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@@sidvyas8549 man City taking a piss all over their policies yet they still play freely in the cup

Literally happened to me. Nearly got suspended. Absolute joke

​@@easygoingdevilfan1387 What you are talking about, Racism and Man City are 2 totally different issues.

When the referee gives you a yellow card, and the institution upheld it. Then it is safe to say they are institutionalised racist.

Back then you were soo powerless to do anything. It’s not like today you could just post it on social media n get loads of empathy. Henry was just letting it all out from years of abuse❤

to be abused by cowards who have achieved nothing and will only abuse when backed by their friends is something most of don’t have to experience or tolerate

I’m angry alongside him.. it’s been happening way too long and for Del Piero a legend who goes in peoples top 10’s to start defending his country like that instead of calling them out for it makes my blood boil

He is PISSED 😠

@@AdzY95 he was not defending Italy as being perfect, but saying there has been much progress vs 2003. And there has.

Totally agreed! it happened all over the world. Its so sad!

Micah yes but Thierry has always been kind off the serious type I think

Racism is wrong but why not stop the game or punish fans whenever they insult anyone in general. You won’t be able to do that. Might as well ban any insult or mockery of any kind. Good luck with that.

​@@MsCankersore monkey chants are quite different from regural chants

@@MsCankersore Don’t ever start a statement with “Racism is wrong but . . .” There is no “but.” There are no exceptions. There are no excuses. Racism is wrong, period. Always. End of story. And if games have to be stopped, or played without fans, or teams need points deducted, or whatever else-until these horrible people shut tf up-then that’s what needs to happen.

True dat homie

@@MsCankersoresounds about white

Calm your castrated balls, libro. Those black earns more in a week than a casual white working male over 10(!) years. And it cries for racism? And your kind defend that one? I have to endure the racism of coloreds every day for far less money and absolutely no protection.

It's not even "not enough", it's utterly useless and pathetic thinking this will affect these hooligans.

The irony to this is that people who questioned the effectiveness of the virtual signaling (the armbands, the kneeling) on the pitch were called racist - the common folk who use their hard earned money to purchase tickets - and even were deemed unfit to be in the stadium. Some English fans wanted these people who weren't going along with it in the crowd to be doxxed and to be banned. "There's a bunch of cameras in the stadium, so use them to identify the people who aren't with us." I paraphrase.

Absolotly !!!

It even more racism that 90% of France national football team is make up of African. No diversity

Fifa and uefa won't lose money tho if racism continues

Good point

@@jayansaini7093 They're not gonna create many new fans around the world either so that does mean less revenue.

@@paulohaulo3961 Clearly not true, people are still watching and spending money in more direct ways.

@@benj516 Do you know how people outside Spain, Italy or South America think? Serie A is not making anywhere near the revenue the Premier League is, so you are not correct there. People from around the world aren’t going to sweep obvious racism under the rug like certain European/South American countries…

Appreciate your comment mate. You don’t realise how far it goes, to hear somebody who doesn’t look like myself, Thierry, Micah, Romelu etc, say the things you’ve said. It’s a pain that MANY who don’t look like us, cannot understand and will ever experience. So thank you, it really does mean a lot. Not only to myself, but to a whole colour of people

no thanks it was a BS conversation just to attract viewers because now it's fashionable to "address" this issue

@@arianazin5419 so you dont think discussing racism when it happens is useful?

​@@lizajohnson920not in this manner

Why only insulting one skin color is racism?

What about the Chelsea racism? They’re worse than most italian clubs

Its his usual celebration

Racism already won when the referee sent lukaku off tbh

you mean sent to the back of the bus

Sticks and stones brothers, people have a free will don’t forget!

@@AJ-fi2hk maybe not, it might create more noise about it. Italy is an extremely racist country unfortunately.

International football has a different interpretation than Italy. Because Italy ended racism 5 years ago didn't you know?

(Theo Van Mellaert) Is he your one true lord saviour, mate?

@@Charlie-kv8zh no. That is Kevin de bruyne. Lukaku is close second.

Listen, you clown. He didnt got a 2nd yellow because he celebrated with that. He got a 2nd yellow because he celebrated in front of the fans which is a yellow card. Stop trying to spin this as racism. With the game against Sweden he ran to the Belgian supporters and the celebration which is nothing wrong with. Thats the whole thing. You absolute clown.

His celebration is the same celebration Maguire did vs Lithuanian. Stupid celebration, no wonder Juve fans angry at him 😂

He's completely political and black-biased. He never spoke about racial discrimination (or chauvinism to be more precise) against white players in Serie A. Also, he's a fcuking cheater and opportunistic bustard. Remember the game against Ireland?

​@@RG-lc6hc That's not true or fair. It differs drastically from country to country across Europe. Some are far more tolerant than others.

@@RG-lc6hc You need to spend more time in Europe if you think it's actually like that. Some football chants don't represent us. Most people are nothing like that.

@@RG-lc6hc - the UK is a lot lot better than the rest of Europe. I recall the great Cyrille Regis playing for West Brom having bananas thrown at him by his own fans! Think how bad that must have been! I don’t know how it happened, possibly education through generations. But we don’t see racism on the same level as Europe, not even close. Thankfully

@@RG-lc6hc 1st of where is here, cause if here is the US, then yeah nahhh. Not at stadiums but in society....I worked in retail for almost a decade straight in 2 different cities and just about every single day someone, even coworkers, did or said something. I'll argue we're more equal under the law but other than that....

@@RG-lc6hc You're going to see racism anywhere in the world because there will always be dickheads, but here in the UK, the difference in attitudes over the last 20 years is very noticeable. Most average people here don't really care about race. It's just not a big talking point anymore.

Italy is a very racist country. I remember when I was in Rome, I went into a clothing store to possibly buy some clothes and in the store, I decided to purchase many clothes, when I took the clothes to the counter, the lady at the counter call the cops on me because she thought I was a drug dealer, because she couldn't imagine a black man would be able to afford all those expensive clothes.

@@astanco1574you wot, m8?

@@astanco1574 what has that got to do with anything?

It crossed the line

It was never about real racism, its about upholding a nice image so they can attract sponsors and virtue signal to others how good and righteous they are, but when push comes to shove, they back off and chicken out, its all a joke: Armbands, advertisements, whatever, its all show.

Same. Feels.

And the fact that he has to hold it in makes it worse.

Definitely. And then to be sat next to someone with the "look how far we've come" attitude must be exhausting. Let's just stop trying to end racism, shall we? We're much better off than we were 10 years ago (which turned to comparing now to 15 years ago, which turned to 20 years ago). Always moving the goalposts for goodness and fairness, it really is exhausting. Catch one of these fans saying "we won one trophy 15/20 years ago, I think we're doing really well".

@@C33Fernandezexactly, they act as if black people should be grateful they’re “less racist” when they shouldn’t be racist at ALL. The most talented players being discriminated and verbally abused at work. Disgusting. They need to look inside themselves, and realise there is something wrong with them and decide to change it immediately. There should also be harsh punishments in place for racist fans

@Charles Fernandez I think Del Piero just meant that some of the things they've done have helped a little, but not nearly enough. He wasn't saying "look how far we've come", he was saying "we need to do more."

He did but he is struggling with english and you don't even try to understand what he was trying to say. Thierry and Del Piero are friends btw.

@@francisdrake7060 del piero gives me weird vibes, Henry definitely did not look friendly towards Del Pierro

Spot on del boy let him self down

I felt a little bit bad for Del Piero, because just since he didn't show the same level of anger or passion, he came out as the "opposing" party. The way I interpreted what he was trying to say was that the situation is improving, but just way too slowly. He wants everyone to come together; players, fans, teams, referees and federations, to find new ways to improve the situation faster. Most of us want to end racism in football (and in general..), but armbands, kneeling and condemning is not enough. We have to figure out new concrete measures that actually works.

​@@francisdrake7060 "racism is bad...CAN YOU BELIEVE THEY LET AN ITALIAN SPEAK?!"

Games without fans. You know what that ultimately means right?

They would never do it because they would lose too much money... and unfortunately that's all that matters to them

Lukakus 30 million salary couldn't be paid without the paying fans, so that will never happen

Hell would freeze over before FIFA, UEFA and organizations like that decide to cut their money short over racism or something like that.

The issue with things like deduction of points is other fans get punished for the actions of a minority. Also, there could be situations where fans of opposing teams try to get points deducted from another team with racist acts.

Hope you don’t think it means it doesn’t exist in England though. Yes they are worse but don’t think its ok “we aren’t as bad as them” it still happens here in the UK

racism in europe is THE ISSUE, no one country is better than another in terms of being less racist, look at the english fans when euro 2021 final was lost, look at spain with vinicius, look at italy with this recent lukaku incident, its actually hilarious how you lot are just pointing the finger saying oh no at least we not so so, shame. i agree w thierry if this is going to continue might as well take off the no to racism uefa logo,

@Football-Pundit If things are to change than the players on those teams - and I mean not just the insulted players - need to say "We don't play". That hurts the pocket books and money talks. You can't complain yet to dress up every weekend for the next game. Force the clubs to radically remove the racists from the stands.

Racism is also in black enclaves across Europe.

@@Ninja-gt3zi Nah it’s not a big deal.

R9 played basketball?

@@hari23 well from 2000 to 2006 Henry posted close to 60 g/a for four years the other two was Ronaldinho and Raul, and those years were R9 pump years, this is not to discredit R9, but Henry was it for me, (for me).

​@@edokachukwuanugo2223okay Nigerian

​@edokachukwuanugo2223 R9 had 2 "career ending" long term injuries between 2000-2006

@@Cacao613 not Henry’s fault now is it?

Henry also said it's not better than 15 years ago, which is not very real. I remember cases of heavy racism from 10/15 years ago not even being mentioned on TV the same night or the day after, now every time it happens it gains national attention and the team's fans that displayed racism receive immediate repercussion. Is it enough? Not yet, but let's not act like everybody is not giving a shit. You could hear from the stands "Eto'o, Eto'o, Eto'o, Eto'o, they have seen him, selling roses, selling roses in the *metro" (*metro is the italian word for subway) and nobody gave a fuck back then, today it would be a national case, so you can't say it's still the same.

@@Carsa-is6vb if we’re looking to improve the situation then instead of nitpicking Thierry Henry’s words, we need to understand that the players shouldn’t be yellow carded for reacting to abuse🤷‍♂️

​@@naveendennisYep! You can actually see Henry's accepted racism will never go away. He's even angry they are talking about it because we all know it won't actually change anything. Every time it happens, the victims are the ones asked to talk about; and then people nitpick their words and use that to change the narrative.

@@Carsa-is6vbare you a professional footballer or a person of colour? I’m just curious about your credentials to judge the state of racism in football today.

@@Carsa-is6vb metro is also an English word. The word Subway is only used by the Americans.

Painful. It is shame we are still in this situation in 21 century😭😭

😓

May God bless you and family. They are scared cause we are coming and we have been here so they try and discourage us but we love the game and we will not stop in the middle we will finish. Same experience but we will talk about it on there documentaries let's go Jah bless

Oh bro people can't even leave 7 years old its so sad man

All the higher ups care about is money, they pay lip service to racism with the odd initiatives, but really to them it's just background chatter they have to accasionally deal with. There's no financial benefit in stopping racism in football, hence no will to really deal with it, unlike the proposed Super League!

Lol the people higher up love this shit, they want us all to be talking about race all the time because then we argue amongst ourselves instead of realising it's a class war, us against them

where are you from?

@@arianazin5419 does it really matter??

Excellent comment.

The pictures and slogans are just a distraction to make you think they're actually doing something. If you breach financial rules, you're fined or have points deducted. Fans continue to do this because they know that there will be no significant punishment.

katie too

She's a referee bro, they are never held accountable

Seemed like she was kinda poo poo’n the issue and making it like the player provoked it for celebrating. Bantering and jeering from fans is 1 thing but racist comments?….

There’s absolutely no way I’d ever be able to focus and maintain composure at work while trying to deal with this. It’s unbelievable. It’s got to be crippling when the crowd get on you for having a stinker of a game, but when it is just personal - just who you are - Henry and Richards seem like they are still carrying that shit around with them years later. They performed to such a high level professionally and had to deal with this shit. I just can’t get my head around how tough it’s got to be. Just full respect. And I wish people could stop being shots to each other.

​@Daniel Hoskins it's horrible, being racially abused especially in a professional setting... u honestly don't even feel like a human being anymore.... your competency doesn't matter your skill doesn't matter your intellectual doesn't matter how long u've worked there doesn't matter u have no value you're just that thing they call u, that's all u are to them. man it makes u angry so angry on a gut level u just wanna walk off or react in defiance. for the ref and organisation to ban and uphold lukaku for what was an extremely minor and controlled act of defiance and a celebration he ALWAYS does is literally insult to injury. it tells u the organisation doesn't care at an institutional level. how demoralising to work in that environment I remember decades ago, as a young boy, watching one of the greatest players ever Samuel Eto walk off a field almost in tears mid game saying "no mass" (no more) because of crowd racism. it made me upset but I thought by the time I'm older it'll change so there's hope... yet here we are and nothings changed how sad

Yeah guys. There's a limit to how much a human being can take. Yes they get paid millions, get adored by millions but equally get hatred from millions, constantly. There's only so much a human being can take. If nothing is done over time, I fully expect one of these players to explode. We've seen players go wild towards fans before, Cantona, Xhaka, etc. But you've seen Ronaldinho, Etoo, Balloteli, Evra, Vinicius, Saka, Rashford, Lukaku etc have to take it and suck it up because the response from society would be very different towards a black player expressing anger the same way. These guys are mentally stronger than most human beings.

The truth is as a black person - you learn to live with it, not just in football but in life. Dave the rapper has a line in his song black…..’loud in our laughter, silent in our suffering’ about sums it up perfectly.

Yeah i can't imagine getting paid 30mil for kicking a ball, what a bad life Lukaku has i feel so bad for him buuhuu😭😭

Micah is just there going along , nothing to addd 😢

@@wintah188 did you really expect him to have something to say. I most certainly didn't.

​@@wintah188 because Henry said it all.

Freedom of speech is fundamental to a democracy You have to realise the same way Afrcans do want Europeans in their country is the same that Europeans don't want Africans or anyone else having anything other than a minority status in their country.Its human nature to stick to groups,be it culture or race

@@talkshitko9234 sticking to your groups doesn't excuse racially abusing others. That was a pointless comment. Seems you're tryna excuse racial abuse

They won't because it doesn't affect them. The only way you make Caucasians feel the impact of racism is to put economic sanctions in place i.e. points deduction, ending of the game, 5 game ban of the entire Stadium, league changing certain legislation that is pro-racist victims so that you send a robust message. Racism will never end but you can punch the racists where it hurts : Their pockets

Not all of them care enough. That’s the problem unfortunately..

honestly I think a bunch of high profile black player shud walk out of the league. seriously mutually terminate contract or tare it up or pay it off or whatever. its gonna take something drastic like that

Too easy for organised criminal corruption if they do that, unfortunately, and makes the fixture list extremely problematic to resolve with so many rescheduled games. Losing 2-0 and your team's having a stinker? No problem, just organise a hail of abuse and get the match abandoned

Walking out isn't gonna stop a racist from being a racist. You can't change what is in that person's heart. Walking out will only cause a bigger issue, and will force the federation to find a proper solution, but the truth is that there is no solution. What r u gonna do? There will always ALWAYS be racist ppl in the stands. Many players have walked out, protested, striked, done everything, it is still happening and will continue to happen.

@@siddiq106in it their heart it should stay. The fact they feel they can shout something surrounded by hundreds of people means there is not enough shame in the world for these individuals

He was pretty crap in m opinion. And very ITALIAN on the subject.

​@TCS L "very italian" how ignorant of you to put all Italians in a box where you assume when an Italian speaks on racism you think they defend it. Like every country they are racist and their are not

@@vincenzoriccio5036 His words spoke for themselves. I actually couldn't believe what he was saying. Neither could Henry.

@@tcsl7764 so you think del piero is for racism?

@@vincenzoriccio5036 I'm not going to go as far as saying that..but I will say that his apparent attitude is part of the reason there is a lot of blatant racism in Italian football. That attitude is why the Italian FA upheld the yellow card. That attitude is why TEAMATES of abused black players have actually criticised and or not supported their own abused players etc.

It is a big issue

Italians are racists by default.

What is "real change"? Remove "racism". What is racism? Is there racism in Africa or China or Japan?

@@DLites151 yes

That's Del Piero?! Didn't recognise him, thought it was some journalist.

I respect del piero for giving his valid opinion it must have been hard for him to make his points in a language hes not comfortable speaking in. He probably would have been more clear if he wasnt under the huge amount of pressure of the live broadcast and the language barrier.

​@Alberto Zito OH please, it's not too hard to say " that is bad" in English.

Ser Jamie Carragher was mighty quiet. Don't like it, even though I have massive respect for the man.

@@basileejero3768 As a white man, if I'm in a melanated room like that where folks are talking about racism, it's more important for me to listen than to talk. Perhaps Jamie understands this, too.

Alex is right. It’s still sad that this is happening, but it shouldn’t mean we can’t take a look at the progress to see that we’re at least moving forward. We learn from it and what works and emphasize that to move it faster.

​@@hazmoses1324 ain't no progress lmao, there will never be progress come on. Racism is just in people's DNA tbf

I wanted del Piero to yell out suck on that KNEEGROW and Chuck a runner 😂

but Piero was right, its just with social media were more exposed, but to say racism isn't less apparent in football then it was before just isn't right

@@hazmoses1324 no point in saying it when people are clearly emotionally riled up. If im pissed and you say well racism has gotten better, im just gunna get more angry cause when you are in that emotional state you would take it as this person is trying to down play it. Yes racism doesnt happen week in week out simply in football because people are shamed for it now but i bet when you go on video games like call of duty every single chat lobby has people shouting racist remarks simply because they think its funny and that its an easy insult to get under someones skin. The UK has a lot of closet racists that are to scared to shout there abuse but i understand what you are saying completely and i agree i would rather be living right now then 20 plus years ago i just wouldnt of said that when that person’s probably re-living their trauma.

Wish more white people stand against it and report it when they see it.

Excellent comment.

Racism? Since when Europe is in Africa lmao 😂😂

@@Saiputera wtf?

@@Saiputera How many times are you going to repeat your ignorant comment?

After he and Liverpool supported suarez it really is smart for him to shut up

The question was literally for Richards and Henry. 2 black men that have played in Italy. Don’t know if u heard that part

@@mr__OK they were ADDRESSED FIRST, but it was an OPEN PANEL where everyone was FREE TO SPEAK. Where did Kate say this question is "only" for TH & Micah? Before the show they know what will be talked about, it's likely Jamie told Kate he doesn't want to speak on this. Which's why no question was specifically directed at him. 🤡 🤡. Think before you speak

@@vkdeen7570 He was probably thinking about it the whole time. That disgusted me as United fan. I know we're bitter rivals but that was a extreme low from Liverpool.

Rubbish. It's for those who the racists are amongst to speak out, challenge the racists and make the change. Abdo was wrong to single out Henry and Richards. Why should the victims be questioned>

italians and spanish people are the most racist people in football next to those yugoslavian countries

Why is it society? Do people get racially abused in the street? The ref is just doing his job get over it

I guarantee the ref is racist as well. No person who wasn't would give a card to the person recieving the abuse.

but when society attends football, it becomes football's problem

@@owenrodgers8020 yep but isn't that the way it should be?

I was at that game. It sucks because as Red Bull supporters, we had no idea what happened and why the delay of game. As soon as word started going around that San Jose didn't want to continue because our new DP striker said a racial slur, we started yelling "Get him out of here!" It's too bad our coach didn't think of that at the time.

@@RG-lc6hc 😂😂😂 in the states?

@@prod.kuwanzee the soccer culture does.

Up until November 18, 2009 i respected him as well.

​@@apolicum I'm impressed you remember the date.

Del Piero doesn't care

😂

He knows its a delicate subject and is aware of Liverpool's mishandling of the Suarez abuse of Evra. So, he did not want to put his foot in it

@@mediacenterman8583 So he is not allowed free speech and to speak his mind for fear of retribution. Sounds communis to me. Just like del piero had to tip toe around what he actually believed, and even then people are ripping into him

And be a communist? Will there be any change done in asia and africa as well?

EVERYONE is open to banter ffs get a grip!

But it’s mostly him that gets the stick……….

But it’s mostly him that gets the stick……….

​@@thatsthejobbb8587 Being a racist ain't banter

@@Agee1 Is to me.

Why they are rooting black people to fail ?

Correct. But Del Piero is talking about is a solution like F1

​@Football-Pundit bring him over to England, my club will take him and he'll become a hero. our fans would smash anyone in the crowd racially abusing one of our own players. (maybe even the opposition player)

@Football-Pundit England fans compromise of a lot of lower league fans particularly div2 and div3 where there are definitely more issues with discrimination. there's also an drink problem with England fans which is why in Qatar when it was banned England has zero incidents or arrests for the 1st time in 3 decades those are not the same fans as the prem fans which is why the response they got when they came back was overwhelmingly different. when your comparing the top league the prem isn't just slightly better it's significantly better, all players report this. it's far too frequent an occurance in Italy and spains top leagues to just ignore. the fact that some other places have some issues also is not an excuse. its literally every week in Italy to all the highest profile non white players. sort it the f out

@Football-Pundit ur conflating two separate things. England's national team fans have a very specific dynamic with alcohol and compromise more of lower division fans.. even then it has improved a lot compared to the hooligan days. that's not the same as the fans of the top division... nothing to do with the money. most fans are working class. it's to do with the culture the prem has built and how hard its worked to cut that nonsense out. it does happen but its not often and other fans in the stadium don't tolerate it. Italy and spains top leagues have accepted it too long. the lukaku cases PROVES its institutional. there no way that ban would be upheld in the prem or accepted it just wouldn't happen. there severe cultural and institutional problems and they need to addressed. its embarrassing to have it happen week in week out. I agree punishments need to be harder and taken more seriously. life long bans, fines, season tickets stripped ban every fab in an entire stand if u have to. fire all the racist cronies at the top as well. it's time to move forward atleast get on par with other top divisions

@PZL17 Southern Europe is poor and dependent on the German tax revenue to keep them going. Let's not bs. The EU without Germany is nothing.

@@2107Slash I'm in no way defending the Italian fans, but let's not forget they are having issues with illegal immigrants at the moment, so perhaps their frustration is bring expressed at football matches?

How would that even work? 😅 stop the game and review a crowd’s reaction when a player complains? How would they fix the situation, stop the game until the stands are cleared? It’s a difficult decision to make.. the easiest thing to do is to not card players who react to crowd chants

Because he is white 🙄

Exactly, the UK is so much better than Italy

Facts

Cut the crap the UK has always been inherently racist. When John Terry made the racist comment against his English colleague who is black he wasn't banned. No European country can claimed to have done well against the fight of racism when their racism is largely systematic

That has nothing to do with why the Premier League is popular. It's because of the global appeal the league has through the English language. But you are right, in that Italy has not done enough to combat racism in football - Especially because it is usually the same fans who do this stuff every time...

When England lost the final, Rashford, Sancho, Saka were abused by their own country so racism is everywhere regardless of what authorities can do

notice this, they always to attack italian and especially spanish league, this back to americans worship of british, fact anglo saxon has a utter hate to towards spain

@@kem1233 A frenchman and Brit talking about a Belgian man getting abused in Italy. And you make this about Spain? What?

@@AndorranStairway yepp.. we all know anti spanish sentiment in british media

@Football-Pundit yea i’m just saying they haven’t experienced it but they have seen it many times, especially in their day of playing it was a lot worse

If he comments a bunch of people will talk about how they are not qualified to talk about it. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

@@ZuvioxArts yea the original commenter is a clown. They are literally having the most defined people on the subject to speak on it. And this idiot is shitting on silence as damning

@@ZuvioxArts There is so much they can say on the topic. All they can do is support their brothers which is what anyone should do. You cannot control the fans unless they actually start throwing things or physically harming the players.

As a white person, in a foreign country, I have and still am experiencing racism and discrimination. Racism isn’t just about the colour of your skin. Racism is also being discriminated about your background, your nationality, your accent and knowing you might not be offered the same opportunities of someone who’s born there. Sometimes racism about skin colour is just louder, but I guarantee you every form of racism is just as hurtful.

Honestly, enough is enough.

My first reaction was "What a stupid suggestion", but on second thoughts, you may have found the quickest way to solve the problem 👌