I'm surprised it took this long for this GPU to be featured.
@Hybred6 ай бұрын
They used it in older videos
@watchmejumpstart246 ай бұрын
It's not the first time tho lol
@MarceloTezza6 ай бұрын
@@Hybred the non XT?
@Hybred6 ай бұрын
@@MarceloTezza yes, like 2x in console comparison videos
@WASD-MVME6 ай бұрын
they are a console channel and should stick to it their pc coverage is garbage
@jimbob89926 ай бұрын
I'm a little surprised Rich didn't take another trip into the British countryside with a wad of cash to find this GPU after buying his new TV and that series s for £5.50.
@oliverdavis46426 ай бұрын
scrapheap challenge digital foundry revival
@JaimeIsJaime6 ай бұрын
@@RicochetForce I am ready for Bespoke
@limpa7566 ай бұрын
I don't get it
@johnboylan38326 ай бұрын
@@limpa756You're not missing anything.
@HugoStiglitz886 ай бұрын
5.50 for a series s? What a rip off
@Wayofthelao6 ай бұрын
The man in this video is not only handsome, but he’s the real star of digital foundry. Kudos my dude
@talysdarkthoughts5526 ай бұрын
He's kinda bald.
@beachslap73596 ай бұрын
@@talysdarkthoughts552he can blind people by reflecting sunrays with his head, which is an advantage.
@winlover376 ай бұрын
That's rich
@joet47746 ай бұрын
They're calling him bespoke in the here and now
@DarshUK16 ай бұрын
Found Rich’s alt account
@bearpuns59106 ай бұрын
The comparison between PS4 and equivalent PC GPUs of the time was a welcome surprise, and gives the PS5 comparisons some context. I feel like it makes more sense as a PC gamer to upgrade your GPU every 4-ish years than it does to expect console equivalent performance over the course of an entire console generation
@Atlas-hu9wk6 ай бұрын
If money is not an issue, you will be spending more than a ps5.
@theanimerapper63516 ай бұрын
Still rocking with my 2060 super at 60fps
@user-md4xk2kd5t6 ай бұрын
The thing is if you pay for playstation plus or whatever it's called for 3 years $240. Spend a bit of extra cash and you got a gpu much faster that what was available at the time.
@dmessy916 ай бұрын
My 1080ti is literally out performing 2 gens of consoles still (depending on the game)
@DavidSmith-bv8mv6 ай бұрын
I've been saying this for years and it's a shame it took them this long to do it long after it was replaced as lead platform. Upgrading overtime/ or having a very excessive PC at a console launch is really just common sense or should be at this point if you want to stay ahead.
@CasualGamers6 ай бұрын
I suspect some of the high frame rate stuff is better on the 6700 not only due to GPU performance but the CPU on PS5 is a quite limited zen2 with crippled cache that also shares power management with the GPU. That square in cyberpunk tends to be tax the CPU quite a bit.
@NadeemAhmed-nv2br6 ай бұрын
The PS5 is cpu limited is my conclusion as well . When rt or just reg graphics get turned on increasing gpu load, the gap increases to 30% to 45 % meaning just like apple, programming to the metal which is possible with fixed specs and almost no overhead performance cost on consoles, leads to way better performance with the same raw HP
@tvcultural686 ай бұрын
I didn't understand why they chose that particular excerpt from Cyberpunk, which is CPU-bound, to make the comparison.
@sumitupadhayay22706 ай бұрын
@@tvcultural68 because that is one of the only areas where the performance is repeatably under 60fps
@CasualGamers6 ай бұрын
@@sumitupadhayay2270that is the CPU taking the hit though, Richard probably knows that, not sure why he included in this video, at least without giving a reminder that it could be CPU, since we don't have access to usage metrics. Could very well be STAPM capping clocks to keep within a power budget, but the console CPU is quite underwhelming.
@nighttimestalker6 ай бұрын
Also shared memory bandwidth which is another limit
@ojassarup2586 ай бұрын
What's funny is that the 6700 has been readily available on retail post covid for $270, hardly anyone reviewed it or talked about it
@Ripcode22338916 ай бұрын
AMDs best advantage is the lack of hype, and therefore reasonable pricing from second hand sellers
@ItsSahendra6 ай бұрын
I love these sort of videos from Rich himself! Thanks for your hard work!!
@Riboshom6 ай бұрын
While this is definitely going to help people who want to make sure their new PC can be at least on par with the current consoles, this comes in strangely late into the life-cycle of both the console and the GPU. Would have been much more useful to compare these 2 years ago.
@polarvortex66016 ай бұрын
didnt do it because money talks 💰💰💰💰
@Manganization6 ай бұрын
This card was around for years. They're only now reviewing it for some reason.
@_TheElMan6 ай бұрын
2 years ago you couldn't get that card for this price! Remember the horrendous state of GPUs back then?
@NadeemAhmed-nv2br6 ай бұрын
The PS5 is cpu limited is my conclusion. When rt or just reg grpqhics get turned on increasing gpu load, the gap increases to 30% to 45 % meaning just like apple, programming to the metal which is possible with fixed specs and almost no overhead performance cost on consoles, leads to way better performance with the same raw HP
@sharathvasudev6 ай бұрын
rtx 3060 and 2070 super was usually compared to ps5. 6700 is in the ball oark
@ianuzzo6 ай бұрын
This is exactly how i imagined my PS5 would stack up against my PC with RX 6700. I was too lazy to actually do the testing and benchmarking. So thanks DF ! I have both the PS5 and PC hooked up to a 65inch 4k TV and i think most games look pretty good overall.
@Crashed1319636 ай бұрын
Same. Its 2024 and $500 is not a lot of money anymore . Love the Ps5.
@Crashed1319636 ай бұрын
@@JokerX350 Can't do digital my best games come from a pawnshop used disc bargain bin. I just got a used disc of Jedi Survivor for $15 Canadian ($10US) That game is $45 if on sale at PS store.
@newyorktechworld64926 ай бұрын
@@JokerX350Yes but a pc is used for much more than gaming.
@TerraWare6 ай бұрын
Iceberg Tech did a similar test to this a while back too. Very good video to watch if you enjoyed this one.
@chacharealsmooth9416 ай бұрын
@@JokerX350meh. The cost of games for PS5 piles up considerably over time. I'm more interested in having multipurpose hardware with cheaper games.
@oktusprime36376 ай бұрын
13900K+32GB DDR5 6000MHz with the RX 6700. Richard: I wonder why Hitman and Monster Hunter Rise run so much better on the 13900K at 100fps+. Come on man.
@breakingyourlegs5 ай бұрын
Dude, not the PC's fault if the ps5 has a cpu bottleneck, lol. Makes sense to use a strong cpu if you're testing a gpu - to prevent the cpu (especially weaker ones) from falsifying the gpu performance. It's basic knowledge.
@Wyn3e5 ай бұрын
@@breakingyourlegsthen this video is useless the whole point is to somewhat at least match it such as a 5600x cpu or 5700x a max ofc it's gonna run like that no console is gonna run 13900k cpu performance due to the way it is making ur comment relatively useless
@breakingyourlegs5 ай бұрын
@@Wyn3e I get what you're saying but I'd still disagree. This video just shows that the PS5 has a comparably weak cpu when it comes to more demanding games in 1080p so that it can't utilize the gpu's full potential as it seems. When it is not bottlenecked it basically matches the performance of the RX6700 which is indeed interesting. But I think a pc with an r7 5700x would still outperform the ps5 because its cpu architecture is based on the ryzen 3000 series if I remember correctly (possibly and most likely an underclocked ryzen 7 3700x?) Edit: Zen 2 is ryzen 3000 series, mixed it up with 2000 series before, my bad.
@SirCrest6 ай бұрын
04:30 PS5 looks dramatically lower resolution here. Feels like the 6700 was doing more work
@iPh1l1pp6 ай бұрын
I see no difference. Lol
@martinfletcher96996 ай бұрын
@@iPh1l1pp look at the foliage far out PS5 looks like ass the bush under the tree next to his face and the little gap in the trees where the sun lights trough right next to same tree it all looks SO bad on ps5
@iPh1l1pp6 ай бұрын
@@martinfletcher9699 What is see. The PS5 version of Avatar has softened leaf textures, but without a direct comparison, it's less noticeable I think. More concerning is the significant draw distance pop-in issue during flight, even on a powerful PC running on Ultra settings. Lighting I still don’t see big difference. But Ps5 is more blurry on distance. Maybe i watch the video again on my Cx
@zbigniew26286 ай бұрын
It can be youtube compression...
@pgr32905 ай бұрын
They just don't look the same PC looks cleaner especially foliage and texture like on the rock near Ellie, that'll be the FSR
@lagrangemechanics6 ай бұрын
The PS5 seemed to fare a little worse when engaged in performance mode. Could the Zen 2 CPU in the console have been a limiting factor when the frame rate was higher?
@NadeemAhmed-nv2br6 ай бұрын
The PS5 is CPU limited is my conclusion as well. When rt or just reg graphics get turned up increasing gpu load, the gap increases to 30% to 45 % meaning just like apple, programming to the metal which is possible with fixed specs and almost no overhead performance cost on consoles, leads to way better performance with the same raw HP.
@ElPibePlay10006 ай бұрын
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br u copying that everywere 😂 But i agree, PS5 CPU has very cut down L3 cache
@danielweiss44986 ай бұрын
Lower Power consumption . Only 200 Watts total and IS extremly quiet
@andresalbertoleosramos42966 ай бұрын
Ps5 Its only 3.5ghz the pc cpu could be 4.2 or higher even stock
@xrayxray6836 ай бұрын
Limit only broken hands "dev" ! They dont now how it work (((
@ThibautMahringer6 ай бұрын
Man I love this kind of videos, when console like hardware arrive on PC and is then compared with the console. So interesting !
@Radek4946 ай бұрын
This GPU came out like 3 years ago
@ThibautMahringer6 ай бұрын
@@Radek494 I was talking about DF videos, not the hardware itself
@Shvraz6 ай бұрын
4:00 the pc version looks like it's running at a higher resolution tbh
@hawksfan8165 ай бұрын
right after I saw that and then He mumbles some bs after that I knew this old man has no clue
@GameslordXY5 ай бұрын
@@hawksfan816 Perhaps someone else edited it and messed up. Or perhaps no-one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes
@japanesesamurai49455 ай бұрын
because if i'm not mistaken tlou on ps5 does not run with fsr, but pc does
@djayjp6 ай бұрын
4:16 lighting looks different and PC looks much higher resolution (look at the ground and grass near Ellie).
@KhromTX6 ай бұрын
They've missed stuff like this before where one platform is obviously higher resolution and they don't always notice.
@Tx_zx6 ай бұрын
Not only lighting, whole picture is better on pc and has higher resolution, grass is also looks better and more sharper. Something is wrong with these console settings. Also the pc port of last of us not good port at all and still is not fixed.
@user-md4xk2kd5t6 ай бұрын
@mvcmvvm3239 I think part of it is that even of settings appears to be like for like. The way they were coded on console may be more efficient or they take detail out in a way that isn't perceptible.
@WASD-MVME6 ай бұрын
it is so is the foliage.
@soragranda6 ай бұрын
They always "miss" stuff like this -_-.
@mattl55056 ай бұрын
I appreciate these insights! Thanks as always, Rich and the DF Team!
@mazziecat6 ай бұрын
"Coding to the metal" is basically a meme at this point. You had good run, console fanboys. And that awful Last of Us port says absolutely nothing apart from the port being complete rubbish, so I'm not even sure why you use it. It's just a bad port, and the only thing you got a metric of here is how bad it actually is.
@moomeuh13426 ай бұрын
As a 6700 owner BIG THANKS for this video !
@braxtonwise98976 ай бұрын
Same, its nice to have my card get talked about when its usually the xt thats in the conversation
@ShaneDanger420696 ай бұрын
If you own it you should know if it’s worth it. You need external affirmation to justify your purchase?
@Sheen3346 ай бұрын
@@ShaneDanger42069Grow up.
@lirfrank6 ай бұрын
@@ShaneDanger42069 The projecting on this comment, damn.
@leoalex20016 ай бұрын
@@lirfrankyes lmao
@xFabi996 ай бұрын
Fascinating stuff. Just love your videos Rich!
@thedausthed6 ай бұрын
4:13 Invalid comparison, the PC version has clearly higher tree and grass texture res.
@proassassin84736 ай бұрын
Just take a loss. Jesus Christ
@brunoutechkaheeros11826 ай бұрын
@@proassassin8473the loss of having Sony making a shit port of their game? yeah, i agree
@soragranda6 ай бұрын
@proassassin8473 The point of the comparison is if the version have a lot of similar level setting. If something is CLEARLY better, then it defeat the original purpose of the comparison :/.
@256odeon5 ай бұрын
@@proassassin8473nah pc still better. imagine spending money on a mid ass generation of consoles.
@TheHairyGorilla5 ай бұрын
@@brunoutechkaheeros1182 ok what PC spec should they port it to mine or yours? Problem with PC there is sooo many differences how can you expect a game to be like it is on a closed box...
@IcebergTech6 ай бұрын
I bow to your superior testing, sirrah
@TerraWare6 ай бұрын
I seen your video of this comparison months ago and was very well done.
@armedready15 ай бұрын
Didn't think I'd see you here.
@toddsimone71826 ай бұрын
In TLOU it looks like PC is running at higher resolution or with less upscaling. Even on youtube you can see it's crisper on PC.
@bearpuns59106 ай бұрын
From my experience with an RDNA 2 card and looking at benchmarks, that GPU architecture underperforms at 4K versus Nvidia’s Ampere and Lovelace. The sweet spot for my card is 1440p, which might explain the RX 6700 being faster than PS5 in lower-res performance modes and slower in quality modes.
@coffee71806 ай бұрын
i see a man of culture, something only people know if they watch benchmarks.
@massimocsw94556 ай бұрын
6900XT ~ 3090 6800XT ~ 3080 10GB I don't think so, at least we need to compare sponsored titles on an equal footing
@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult21846 ай бұрын
@@massimocsw9455 6700 is like between 3060 and 3060 ti. it's closer to the 6650xt than the 6700xt.
@bearpuns59105 ай бұрын
@@coffee7180 Benchmarking videos are weirdly relaxing tbh
@robemanchester22776 ай бұрын
With Cyberpunk, this widens my suspicion that the insane differential between Radeon and Nvidia is majorly influenced by the graphics API/CUDA implementation. I'm sure Nvidia would still be on top overall, but the gap I would bet should be a lot smaller. Maybe ZLUDA running underneath it can show us what RDNA is really capable of with Path Tracing.
@Haddley3336 ай бұрын
yes quite the suspicion ineed.
@Gravy12556 ай бұрын
Yeah. Everyone always gets mad when AMD sponsored ganes make Nvidia cards slightly underperformed. Yet Nvidia sponsored titles basically tank AMD cards like crazy. Remember Fallout 4, Cyberpunk and plenty more.
@BlueCrashFigurineHoldingWumpa6 ай бұрын
LUDAAA
@notlekrut6 ай бұрын
In what context are you talking about? ZLUDA and CUDA are irrelevant for gaming. CUDA is not used for gaming or RTX, so ZLUDA won't change anything here. For rendering usages maybe it'll help, but I doubt it'll be a game changer until AMD comes out with some real improvements
@starbez6 ай бұрын
@@Gravy1255but nvidia sponsored games does have nice feature when compared to amd
@iceburglettuce69406 ай бұрын
No surprise on Cyberpunk. This and the Witcher have always been strangled by the developer in favour of Nvidia on the PC. This has been especially true with RT. This vid actually proves this is has been done on purpose.
@chadwolf38406 ай бұрын
Shows how great of a deal the PS5 is relative to standalone graphics cards.
@Dragonfury30006 ай бұрын
Consoles will get more expensive if this keeps up.
@synystera6 ай бұрын
when you factor in other things like PS+ subscription, the cost of games and a very limited modding support compared to PCs it becomes not that big of a difference.
@danielweiss44986 ай бұрын
@@Dragonfury3000PS5 price will drop with the PS5 Pro release this year
@danielweiss44986 ай бұрын
@@synysteraIT IS. Especially the convience and Ports are mostly grap today on pc
@DavidSmith-bv8mv6 ай бұрын
@@synystera I don't buy that sh!t and nobody I know does either. You buy the console and the games ( discounted, ofcourse ) and thats it, no fluff. So the difference is null and void. Accept the reality as it is, which is consoles take the piss out of PC equivelant components in price/performance..
@jpr1est7836 ай бұрын
Great video! Both consoles have a more aggressive resolution scaler than suggested and at least full screen this is quite visible, particularly if you find any kinds of mesh wire fencing and wires in general are usually among the first things to suffer with upscaling. Which isn't a bad thing in favour of being able to add better lighting/shadows, given most console gamers are at a distance on a sofa where it's more difficult to tell a lowered resolution but will notice/feel lighting/shadows
@x0Fang0x6 ай бұрын
What cpu was used in this testing? The big advantage at higher framerates could be because of that. What about power limitation? Ps5 only runs at 200 to 250 watts.
@jotinhafilho59206 ай бұрын
true
@SimonVaIe6 ай бұрын
I think the Rx 6700 usually draws around 160 watts and the 4060 120. Add maybe 60-80 watts for a CPU and the rest. Not too far off, the 4060 could even be more efficient.
@ishiddddd47836 ай бұрын
that's kinda the point, even if they had the same gpu chip, the console would still be limited by cpu, power limits, power package delivery, form factor, etc.
@krazownik31396 ай бұрын
In my case RX6700 take at max 125 Watts after UV during torture tests, usually smaller due to me playing with options to increase performance and locking fps to monitor refresh rate (I don't need more). With CPU I don't know how to exactly measure power load of my Ryzen 7800X3D, but according to benchmarks it takes around 90W during the tests, with real life loads being much smaller.
@FullNietzsche6 ай бұрын
i9-13900K, which means this whole video is silly.
@oktusprime36376 ай бұрын
What is the CPU and rest of the system for the 6700?
@DavidBoggs-pk8nr6 ай бұрын
Very important part left out. The entire system as a whole is more impressive when you concider the specs and speeds they're running at as well.
@xDenokez6 ай бұрын
Yeah, this could explain the cases in which the RX 6700 provides way more FPS, maybe because the PS5 CPU can’t keep up with the GPU
@oktusprime36376 ай бұрын
@@xDenokez This what I was thinking. TLOU being a shit port explains the massive performance disparity but the 6700 system leading what appear to be CPU-limited scenarios by over 40% suggest a CPU bottleneck on the PS5.
@danielweiss44986 ай бұрын
@@xDenokez AMD ryzen 3700
@James2t36 ай бұрын
They are stressing the GPU, the CPU is taken out of the equation@@xDenokez
@gamingoptimized6 ай бұрын
Very interesting video, I missed those Console Killer PC guides
@BiscuitMan20056 ай бұрын
Those were the days
@selohcin6 ай бұрын
They can't make them anymore because it's impossible to build a console-grade PC for less than the price of a console nowadays!
@jose1319916 ай бұрын
@@selohcinimagine the PS5 pro coming out at 650 dollars for the whole console but with 7800XT performance which the leaked specs allude to. Can’t get a FULL 7800XT PC build with just 650 unless you’re already a PC and all you’re doing is dropping in the GPU and no other component.
@Tx_zx6 ай бұрын
@@jose131991 I think that ps5 pro will be little bit expensive and will cost 700$, but anyway there is possibility that rx 7800 xt will get price cut in nearest future
@selohcin6 ай бұрын
@@jose131991 Exactly right. You can't even build a PS5-grade PC for $500, so the PS5 Pro, if it comes as expected, will be fantastic.
@crowfix6 ай бұрын
I can't really see the point of this test. The PC used has a Core i9 13900K, so you mean the PS5 has a CPU close to a i9 ? It seems it's closer to a Ryzen 7 3xxx, so of course you get better results on the pc.
@ApexLodestar6 ай бұрын
As someone with an RX 6800 XT and Ryzen 7 5800X, consoles are truly amazing value for the money. I'm looking forward to a potential PS5 Pro which I'll likely get.
@HugoStiglitz886 ай бұрын
Yup. I have a i5-13600k and rtx 3070 and I'm surprised that it barely does better than ps5 in current Gen games, and in games that have stuttering issues on pc, ps5 is A LOT better. Unoptimized games like dying light 2 though are a million times better on my pc while cyberpunk is actually comparable on my ps5. If I go with Ray tracing, I lose the image quality that ps5 has (worth it though) Problem is in any last Gen games, my PC absolutely destroys ps5. Especially backwards compatible games, even some with ps5 ports. Guess thats what happens when a game is developed for a console from the start instead of just upgraded or ported later
@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu6 ай бұрын
I just think with PS4 games running on PS5. The ps5 does very little to enhance the games. It's especially playing them the same as a PS4 pro would. Sometimes if there is an uncapped frame rate you might get some higher frame rates but this is pretty rare. But then again it's not terrible as most PS4 games run great on PS4 pro. So it's still a good experience just nothing special. Compared to pc where you can adjust the settings for the hardware.
@JackJohnson-br4qr6 ай бұрын
Why? You already have one. In terms of CPU, yours is much more powerful than the PS5 Pro will ever be. The PS5 has the equivalent of a Ryzen 7 3700X at best. The PS5 Pro CPU should remain the same only clocked higher due to compatibility concerns. And your GPU is on par with the PS5 Pro as well. The PS5 Pro should have 60-64 compute units. The RX 6800 XT has 72. Which means you have a 15% to 23% stronger PS5 Pro already.
@denisn83366 ай бұрын
@@JackJohnson-br4qrps5 pro would crush a 6800 xt tho well if it’s a 2X boost just like ps4 to pro last gen
@tvcultural686 ай бұрын
The cost-benefit ratio of the PS5 isn't great. Seven years of paying to play online equates to the price of a mid-end GPU, and on top of that, the games are much more expensive.
@techtunnel4026 ай бұрын
I can't thank you enough for this video. I had a hunch that PC equivalent hardware of console's launch period degrades faster than console hardware and then there's a completely separate issue of driver compatibility ex. GTX 750 Ti can't even boot Uncharted games due to a lack of DX_12 feature set (AFAIK there isn't even a fix available to surpass the launch error. There is no way to play it on that GPU). Edit: Grammar
@Crashed1319636 ай бұрын
Game developers do backflips to optimized for consoles . Casual gamers' like Console or low mid PCs. Casual gamers vastly outnumber high end PC gamers. The majority buy more $70 games than the minority .
@sergeysiminyuk6 ай бұрын
If the devs wanted they could get Uncharted to run on at least the 4gb varient of the 750ti. Problem is there are so few 750ti owners that it makes no sense. With consoles old crappy hardware is what youre stuck with so the devs have to spend tons of cash to get something out of it. Not like there is any choice for console players either, if it took having the game render at 360p just to run on a console, thats what youre getting no matter what and nothing can be done about it.
@techtunnel4026 ай бұрын
@@sergeysiminyuk Yeah, I agree with that. If there are upsides with picking a console, there sure are enough downsides as well. In my case, I have always felt the need for output render resolution as an option on consoles, I have a monitor that's 1080p 144hz connected with my laptop and PS5. A lot of games on PS5 have a target output resolution of 1440p on performance mode and I wish I could make it 1080p instead and getter better performance overall.
@abdullahzafar440123 күн бұрын
It'd be AWESOME to see this specific comparison every two years
@m3lodeth6 ай бұрын
Hi, Rich! What CPU did you use paired with the GPUs you compared with the PS5? I know you are more or less gpu bound with the resolution you used to compare, but I'm curious what's the minimum required cpu in order to have a ps5 like graphics.
@krazyfrog6 ай бұрын
The PS5 CPU performance is somewhere between the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 7 3700X so anything better should do the job. Something like the 12400f would be more than enough.
@selohcin6 ай бұрын
The PS5 uses an 8-core, 16-thread Zen 2 CPU clocked at ~3.5 GHz, so anything at or beyond that level would get you there. However, you can't really buy the Ryzen 3700X (or 4700G) new these days, so you'd be much better off spending your money on a newer six-core CPU such as the Ryzen 5600. You'll get better frame rates when CPU-bound, and probably for a lower price.
@jose1319916 ай бұрын
Yea it’s the PS5’s CPU that’s mainly holding it back.
@benjaminphilp7206 ай бұрын
@@selohcin ps5 is 3.8 ghz
@selohcin6 ай бұрын
@@benjaminphilp720 Incorrect. The PS5's CPU fluctuates up and down depending on its load, and 3.5 GHz is the highest it is allowed to go. You're thinking of the Xbox Series X, which can reach 3.8 GHz when its SMT is disabled.
@jesusbarrera69165 ай бұрын
this needs a second video with a proper CPU pairing...
@samson72943 ай бұрын
The CPU is irrelevant for this specific testing since they are targeting 4k/30 or 4k/60. At that resolution and frame rate, any game on the PC will be GPU bound. They would get the same results with those PC GPUs whether they use a Zen 2 CPU or a Zen 4 CPU.
@AlexandrMTL6 ай бұрын
I'd love to see a full video of PS4 vs R7 370 4GB (vs RX 6400?) comparison in modern games.
@Skororost5 ай бұрын
Where can you see the graphics settings you are using? For example, for Cyberpunk 2077.
@dizzee21006 ай бұрын
CP77 performance on PS5 without RT might be a CPU issue
@Crashed1319636 ай бұрын
Playing CP77 at 55 fps on a $500 console is a blessing not a issue to me .
@danielweiss44986 ай бұрын
Power consumption. PS5 200 watts
@000Aikia0006 ай бұрын
Thank you for buying a PS5 and capture card from Facebook Marketplace to test this for us
@Link3131a6 ай бұрын
Am i blind? Last of us looks lower res on PS5 in the side by side comparisons 4:27
@martinfletcher96996 ай бұрын
your not blind TLOU is lower res foliage is tuned WAY down on ps5 aswell look further out its all pixalted as fuck compared to pc without fsr2 and with
@Link3131a6 ай бұрын
@@martinfletcher9699 Yeah idk how DF didn't pick up on this at all, the difference is obv
@martinfletcher96996 ай бұрын
@@Link3131aguess they dident look at it enough
@crookim6 ай бұрын
I got the RX6700 for $270 brand new a year ago, can't complain, the card is great for the price!
@Crashed1319636 ай бұрын
But you still have to buy the rest of the PC ,mobo,Power supply, wifi card, CPU ,Ram and case and put it together . The Ps5 is $500 ready to play games out of the box .
@danielweiss44986 ай бұрын
And the Games are was better optimized . PC Ports run Like garbage
@tadsnyder27566 ай бұрын
@@Crashed131963he’s just saying it’s a great card……
@SIW8086 ай бұрын
@Crashed131963 but he can do more than play games in the PC 🤷🏾♂️
@commonsense-og1gz6 ай бұрын
@@Crashed131963 that is if the person is building a new system, instead of upgrading an existing one. also, consoles require online fees to make complete use of the system, even if a pc can be built of equivalent performance for $800, the online fees for the console will build up canceling out the point of going with it.
@theotheronethere43916 ай бұрын
So, the RX 6700 and PS5 GPU has... 2304 cores 144 TMU 36 CU which is more or less the same spec layout of the RX580 which was the defacto benchmark for the last-gen enhanced consoles. It is like Sony went up to AMD and said, what if we replaced the Polaris cores in the RX580, add in some features (like RT), upgrade memory (to GDDR 6 and quantity) and all made some next-gen tweaks but keep the core layout the same. This is the type of stuff that can really help in the backend for game developers who may have developed games around the RX580 to transition over to current-gen performance.
Comparing different architectures tflops is pointless @@danielweiss4498
@richardcrane51896 ай бұрын
The Shadow being cast by the rotating fan in cyberpunk at 08:45 looks markedly different between the PS5 & the RX6700 to my eyes, looks like distractingly lower precision on PS5 to me.
@greatwhiteevox10086 ай бұрын
Would love to hear what they would speculate a PS5 Pro would ideally do. Personally, I just want to see quality modes now at twice the frame rate and offer over 120fps or higher for competitive games lock in 40 as the new minimum. Thunderbolt 4, 10gbs Ethernet, wifi 7, and pcie 5 ssd, and it'd be very dialed in. Bonus, if they go Titanium and Glass and ditch plastics like the iPhone and Samsung galaxy products.
@jtjones47276 ай бұрын
I don't see wifi 7, they don't even have wifi 6e yet. And the cheapest wifi 7 mesh routers I've seen are like 900 bucks.
@danielweiss44986 ай бұрын
60fps Minimum. IT has probably Double the Performance
@adriannavarro99626 ай бұрын
Cutdown RX 7700 XT, most likely.
@wanshurst24166 ай бұрын
@@danielweiss4498 double the Performance at RT yes. But it's still not good on AMD Hardware. Raster Performance will be ~50% higher.
@talibong95186 ай бұрын
There's not gonna be a PS5 pro, standard PS5 is still too expensive, too power hungry, and not selling enough units to justify a pro. It's clear that Sony's strategy is to sell games to PC gamers for those that want all the bells and whistles. Dream all you want but Sony spending all the money it would cost to have 2 production lines wouldn't be worth it, they want to make PS5 production as cheap as possible and splitting the production line up like that would inflate the production cost, not many people are gonna want to spend 600-700 on a mid gen upgrade when they can't tell the difference between native 4k and upscaled 1080p anyway.
@LEGIT_ELITE6 ай бұрын
Would be nice to know what cpu was paired with this card in the testing.
@vilzon78456 ай бұрын
Yes, cause i didn't get the meaning of cyberpunk 2077 test on market If even ryzen 5 5600x cant handle locked 60 fps there, how the hell they tested gpu side there... (on ps5) Cause its obvious zen2 cant handle 60 fps in ps5 either It was the most weird test 🧐
@luism81306 ай бұрын
CPU isn’t that important. Most games are gpu bound. CPU only matters at high frames 140+
@LEGIT_ELITE6 ай бұрын
This isn't true at all especiallly in the context of comparing a PC vs a console APU
@luism81306 ай бұрын
@@LEGIT_ELITEit is true, it’s been tested countless times.
@vilzon78456 ай бұрын
@@luism8130 😆 , I opened my old short video of my Ryzen 5 600x in cyberpunk 2077 test. At 720 with 50% so now not GPU bound at all . (Its not even with RT on , and not even patch 2.0 which is even more heavy) Check it out and it will change your world about how much cpu is important in modern games 😁
@Zastrutzki6 ай бұрын
That 3060 vs 4060 though. That's proof right there that nvidia are bastards.
@pool8426 ай бұрын
I love your techie comparison breakdowns. Thanks sir
@sumitupadhayay22706 ай бұрын
Since i got my laptop (2060m 9750h) back in 2020, I've always treated it like my very own series s and always play with optimised settings, and so far the performance has been on par with the series s. Almost gives me hope that I'll be able to "enjoy" gta 6 if I'll have to play on my laptop for some reason.
@Name-tn3md6 ай бұрын
Only if 720p fsr p on low settings
@sumitupadhayay22706 ай бұрын
@@Name-tn3md well if it runs like that on the series s! I won't mind playing it like that coz that's rockstar's vision for the series s and I don't think it would be that bad, kinda like rdr2's Xbox one version
@Name-tn3md6 ай бұрын
@@sumitupadhayay2270 omg it was horrible af
@zbigniew26286 ай бұрын
@@sumitupadhayay2270Xbox series S gpu power is probably on the lvl of newer rx5500xt... You can buy rx6600 on PC and have better performance.
@sumitupadhayay22706 ай бұрын
@@zbigniew2628 I have a laptop....
@kazeke7546 ай бұрын
I can't seem to find where he says what processor was used here
@xDenokez6 ай бұрын
Yeah, this could explain the cases in which the RX 6700 provides way more FPS, maybe because the PS5 CPU can’t keep up with the GPU
@NadeemAhmed-nv2br6 ай бұрын
The PS5 is CPU limited is my conclusion. When rt or just reg graphics get turned up increasing gpu load, the gap increases to 30% to 45 % meaning just like apple, programming to the metal which is possible with fixed specs and almost no overhead performance cost on consoles, leads to way better performance with the same raw HP
@nimbulan20206 ай бұрын
People never believe me when I say that The Last Of Us is still in terrible shape on PC. This is why - the PS5 outperforming equivalent PC hardware by a whopping 50%. On another note it's unsurprising that the PS5 has a performance advantage compared to these PC GPUs at higher resolutions - it's all down to memory bandwidth.
@Crashed1319636 ай бұрын
That game is so optimized for the Ps5 , no big shock there .
@nimbulan20206 ай бұрын
@@Crashed131963What I've heard is that the game engine heavily utilizes async compute and they didn't implement that in the PC version. No clue if it's actually true or not but it would explain the massive performance deficit and the bafflingly low power draw on PC GPUs. The engine is clearly leaving a lot of GPU horsepower on the table.
@JackJohnson-br4qr6 ай бұрын
@@nimbulan2020They use PS5’s approach how to handle streaming textures and copy and paste it to PC. So a CPU does all the hard work. Which is not how to program games for PC. Iron galaxy is just incompetent and proved it many times.
@liamness6 ай бұрын
The port is no longer broken after all the patches, but it's also not providing good utilisation of hardware. It really ought to be possible to play the game and have a good experience on more constrained hardware (e.g. a handheld PC or laptop) but that's just not possible at the moment, you need a high end desktop just to power through and get a decent 1440p / 60fps experience at console equivalent settings. Hopefully the eventual The Last of Us Part II port will have the proper resources given to the dev team and they'll do a good job. As it stands though, if you have the hardware to brute force your way through its issues, the port of Part I is at least a lot cheaper than the PS5 version.
@Cpoint.2006 ай бұрын
As a ps5 User ı loved this video. I hope you will make video like this for xbox series x or series s too 🙃ıt could be fine
@raresmacovei83826 ай бұрын
18:37: PS4 and 270X are not the same architecture. 270X is GCN1, PS4 is GCN2.
@Tx_zx6 ай бұрын
yep. As I know PS4 gpu had some features, which 270x hasn't
@danielweiss44986 ай бұрын
You mean PS5?
@sjneow6 ай бұрын
@@danielweiss4498 no he is referring to the last part of the video where Rich use PS4 to prove a case of how poorly it's PC equivalent GPU aged in comparison.
@DavidSmith-bv8mv6 ай бұрын
It's still higher specced ( on paper ) in most areas over PS4 so you've got your counter-balance there.
@mitsuhh6 ай бұрын
The arch differences are small
@DenLeonRX6 ай бұрын
Wow it's exactly my GPU 😅
@fabrb266 ай бұрын
It's too bad that for the price asked, the 7600XT didn't come with at least performance in the range of 6700XT / 6750XT or even 6800 non XT. With a full PCIe 4.0x16 interface and 256bit-bus ! But i guess that would be the 7800 Non XT characteristics...
@commonsense-og1gz6 ай бұрын
the 7600xt doesn't have the ability to make use of the 256 bit bus. the hold back is the gpu chip. the gpu that would have made use of it would have been the 4060ti. this card should have been a 192 bit, 12 GB card.
@ukemix88486 ай бұрын
7700xt= rx6800
@molsen75496 ай бұрын
What frustrates me about current gen consoles is how few games support unlocked framerates and VRR. With equivalent PC hardware, I have can that in every game I play.
@Demmortal6 ай бұрын
Cyberpunk 60fps dips on ps5 is obviously on cpu side
@RenHeika5 ай бұрын
I used to agree with you on consoles performing well into the future however with hardware features in GPUs now like async, vrs, mesh shaders, ect, I think its gonna be closer with modern consoles since they are closer to PCs now than ever.
@tdome30006 ай бұрын
I'm still playing as much on my ps4 as I do on my ps5, just because it's fascinating to see how much can be squeezed out of 12 year old hardware.
@diddykong93666 ай бұрын
the Ps5 and xsx are the best hardware weve ever seen. a real good cpu with gpu and good amount of ram, yet these triple a devs disgrace the hardware by making their games look no better than last gen games while massively dropping fps and stability.
@sergeysiminyuk6 ай бұрын
And resolution. Rendering at 720p in 2024 is just unacceptable.
@accountteam98596 ай бұрын
"A real good CPU". 💀 The CPU is actually low-end... only the iGPU is powerful.
@accountteam98596 ай бұрын
@@sergeysiminyukYeah, but what can we do? This is how the developers want their games to run on these platforms. I still can't believe some games actually render at 540p on the PS5 and the XSX (even worse on XSS)...
@diddykong93666 ай бұрын
@@accountteam9859have you actually done research on the cpu or are you just some teenager who spams emojis?
@accountteam98596 ай бұрын
@@diddykong9366 It's low-end. Literally on par with a Ryzen 7 3700X, the Ryzen 7's low-end. And this one is even more powerful already. But since there isn't another option, this is the most close one. The iGPU on the other hand, performs very similar to an RTX 3060 and an RTX 3060Ti so I could say that's mid-end, but the CPU is pretty bad.
@rob42226 ай бұрын
Digital Foundry finally found out, that the consoles don't have a RTX2070S. Super 👍🏻
@JackJohnson-br4qr6 ай бұрын
I respect them, but they tend to favor Nvidia. As all of them say they have never had an AMD GPU for personal use since AMD bought ATI. And that was in 2006. I find it strange that the PS5, which uses an AMD GPU, is being compared to an Nvidia GPU. And when they recently thought about replacing the 2070 Super in tests, they didn't even think about AMD. They are only considering Nvidia, specifically the RTX 3060.
@techsamurai116 ай бұрын
Well, the Series X matched the 2060 Super (7.1 tflops) in some of Alex's videos which always shocked me as we expected 2080 Super (11.2tflops) performance from the Series X given the its 12 tflops. But this video shows that the PS5 is holding its own against the 6700 (11.3 tflop) video card from AMD and also faring well against the 2070 super (9 tflops) and the 3060 (12.7 tflops) and the 4060 (19.5) tflops from Nvidia. As Rich noted, the PS5 will only outperform these cards as time goes by as developers will clearly do a lot more with the PS5 than the old cards. If a game isn't running well or looking great, it's because of the developers not getting the most out of the PS5.
@southsidetherealest28606 ай бұрын
@@techsamurai11you are a playstation apologizer
@spectersmusic6 ай бұрын
I know the 2070 Super got better performance than “next gen” consoles using DLSS. Also they were using the 2070 Super because that was a good point for the average Steam user.
@rob42226 ай бұрын
@@techsamurai11 You cannot compare AMD TFLOPS with Nvidia TFLOPS!
@bobsmith73516 ай бұрын
ps5 seems to be remarkable value for money when comparing how much you would need to pay for the pc parts just for similar settings
@lemagreengreen6 ай бұрын
It is but you do have to factor in the high cost of games on consoles. The hardware is being sold at cost or even less than cost because the difference is made up (many times) by charging a high price for games, subscription services etc.
@KrytopsyX6 ай бұрын
Ray tracing taps into the bandwidth.
@erickelly41076 ай бұрын
Great analysis! I think the 6600XT is a closer match to consoles, perhaps with a TINY OC. Nvidia’s end somewhere between the GTX 1080 / 1080ti is ~ consoles raster or ~ RTX2070/s. I wouldn’t consider the consoles “RT capable” seeing as it’s not worth the performance hit to run the very minimal RT it has. It’s really the consoles CPU that holds them back from being solid 1440p/ 60FPS machines. This and the fact 2K “TV’s” aren’t a thing. Still for $500 the consoles are hardly a bad deal all considered.
@Crashed1319636 ай бұрын
Finally someone who spotted the $500 part. People playing on a $500 platform expecting to play at 60fps with RT on must live in another world .
@MudSluggerBP5 ай бұрын
LTT have a $500 PC with an Arc A770 matching the PS5 better than you’re doing here 🤷🏻♂️
@James2t35 ай бұрын
DF Video wasn't even about matching PS5 specs though?
@SPG89896 ай бұрын
The gpu isnt awful in the ps5, little weak for my tastes in a pc, the cpu is what is lacking. Zen 2 wasnt awful but it isnt great. That's why a pro wont do much if they just up the gpu. RT is killer on the cpu too. Kinda goes to show even on consoles optimization is a joke now. Plus RT is just awful on AMD. So when these devs forcw rt even in performance mode like Jedi, ff16 you get absolute shit results. Mix that with garbage engines like ue5 and its traversal stutter you get the generation we are in. I mean look at ff7 rebirth. Damn game looks worse than the 1st game
@ctrlectrld5 ай бұрын
Love this kind of videos, very interesting. Also this bit right here 13:46 , veeery interesting. Thanks Rich. It would be fascinating if Alex could look into that more in depth, perhaps giving it the dramatic "AMD cards run suspiciously better in Starfield" treatment. I know it's Cyberpunk and Nvidia, so yeah... but it would be fascinating indeed.
@FRANKY-PCERO5 ай бұрын
It's a shame what you're doing, cheating with those ridiculous comparisons between ps5 and PC. The next time you do this kind of ridiculous comparison, put the official PlayStation sponsor underneath 😂😂😂
@nykraftlemagnifique5 ай бұрын
PS5 GPU IS NOT COMPARABLE TO THE RX6700XT !!! A rx6600xt made better than the PS5 ... so ...
@darwiniandude5 ай бұрын
Loved the PS4 comparison at the end. I used to do the whole gaming PC thing but I really love that consoles get solid performance with no need to tweak things over the whole console lifespan. Also I like that (so far) for disc based games I can come back many years later to an offline console and pop in a disc and it works. I don't have to worry about losing access to old titles.
@mattymoyouknow2026 ай бұрын
Love these console equivalent pc videos. I must of missed it, but what were the rest of the pc specs for this one?
@sachoslks6 ай бұрын
Great video! I would like to see a video like this comparing the PS5 vs a bunch of different PC configs: a PC built with equivalent hardware (ssd, ram and CPU not just GPU), a PC built with the same budget of the PS5 Digital and a PC built with same budget of PS5 Digital + 7 years of PS Plus, it would be fun to compare how it scales.
@joviannagasaki846 ай бұрын
The 2070 Super is still a hero, especially considering the ability to mix DLSS with FSR through mods now to get frame generation added to Nvidias better stack. Also, as a project card it's the last card they did that supports old 3D screen technologies in the drivers. It'll be interesting to see the price of the 6700 on eBay over the next few days though lol
@Ajax-3226 ай бұрын
Rich doesn't make videos the most often, but they're always the best ones
@nomatter_me6 ай бұрын
This is incredible insight into some aspect of console hardware, very interesting and exciting video!
@Kryptix0III5 ай бұрын
I can see why Sony are so eager to release a PS5 Pro now
@SirRobinson5106 ай бұрын
As always… I really enjoyed this my DF friends. Thanks Rich
@rivariz91256 ай бұрын
Thank You for Your time to make this video❤ I have rtx4070 FE & PS5
@OniMirage6 ай бұрын
The cyberpunk issue is easy to explain. Nvidia is causing amd gpus to run slower by way of their optimization. Not the first time or last time this will happen. *cough*physx*cough*
@Crashed1319636 ай бұрын
I call playing CP2077 at 55-60fps on a $500 machine a blessing not a issue .
@antarcticanman6 ай бұрын
CPU used with 6700?
@paul.13376 ай бұрын
The PS5 has 50% more memory bandwidth. It's shared, but it's still going to win a lot.
@ELCrisler6 ай бұрын
It is IMPOSSIBLE to do an apples to apples performance test with console vs PC. Consoles are developed with a set hardware known and thus are MUCH more optimized. In most cases this will look like the console is faster when it actually is not. The only way to get a TRUE comparison is if they where running the exact same code, but obviously that cannot happen.
@allthetimespentgaming29506 ай бұрын
Love these type of videos. I still to this day remember when you guys looked at the 480 and estimated PS4 Pro perfomance!
@Name-tn3md6 ай бұрын
Good old 2016?
@Fender1786 ай бұрын
Yeah what Rich says about the GPU of a Stock PS4 being a being an old Radeon 7850/7870 with more vRAM and no Radeon cards that old would get that kind of performance. That reminds me of the PS3 which has a GPU that is similar to a 7800GTX but no PC games during the PS3 era which games both got releases on both platforms with a 7800 GTX would preform the same as a PS3 due to optimizations that developers did to get stuff to run on the PS3 and the same thing applies to the stock PS4.
@crocodilegamer936 ай бұрын
i have an old Nvidia 7950gt and most ps3 era games after 2010 don't even launch and have weird stutters/graphical glitches.
@Fender1786 ай бұрын
@@crocodilegamer93 Yeah and I saw a video of someone trying to play some PS3 era titles that they got to run but it ran very poorly and that was on a 7800GTX the GPU that the RSX chip is based off of.
@RyanNayr5 ай бұрын
@@crocodilegamer93 gta 4 runs really bad on my 7900gs.
@aceofhearts5736 ай бұрын
Been waiting for this video for a long time. Thanks Rich.
@jacquesdebruin7966 ай бұрын
I love this comparison videos. I think the cpu in ps5 and series x are holding back the gpu at lower res higher fps and that is part of the reason why the series x isn't really faster than the ps5.
@joejoe26586 ай бұрын
so this has nothing to do with the recent news about psvr2 being unlocked for pc? i guess it was filmed before the blog.
@Rolodzeo6 ай бұрын
We need a dedicated episode of Rich buying random things from ebay/facebook marketplace.
@techsamurai116 ай бұрын
This is amazing analysis and shows that the PS5 is actually pretty powerful. Based on many graphical comparisons, I felt the Series X matched the 2060 Super more so than the 2080 Super which has similar tflops but this really debunks that and shows that the PS5 can hang with the 4060 in many cases. All games should be optimized for consoles primarily - it'd be nice to see the same frame rates for the PS5 as the 6700 in Hitman and other games.
@sergeysiminyuk6 ай бұрын
The 6700 is a mid range GPU from 2020, hardly anything powerful even by 2020 standards. Then there is the fact that lots of demanding games render at low resolutions on ps5, some even 720p or lower. Thats just insulting, base ps4 managed at least 900p for its demanding games. Keep in mind, optimization = money. Its money that has to be spent to squeeze blood from a rock. There are general optimizations that have to be done for any platform but platform specific optimizations are a waste of resources. This model is clearly on its way out as developmemt costs these days are stupidly high as is.
@techsamurai116 ай бұрын
@@sergeysiminyuk Some games cost 200-300 million dollars. I'm sure they can afford optimization.
@sermerlin16 ай бұрын
00:34 was hoping he'd say facebook marketplace... 😂
@ragingmonk60806 ай бұрын
Next up Alex will demonstrate how the console uses lower textures, etc.... AMD does not make a APU that match anything above a GTX 1070. If they did every OEM would want it.
@theprfesssor6 ай бұрын
As Rich said this opens is a rabbit hole Now I want to see a PC with the PS4 GPU and see how it does, or even a $399 PC from 2013 and see how it does now 11 years later
@RyanNayr5 ай бұрын
someone already tested it, it run really bad on spiderman, god of war and horizon.
@ArchOfficial6 ай бұрын
Grabbed exactly one of these, a Sapphire Pulse RX6700, for 288~ US in early 2023. I play on 1080p and target 200hz without much regard for graphics, and it can just about do the job, much cheaper than anything else comparable at the time too. It's not the coolest thing in the world even undervolted, but it's almost dead silent without throttling, which is more important for me.
@wausjackbauer1286 ай бұрын
200hz is basically indistinguishable from 120hz or at least 144hz. Better off going lower refresh rate and better graphics but up to you
@ShaneDanger420696 ай бұрын
Well, clearly that doesn’t work for every single game
@ArchOfficial6 ай бұрын
@@wausjackbauer128 Not for me. Probably up to 300~ I'd still tell a difference. It really depends on the game, though. Anything with extremely quickly changing frames won't be as noticeable as something with frames where objects slide across the view. It's mainly for simracing, and you want all the hz you can get. Point being that if it's good for 200hz in most games at Low, it'll be good for 120 in most games at Medium-High.
@MrBrax6 ай бұрын
That's crazy cheap. It's like 600 here
@ArchOfficial6 ай бұрын
@@ShaneDanger42069 Yeah, I get 120-140 (depending on the area) in RDR2. It's still GPU limited and won't hit 200, so you might want a 120 monitor for that one. RE4R on the other hand is pretty much pinned to my 197 limiter. So is AC/ACC. Those were also heavily CPU limited, so a weaker GPU might still do the job; but it's real hard to find a cheaper GPU that's not dogshit.
@xKyleNxCoD6 ай бұрын
Great content as always Ricky.
@binarycode98936 ай бұрын
There's a few things. Higher clock on 6700. Makes a difference when core counts are lower. Aka 36cu's. Also the PS5 is an Apu. It's not using it's CPU or GPU @100% all the time. It depends what requires more power. Whereas the GPU with it's fully fledged units can run @100% all the time. Good watch though:)
@AJarofToeJam5 ай бұрын
There are a lot of comments still highly critical of the RTX 4060 (which is fair), but it seems like over time, the card has shown itself to be a pretty darn good option. With optimizations and progress on Nvidia's end, it now seems to consistently outperform the PS5 where before (in a previous DF video), it was only on par or barely ahead in some titles. And this is the case even given that game developers have been further optimizing their games for the PS5 (console platforms in general) and further realizing the console's performance potential. With its power efficiency, technology, and small form factor options (i.e. single fan, low profile), I'm seriously impressed with the RTX 4060. With it, we can build machines smaller than the current console generation that perform meaningfully better, and that's just for gaming...
@alanamarko6 ай бұрын
so essentially, with the PS5 at £409 right now in the UK, you can get an entire system that runs games comparibly to a £300-ish GPU, without the rest of the PCs components. truly what is the point of owning a PC at the budget level anymore? unless you're using it for anything other than games, but that's neither here nor there when talking about the performance of.. games.
@DavidSmith-bv8mv6 ай бұрын
Yeah, and at that price those usually include a bundle, too. I got mine at £360 ( no bundle ), a whopper of a deal.
@adriannavarro99626 ай бұрын
The point for PC always is: - Cheaper games. - Mods. - You get to choose your settings. - Unmatched retrocompatibility. - Framerate over resolution. ...
@James2t36 ай бұрын
PS fanboys always bring up the price..
@alanamarko6 ай бұрын
@@James2t3yes because you have to buy it?? and money is not infinite, so the price of things matters?? also i could not be further from a PS fanboy. i have every platform and could not care less what corporation makes which plastic box.
@alanamarko6 ай бұрын
@@adriannavarro9962 - Cheaper games; not if you factor in physical discs ALWAYS drop in price and pretty much always keep declining over time, whereas digitally you're waiting on sales or trying to find keys cheaper which is not always possible. -Mods; sure. not something i care about personally but i can see why that's a plus for others. -You get to choose your settings; and? i pretty much always stick things on Medium/High on PC because after that is usually diminishing returns visually. -Unmatched retro compatibility; again, sure. also not something i'm personally that fussed about with my PC but it is a nice-to-have I suppose. but not essential imo. -Framerate over resolution; I would rather a balance, because after a certain threshold with both res and framerate there is only so much difference that is noticeable/worth paying £1000 more for a machine. Plus, PC ports over the last few years have been generally shit, with constant stuttering due to poor asset loading on the engine side or shader comp stutter... so that higher FPS number doesn't really mean anything when on a console you can pretty much always get *at least* a stable 30 with minimal to no stuttering. All just my opinion of course.
@mbsfaridi6 ай бұрын
Always love these sort of videos Richard. I think there’s memory contention issues on the PS5 cause it falls behind only when fps is over 40ish.
@gregciuba21726 ай бұрын
I've just sold my 6700 10gb, it was a fantastic GPU. Never had any issues with Drivers or anything else. Amazing 1080p card.
@radosuaf6 ай бұрын
What did you swap for?
@Rubik436 ай бұрын
Games optimized for PS5 can benefit from the lower latency from the SSD, therefore using less memory in high settings scenario without using CPU or GPU to decompress.
@mryellow69186 ай бұрын
It also won't need to pass data into both main memory and GPU memory.
@faverodefavero6 ай бұрын
Windows 10 and 11 can do the same with DirectStorage, a 980Pro or better should perform much better than the PS5s internal NVME.
@Rubik436 ай бұрын
@@faverodefavero 1) Direct storage achieves similar bandwidths, but I specifically talked about latency which allows for another level of optimization. 2) Direct storage usually uses GPU resources for decompression(PS5 compression algorithm is much better by the way).
@sergeysiminyuk6 ай бұрын
@@Rubik43is there a game that shows this to be a benefit? Games on PC even without DS load about as fast and Ive not seen any ps5 game punch above its weight in memory usage. By this logic PCs have access to even lower latency memory, the sys ram, which is faaaar faster than any SSD. Loading from a large pool of ram will always be faster than accessing anything over PCI-E. This is why well coded multiplats load about as fast on PC even with sata SSDs.
@Rubik436 ай бұрын
@@sergeysiminyuk yes, ratchet and clank, the last of us and spiderman 2, the first two run much better on PS5, here they don't need 100$ of 32GB of RAM and 16GB of VRAM. Of course there is RAM but the issue of latency and CPU/GPU resources spent on decompression remains.