Disney is a strong, independent company that needs no audience.

Disney squandered our love of movies because they decided to use their films as a platform to preach to the audience as opposed to entertaining them.

They used She-Hulk to blatantly say,”They don’t need,want,or like male customers”. It’s been their message for a while now,but that’s when they just got real with how they feel. Cool. I’ll keep my “Toxic” money in my pocket,and watch them sink. Let the cat loving,Wine moms,watch this shit.🤷🏾‍♂️

Disney doesn't know why Marvel has died, Star Wars has died, Indiana Jones died, Willow died, Pixar died, Disney Animation died. Coincidences, surely.(Bluey doing fine, One Piece fine, Barbi fine, Super Mario fine, etc...)

No way in hell will I ever watch another Disney production.

Disney and Marvel will respond in the same way they've been responding for the last however long it's been. By calling fans racist, sexist and misogynist. It's not our responsibility to see their crap. It's their responsibility to give us something we want to see.

That last Thor movie was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I dropped Disney+ and stopped watching all Marvel movies for me. I won't be back until they do a hard reboot...

Disney/Marvel is following the Joker's philosophy from The Dark Knight, "It's not about the money, it's about the message."

I'd like them to answer this: "Why didn't the barbie audience give you $1m?" They will NEVER see the truth, current Hollywood are fanatics that gave us: Luke Skywalker: humiliated, replaced with a girl Thor: humilated, replaced with a girl Hulk: humiliated, replaced with a girl John Connor (Terminator): child-murdered, replaced with a girl Mad Max: made useless sidekick of a girl Boba Fett: made useless sidekick of a girl The Witcher: made useless sidekick of a girl James Bond: convicted of masculinity and executed Black Panther: killed off, replaced with a girl Iron Man: killed off, replaced with a girl Peter Pan: humiliated, replaced with a girl Indiana Jones: humiliated, replaced with a girl Superman (the Flash): child-murdered, replaced with a girl Nick Fury: humiliated, replaced with a girl etc etc, everybody to frickin' Lightning McQueen Bring on the competitors.

One thing I like about shite movies are all fake glowing reviews and how quickly the twitter shills attack ppl. It's so cliché. I saw a bingo card online the other day with all the excuses ppl give to defend this crap.

Disney isn't ignorant or oblivious, they've made the calculations and deemed that pressing the woke message is worth the drop in ticket sales. Obviously they would rather have woke message + high box office, but if they had to choose one, they'd go with the former.

The Marvels was first advertised for November 11th 2022. It was supposed to come out before Ant-Man 3 and Guardians 3.

If you have even a small family, going to see a movie at matinee prices still costs more than a month of any of the streaming services. At that price, I have to want to see the movie, want to support the companies involved, and want the social experience of seeing the movie among other people. Disney has been doing an awesome job of blowing all three, and keeping people like me at home watching older movies and television shows for free. And occasionally, watching movies from streaming services that- (gasp!) actually seemed to want *me* to watch them.

General consensus is that Marvel peaked with End Game,I am actually of the opinion that it peaked with Infinity War. Even then,the rot had already set in, Black Panther had signalled the direction as to where things were headed. I remember when Martin Scorsese came out with his theme park analogy and the MS media was all over him like a rash.He had articulated perfectly what lot of us had already thinking for a few years . Just a few months after ,I watched Chris Gore on Film Courage expanding on this to include the Star Wars/Star Trek brands and the PC/ESG phenomena, saying this would not just be isolated to these franchises but was already an industry wide pandemic. This is when I started hoarding up on physical Blu-Rays and DVDs of older films because cinema as I knew it ,was dying... 4 years later , here we are..I have only been to the cinema for 3 movies this year M:I Dead Reckoning Part 1 Oppenheimer(obviously) The Creator.. The only other movie I regret not watching on the big screen was Equalizer 3 ( have it on 4K though) ... apart from a few more , the rest of the trash, I am just like "whatever mate" .

FNAF, huge hit as it was directed at fans. The Marvels, flop as it was directed at a group that turns out was not the majority after all.

They couldn’t even get Charlie’s Angels on Earth right.

They aren´t oblivious to it. They are just desperate to make up some excuses and to come with some tactics which would brainwash people into their cult.

With so many companies going woke, and despite the negative affect it has on their profits, them doubling down, doesn't it make you want to track where the drive for this is coming from? Why DEI is being pushed so hard, and what leverage is being used?

It is very hard for Marvel execs to diagnose the problem when the problem is they don't have a clue what they're doing, and the solution is fire them immediately and replace them with someone who does. We often talk about these studios just making a different choice, just make a different creative choice, but that's really like saying, the shooting guard for the LA Lakers needs to start choosing for all his three pointers to go in the net. It's more than a choice, it's talent and the ability to do the job.

FWIW, I noticed that Disney has hired marketers to skew the reviews. The 'verified' have given it an unrealistic grade. The shills who'll write positive reviews for $50 have given it a positive grade. The reviewers who do it for a living have crapped all over it.

The most annoying thing that Disney abandoned was Mordo stealing magic from people at the final post credits scene in the first "Doctor Strange" from 2016.

'Skimpier uniforms".......I AGREE!! Bring female sexy back!

Nick Fury until end game was the best example of a race swapped character that I ever saw. Everyone loved Nick Fury.

These are the things that need to happen if they want to even have a chance of winning back the money of people like me: 1. Fire a large amount of the people working at Disney including the people in charge. 2. Remove the woke BS 3. Hire competent old school passionate comic book people. 4. Admit what you did and apologize to the fanbase and mean it. If any one of these demands are not met, then you can get F'd.

I am convinced they are money laundering through these ridiculous budgets

5:58 Like a gigantic Celestial frozen in the middle of the planet, sticking up put of the ocean....

Does anyone besides me remember when Kevin rose to power in marvel? He said "the only things I want to do are make the infinity saga and put out a captain marvel movie." Nowhere in that quote did he say they'd be good.

Hate is not the worst, it is indifference. With hate people at least CARE! With Indifference they don't care anymore.

Its easier to say: "Superhero fatigue" than ask: "What if our movies actually suck?"

I've checked out because the movies explicitly aren't made for me.

Say what you want but the phrase "BLACK GIRL POWER!" has become a blockbuster and will always be everyone's favorite meme material 😂😂

The problem Disney has right now is this: The Marvels might be a good movie. I don't know, I haven't seen it. I dropped Marvel at the last episode of She Hulk. I honestly believe She Hulk to be a worse show than Velma even before the final episode, but that last episode was for me, the breaking point. That last episode told me that there was no pride in what the MCU had accomplished, nor any respect for the good work that had gone into the movies prior to it. It told me that this was the attitude Disney was going to take to everything going forward. The fundamental problem with Disney that makes Disney suck, is that nobody at Disney has any basic self-respect. They have self-regard to a narcissistic degree, but no genuine self-respect. Having self-respect means that when you do something, you do it to a standard that you can be proud of. Self-regard, is the smug assurance that you can produce crap and get paid for it anyway. From what I've seen, the MCU has not improved on this score. It has to put down the old to try and prop up the new, because the old was made by people who had self-respect, and the new is made by people who have self-regard. I would need some serious good word of mouth to want to see The Marvels, or any Marvel product at this point. They have produced so much stuff with the idea that they can shovel crap at us and just get paid for it, that I don't think it matters if they change course and make good movies. It isn't that the trust isn't there anymore, it is that it has morphed to a warped trust that what they produce will be bad.

Awesome conversation!

From the earlier clip today - Feige can do an AWESOME film with all the loose ends and end credit nonsense from the rest of Phase 4 and 5. Avengers : The Leftovers

We already know how they will respond. Make a woman centric movie with a male action fantasy and you get the wrong demographic. Barbie showed that make a movie for the target demographic and you get good box office. They will blame men for not showing up for this.

I can’t imagine teen & pre-teen girls want to watch women on the screen. They’d rather look at hot guys. Where are the teen idols of the past? Of course, the definition of hot guy has decidedly changed🥺😭 Ezra

The propaganda doesn’t work if no one is watching!!! Hit ‘em where it hurts. Stop watching!!!!

DISNEY will say The MARVELS reached its TARGET audience....

Charlie's angels in space sounds like a hit if I've ever heard one. Gotta start lucy Liu tho

Charlie's angels in space sounds awesome

My wife loves watching reality shows like 90 day fiance, Real Housewives series and when you see these MCU movies where the women all get along, you know someone is not dealing in reality. The reason why there are no male reality shows is because guys get along too much and it would be boring.

What Disney/Marvel should do is hire writers and directors who are true fans of the genre, then after that they just need to get out of their way.

Marvel hasn't turned out anything worth watching in the last few years, as of now I have no desire to watch anything they turn out. Marvel just doesn't have it in them to turn out a good product. The writers, directors, producers and a lot of the actors don't respect the audience or fans any more. In a nut shell they just suck!

'charlies angels in space' (old style charlies angels!); awesome.

"It's not even race-swapping and gender-swapping. There are ways to do that and do it right." Absolutely goddamned right! Example: _Elementary,_ the Jonny Lee Miller/Lucy Liu update/reboot of Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories. Lucy Liu as Dr. _Joan_ Watson? That's a trade-in for a character to go from 0 to 2 "marginalized victim" classes right there! (From white, cis-gendered, straight male to Asian female.) But it didn't come across like that. Why? Because Dr. _Joan_ Watson wasn't always harping on about what a poor downtrodden victim of the white, cis, straight, male, misogynistic patriarchy she was all the time. She was an interesting character all her own, with strengths and weaknesses, wisdom and foolishness, discernment and obliviousness. She wasn't a sock-puppet mouthpiece self-insert for any particular political/philosophical point of view.

Video idea? Play trailers from the 90s and compare them to 2023. Which ones show Story and which ones show just Stuff?

Making any rough plans for linking these marvel movies together and building stories and characters arches doesn't seem to be brain surgery

They started doing this AS SOON as Stan Lee passed away

Wow, this film had so many headwinds it never really had a chance. 1st. We can’t forget the pandemic and a lot of the content has been sexless and unable to connect to the human experience from a group creatives that basically shared Baden’s basement. 2nd. We had the Me Too movement, at least when this project was given the green light and after the Amber Heard trial and lack of sexy in 99% of films released lately, it’s getting old. 3rd. We had the rise of DEI, BLM and queer movement brought by the George Floyd death so we have a lot of people hired as writers, directors and talent for their check mark versus the ability to produce a viable profitable movie. 4th, the event mindset post-pandemic, basically people are only going to movies that are event driven like Barbie, Super Mario, Taylor Swift and consuming the rest on streaming. Personally, I think the brand of Feige, Igor and Kennedy is so tarnished and toxic … people are going to pass until Igor dynasty comes to an end.

Identity politics, intersectional feminism & infantile writing. Alan is wrong, wrong, wrong; people all over the world are sick to their back teeth of race and genderswapping. It's incredibly disrespectful to everyone. Write new characters, stop appropriating and changing existing ones.

8:07 It reminds me of how the military offers their equipment for action movies that portray them in a positive light, like with Michael Bay's Transformers films or the Independence sequel that was used for military recruitment.

Were is the money going ? Why is nobody willing to say it may be corruption ?

I'm surprised there is anytime to focus on and evaluate 'The Marvels' movie, when everyone is still obsessed with discussing, reviewing, analyzing and dissecting 'Avatar 2', how it's societal significance and long-term legacy will permanently impact the entertainment industry and the anticipation surrounding future installments to this movie franchise.

It’s sad just how bad this has gotten. The fact this made it to theaters is shocking

I was a day one subscriber to Disney+ but they burned every bridge they had with me. I cancelled my subscription and won’t ever subscribe again. Good job Disney!

You know if Disney came out and said “ hey everyone , we are sorry we ruined Marvel , Star Wars , and Pixar . But, we are making DRASTIC changes today” . If they did that I would be back on board . If they had humility and changed , I’d be willing to let the past be the past .

I checked out of Marvel after episode 1 of Moon Knight and episode 1 of Ms Marvel. Both of those episodes bored me to tears and I decided to not waste any more of my life being bored by TV. No plans to return before the Grim Reaper comes calling.

The fallout is NO ONE will go to Marvel movies. Anyone who is left who are fans will finally check out.

Comic book movies just fell into the same pitfalls as comic themselves did. By a combination of laziness, exploitation, and a fixation of crazy sci-fi concepts like the multiverse, comics increasingly distanced themselves from the children and the "normies" (AKA the ones that allowed them to become mainstream and successful), to increasingly cater to weird people and sci-fi ultra nerds. Normies like my dad enjoyed the first marvel movies : even if the guys had superpowers, their missions and goals were still relatable to a degree. Now, Marvel characters are no longer having human-relatable drama and problems : they are having God-relatable drama and problems. Always handling things at a multi-cosmic level that is simply impossible to get into for most people on this planet. ...To put it shortly : comics increasingly became about fetishes. Comics having much lower production costs, they could survive for pretty long despite this progressive loss of the mainstream audience. Marvel movies, with their crazy budgets, certainly could not. To sum it up, you can't sell billions of products if your audience is weirdos on Twitter. As vocal of those people are, they aren't enough people to actually carry 200M$ projects financially.

Just announced that only marvel movie next yr is deadpool. They have really pushed it all way back. Xmen and f4 movies are yrs away.. They dont know what to do.

They're not oblivious, they need the ESG credit lines.

I’m ready for the KZfaq movie review class to move on from discussing everything Disney/Marvel/DC. It has consumed years of pontificating and the topic is beyond exhausted.

One reason it cost so much is they had to make the Chinese version, Captain Marvel 2, at the same time, where Carol has a husband.

The fallout is MCU is only releasing 1!!! Film next year.. that’s how bad they knew this movie would do!.

The Marvels budget: $274.8 Million (gross), and $219.6 million. The Marvels Box Office: $21.6 million This movie absolutely tanked.

Disney doesn’t know how to make movies for guys that guys want to see.

They are not oblivious, they just don't care. Their Disney board of director's strategy is propaganda over profit.

They have done Charlies Angeles in Space it is called Barbarella with Jane Fonda.

Can't believe we're in an age where just about every single comic book character has some kind of movie, show or cartoon series or combination there of and...they all suck.

First we had Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel 2 is The Marvels. Will Captain Marvel 3 be The Marvelers? The Marvelests?

"It wasn't made for you." Well, then don't be surprised that I don't go see it and your box office tanks.

Marvel Studio's problem is that everything has to be connected. Too much content.

One year in prison, especially if he doesn’t get in trouble and only serves like 50-70% of his sentence, is short enough to be worked around.

Politics aside, how does twerking with She-Hulk become something other than patently stupid??

I got free tickets so seeing it today, almost just going for comedy value and ridicule, I am really going for the icecream and popcorn :D

Charlie's Angels in space does actually sound pretty good.

I'm loving the GORE!!!!

That's the problem with going all-in on a political stance over an artistic one. If they just suddenly flip-flop back to what people want, Disney will be essentially admitting that their political stance was all nonsense to begin with... And that could look WAY worse in the long run.

It's a combo of the time and money that's killing things. Some films now require a damn PowerPoint presentation before to fill the audience in on how everything connects!?

When carol danvers was Ms Marvel in the comics she was like the world's most powerful super model and it was great it was when she was still a good character

The biggest problem is that Disney (and Hollywood) exist in a closed echo chamber that doesn't match up with the mainstream consciousness. I would not be surprised if all these execs directors and actors walk around really confused because everyone they come in contact with love these types of movies....

Where did they get the money? From people like us who watched their films all our lives and gladly gave them our money for great films. Warner Streaming was basically funded by sales of Casablanca dvds, so to speak.

The minute Chris said "Charlie's Angels in Space" it blew my mind. Female cosmic superheroes who are capable, strong, and attractive. POW! Instead MCU females all have the attitude of "Don't you dare find me attractive" - OK, I won't. Money stays in my wallet.

I know he was being facetious about the 'skimpier outfits' solution, but it's actually smart marketing. It's almost as if sex sells or something... And piggy-backing off that, I would absolutely watch 'Charlie's Angel's In Space.' What a pitch! "They are all trying to "out-nice each other" is such an amazing point, that really needs an even deeper dive. I don't think its sexist to call it a girl thing, because it is- at least when left to make their own stuff creatively. It is very much a response to the common complaint that women are always trying to tear each other down. But as stated, "Conflict is interesting." Great discussion

Disney... it's not us... its you.

I spend more time watching KZfaq than movies nowadays and I don't think I'm alone.

I enjoyed it

Great vid... totally agree, the issue isnt implementing diversity, its forced implepenting it above all else. Look at Miles Morales in spiderverse films... or the Gen- V show...that intelligently and respectfully handles a diverse cast...but never at the expense of the story. I have read that new MCU book & whilst its clearly a Kevin puff piece, it actually inadvertantly shows what went wrong at Marvel...going into phase 3 they took away all the checks and balances of the New York comittee and installed as number two of Marvel a lady who clearly even before even hired was about the feminist agenda above actual entertainment. Combine that with a writers apprenticeship, pulling kids of zero experience, reading the comics for the first time and pulling and choosing little known marvel characters... often as a conduit to tell the story they wanted to tell, not adapting the comic stories... there was some successes from that period such as Guardian of the Galaxy... but mostly were naff choices, lowering the quality still further of Marvel. I think they need to take a 5 to 7 year break...concentrate on the writing designed for fun and entertainment first and script out all the films above all else and bring back the good directors of Marvels old...the faverou, josses, russo, branaghs to reboot the marvel universe working in stories in the now wider character roster and mixing in x-men, spiderman, fantastic 4 into the mix this time (bypassing any origin stories).

personally I'm very happy, every time woke-disney doesn't make money is a good day. keep doing the panderverse woke-disney following that dead-end road to the last.

Hey guys! Scrapbooking (exposed by Doomcock), and the padding for all the production staff (a la the Twitter head office expose) are probably two compelling reasons for the ballooning budgets. Cheers!

Chris you NEED to out the reviewer that flipped his opinion that you heard on your way out. You have to man.

I've been checked out since Iron Man 2. I felt over saturated by then with super heros.

So many shill critics and Facebook fan pages defending this shitty show now. I commented on one of them saying i didn't like the movie, then instantly got cancelled and branded as a mysoginist 🤣

Having rogue kin lice with a boy but not ever being able to touch him would be a good premise for an interesting story It’s right there. Will Disney see it? Of course not.

Plus Loki came from the Frost Giant Realm, not Asgard.

Remember when bums on seats was a thing

MARVELS is #1 movie in the nation and is TANKING, this is a sign of bigger issues facing the entire industry

Disney doesn't know how to deal with fallout. ❤

Even Tom Cruise isn't worth $50 million a movie.

Canceled my D+ few months ago and i am so happy. Disney has ruined marcel/starwars and i cant fathom them being smart enough to fix it, its dead