This!! My girlfriend loves older Marvel movies. Mainly for Chris Evans though.

Exactly. Great analogy.

They have to push the women superhero movies because their top investors need women to fight in war. They don't care if it flops, they just need the marketing out there to influence more women as the military are struggling to recruit at the same rate with Gen Z.

@@rbu2136 Not really a good analogy. The NBA is preferable to the WNBA because the players in the NBA are actually more skilled at the game. Both leagues have players at the top of their game, but the innate advantages of men in sports gives the NBA the edge over the WNBA. In contrast, superhero skills are not innate at all. They are all fictional so any given superhero is as exactly as skilled as the writers make them out to be. There's no reason to believe there is any innate male advantage in the realm of superheroes.

@@gunkulator1while this is true, most of the popular characters are male. & even the most popular female characters had their arcs take place in comics centered around men.

Theyre reminding men that they are why its not potentially successful. Lol.

They've been kept away from the theaters by the Patriarchy!!!

They never gave a fk in the first place.

why would I want to watch the movie about three bitches with superpowers? the modern films have protagonists, but lack heroes, those women are the last kind of person I would want to imagine myself being and I actually like rugged looking strong men in large screen, ideally without a tshirt on at least once. this movie will probably lack that.

Obviously they were controlled by THE PATRIARCHY!

Disney Plus rewriting "boring" ECHO series, cutting topics they can't cover, MMIW, Ezra Miller character (Doomcock/SheHulk style) what skinwalking is and where those missing Native women went. ------------------------------

Or zealotry. How many countless people have died in history because someone had an ironclad and unwavering belief? That’s Hollywood currently. Box office disappointments and abysmal ratings are secondary to the messaging. Black Rock’s CEO himself said he wants to force people to change their way of thinking.

@@YorkLetorrezshe shouldn’t have a show she wasn’t even good in hankeye

It's not about making a successful movie, it's about the message.

@@Wyatt6661yup, I have no clue who pushed this crap to make a show out of it. All of this is the fault of Feige. He has to go

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Ha ha ha! Too funny.

😂😂😂 Quality.

Right. I'm fatigued from the horseshit they've been pumping out since phase 3 ended

Yup, all of the Spiderman movies have been great, but that's Sony.

Read manga and watch anime.

Here’s an idea, grow the fuck up and watch something else.

Couldnt have said it better myself

Imagine being so privileged as to have a company spend $10m on you personally ($270m / 24 viewers). I hope they're grateful.............

@@pigeonpoo1823 their not. they think that they are owed this

I wish that stood for Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated awards. Instead of Diversity Equality Inclusion.

@@adamkalb1 Dooofenshmirtz is another subsidiary of the Sheinhardt Wig Company, right?

This movie is also made for the ignorant and gullible MCU fans that that watched the first one in the theater, then cried that they we😢 tricked into seeing it because The were told that they had to watched Captain Marvehead to understand Endgame. Now that is ignorant.

And nerds brands now it's for hipsters

I've seen a few guys say that their sons were excited about seeing the Marvels but the men themselves said that they didn't want to take their sons. So boys have no issue w Marvels grown ass man boys have the problem.

@@thoomolong kids have no idea.

@@TheJadedFilmMaker it's a family movie. You liked silly stuff when you were a kid.

@@thoomolongso if a product doesn’t sell, it’s the customer’s fault. Got it.

I am sure I could watch about 3mins before it was too much for me to handle, over an hour of woke garbage space feminism is too much for anyone to stomach

@@kalesmart1 I agree. Space feminism sucks major ass

They're actually using the Quantumania comparison in the marketing now -- "It's like more Cassie Lang, only times three!"

Extra thumbs up for "Lukelessfilm". Heard it the first time.

I'm boycotting every Disney's products. Except the classics.

Same. I also didn't watch Avatar 2 even though it wasn't produced by Disney. Anything that has any connection with woke company, I will stay far far away.

welcome to the ex- star trek, doctor who fan base world. wokeness killed them too

Lukelessfilm. Stolen. That's mine now. 😂👏🏾👍🏾

Identity politics, liberal beliefs, woke agenda, and "reject my ideas you are an -ist and a -phobe".

DEI programming, and Bob Iger's woke-ness.

Its about shaming and ridiculing their audience. Cost whatever it will. The movies are not meant to make profit.

You have it backwards. The studio execs want a certain movie made, and then hire people to make the movie they ask for. The studio wants these made bc they A) take regular marvel/starwars fans for granted B) think by having an Indian girl and a hispanic girl and a chinese man etc etc it will grow their market share in other places. It’s purely about greedy businesspeople and the shareholders that demand endless growth.

Because, most fundamentally, the kinds of cultists who fully buy into the tribal warfare of intersectionalist propaganda reject the principle of truth to power and worship at the sacrifice pits of power to truth. They sincerely believe that they can dictate how reality itself functions, if only they can gain enough power, and whatever stupid, anti-humanity lies they believe in can be made true, if only everyone in the world also believes in their policies and politics. The real enemy of these people is objective truth and reality. That's why they don't care how much money they lose or how many other people reject their ideas; if they can erode and undermine culture's foundation of objectivity, they consider that a win. The woke are suicide bombers of culture. Furthermore, since the woke consider objective truth the enemy, they consider the suffering they inflict upon themselves by dashing themselves upon the rocks of reality to be a noble hardship. They are so inculcated to their ideology(s) that they have incorporated it into their very identity. To be proven wrong, they perceive as complete identity death, and since the woke are Godless heathens, they correlate death to total extinction of themselves. So they with infinite narcissism and craven cowardice will cling to their false gospels, no matter how much worthless, vainglorious suffering it brings them. The culture war is but another proxy for a far greater conflict. We are in a spiritual war, and the woke are heirs of darkness and children of lies.

I think once they had success they wanted to open it up for more girls and expand the audience. Sounds reasonable. They also likely wanted to deal with the fact the avengers is mostly white men. Personally I would rather the team look like the comics but I also think hank pym should have been this generations ant man. The problem is that women in this generation hate men in a way that previous generations didn't. So they brought in these young female actors and directors and they hated the mcu and only came in to destroy it. You cannot tell me SheHulk was made by people who love the mcu. Not possible. Once they let these people in, they did so much damage but they also have their fans so its hard to get rid of them without causing a bigger mess and a lot of projects were approved early making it hard to course correct. And now some of these people have important studio jobs and I think Feige has lost control. They can prevent new things getting made but its hard to fix it once the projects are in progress. That's an explanation that doesn't involve a conspiracy

Of course not, it's because "The Force is Female" and Disney "don't need no man" anymore.

@@djbehrens more like they "don't need no men" anymore. It's depressing. Guess we don't have a place in the magic kingdom anymore. This is no longer Mickey's house. We are under the tyrannical regime of Minnie.

​​@@user-vg8ox3he1ido women in this generation hate men more or are they less willing to put up with your bullshit than their grandmothers were?

Of all the women I know, including the all female staff that I work with (i am the only man in the office) all my friends from high school and college that I keep in touch with, my wife, my daughter, all my friends wives and girlfriends, only one of them likes hero films and she's only obsessed with wonder woman. That is a decent sample size and I dare say it's the norm. But you made a film that cost over a quarter billion dollars for them? I hope you don't have children, because your genes aren't worth passing on.

this. I love movies for dickers and that's why I gave my money to the expendables and not the marvels.

You are seriously delusional. And you people are the ones who whined about barbie too.

@@liamloxley1222 So you are telling us she didn't even need to get her powers in the mail because she would have inherited them? Well that makes a lame origin story even lamer.

​@@liamloxley1222damn dude just stop. You're just making it worse.

I was seriously considering watching it. “Ok I’ll binge Ms marvel real quick get it out of the way and sit through the marvels cause it can’t be THAT bad.” So thanks for saving me a few hours.

Disney ruin alot of things they did not create

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Exactly! It's about having a good social credit score for corporations.

And consumers who are too dumb to realize that the people making the movies hate them 😂

Lmfao F Disney F ESG

it really isn't, we skipped it. saw the expendables and dear david, aiming for the john cena one next. honestly I can't imagine any adult seeing Marvels unless taking the kids, the trailer looks aimed at girls ages 10-14....

@@codinghusky5196 Exactly. That's why the films are failing now. Their aiming at an audience that aren't interested.

That scene alone in the 1st trailer made me want to watch the movie, which before that was a movie I was planning on skipping.

I remember when all the Tumblr girls were swooning over Tom Hindleston in 2012 😂 Exatcly, the only reason women liked these movies was the "hot guys", they don't wanna see them because women empowerment let alone women empowerment coming from extremely boring characters

And u can make a good movie with a female cast just don't be smug about it and most importantly make a good movie

@@stevenstringfellow5371 exactly. None of the women I know are watching The Marvels because there's no hot guys and the main stars have no appeal to them. None of the guys I know are watching for practically the same reasons. No one to crush on and the action is unappealing.

Jamming her into an already established storyline last minute was crazy enough. But who in their right mind listened to Brie Larson's Valley-Girl-meets-Urkel delivery and said "Yeah buddy, that's what we're looking for!"

They have movies on ant man but no solo films for storm ?they tripping.

@@mitchellsouphasith3763 I’d love to see a Storm origins film

It doesn't even matter how likeable or earned her position is. A character as overpowered as to actually BE ABLE TO RESTORE A SUN is just such an absurd construct that it absolutely destroys any suspension of disbelief after aninhilating any kind of stakes at all.

male superhero save kids now

YES the next phase of WOKE is to stick the message in better movies. RENFIELD is SICKENINGLY woke, for instance.

Yeah hence I won't watch certain movies, even avatar 2, just because it's related to woke company Disney. Everyone has freedom of choice I guess. That's why we call it democracy. Vote with our wallets. If we're the minority then they have nothing to worry about.

Barbie did well because it was aimed at middle class white women, who tend to be woke and have questionable taste in movies.

Well marketed…slow down

@@ScaryStoriesNYCwas it?

There seems to be a push in media now to make women not care about relationships and almost demonize them. Perhaps to make them better consumers.

I gotta say, you're wrong about girls never giving an F about superheroes (some of us used to read the source material and get asked "what's next" by those who never read the comics) but I digress. The problem is, the latest films are straying too far from their target audiences and the source material. That is the male audience and/or the comic book fans who want to see the story done right. I hate some of the X-men films and especially the Dark Phoenix (I wanted to leave the theater mid-way). They shouldn't worry about appealing to an audience who will never watch the films, as they still won't, even when they are pandered to. Oh, and I need to add. Change can also be good, I loved the new version of Janet Van Dyne over the old version. She was made very Linda Hamilton via Terminator. But making childish shows like Ms. Marvel didn't appeal to me. The same people who watched Iron Man would never watch that. That's a good barometer on how different they've made the franchise.

progressives and feminisssts would scream at you and call you all sorts of nasty names for saying what you said, but at the end of the day... it's just true.

There are women who like superheroes, but they're a smaller, niche audience and they don't like awkward gurl-boss pandering. They've gotten rid of the only female market they had.

@@uptonogood1893 I was generalising, but the amount of girls interested in superheroes is so miniscule as to be inconsequential to the box office. I have two sons. With no prompting from me, they immediately graduated towards heavy plant machinery (tractors especially), robots, spaceships, ninjas, superheroes, cars, guns, punching, crashes, and explosions. Many of our friends have daughters. They have all embraced princesses, the colour pink, dancing, art and crafts, horses, tea parties, etc etc. None of the girls have expressed even the slightest interest in anything that my boys obsess over. These cliches exist for a reason. There is no audience for the woke messaging that Disney have been trying to force for the last decade. If they want to start making money again, Marvel needs to go back to basics to appeal to its core audience: 1) white male protagonists 2) beautiful female love interests

A diverse amputee, transgender, bipoc lesbian girl boss is my guess

Be careful with your corrections. You are right about man-haters being misandrists; but chauvinist is a French word, and you spelled it wrong.

A further language lesson: Gender (masculine/feminine/neuter is grammar/writing. Sex male/female is biology. I just wish people would STOP using the language of those destroying cultures and civilization. Discrimination is being based on biological sex, not gender.

Literally samus from metroid or Ripley from alien, make captain marvel an alien horror story or something I mean c'mon 😆

​@@kalesmart1do anything man, just make her character more likeable. She comes across as smug and arrogant.

@@Clawed9the first thing they need is an enemy that can actually challenge her. When she can just blast through any opposition where is the challenge. Either give her an enemy on her level or take away her powers

​@@Clawed9and they've made Carol some sort on non-funny comedy act 😂

​@natsohigh5552 yeah I do wonder how much of the problem is brie but my 10 year old daughter is a great judge of character and can tell when females are acting out of place, I really hate the examples she's had for the last decade there's only a few good shows and movies she can turn to

Shang-Chi should've followed his comic book which was more in the realm of spy movies, sort of Winter Soldier meets Enter the Dragon, rather than going into silly fantasyland. Iron Fist was much more in that realm, what with K'un Lun and dragons and his particular power. Shang Chi was basically a top level martial artist taking on a criminal mastermind, and it didn't have to be anymore than that. Especially if they'd left out all the campy humor and Awkwafina and that little hairy pig thing that only Ben Kingsley can understand. Good grief, what a messy piece of crap that was...

It's potentially the one thing I like, assuming it's a call-back to the Mar-vell/Rick Jones Negative Zone switch-up, which itself was kinda a reference to OG Captain Marvel's Billy Batson body-switching (later adapted by Alan Moore's Marvelman). I say potentially, though, because I like the idea of the film-makers actually reading the source material and being inspired by it (and recognizing it) than I actually liked the Jones/Mar-Vell dynamic as it was.

I mean it could've been good if only they were creative with the idea. Imagine being a kid and suddenly getting to switch places with your favourite superhero - but not in this stupid way, but take an actual KID, a realistic, awkward, confused and inexperienced teenager and a full-on illusioned fan, and swapping bodies - becoming - the superhero in question. Sort of a Jumanji transition; like this big bad ass superhero is suddenly in the kid's body and the kid is suddenly this strong muscular super powered bad ass. You could take it multiple directions from there; multiple FUN directions - like humorously exploring the body swap like Jumanji, going deeper into the imperfections of the superhero by disillusioning the kid going sort of a The Boys route... to a full-on turning the kid into a villain because s/he's now got the powers and can whatever! There's potential. Just takes two things disney doesn't have - creativity and talent.

nah the real problem is this movie should be marketed to kids instead of adults. The entire fanbase has grown throughout the years and hearing cringe statements from Miss marvel"So we are a team now" like hannah montana is peak kid content.Also the entire cast is "disneyfied". From captain marvel acting so girlbossy. To Nick fury turning into a comedic mess. They are so unlike their characters, its purely catered to kids at this point.

Now Geeks and Gamers is implying it happened at Barbie because it was available to stream too soon.

You forget they needed more money to steal. To line their pockets.

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@@matchesmalone6669 The problem with that theory is that Carol Danvers specifically says, "I called a friend." As far as the audience knows, she has met Thor Odinson, but she has never met Jane Foster and other than in the final battle in Endgame she has never met Brunhilde/Valkyrie. My money is on Thor and I bet they did it in response to negative feedback.

@@googleislame The audience knows what they're told. All they have to include is a line like "We get together whenever I'm in town..." In fact, I wouldn't put it past Marvel to have Valkyrie and Captain Marvel be an item these days, especially since the woke Twitter mob (all twenty six of 'em) have been whining for it ever since Valkyrie became king of New Asgard. "When will she get her queen! We need this!!" There you go, another diversity and equity box checked as Victoria Alonso beams from the sidelines. Now watch all those LGBTQ+ ticket sales carry them over the goal line...

Stop mansplaining you man!!!!