Distributor VS Wasted Spark VS Coil on Plug VS MONSTER Coil near Plug

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In today's video we are comparing four different kinds of ignition systems for car engines. A distributor based single coil ignition system, a wasted spark ignition system, a coil on plug or direct ignition system and an aftermarket racing coil near plug system.
We're starting with the oldest and therefore most primitive setup of the bunch, the distributor. Unlike any of the other ignition systems shown today the distributor controls ignition timing by relying on a mechanical connection to the engine. The distributor is connected to and rotated by engine internals (most often the camshaft) and the speed of the movement of the rotor inside it is synced to the speed of the rotation of the engine. Although it's a system that performs it's duty fine it's obsolete by today's standards and has bay disadvantages over all other ignition systems. The distributor is a source of friction because it adds moving parts to the engine. It's a source of potential oil leaks because the lower part of it's shaft is immersed in engine oil and thus needs to seal it away. On top of this it employs long spark plug wires that generate (extremely small but still present) voltage drops and voltage differences between cylinders. Spark plug wires also need to be replaced as they erode over time, along with the distributor cap that is also a service item. But all of these downsides can be tolerated, the biggest one, that is difficult to tolerate is that the distributor system has limited potential when it comes to delivering spark at high rpms. The single ignition coil which drives the distributor must fire twice during a single revolution of the crankshaft in a four cylinder engine (four times in a v8), which means that in a four cylinder engine spinning at 6000 rpm there's only 5 milliseconds between spark events. This extremely short time frame can result in the ignition coil being forced to fire the plugs before it's fully charged and create a weaker spark or a reduced chance of the spark even happening, which means that the distributor based single coil ignition system can be prone to misfires at higher rpms and is a strong limiting factor if you want the raise the redline of your engine.
Compared to this the coil pack based wasted spark ignition setup is a much better ignition system. It doesn't have any moving parts or gears and no oil seals either. The system relies on a crankshaft position sensor that relays the engine position of the ECU which then tells the coil pack when to fire the spark plug. This results in much greater accuracy of the ignition timing. Another key benefit is that inside a coil pack there are multiple ignition coils, and a single ignition coil always handles only two cylinders. This means that, unlike the distributor, the wasted spark coil pack must fire only once every single rotation of the crankshaft, regardless of the number of cylinders of the engine. This means more voltage and better operation at high rpm.
A coil on plug system takes things even further. It completely removes spark plug wires as a service item and gives every cylinder it's own ignition coil. This means that a coil on plug, or direct ignition system must fire only once every two revolutions of the crankshaft, meaning even more voltage and even better operation at high rpm and greater power potential and a higher redline. Also because the cop (coil on plug) system gives each cylinder it's individual ignition control it enables the ECU to adjust ignition timing individually for every cylinder resulting in more power, less emissions, better mileage and a smoother idle.
The modern coil on plug system is truly powerful and versatile but it too runs out of talent when it comes to highly modified and racing applications. In that scenario you need to step things up to the AEM IGBT (insulated gate bipolar transistor) coil near plug smart coils. These consistently deliver 40.000 volts in all conditions and can handle any amount of rpms or boost you throw at your engine.
00:00 - Distributor
05:41 - Wasted spark
09:47 - Coil on Plug
12:23 - Monster Coil near Plug - AEM High Output IGBT smart coil
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@d4a
@d4a 3 жыл бұрын
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@stuffhappensdownsouth9899
@stuffhappensdownsouth9899 3 жыл бұрын
8:00 would a V-6 need 2 packs as well or are you referring to a inline 6?
@Frosty_Saiyajin
@Frosty_Saiyajin 3 жыл бұрын
@@stuffhappensdownsouth9899 A v6 usually uses 3 dual spark coil packs, they fire 2 cylinders per pack, instead of 4.
@GeorgeTigra
@GeorgeTigra 3 жыл бұрын
Clever promotion video... Block..
@stuffhappensdownsouth9899
@stuffhappensdownsouth9899 3 жыл бұрын
@@Frosty_Saiyajinthx
@Frosty_Saiyajin
@Frosty_Saiyajin 3 жыл бұрын
@@stuffhappensdownsouth9899 Cheers
@jasonjalbert5211
@jasonjalbert5211 3 жыл бұрын
I teach high school auto shop and I'm always looking for technically accurate videos that are school appropriate. Your channel has nailed it thank you very much!
@pazsion
@pazsion 7 ай бұрын
Just be sure to do your own research and correct the things that are incorrect that he doesn’t go back and correct
@chr_stian
@chr_stian 7 ай бұрын
hey man, keep doing what you do. it's getting more and more rare now to see auto shop programs in high schools nowadays, and it makes me happy to see people like you still wanting to inspire that passion in younger generations
@jasonbussjaeger1132
@jasonbussjaeger1132 6 ай бұрын
I agree
@williamkroth9429
@williamkroth9429 Жыл бұрын
As a retired engineer; and car collector; I must say that your videos are probably the absolute best on KZfaq! You have a great ability to easily explain complex mechanisms and principles and I always learn something new.
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@wrestling9314 Жыл бұрын
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@williamvoor2425
@williamvoor2425 Жыл бұрын
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@bubblebeezvincyisland4419 10 ай бұрын
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@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 3 жыл бұрын
A topic about which I needed to know nothing more than I already did. So, of course, I watched and learned more. Thanks.
@malcolmhardwick4258
@malcolmhardwick4258 3 жыл бұрын
Same !
@kristianperryadams
@kristianperryadams 3 жыл бұрын
This is almost irrelevant to what I was searching for but good information and well delivered so I watched to the end, Keep the revs up👍
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@toddsmith8608 2 жыл бұрын
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@thomasssemukasa9635
@thomasssemukasa9635 Жыл бұрын
Well said.I thought I knew all that I needed, but guess what,A LOT THAT I DIDN'T KNOW
@EdgarsLS
@EdgarsLS 3 жыл бұрын
I use the misfires at high rpm with a distributor as a rev limiter!
@jameshaulenbeek5931
@jameshaulenbeek5931 3 жыл бұрын
"Sounds like your engine is about crap out!" "Nah man... Rev limiter..."
@karoliskazlauskas1213
@karoliskazlauskas1213 3 жыл бұрын
best rev limiter is the valve float smh ;D
@graham2631
@graham2631 3 жыл бұрын
@@karoliskazlauskas1213 lmfao l was gona post that
@jbobea
@jbobea 3 жыл бұрын
@@karoliskazlauskas1213 Best rev (and speed) limiter is to put an egg on your dashboard.
@awmaister5529
@awmaister5529 3 жыл бұрын
nah, redlimiter on a twostroke when you dont have one, yes i mean actualy out accelereting the exploding gas with the piston, keeps a smooth rpm too.
@lynnhooley7608
@lynnhooley7608 3 жыл бұрын
As a retired electrician, your ohms law graphic, cracked me up!
@yacinealg152
@yacinealg152 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have any channel to suggest ? I want to learn electricity
@putraadriansyah8082
@putraadriansyah8082 2 жыл бұрын
@@yacinealg152 GreatScott
@25kmgb
@25kmgb 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really impressed with your ability to convey technical information in such an easy to understand way. I didn't understand why a "smart" coil (AEM) would be better than a COP setup on my 4AGE race engine, but I do now! Thank you.
@kbeightyseven1783
@kbeightyseven1783 2 жыл бұрын
Cop will be fine on non boosted engine, motorcycle engines that rev to 17,500rpm use coil on plug
@maxcactus7
@maxcactus7 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video packed with great information, clearly explained and easy to understand. Thank you, D4A! You definitely have the best automotive engineering & mechanics channel anywhere!
@codyblea3638
@codyblea3638 3 жыл бұрын
Information on a topic I never thought about. And I was engrossed the entire time. I wonder how long until we see monster coils as a oem.
@d4a
@d4a 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you glad you liked the video. I doubt we'll bee seeing monster type coils on OEM anytime soon as these really only become necessary when you start pushing the performance, stuff like 150-200 hp per cylinder. So they wouldn't really give any additional benefits on a stock oem engine, plus they're kinda big and bulky so not that easy to fit in modern crowded engine bays. But in the world of tuning, these things can completely change an engine.
@jonathanrees3765
@jonathanrees3765 3 жыл бұрын
My 17 year old LS1 has OEM coils setup the same as the monster colis?!
@jacknickolstine3355
@jacknickolstine3355 3 жыл бұрын
You wont.
@jonathanrees3765
@jonathanrees3765 3 жыл бұрын
@@MaFTB GM LS engine ignition use exactly the same technology (but not brand). And it performs with superchargers (factory) and aftermarket turbos, highest stress point for ignition. Arrangement allows for physically bigger coil, more, heaver winding's. Independent dyno testing has not found improvements with after market coils on these engines
@Bruno-yi4nb
@Bruno-yi4nb 3 жыл бұрын
Thx! That was actually helpful for the distributor rebuild i'm doing. Also, the way you explained how current and voltage work is way better than anyone i've ever seen.
@outalive55
@outalive55 Жыл бұрын
Oh My!! This is by far the best and most concise explanation of the progression and differences in the ignition systems I have ever heard. I thank you so very much. I feel as if I have just walked out into the sunlight after being in the dark for 40 years. I'm a 68 year old fellow who's last experience working on ignition systems was in the 1970's.
@noahman27
@noahman27 3 жыл бұрын
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@hggird
@hggird 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is so underrated!! You should have 1M + subs. Great informational video
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@trevnerdhubbabubba6230 3 жыл бұрын
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@MrDrago1954
@MrDrago1954 3 жыл бұрын
I learned all this back in the 70s and 80s when Cars were a more important item in my life. Its very generous of you to put it all together in one package, starting with Mechanical Distributors. Your vocal presentation makes it easy to remain focused on the material and not your person. Thank You that. You have a new sub.
@arafatbello4491
@arafatbello4491 2 жыл бұрын
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@regdor8187
@regdor8187 3 жыл бұрын
Undoubtedly the best explanation I have ever seen comparing the different ignition systems....Bravo!
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@sushpants 3 жыл бұрын
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@Lotusvvc Жыл бұрын
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@edd.1886 3 жыл бұрын
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@vtecnerd 3 жыл бұрын
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@DP-nr1hz 3 жыл бұрын
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@atxmobilebrakes6097
@atxmobilebrakes6097 Жыл бұрын
I spent a long time looking online trying to figure out what is the difference between a distributor system and modern ignition systems. You're video is exactly what i was looking for. I've seen a lot of your other videos and loved them all I can't believe I over looked your channel! Thanks for all the videos and i hope you keep them coming!!!
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@pujiri5752 3 жыл бұрын
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@recardothompson5960 3 жыл бұрын
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@hyacinthbucket3803 3 жыл бұрын
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@grba1988 3 жыл бұрын
tek sam nedavo otkrio tvoj kanal , sad moram pogledati sve videe od počeka kanala... svaka čast, puuuuno korisnih informacija... samo tako nastavi,... pozdrav iz zagreba!!
@samcoote9653
@samcoote9653 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always, ive heard the wasted spark system mentioned before, never knew exactly how it worked, really clears it up :D cheers man!
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@pabitrikalita3940 3 жыл бұрын
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@bonfacemasharia5843 2 жыл бұрын
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@aussietaipan8700 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos mate, they should be used as additional training methods for apprentice mechanics. Very interesting and well presented too.
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@jakub.anderwald 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are super informative on all technical levels - from materials, to engineering, to actual practical applications. Thank you, I just started supporting you through patreon.
@abracing199
@abracing199 3 жыл бұрын
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@davelloyd-
@davelloyd- 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video explaining the differences. I think I've had all the set-ups over the years :) My Astra had the coil-overs and it did break (old 2nd hand car) and was a fair bit more expensive to replace than a couple of spark leads :) Interestingly (at least to me) is that my HSV seems to have the Monster Coil near plug from factory - no idea the voltage but it certainly has eight blocks and a short lead to the plug. [GM's LSA motor]
@evanroberts6347
@evanroberts6347 3 жыл бұрын
Was just looking up to buy some plug coils and I saw this, very helpful
@gabrielshepard
@gabrielshepard 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining all that. I had wondered why the need/want and difference in ignition systems. This helped tons
@jessecampbell4580
@jessecampbell4580 Жыл бұрын
Just subscribed. New favourite technical automotive channel on youtube! Keep up the great work.
@cmadegwa
@cmadegwa 3 жыл бұрын
I'm working on a restomod project for a car that came with the old distributor system. See, I knew there were downsides to that old system but now I know exactly why that is. Good work man.
@Demonslayer20111
@Demonslayer20111 3 жыл бұрын
The upside is its pure simplicity.
@Joe-rx7ht
@Joe-rx7ht 3 жыл бұрын
And now I know what the crank position sensor on my Land Rover Discovery 2 does. 😄 Thanks! 🙏
@Uliches
@Uliches 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video of yours like many others. Thank you and stay safe on the road.
@WolfHowl71
@WolfHowl71 3 жыл бұрын
This was something I wondered about a while ago but never pursued. Thanks for the answers and well done vid!
@woodyTM
@woodyTM 3 жыл бұрын
Even though I'm extremely experienced and knew everything discussed in this video, hearing it and seeing it visualized this well was really inspiring.
@vettle1
@vettle1 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, these are great!
@adamculbertson7850
@adamculbertson7850 3 жыл бұрын
“You have to reach for something like this.” Then video gets interrupted by a Frebreze commercial. Lmao. The timing was perfect.
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@pieterpretorius1014 3 жыл бұрын
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@MrNigel1340
@MrNigel1340 3 жыл бұрын
@@pieterpretorius1014 I use u block works a treat.
@rishijai
@rishijai 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, I was looking for for something like this and it was hard to find.
@josech5743
@josech5743 3 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video bro. You got a new sub. I will be watching all your videos for sure. Thanks for the content
@fila1445
@fila1445 3 жыл бұрын
It is worth noting that for direct coils you need to tell ecm camshaft posision, basically using the same sensor as crankshaft position sensor but on camshaft or camshaft wheel. Only then it will know on what stroke each cylinder is and fire every other revolution.
@fuzzy1dk
@fuzzy1dk 3 жыл бұрын
they could be run as wasted spark
@fila1445
@fila1445 3 жыл бұрын
@@fuzzy1dk thats exactly what I meant:)
@valde3336
@valde3336 3 жыл бұрын
It can operate with only crank position sensor. ECU can start the engine on wasted spark mode and then guess the cam position as there are only two options. If that causes misfire (engine speed drops) the guess was wrong and cam is the other way around. This also works for sequential fuel injection. Just start with patch injection and guess to switch to sequential.
@valde3336
@valde3336 Жыл бұрын
@Retired Bore You totally missed my point
@valde3336
@valde3336 Жыл бұрын
@Retired Bore Ok. Then I misunderstood you.Sorry
@bobbybeyer2127
@bobbybeyer2127 3 жыл бұрын
Aww man, after your last video I was hoping we'd be getting some sweet sweet diesel content. But now you cover the least diesel topic imaginable! It's all good D4A, still love your channel!
@d4a
@d4a 3 жыл бұрын
There will be some stuff on diesels here and there in the future, but I'm a spark boy through and through so petrol will still account for the vast majority of my content.
@bobbybeyer2127
@bobbybeyer2127 3 жыл бұрын
@@d4a I'll forgive you, but seriously an "Iconic Engines" on the Mercedes OM606 and Cummins 6BT would be so sick! I think those are two engines even sparky bois can appreciate Also if you ever are bored, go check out two-stroke diesels and how they work. Supercharged and turbocharged. Very fascinating
@tevaughnalleyne
@tevaughnalleyne Жыл бұрын
This was the best video I’ve seen on these ever! Thank you brother from the Caribbean 🇹🇹🇹🇹
@smolneko6310
@smolneko6310 3 жыл бұрын
Good info, keep up the good work my man. I learn alot when you post.
@darkness_npc5241
@darkness_npc5241 3 жыл бұрын
you stated why the disturber is the best in the beginning. It's mechanically linked to the engine. no computer needed. no bullshit ECU or extra stuff that's expensive to replace when it breaks. I did the plugs cap and rotor in my small block chevy, and it cost me 97 dollars. most of which was the AC Delo plugs. compared to an LS engine where a coil can be upwards of 150$ for one. I will stick to the old school stuff. carbs, pushrod, and disturbers!
@artementy
@artementy 3 жыл бұрын
Screw the old unreliable stuff. Too many moving parts that fail. You need to put new ignition parts on your small block every year or two. Nothing wrong with computers, they almost never fail. And you can drive an LS engine for 300k+ miles and 15+ years without replacing a single ignition coil. And in a rare occasion when you do, they are not $150. Rockauto sells them for $56 (Acdelco) or $18 (aftermarket).
@PTTrue-mu5rq
@PTTrue-mu5rq 3 жыл бұрын
Very true coil on packs are over priced pieces of junk. old things like that hardly ever break and if they do it's no 800 dollars to fix
@PTTrue-mu5rq
@PTTrue-mu5rq 3 жыл бұрын
OEM parts are best to use because you're vehicle was made to run efficiently with those parts I did what you're saying to do and put aftermarket parts on and nothing will last as long as an OEM part trust me I already tried
@darkness_npc5241
@darkness_npc5241 3 жыл бұрын
@@PTTrue-mu5rq yeah the only after market parts that I would trust is performance parts, like holly and msd. But I agree OEM is the best and no matter the parts store. They all got parts for a small block Chevy or ford
@darkness_npc5241
@darkness_npc5241 3 жыл бұрын
@@artementy if you think old stuff has too many moving parts look at a new double over head cam v8 that’s to many moving parts and a mile of timing chains. The old stuff may be less fuel efficient but it’s more reliable even when is not taken care of that good. And cheep after market stuff is just asking to be stranded on The side of the road. OEM or performance only, in my opinion. And I only change the ignition parts because I did not know the last time they had been done. I won’t have to change them for years. They hardly ever fail if you maintain them.
@IIIRotor
@IIIRotor 3 жыл бұрын
on the verge of going from MSD DIS2 up to those monster coils... can't wait... Just for a bit more info... those AEM coils, are actually knows as IGN-1A's . Every one just re-badges them... AEM, Haltech, Holley, Accel, ProEFI.... etc...
@brianmessemer2973
@brianmessemer2973 3 жыл бұрын
Really really high quality. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
@stefanihnat6566
@stefanihnat6566 3 жыл бұрын
You are the best teacher about cars :-) Thank you for your videos!
@cavalierliberty6838
@cavalierliberty6838 3 жыл бұрын
I've learned more from this channel than i did in automotive school. Suck it, WCC.
@Hayaweh
@Hayaweh 3 жыл бұрын
I *may* (cough cough) have replaced my RX-8 OEM coils with those monstar coils... (cough).. I guess they're a good fit for rotaries since they are high rev lovers and also, unlike reciprocating piston engines have to literally fire for every single cycles. (Might still be overkill.. But at the same time.. There's nothing overkill on rotaries if you want to keep them alive)
@heikopanzlaff3789
@heikopanzlaff3789 3 жыл бұрын
should have downgraded to the RX 7 FC turbo - system with 4 full size coils . Never have issues, that is overkill... BTW they fire twice every work stroke with a 0.. 20 ° difference. There is a leading and a trailing one.
@FinalLuigi
@FinalLuigi 3 жыл бұрын
@@heikopanzlaff3789 RX-8s are everywhere and often sold for dirt cheap because people didn't want to maintain them properly. RX-7s are not as common due to the same issues as the RX-8, but also due to being hamstrung by American regulations, the notion that foreign vehicles were worthless (which was a root cause of the 240SX extinction event), the destruction of thousands of functional cars at the hands of Cash for Clunkers, and of course due to sports cars seemingly always being equipped with an 'aggressive SUV/pick-up driver magnet' that turns them into accordeons.
@joekurtz8303
@joekurtz8303 3 жыл бұрын
An ignition coil is rated for kv(1000v) voltage potential, actual kv used to fire the plug is measurable on a scope.& more potential can help in high rpm air/ fuel/ spark advance ratio uses.. Your STD coil for early point sys rated @20kv⚡ HEI coils @40 - 60kv .⚡⚡ ( @miliamp flow) Most modern coils rated@ 60 to 90 kv& up however@ 90 kv&+up ( MULTICOIL pack) & coils potential exceeds the 1amp or better rate and can injure or kill you. Use a spark check tool for any diagnostic test for a no spark condition on modern computer controlled engines. Not the old method-hold plug wire to block for 20- 40 kv rated coils. ⚡ most of your old coils are rated in miliamps.1amp @90kv+ and above can cause human heart stoppage.( +ruin your day )A coil must completely discharge voltage during firing stroke before recharging,-points closed ( dwell) or HEI distributor pickup do this In milliseconds (voltage over time) (dwell affects base ign. timing) Coil packs use wasted spark theory.on the matched cylinder to crank( fire stroke/ exhaust stroke matched reciprocating cyl) most individual coil per cyl. fire like a std coil & are computer controlled .(ECM) Hope this helps . Make sure all battery leads clean and engine/ chassis grounds secure. Make sure aftermarket stereos are on clean fused 12v source, not ANY computer (ECM )related circuit or the car will fire and surge sporadically to the music beat.( poor driveability)
@IgorGiganskiANtiatom
@IgorGiganskiANtiatom 2 жыл бұрын
@@heikopanzlaff3789 RX7's of all gens are now skyrocketing in prices, RX8's on the other hand are still low on prices...
@waltwimer2551
@waltwimer2551 3 жыл бұрын
I already knew a lot of this, but still learned a few new things. Excellent! Thanks!!!
@thomasssemukasa9635
@thomasssemukasa9635 Жыл бұрын
Love the way he simplifies stuff, video IS WORTHY THE TIME.THANX SO MUCH
@deciplesteve
@deciplesteve 3 жыл бұрын
Could you possibly do an episode about ignition controllers? I'm specifically looking for something affordable, but smart enough to run sequential CoPs. If needed they could be CoPs wired as wasted spark as it's not a terribly high revving engine, but I would prefer sequential to keep wear on the CoPs down to as close to factory as possible.
@sicstar
@sicstar 3 жыл бұрын
Accidentally very early it seems :| Very interesting topic since the last time i dived into that was on a 2 stroke with 74cc :D Nice to see how the stuff works on a proper engine. Like out before watched the video again... no regrets >:D
@johnzapata2837
@johnzapata2837 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, this is some quality content. Thank you!
@jedielder7970
@jedielder7970 Жыл бұрын
Awesome and informative video... I always learn something new watching your posts, thank you very much!
@danebeck7900
@danebeck7900 3 жыл бұрын
Coils don't "charge up" like capacitors do. That's sloppy language and doesn't really describe what's going on. Coils generate a primary magnetic field when current is run through them. The larger the current, the larger the primary magnetic field. The primary magnetic field is limited by saturation of the iron core, but that's a separate discussion. The reason coils take time to fully "turn on" the primary magnetic field is due to Lenz's Law. As the current and primary magnetic field increase, a secondary magnetic field is induced that opposes the primary field. That also induces an opposing electric field which pushes against the electrons flowing through the primary coil. So as the current is increasing the electrons have to fight against this induced electric field. This slows down the acceleration of the current, which prevents it from instantaneously turning on. It has an effect very similar to mass in mechanical systems, the heavier something is the slower it accelerates. In the case of a coil it's called inductance. The greater the inductance, the greater the induced electric field pushes back against the electrons that are trying to accelerate through the coil. So a bigger coil is "heavier" and "harder to accelerate" because it has more inductance than a smaller coil. Anyways back to the ignition system. Eventually the primary coil finally reaches full current and primary magnetic field. At this point, the secondary coil, which overlaps the primary but isn't physically connected to it, has zero current but full magnetic field running through it. It's when the primary current switches off (but not instantaneously, again due to Lenz's Law) and the primary magnetic field starts decreasing, Lenz's Law causes an induced electric field to form in the secondary coil. But now instead of slowing down the electrons like what happened in the primary coil, the electric field pushes against the electrons in the secondary coil and accelerates them. So current only flows in the secondary coil when the current in the primary coil is (gradually) turning on or off. Since the secondary coil is connected to the spark plug, this is ultimately what causes the electrons to jump across the spark gap. Now, a spark plug does have capacitance, so current running through the secondary coil causes the electrons to build up at the edges of the spark gap before they generate enough voltage to jump the gap and form a spark. So the spark plugs actually do "charge up". But not the coils. So this might cause you to ask, if a more powerful coil is "harder to accelerate" because it has more inductance, then why the hell would you want it?! Doesn't that just slow things down? Increased inductance leads to greater magnetic flux for the same amount of current running through the coil. If inductance is like "mass" that makes electrons harder to accelerate, it also gives them more "magnetic flux" which is like the electromagnetic equivalent of momentum. So when the electrons are charging up the spark plug, they're not bumping into it like a scooter in a parking lot, they're slamming into it like a semi truck on the highway. That's why you get a bigger spark when the coil has more inductance. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lenz%27s_law
@NoorquackerInd
@NoorquackerInd 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's sloppy and inaccurate, but it's close enough and this is a video about automotive engineering for noobs, not electrical engineering
@jbobea
@jbobea 3 жыл бұрын
I understood it only because I studied electrical engineering. But yes, it's true.
@danebeck7900
@danebeck7900 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I get this is a "noob" video... But I felt somebody should give a more detailed physics explanation in the comments in case somebody wanted to dig deeper. Hope it makes sense for somebody. If it's too wordy for some they should just look up Faraday's Law and Lenz's Law on Wikipedia.
@ToyotaKTM
@ToyotaKTM 3 жыл бұрын
But of course, Lenz's law doesn't apply to metric engines, so it isn't enforced.
@johno9507
@johno9507 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the 90's I used to build my own V8's and used distributors with points. I never had a problem with them of any kind.
@mbsnyderc
@mbsnyderc 3 жыл бұрын
Those would have been lower RPM engines.and a lot of this is about efficiency fuel and power curve. more than just overall power.
@johno9507
@johno9507 3 жыл бұрын
@@mbsnyderc They'd routinely hit 5500 to 6000rpm, that's not exactly slow. And I could get 10L/100km on the freeway. Admittedly I swapped the factory 4 speed for a Toyota 5 speed steel case gearbox. The trick is to keep the points well lubed and gapped.
@soisaidtogod4248
@soisaidtogod4248 3 жыл бұрын
My old 911 still works fine.
@SGcomputing
@SGcomputing 3 жыл бұрын
@@johno9507 of course distributors work, they were used for a long time. But technology advances, and generally when technology evolves its to improve the tech not make it worse. A single distributor would not be able to handle 7500-8500 rpm, and our modern systems are designed to be more efficient and reliable. No more moisture in the distributor cap, or maintenance on the points, etc. This is a big reason why we have cars that start first try in the freezing cold. Better fuel systems, ignition systems, etc.
@johno9507
@johno9507 3 жыл бұрын
@@SGcomputing To be honest I've had more trouble over the years with coil on/near plug ignition systems in everything from my (Australian) LS1 powered HSV Clubsport R8, Ford Falcon 4.0ltr XR6 Turbo, Ford Falcon 5.4 XR8 to my Volvo S60R than I had in my old 1978 GM Holden 5ltr V8's. I'd leave for work at 4:30am and even in winter one press of the accelerator pedal to activate the choke on the Quadrajet carburettor and she'd start first time every time. And now instead of replacing one coil, you have to replace 8 of the buggers...and for what, so I can rev out to 6500rpm instead of 5500rpm.
@jamessanderson7289
@jamessanderson7289 3 жыл бұрын
Easy to understand! Learned a lot too, definitely subscribing
@scootergem
@scootergem Жыл бұрын
Great video. Really great, informative, and easy to understand. Thanks much!
@sebastiannielsen
@sebastiannielsen 3 жыл бұрын
One disadvantage with the distributor is also that the timing lead is static in distance, not time. When igniting the fuel mixture in an engine, you always want to ignite it leading with time, as the time from when you send voltage to the spark plug, and the fuel excerting downwards pressure (where you want the piston at TDP) is always static (for a specific mixture). The distributor leads with distance instead, meaning that it will at higher RPMs, lead with shorter times (meaning the spark will come a tad too late) and at lower RPMs, it will lead with longer times (meaning the spark will come a tad too early) (Think carefully now - at higher RPMs, it will take shorter time, for the distributor to travel from point A to B). This is a big disadvantage. Thats why smarter, electronic spark systems are created,. so the engine can adjust the lead times based on RPM and fuel mixture. This is also the same reason fuel injectors are created, and also why it exist electronic valve systems (camless engines) where the ECU controls the valves completely independent of the rotation of the engine. Also the reason the crank position sensor has one teeth missing is not to create a changing magnetic field - remember that the wheel has teeth and is not smooth - and will make pulses anways thus creating a changing magnetic field. The reason the missing teeth is there, is to give the sensor a absolute position reference - like a "zero". The missing pulse is intepreted by the ECU as passing of a specific position, and the ECU can zero a counter. For each pulse from the sensor, the ECU increases the counter by 1. When the missing pulse is encountered again, it zeroes again. Thus the ECU constantly "recalibrates" itself, so even if the engine would happen to come a little bit out of sync, for example due to electrical interference, its instantly recalibrated next revolutiion. Note that a ABS sensor works in the exact same way - but it doesn't need a missing teeth, because it don't need to know the absolute position of the wheel - it only needs to know the speed (pulses/second), thus it doesn't matter if the ABS loses a pulse or two, because it will not become desynced.
@mitchellmanson449
@mitchellmanson449 3 жыл бұрын
underrated comment, you could do a video
@james2hackett870
@james2hackett870 3 жыл бұрын
Not if one wheel is only missing teeth you go fast enough the abs computer registers an issue due to speed difference on all wheels whilst your not apply brakes it will turn it self off
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 3 жыл бұрын
@@james2hackett870 If your car is MISSING teeth on a sensor-disc for ABS you got some other waaaaayyy more serious issues - not the least of which is the lack of intelligence to even dare driving such a deathtrap.
@nerd1000ify
@nerd1000ify 3 жыл бұрын
Most distributor systems include some mechanism to advance the spark as rpm rises. Of course these crude vacuum or fly-weight operated mechanisms can't compare to a computer doing the job...
@lolbuster01
@lolbuster01 Жыл бұрын
@@nerd1000ify very true, but one of the few benefits of a distributor is that, with the proper knowledge and almost no tools, you can set and adjust timing on the fly. It will never be as accurate as a computer but because it is mechanically linked, as long as the distributor is stabbed correctly its going to be more or less correct. And those are the two (very slim) benefits I can come up with. Less computers and (with proper knowledge) very cheap on the fly adjustments.
@chrisbenn8691
@chrisbenn8691 3 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how these newer ignition setups work. Now I understand the Subaru engine I'm working on has a Wasted Spark setup. I grew up on Holden red motors, so this tutorial helped so much. Love the other videos too.
@winzall123
@winzall123 3 жыл бұрын
Another Aussie
@vumba1331
@vumba1331 2 жыл бұрын
Just make sure that you use R (resistance) plugs on your engine.
@chrisbenn8691
@chrisbenn8691 2 жыл бұрын
@@vumba1331 Will do. Thanks for the tip.
@vumba1331
@vumba1331 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisbenn8691 Not a problem, glad to help. I use a Subaru EA81 engine on my microlight with a timing wheel on the pulley using a Hall Effect sensor for the timing, it also controls the fuel injectors on a group fire basis, all controlled by a programmable ECU. Fun fact, they made one that was turbo charged so there was a dedicated injector head.
@russbilzing5348
@russbilzing5348 3 жыл бұрын
You have a unique and easily understood style.
@Mr.Unique.89
@Mr.Unique.89 3 жыл бұрын
again .. very detailed informative video .. easy to understand .. keep up the good work
@yannnique17
@yannnique17 3 жыл бұрын
13:05 Toyota: "Hold my beer."
@flyonbyya
@flyonbyya 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought higher pressure necessitated higher voltage/amperage I never thought that that greater air/fuel density created a higher insulation condition
@xenuno
@xenuno 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't you just contradict yourself? More atoms in the gap mean more atoms to ionize which you surmised in first statement. Higher pressure = higher atomic density.
@archygrey9093
@archygrey9093 3 жыл бұрын
Higher density of air/fuel IS higher pressure
@jhuntosgarage
@jhuntosgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Fun and useful, yes! Well done my man. Shared it. Thanks again!
@osmargds
@osmargds 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing explanation! Thanks a lot from Brazil!
@kusee.
@kusee. 3 жыл бұрын
How about new series: Underrated engines You could start the series with saab B2x4 😉
@kusee.
@kusee. 3 жыл бұрын
Ps. Great video once again! Liked
@FrankInAShed
@FrankInAShed 3 жыл бұрын
YEEEES! A video on the history + development + features of the b204/b234 engine would be great and you (D4A) could also describe the somewhat unique SAAB T5/T7 engine management system with its ionic knock-sensing too. :) (done via DI cassette sending ~60v across the spark plug during non-spark time to determine if the engine is knocking without a dedicated knock sensor)
@johneldepresso
@johneldepresso 3 жыл бұрын
And the Toyota 3RZ-FE, the Mercedes OM606
@kusee.
@kusee. 3 жыл бұрын
@@johneldepresso would love to see om606 too!
@SWTH71
@SWTH71 3 жыл бұрын
It’s like you read my mind or something this is getting crazy. Just yesterday I read on those exact things on Wikipedia
@killerdinamo08
@killerdinamo08 3 жыл бұрын
He must be some kind of psychic, I had trouble with ht leads yesterday (not the obvious problems) and although I've fixed it today, this was reassuring to watch 😁.
@hemibreath
@hemibreath 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job 👍 Simple and straight forward ✅
@drsolar
@drsolar 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful explanations and images to go with them. Thank you
@greghardy7239
@greghardy7239 3 жыл бұрын
Now explain how much each system is to repair.
@Martink9191
@Martink9191 3 жыл бұрын
mechanical parts are most problematic. They worn in real time. Coilplug almost never dies.
@SGcomputing
@SGcomputing 3 жыл бұрын
Well, with lots of old cars you have expensive and hard to find parts, and need to go to more expensive specialty shops to have them repaired. A distributor has not only failure costs where you need to replace parts, but maintenance costs aswell to keep it working. With a modern coil on plug system, you save fuel costs with more efficient combustion, there is no maintenance at all, and they very rarely fail and when they do are usually very easy to replace and aren’t all that expensive, typically.
@cjbht19minaret
@cjbht19minaret 3 жыл бұрын
@@Martink9191 just had a coil on plug die last week. They get heat soaked. Thought it was going to be expensive since its an audi a7 but i got a coil on plug for $30 and did the labor myself easily in 10 min
@archygrey9093
@archygrey9093 3 жыл бұрын
@@Martink9191 CoP fail all the time
@Martink9191
@Martink9191 3 жыл бұрын
@@archygrey9093 you should repair the problem then.
@mihailpetrovici5044
@mihailpetrovici5044 3 жыл бұрын
But how hondas still use those and make a bunch of power?
@archygrey9093
@archygrey9093 3 жыл бұрын
Still use what?
@mihailpetrovici5044
@mihailpetrovici5044 3 жыл бұрын
@@archygrey9093 distribuitors. I mean, the old ones still use them because they came with them
@gweckesser
@gweckesser 3 жыл бұрын
Tremendous explanation!!! What a privilege for me to listen to you.
@lastwithpaganblood87
@lastwithpaganblood87 2 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel. Newer mechanic. Love it.
@troopsofsunshine1982
@troopsofsunshine1982 3 жыл бұрын
Bombina Miljenko...bombina
@winzall123
@winzall123 3 жыл бұрын
you missed magneto ignition
@rallymao6811
@rallymao6811 3 жыл бұрын
very well explained. looking forward to your next videos.
@fahoudey
@fahoudey 3 жыл бұрын
where have this channel been all my life !!
@yamafanboy
@yamafanboy 3 жыл бұрын
now after watching this video can you honestly blame me for threatening my friends at gunpoint to sub to this channel?
@d4a
@d4a 3 жыл бұрын
I did notice a spike in the subscriber number recently, fear must be a great incentive 😂
@yamafanboy
@yamafanboy 3 жыл бұрын
@@d4a 😂
@coolvibrations6545
@coolvibrations6545 3 жыл бұрын
First!! Hell yeahh babyyy
@rapskallion
@rapskallion 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is good. Covered all the important facts and history in a very understandable and concise way.
@beerdencustoms7651
@beerdencustoms7651 3 жыл бұрын
This is one off the best explanation videos on this topic i have seen !! Thank you for this information !!! Van you make a video off a conversion from dizzy ignition to cop or monstar coils??
@TruckHoss
@TruckHoss 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Thank you so much for the information and for presenting it in such a great way
@TurboHappyCar
@TurboHappyCar 3 жыл бұрын
Really good stuff man! Dropping a comment to help out the algorithm.
@vettle1
@vettle1 2 жыл бұрын
I already knew about all of this but your videos are freaking cool so I watched anyway!
@pedrocacao5081
@pedrocacao5081 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, made that easy and simple Thanks!
@MrGoldman9
@MrGoldman9 2 жыл бұрын
Once again, there are no words to express my heartfelt thanks for this most wonderful video, full of valuable information. Thank you for this always brilliant work.
@d4a
@d4a 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your support and kind words.
@markg237_5
@markg237_5 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant content! Very informative!!
@kennyclement2823
@kennyclement2823 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for such great information,it's all ways good to know the why, something is the way it is!!!
@trakyboy5128
@trakyboy5128 3 жыл бұрын
Truly informative !!! Thank you amigo 👍🏽
@rickintexas1584
@rickintexas1584 3 жыл бұрын
Great information. I had my COPs replaced a few months ago. Now I know what they do 😀
@oscarpucheta746
@oscarpucheta746 2 жыл бұрын
As always excellent explanation!
@georgelincolnrockwell14
@georgelincolnrockwell14 3 жыл бұрын
loved the video man thank you
@professorofficer9609
@professorofficer9609 3 жыл бұрын
Εxcellent video. Congrats mate. Really informative
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