thing in the second half of the video, telling listeners that he is doing things just like Ezekiel or Isaiah did, or not even as obscene as Ezekiel and Isaiah. Of course, all of this could have been avoided if he simply didn't use such language in the first place. If he believes people got distracted from the point he was making by the language he used, perhaps he could simply not use such language. It's pretty simple. And no, I don't think what he did was righteous, any more than I think the Left's obscene behavior is righteous.

'Swearing', in its modern context, is essentially akin to slang. It has become so common that any potential 'shock value' from its usage is relegated primarily to those who are societally expected to *not* use such vocabulary. Ie; a 'Christian'. In a literal sense, 'curse words' are no different from any other word. They are all just noises we are uttering from our mouths. These noises are made for the intention of communication. There is no inherent magical properties to sounds coming out of our throats. God is more concerned with our intent, above all, whilst man is generally fixated on one's actions or results. That being said, while God is unlikely to hold you accountable for using a so-called profane word, the target audience of your message may be distracted, and your point lost on them. It is more to do with societal, man-made taboos rather than a truly grievous sin of course, but still - it would look like you wound up wasting your time.

So from what I gather: 1. He did it for “shock value”. 2. Points at the bad things THEY did. 3. He intends to do it again. 4. Quotes Ephesians to show he is knowledgeable. 5. Misuses the terms God swearing by Himself to excuse his behavior. 6. Invents the term “Godly Obsenity”. And the list goes on…

There is no place for obscenity in the Christian vocabulary. Not even to prove a point!!! "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, bt that which is goo to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." Epheisans 4:29

No, this is pure foolishness. I've heard many Christians justify using vulgar slang or profanity by comparing it to what either Jesus said or what the prophets said. I doubt very much the motivation for using that particular word has anything to do with holiness. Dropping F-bombs, S-bombs, and C-bombs is inappropriate for so many reasons. 1) It does violate Ephesians 4:29 and 5:4. It's rotten, worthless, filthy talk that is of poor quality. Calling a woman the C-word is unnecessary because there are other words that could've been used to make the point. 2) The fact that you justify it shows that there is actually no limit to which words you think are suitable for use or not. That is subjective. You can use any vulgar term and then compare it to the words of Jesus and the prophets, but where is your guideline? If the C-word is acceptable, then at what point will you stop? 3) Whenever a Christian attempts to make a form of speech holy that even the unsaved world knows is vulgar, it makes me wonder if they understand 1 Peter 1:13-16. We are not to sound like the thug on the street cussing out a woman or dialogue from a profanity-laced R-rated movie; we need to conduct ourselves with proper, appropriate speech. Jesus says some serious things about idle speech in Matthew 12:34-37; as believers we need to guard our tongues and speak correctly. James 3:5-12 talks much about controlling the tongue. Perhaps Mr. Wilson needs to read those verses because as a pastor would he think the C-word would be appropriate to use in front of his congregation if he was verbally speaking on the subject he wrote about?

Thought he was referring to Calvinist !

He quotes the passage of "straining at a gnat, while swallowing a camel." I assume that the c-word is the gnat. In the context of the verse (Matthew 23:23,24) Christ actually says both are important. This is so stupid. You say that you use foal language to draw attention to the point you are making. Then you say that when you do it, no one is focused on the point you are making but the word; so it doesn't work on a practical level either. Why use it? Stop doing it. I think you will be far better off.

Because I've truly esteemed dear Pastor Doug (a bit > half through his Romans series sermons) it's sad that he conveniently avoids any mention of the word of Christ (Rom 10:17 so then the faith is by hearing, and hearing through Rhema-word of Christ) and how badly he's violating Him: Eph 4:29 KJV Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Col 3:8 KJV But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Sadly its part of his REacting to evil instead of ACTing according to Scripture whereby we measure our distance from the former instead of the latter which is to be our sole authority and measure. Sad dear Doug pretends to excuse himself by appealing to supposed but unpersuasive Scripture examples as if he's attained to the same level as Scripture's human authors. We need the power of Christ's HOLY Spirit, not mere human "shock value" like the world uses. This is a troubling aspect of personality cults like Wilson's and Piper's and Chandler's, all of whom I love and reverse, but not without wise caution. God save us.

Finally, Someone explaining the purpose of purposeful obscenity.

Jude warned us about Nadia Boltz-Weber

I wish to understand what Doug meant by purity culture damage as much as abortion culture. Also, its good to know I'm not the only Christian that understands that cussing and cursing are not always the same.

Agree completely.

I respect you but I believe you've stumbled into justification of at they very least a grey area. If we respond to persons in abhorrent behavior and don't sound any different than the world, it's a problem, we are to be called out and separate.

God finds no reason for profanity in scripture, a wise man should do the same.

Here is some powerful harsh Biblical language. There is a time and place for it. Really appreciate the video. Psalm 58:1-11 Focus on; Psalm 58:1-3 Psalm 58:6 Psalm 58:8 (yikes 😮 ) Psalm 58:10-11

Though I have certainly enjoyed listening to a lot of the Doug Wilson content on KZfaq, I am very surprised by his justification of using profanity (obscenity) in a public forum. The fact that he did it purposefully makes it even worse. I understand he did it for shock value. I fully understood his explanation in the video for why he did it. But I keep coming back to Jesus and the Apostles. They are our New Testament ministry models. I can’t remember Paul using an obscenity to confront the temple prostitute system of his day. I don’t remember Jesus trying to shock the people of His day by using profanity. Don’t get me wrong: they both used shocking language to get the attention of their audience. But I can’t recall them using either an obscenity or profanity to get people’s attention. Isn’t the Christian church supposed to be different than the world? And, if using that obscenity is perfectly ok, why didn’t he just say the word on KZfaq, instead of saying “the C-Word”? I think that stunt was a horrible witness for the church and the Lord Jesus Christ.

SHE'S NOT A LUTHERAN

Preachers should not use bad words. Why is this a thing?

he said the p word 😳

Dear Canon Press, you suggest that that there is a word used in Philippians 3:8 that constitutes bad language. This is the word translated "dung" in the KJV Bible. Alas, the Greek word is translated "loss, damage, punishment" in every Classical, Biblical and Hellenistic Greek dictionary on the market. So can you back up your intimation that the KJV word for "dung" is used by Paul in the profane sense of "s**t"?

This is nonsense. Would you smack your sons hand if he used this word? How much worse is a when a pastor does it. Defecating on the rug gets attention, it doesn't mean it's a proper method of doing so. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, Wilson, you're no Ezekiel.

I see the point, but the issue lies in the way we have been told, and tell our children, that certain words themselves are evil. That the f word is bad, no matter what context, same for the b word, s word, and all of those words. So as soon as someone uses those words, and they are supposed to be Christian, then they see it as wrong. And because you are doing something wrong, your point becomes secondary. They feel that they need to call you out. Had you not used that word, they would be talking about your point. My question would be, where is the line. Obviously we aren't going to be okay with our small children using this Godly language. Can we use it on the daily? So long as the context approves of it, and it falls withing the Godly language, then we can use it freely?

Seems like a lot of justification going on in the comments. I'm surprising to see no pushback to the language. I'd say "but Paul said all his achievements were dung and also told the Judaizers to cut their penises off!" is a terrible and thoughtless argument. Firstly, the word Paul uses for dung would have been at home in a medical description in the 1st century as well as the context he uses. Secondly, Paul does not say, "cut your d*ck/c*ck off," which would have been profane, but he says, "I wish they would just cut themselves off," which says the same thing without being profane. The key is the profanity of the one word here. But altogether this is a moot point, since You Ain't The Apostle Paul. "But Elijah did it," well You Ain't The Prophet Elijah either. But you may say to me, "Paul says, imitate me as I imitate Christ," which is true, however "as I imitate Christ" is a key phrase there. Jesus used terms like "brood of vibers" and "whitewashed tombs" and pronounced "woe to you!" but he was never once crass or profane. There is a difference between coarse and rough language, which is used throughout the bible, and obscene language, which I can only think of being used a couple of times, always in the OT and entirely in quotes from sinfully angry people (i.e. David wanting to slay "all those who piss against the bricks" and the Assyrian General telling Hezekiah his people will "drink their own piss and eat their own dung." This was a sinful moment of unreasonable anger for David, and the other guy is an Assyrian general.).

Nope. Nadia may be a heretic, but it does not excuse Doug using a slur. He accuses Nadia of reducing women to genitalia while he himself has a history of reducing women to sexual objects for their husband's pleasure. There's no excuse for the C word and there's no excuse for Doug's misogyny.

What’s the C Word? (Sorry I’m not from the US)

There is never a righteous occasion for the type of language that Doug used in his article. The ends do not justify the means. This is worldly pragmatism rather than biblical conduct. It is wicked and ungodly reasoning that needs to be repented of.

I like this channel more everyday

If you want to be like any of the prophets, be like Isaiah who beheld the Lord Himself in His holy temple “Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.” -Isaiah 6

Using pornographic words are a sin (outside of the privacy of your bedroom). We don't need to shock with sin; sin is not salt. Col 3:8 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Please, oh, please, Mr. Wilson, won't you give us a law and a targum for potty words? How about you stop perverting the grace of God into sensuality. Can we all remember that God's men do not wage war as the world does? "Nadia Bolz-Weber did something obscene, so I said something obscene to bring attention to her obscenity," is not a biblical line of reasoning. Douglas Wilson is not the apostle Paul, and he is doing a really bad job at imitating him.

Doug should have used the "B" word, as in Baal...if the woman gathered the purity rings, melted them down, and made an image to present to Gloria Steinem... Exodus 32:1-6

We are living in a society now where evil, godless reprobates have normalized wickedness. We should shun it in every form and pronounce God's wrath on those that are spreading sin like a cancer. We dont need pithy responding "in kind" or in like manner. We need absolute rebuke and hate for what these serpents do and are.

I remember the hoo-hah at the time this happened, but i only just now listened to this. Can't see the problem.

Ethically sourced porn??????

Love his teaching he really explains things well

Quite the setup Doug, but as usual you have a very relevant "oof" impact with your lesson. Thank you.

What is the “c” word

does this give me permission to watch south park? please

C word, check. P word, check. All you need is one F bomb for 10,000 points.

Scary that a man that proposes to preach and uphold scripture totally subverts clear commands of scripture concerning speech. And justifies it away. He is rightly called the "Mark Driscoll of Idaho", as otherwhere referred to. Be careful with Douglas Wilson, even if he is a reformed pastor. You can't convince me a man filled with the Holy Spirit of God crassly lets words like c- and p- roll off his tongue in such a proud manner and spirit, not to mention a lot of other crass/inappropriate language in his other content. Douglas Wilson needs to repent. He's on a slippery slope. How any woman, or man for that matter, could even feel comfortable facing this man in person as their pastor is perplexing.

So a Bible passage describing obscene language is now to be taken as prescriptive?

Thought this was going to be about cults. This works too

I've always wondered why people view some words as "bad" and some as "good". Always found that interesting.

Well, the judge’s scores are in: All 10’s for Doug Wilson in the Hermeneutical Gymnastics event!

When I was threatened with violence at work my email to managers contained an actual quote from the exchange.

Gosh you’re a sick man mr. Wilson.

Oh, I thought they meant Confederate. :D

No sir! Absolutely not! Never mind that I know no atheists who use that word in reality, and that you used it flippantly and cheekily, but that you, a supposed "man of God", minister of peace would so blatantly reduce someone a woman down to her genitalia, and an extremely vulgar term. It does not matter that she chooses to identify as that, we are called to higher standards than this. This is not excusable. This is not worth bragging over.

Nope. Answers not congealing for me. Sometimes even though I can I don’t because the outcome isn’t worth the missed message. Bible says not to use this language so let’s point out where the Bible does use it? Feels like woman shouldn’t be in authority but let’s look at where they were in scripture. The random outlier situation doesn’t overrule the general mandate. Did the shock value bring the attention and insight into the bigger meaning. I’d say with a strong majority no. From my anecdotal circle of the world where your name is brought up. I end up having to defend the word much more than the content. I’m personally unfazed and don’t chunk the watermelon because a fly landed on it.

I like Doug and agree with him. But not quite on this.

Some might say that this is causing my weaker brother to stumble, and using "the Bible" to justify it.

Love the content, but disagree with this.

Gross. What a horrible representation of a Christian leader!

She is not a c-word but a vile false priestess. And she needs to be called out.

Justifying sin. It's a sign of an unsaved person.☹️

"Nooooooooo you can't just say bad words, that's unchristian!!" Doug Wilson: haha c-word go brrr

ephesians 4:29 you must let no unwholesome word come out of your mouth..... Using filthy language is not Godly no matter how you put it. That is being of the world not of God.

Douglas Wilson is so disappointing. Shameful abuse of so called 'Christian liberty.' 😢

If it reeks like a C, leaks like a C, and queefs like a C, then it’s probably a C. Thank God this pastor calls it like it is.

He has a foul mouth.

Stop calling her a “pastor.” She is a witch.

It's about damn time we get attention to this subject and if unsavory language is what it takes, so be it.