I was now coming to say the same thing. They so secretive with the details and I so interested in how so many lives were lost.

Thank you very much!!

You seem to have somewhat of a clue. Once those guys were sucked in that pipe they were pretty much done. Let's look way upstream from that decision. Why did the safety diver agree to dive in there with the only thing holding pressure was that rubber plug? When they unbolted that blank why did they take it all the way off? They could have let the pressure shift and stabilize by unbolting that flange part way and lifting the blank part way. If it blew well you have the cap in the way you could just let the cap get sucked shut and stop the process. Why didn't they pressurize the back side of that line so that it was at the same pressure as the front side? When there's disasters like this we end up killing a lot of extra people who are good brave people and are sure they can go down in the situation and come back alive. When they got sucked down that pipe it was over.

@@markmcgoveran6811 just to give some insight to you....those plugs are built to withstand very high pressures. A failure of a plug is not a common occurence. Also if you preasure up the other side of the pipe with the plug still set in there you will create an additional hazard of a pressure differential around either side of the plug.

How about no? In the safety engineering field we have a lot of different standards for a practice and those plugs hold in that kind of pressure and risking divers would not be considered a safe practice. I have a tractor on my farm it has a wonderful bucket on the front and I use it all the time for all sorts of stuff. However it is not to stand on and paint a building. The valves are not of the high quality required for a man lift. I'm engineering intern number 7330 state of Nebraska and I spent a lot of time studying these safety protocols for industrial processes. I'm only talking about American law Trinidad and Tobago have a right to have their own safety laws. All the sensationalism in the world does not make divers live longer when they run out of air. How many more people do we need to be dead in that pipe trying to save people who were already dead. When you can answer that question with some kind of a science or math answer you might be on to something. Instead of viciously attacking the person who had to make that decision like he just did it for the money he didn't care about those guys at all is a sign of a weak mind. They were a couple hundred feet down a 30-in steel pipe. If you send in a rescuer how would he get out? You can't swim backwards. You can't turn around in a 30-in pipe. The guy who said no they're dead we can't save them had to have a pretty good reason to say that. I don't think they would have sent a diver into a 30-in pipe to swim 200 ft, as a regular matter of practice. If you dive down with a set of scuba tanks in front of you you can't clear the blockage. If you dive down with a set of scuba tanks behind you you can't get them past you to get to the other guy. Get a piece of cardboard and make yourself a cardboard box as long as you are tall and 30 in across crawl in there and get to work.

Thanks for chiming in. Yes it seems contentious. There is so little information it's hard to say any which way about what the reasons for not going in. Hopefully something comes to light through the enquiry.

I have a more clear understanding of what happened thank you for taking the time to explain this

Decommissioned pipe since 2018 shouldn't have any OIL They should not have been there in the first place for a decommissioned pipe

@@tammygallant6004 they were there to recommission it

…yep, exactly. SO WRONG how they handled it IMO…

Interesting. I haven’t heard of this one. I’ll look it up

Sounds like the Peter Verhulsel incident. If he followed his dive buddies instructions he’d be alive. It aas good he found have an dry area when he ran out of oxygen but rescue didn’t arrive so he died from starvation

A badass? Are u serious right now . He told those guys he would send for help. He rescued himself. Those guys starved to death and drowned alone in a rusty pipe. He did nothing to rescue them. He's a COWARD

So the other guys died but Chris is THE VICTIM..... WOW

He "DEMANDED HE BE TAKEN BACK TO THE PIPE" .......to who? The nurse. The doctor? Who was taking him back to the pipe? Get up, walk out, and rescue your coworkers... .......HE WAS TOO WEAK TO MOVE........ either he could go back,or he physically couldn't ........ ........(HE WANTED TO RESCUE THE GUYS.. . BUT THE HOSPITAL REFUSED TO DISCHARGE HIM .... I thought he was too weak.........his co-workers are dying in a pipe , but he won't leave without a discharge from the hospital? Was he handcuffed to the bed. Nope. Who needs the hospital to discharge him? Get up and go if u want to save them!

@user-bd3zy6wo7l Are you serious?? He told the men to follow him but they would not because they did not want to risk swimming down the pipe without an airpocket to find an opening, Chris was the only one who was courageous enough to do so and said not to worry and that he would be back with help. He didn't save himself at the expense of others and tries his best to help them! Don't make Chris out to be a dick when he was heroic. If Chris didn't escape then everyone would of died!

@user-bd3zy6wo7l He tried his hardest but was not allowed to go back into the pipe and was in hospital to weak to move he tried all he could dude!

Thanks. It's difficult to navigate when so little is known.

Yes its such a shame.

I’ve been involved in a serious road accident where the driver (my partner) died. I was in and out of consciousness. The survivor guilt is very real and I can’t imagine how he must feel. My thoughts are with everyone. Also I thought the way you narrated the video was incredibly sensitive and thoughtful.

The Health & Safety Nazis prevented the competent workers from attempted a rescue. Reason? It's not safe. That's why we have stand-by divers - to rescue the working divers if they need help. They are specifically trained to rescue their buddies. The buddies know this, & expect to be saved. Safety bureaucrats stopped the divers from doing what they were trained to do. Horror.

@@waterlinestories sir, can you please tell me what's the name of the beat? that starts at 4:00? I need to know. Thxs.

@@chrisshelswell3222 yeah after a whole lot of digging and accusations of a plug failure and my engineering expertise in the safety field we came to the conclusion that we were so mad we had to tell Mark that the guys took the plug out themselves so you're talkin about safety diver guilt this guy is the safety diver he's the only one that made it out. He stood right there is a safety diver and watch those guys take out the plug that suck them down the pipe. I can see what you're saying about survivor guilt. I think about having that all the time because I'm pretty slick about stuff and nobody else seems to measure up. When I was on the boat if something came up that was tricky and dangerous and might get you killed I just flat demanded I take this task nobody else really wanted to be having it forced on them the captain really didn't want the legal obligation of picking a guy for it so I jumped up and told him I got her Captain you can kill me with this boat even if you aren't trying. But whatever the case maybe when you took the name safety diver behind you on the sheet there that would suggest you needed to go out of the way talk to the engineers find out about where the pressures are what the pressure is get the numbers crunched the numbers and if you don't do it you can live with yourself maybe.

Thanks I'm following. It's s tragedy unfolding

How do you know that nothing could have been done?

​@@karlscher5170it's a paid comment by paria probably

Thank you for this candid, objective response, this video truly brought clarity to the event. As citizens we all need to hear the evidence, ALL the evidence and avoid the emotional and politicized responses. I am making the effort to listen to the hearings and read the evidence in spite of the somber and depressing emotions conjured up at times. it seems, based on what I have heard and seen thus far, and in my limited experience in the field that both Paria and LMCS were clearly not prepared for this hazard, therefore the proper emergency response procedure, equipment and man power were not in place to handle the situation. The indecisions, the inaction, the delays are all symptomatic of level of unpreparedness that should not be seen in organizations that have been operating in this sphere for decades. Unfortunately these men paid the price with their lives. May their families be properly compensated, and may our industry practice and policies be improved by the lessons learnt from this incident.

Girl I’m the in the comments wanting to fight people and they are deleting my comments saying oh how they died immediately after Chris came out and how much air they had I linked the enquiry from yesterday with Chris crying like a baby and the go pro audio!!! The autopsies said they were alive for 3 days in the pipe!!! These men were killed and left to die like dogs… if you saw what their bodies looked like on the stretcher!! Black and swollen, tongues out the mouth!!! I Want justice for them … For The families!! #Justicefortheparia5

@@sandywilliams1466 wow I hope the families get justice for this!

Im not surprised. I grew up in South Africa where labour is cheap. Management think in terms of how many people they throw at a project and when you reduce life to numbers it blurs the line between safety and bottom line. Its common in Developing Economies for this mentality to to dominate an industry like mining or oil.

Im pretty sure there will be survivors guilt. It's horrible to think you make such a big promise and the people you have to rely on to execute that promise don't step up. At the same time, I have no idea what they knew about the dangers of sending rescue crew into the pipe. I'll do my best to follow and update but it's likely to be a slow process.

is not obvious? the dead are cheap

It's obvious, clean-ups are allot cheaper than mounting a safe rescue.

Flat out too scared to risk lives. Smh. Yellow asses need to be sued.

According to the support diver who survived. The coast guard only stopped because of paria manger said (nah they dead, don’t bother..yet the survivor was literally talking and praying with all 4 and he’d promised he’d return no matter what) and then they literally impeded him from rescue by force . Again this is at the oil company request

dawg. your a mess.

Lines like this get used in Mexico all the time man. Wouldn’t surprise me

Used for what?

@@johanna006the only people who know are the ones sending it through. Pretty easy to put anything through there and claim the lines unused

Yes they are corrupt

Thanks. I really appreciate that. Exactly what I'm aiming for.

Hey. Ive had a number of people email me and ask me to cover Chris Lemon. Ill do the story because its entered the zeitgeist but I wanted to ask around and see if there is any information or an angle that would be more interesting than 'By the Grace of God'. I dont want to do a copy and paste style video. Do you have any opinions? If so, could you email me paulpnel@gmail.com

@@waterlinestories All the videos discuss what happened to him (in abridged form), but I haven't seen much about HOW they went about recovering him and saving his life and how WHY he was able to miraculously recover (its usually just left to a sentence or two about the frigid water and his metabolic rate slowing down). But besides that, they don't go into detail about his recovery period or anything.

Thanks. Good point.

The investigation is ongoing. I'll wait until we never so three inform we can get before a followe up. Your points are well noted. I'm not sure any of this was in place.

Good point. These are all the questions that need to be answered.

Byford?

Thanks

Thanks for saying so. I appreciate that. Yes there are some stories that need to be told. I take it from your Profile that youre a commercial diver? Dont suppose you have any video or photos I can use to help paint the picture of what its like for you guys?

Yes it’s a huge contrast.

Thank you. I really do appreciate that. I'm doing my best to add information to the stories that is otherwise overlooked. Welcome aboard.

Thanks for saying so. I hope to do them justice.

Yup that's why those safety instructions are written in blood!

Yep. I think that about sums it up. Its probably a faulty inflatable plug that burst as the pressure hit it and then they got swept along.

Water/waste water here in South Australia we always called them bungs. I have no idea why.

@@change_your_oil_regularly4287 It’s called a bung on a whiskey barrel.

@@change_your_oil_regularly4287 a barrel was one of the first things that had a hole in it and the plug in that hole was called a bung. That concept likely transferred to plugging anything like a pipe.

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Brilliant, thanks for watching, welcome aboard

And so it should creep you out. The flow of water is so strong. Even when it's a slow pull it's relentless so you have to fight until you are completely free of the current. Thanks for sharing

@@waterlinestories these are excellent videos btw. i live near a dock, and alot of maritime activity. so its interesting to me to learn about random maritime stuff.

Thanks. The ocean use so vast with such a rich history and yet still so mysterious. I love it

@@waterlinestories the town where i live made loads of iconic ships from the early 1900s pretty cool place. we made the Oriana, HMS dreadnought, IJN kongo, IJN Mikasa and many others. so i know what you mean!

We had one of those on Lake Erie and I was always creeped out about it. People could be found windsurfing in the vicinity of it (back when windsurfing was a thing)

So it happens often.

Thanks

Thanks, welcome aboard

Thanks

Thanks, yes I'm following along.

I hope he does a follow up as well.

Yes . Ill do my best to follow it. But yes, could be a few years.

First day of Investigation Enquiry happened yesterday! Please tune in to hear voices from the pipeline caught on Go pro and what will be the outcome of this investigation. The lone survivor Christopher Boodram gave testimony while breaking down in tears several times. It’s heartbreaking something like this happened in my sweet homeland. The country stands behind the fact that they were left there to die and the heads of the company (Paria) involved in this disaster should be jailed without bail!!

My condolences

Thanks. I really appreciate that.

Continued comment 1 Question: By removing this flange, did the ICT and the diving company know what they were doing and what the consequences would be? Answer: Apparently not, because even a few hours later the ICT was still asking the dive company to draw up a new rescue dive plan. Question: Was the ICT correct by saying that a second delta P could still occur if the plug was not fully deflated? Answer: No Here, in this incident, the delta P was related to the deflation of the obturator and occurred as soon as the pressure inside it became insufficient to hold it in place. Today we know that the plug open/close valve was torn off. This could have happened when the diver opened the said valve with his spanner or more likely because the valve got caught in the retaining chain at the start of the plug movement inside the riser. In any case, in the real situation, it can be said that, as it moved through the pipeline, the plug quickly and completely emptied of its air due to the increasing pressure exerted downstream of it. This means that at the end of the event which, let us remember, lasted about forty seconds, this plug returned to its original shape, that is to say that of a cylinder of about 15 '' of diameter. Obviously, at the time of the incident, no one knew the exact position of the open/close valve and therefore one could also imagine (although this is more than unlikely) that the diver just had time to close it when he realized that something was wrong. This means that in this case, the plug would then have moved in the pipe without the air being able to escape. Could this have resulted in blocking it again? The answer is off course NO because even if the bag was still practically inflated when it started to slip, it would then have been subjected to a higher pressure (2.5 bars) than it had at the start (1.45 bars) and this would have resulted in a strong compression and deformation of its outer envelope and thus a reduction of its volume and its initial diameter. This means that in both cases (open valve or closed valve) the water could easily have circulated between the obturator and the wall of the pipe and therefore could not generate another delta P. Why the ICT (which also included a dive expert) has not come to the same conclusion remains a mystery, but it has resulted in many hours being lost in unnecessary dithering. But let’s assume now that ICT has not banned rescue dives. Would that have changed the course of events? Unfortunately, until 19h00 the potential rescue divers didn’t have the adequate commercial diving equipment. We saw that after the hookah dive which did not yield anything, a second rescue dive, planned to send a scuba diver inside the pipeline with a diving bottle (12 l) equipped with 2 regulators (it is not said, but we can suppose the diver had also planned to take another diving bottle with him). Under such stressful circumstances and due to the difficult progression in the pipeline (feet first travel / portion of pipeline partly without water / wall full of slippery crude oil), the rescue diver would have consumed much more air than in a normal situation which means that with its 2400 litres of air he would have had an autonomy of about 20 minutes, and that during this period of time he should have, if it had found someone, correctly tie the retrieval rope, then give (or place) a diving mask on the head and finally secure a scuba tank properly on his back (or on his stomach depending on the injuries) while making sure it would stay in position during the ascent of the diver in riser, and to finish, he had to guide and return to the riser with the diver. Knowing these parameters, we can say that with a scuba equipment, this rescue would have been very RISKY if the injured diver was found more than +/- 45 m (150 ft.) from the elbow and the risk would have been even higher, as nothing had been planned with the assistants on the dive time and the maximum penetration length in the pipeline. As consequence, it can be safely said that it was a VERY good thing to have aborted this dive. Subsequently, another dive could have been made around 19h00 with this time a 300-foot umbilical. This length would have allowed a penetration of approximately 200 feet after the elbow and would likely have been sufficient to reach the diver which was following Christopher (provided the diver remained in place). The problem here is that once the diver was brought back into the chamber, he should have, after his long dive (> 255 min) at 55 ft. stay there for very long air decompression stop (313-432 minutes) or (83-106) if O² was available, with the high possibility to face a severe decompression accident as this stop would have been made at a depth less than the depth of the table. With the 55 feet table the maximum exposure time is 360 min (6 hours), and this duration was reached at 20h45. This means that from that time, the rescue of the divers would then have become more and more problematic because there was then no longer a decompression table available for such a dive time and therefore the risk of generating a severe or even more serious type 2 accident would have been inevitable. (see next comment)

Continued comment 2 It can therefore be said that, even if the dives had been authorized, the chances of success would have been extremely slim to recover more than one living diver, and even more if the upper extension of the B6 riser had also been installed since from that moment on, no decompression except decompression in the riser would have been possible. Does this mean that whatever was done that day, these four unfortunate divers had very little chance of making it out alive? The answer is unfortunately NO. What was fatal to the four divers was that as time passed they were increasingly saturated with inert gas (nitrogen) and after 20h45 any rescue attempts would more than likely have been doomed to failure. Yet it would have taken very little for them, too, to more than likely be recovered alive from that pipeline. What should have been done as soon as the only survivor returned, would have been to immediately look at the actual depth at which the other divers were confined because that would then have shown that there was going to be a decompression problem very quickly and that to avoid this, it was necessary to reduce the ambient pressure in the pipeline and in the air pockets as quickly as possible. And so the only way to do that without completely flooding the line was to lower the water level in riser B6. This operation could easily have been done by lowering a submerged pump or even an airlift (at the start of the pumping phase) into the riser via the hyperbaric chamber and thus pumping out a certain amount of water (+/- 30 m³) so as to lower the water level in the riser until only about 3 m (10 ft.) of water remained in it, which would then have reduced the absolute pressure in the pipeline to (+ /_1.45 + 0.3) = 1.75 bar. Doing so would not only have allowed the divers to already desaturate their tissues from the maximum pressure, but it would also have had the effect of increasing the volume of air in the pipeline. As we can imagine, these rescue dives would not have been the easiest to do and before they could be done a certain number of points should have been adjusted in order to dive safely. Among these were: Launching and raising of divers: Since a great part of the riser would have been drained out of its water, it would have been essential to install a lifting system in the chamber. This could have been done after the start of pumping during the waiting period for professional equipment. Progress in the pipeline and travel distance: After the incident, no concrete element could say at what distance from the entrance to the riser the divers were. It was therefore essential that the umbilical’s had a sufficient length to at least exceed the central point of the pipeline by a few meters. After the arrival of rescue boats, several umbilical’s of 91 m (300 feet) were available and they could easily have been connected to each other in order to have sufficient length. (To save time, these transformations could have already been done on the way to the site). Another difficulty that should have been faced because of the limited space inside the pipe was the use of the bailout bottle. It would of course have been absolutely inconceivable to deprive the divers of this emergency gas supply, but in this case could it not have been replaced by a smaller bottle such as a pony bottle of 5 or 8 litres. The answer is obviously NO, because an 8 litre at 200 bar (1600 l) would only have provided autonomy of about 10 minutes which would have been insufficient to return from the middle of the pipeline. Indeed, it should be remembered that the only survivor remained approximately 105 minutes in the pipeline. We can assume that just after the incident, a lot of time was lost by the divers to recover from their emotions and to decide to move, but we can decently think that the only surviving diver then took between 30 and 60 minutes to return to the top of the riser. This means that in the event of an incident occurring during the rescue dive, the capacity of a conventional bailout would also have been insufficient because it would only have offered autonomy of approximately 16 minutes. Therefore, for this rescue, it would have been preferable to leave the bailout bottle on the surface while providing the air to the band mask or helmet via a second hose taped to the main umbilical. This technique is frequently used in inshore diving when working in very confined areas where evolution is difficult. The advantage of this technique is that it increases the autonomy of the emergency air because the bailout bottle can then be replaced by a larger one. On the other hand, it is obvious that this technique can only be implemented on condition that the risk analysis demonstrates that during the dive, nothing can fall on the umbilical or hinder it to the point of blocking it and that the only way out for the diver would then be to cut his line. In this incident, with the exception of the 4 scuba tanks (which should have been brought to the surface before progressing further forward), and the plug (which must have been ahead of the divers), no other large obstructions was in the pipeline and therefore the safety conditions were met to leave the emergency gas on the surface. As one can imagine, these rescue dives would not have been easy because to facilitate the return or the recovery of the rescue diver in case of problem, it would have been necessary to progress with the feet first over probably a fairly long distance (+/- 200 m) in a slippery pipeline including also partially filled sections with water which would therefore contain a relatively toxic atmosphere to breathe. At first glance, a logical choice would thus have been to use a diving helmet because it is more waterproof than a 18/28 band mask (MOD-1 not available on the site). But given the type of progression (partially dry environment) it would seem that a band mask would have been preferable because it would have been much lighter and comfortable to move around. With this band mask, the risk of inhaling toxic gas fumes in the waterless sections would have been higher than with a helmet, but to avoid this, it would then have been sufficient to leave the free flow slightly open in such a way to have a continuous flow of fresh air under slight overpressure, as is the case with a hazmat helmet or mask. Eventually, the use of continuous free flow would have had the effect of once again increasing the ambient pressure inside the pipeline and therefore also raising the water level in riser B6. Hence the needs to monitor and pump back the excess water in order to stay below the critical level. On site, no dry diving suit was apparently available. Therefore, to limit as much as possible the contact of the wetsuit and therefore the skin with crude oil, the rescue diver(s) would have had to wear protective clothing (Tyvek or overalls) and more or less waterproof gloves. Finally, and contrary to what has been said by certain diving experts, in NO case could the umbilical have gotten stuck in the roundness of the riser elbow and therefore the immersion of a second diver at the bottom of the riser was ABSOLUTELY not recommended because in the event of a problem it would simply have been necessary to retrieve the diver by pulling on the umbilical rather than sending another rescue diver into the pipeline. If these few suggestions had been followed, and if no divers had been found beyond 200 m, (656 ft.) then the upper extension of the B6 riser could have been installed. This would then have allowed the opening of the B5 riser without any risk of decompression sickness and would then also have permitted to do the rescue from that side. Unfortunately, we see that following the accumulation of errors, things did not end in the right way. RIP dear colleagues.

Many big interests are trying to cover it up thats why

That I believe

Awesome. Thanks for saying so. Which part of SA you from?

I saw some guy in the comments saying that the divers had already died before the survivor came out, as to say that the survivor was wishfully thinking that they are still alive after 6 hours on a 2-3 hour tank of air. He should pay attention before talking shit because as u stated the survivor mentioned they were breathing via pockets of air.

The delta p event lasted for about 40 seconds. The pipeline had a very small slope and after the event it can be estimated (thanks to the Boyles law) that from the B5 riser about 140 m from the 365 m were filled with compressed air (Absolute Pressure: 2,57 bars).

What did they do to get the bodies out that they couldn't do earlier?

@@justincharles6585 I think they were banging on the pipe, letting them know they were alive for at least a day and a half!

​@@johanna006 flushed them out. Had they done that while they were alive I think they would've perished from pressure or suffocate from oil + water. I'm just guessing though

Ah interesting. I couldn't find a definite answer. Thanks for sharing

Thanks for watching

Well this one is fresh. I don't intend to bias the story. I just wanted to share what I think happened from the science side rather than make claims about who did, did not or should have, should not have, when I know nothing about it and not all the facts have surfaced. I have tried some of the suspenseful music in some of my videos. I think the more matter of fact approach feels more like me. But I taught recreational scuba for ten years, I love it. I hope I can tell the story in an informative way so it makes sense rather than just to heighten the tension. Thanks for your comments

@@waterlinestories i dive with my friends. and id hate for one of us to be in one those videos. the idea of thousands of people eating popcorn to the death of myself or my friend is unreal. im specifically referring to channels like mr deified and scary interesting. Ive watched all your videos and have no issues with any of them. hope you have a nice day

@@waterlinestories The thing about these stories is that facts + insights from your personal experience will create a far more engaging video than atmospheric music or dramatic narration ever will. Do what you feel comfortable with & don't be afraid of making it technical... there is a _huge_ audience on KZfaq for highly technical content that's not overdramatised & speculation-free. I'm subbed to a bunch of pure engineering & science channels that have over a million subscribers each, and even the USCSB (US Chemical Safety Board) has a big following for their post-accident industrial safety videos! So you make these as matter-of-fact as you like 👍

Maybe if cave divers did not do so many silly things and ignore warnings and safety stuff then there would not be so many cases to watch. Just as bad as the 8000+ mtr climbers.

@@hexadecimal7300 no its not about how many there are to watch. its about the fact that if you are seeking out and specifically watching videos of individuals dying in caves for no reason other than entertainment, youre morally bankrupt and a coward. Why would you want to watch a video of someone dying then make snide comments about them afterwards? thats sick!

Yes good point. I couldnt find any info on that. These are all the things that need to be investigated.

The other end of that pipe should have had a blank bolted over it and the pipe should have been pressurized to the same pressure as the air in the upside down diving bucket or diving bell. The storyteller has an interesting observation that the plug was there somehow to keep gases from coming out of the pipeline into the diving bell. The opposite was true it was to keep the air from rushing out of the diving bell right out the other end of the pipe. If the other end of the pipe was above sea level then all that air that you pumped into that diving bell is going to gush out that 30-in hole.

Yeah it is sad. Thanks for watching

RIP Fyzal. My condolences to you and your family.

Thanks

Yes. It's difficult to piece together exactly what the set up was. Obviously didn't work.

@@waterlinestories oh ok i thought you were explaining it the way it was done. The way it was drawn out had me thinking that was how it was all set up. I’ll have to keep looking for developments in this whole thing because now I’m real curious about the details.

Yeah I pieced together a few reports and industry expert comments to get the best picture I could. Not much is known right now

Thanks

@kongkruse7881, The last bangs were heard the Saturday at 02h30 near riser B5.

it's such a sad and horrific story, thank you mate for enlightening me on this detail may you be fortunate in whatever you do friend@@francishermans758