If all we had was the Bible would we conclude divine simplicity?

Thank you for the recommandations

@@jordandthornburg yes, i was raised a fundamentalist baptist, just yesterday i found out what divine simplicity is and i can say it is the way i was thinking about God from the begining (maybe not articulated with the “essence” and “substance” and “accidents” and so on.... the part when you say all atributes are the same might be something that i have never though about strictly from a biblical point of view, but is kind of a logical conclusion to all the rest

@@danoctavian8184 ok, why is it a logical conclusion from the rest?

@@jordandthornburg because if there is identity between God’s essence and His existence (it is in God’s nature to exist) and since someone’s attributes are either characterising that someone’s accidents or essence, and since God doesn’t have accident (unnecessary characteristics) all of His attributes are defining His essence. But the divine essence is undivisible into parts and so it follows that all His attributes are identical to one another, all being not only a part, but the whole divine essence.

Well I’ve listened to the message “God Without Passions” twice in a couple hours and I will again. It’s better than dinner. 😊

Isn't it just all equivalizing and philosophy thought. The living God of the Bible is incompatible with this weird platonistic idea of perfection, no?

He did say he would write it on the sympathetic double torus, OOrt cloud, fermie cells of your brain hearts magnetosphere this time so you wouldn't forget ever again. Precession of the sun's Shadow millennial alpha omega equinoxes of the Great YEar when earth's orbits cross the Sun's ecliptic for a 1,000 years not you or Co2 is causing these the birthing pains of this the millennium of climate change end times. Mystery of the 7 star crossings in one rotation of the galactic bulge Jesus held in his hand not you or Co2 is causing global warming.

You would love his book "All That is in God." Also "God Without Parts" but that one is much harder to read and more philosophical but excellent.

@@TheExastrologer Thanks. I am reading Feser’s book the 5 Proofs of God now. I will put his on the list right now.

The Father is the one true God and cause of the other two persons, one begotten of His substance,and one proceeding from His Substance. Augustin Aquinas and other non acients are simplitons

@@joshleibrant5879 The trinity does not negate Divine Simplicity.

Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . : ) . . .

You didn't watch a single minute of the video, did you? Don't rebuke what you don't know. Don't condemn men you haven't listened to. God will hold you to account for your careless words.

@@rebeccaloyd1043 that is aweful accusation based on nothing. i watched the entire video and agree with everything she just said.

Then, scare tactics for unclear consequences for the next 4 minutes.

It sounds nice and great but the modal collapse as consequence is disgusting

If you were correct, then the "God of the Bible" is no true God. Because the First Principle of things - all things - obviously cannot have parts, and there is no distinction between his power and himself, otherwise, where would his power have come from (if the power is not God himself)? From God? Nonsense, as nothing can cause its own power without already having power. And anyway then, again, the First Cause (God) would without any parts, any distinction between powers and substance, essence and accidents, lest another regress resurfaces. Dolezal's God (the true First Principle) cannot be "affected" in the sense that no one can add anything to God which God did not already possess. Because God is always eternally perfect. If something could be genuinely added to God, then there would be something that came to be which did not ultimately come from God. So God isn't really the ultimate source of all perfections. And then God wouldn't have been as perfect as he is in this world had he chosen not to create anything at all, since creation, in your view, adds something - even some value - to God through us. This is bad enough in itself, but it also leads to the problem that God wouldn't have been able to choose not-to-create without thereby being stupid, for to create a world like ours (with creatures which literally add to his glory and value) would always be better than for him to just retain his limited (since it can be exceeded and added to, according to you) perfection, and as such, God, if he is to be rational, would always have to create. Just look at the number of problems your supposed "God of the Bible" introduces: there are eternal, uncreated things which are distinct from God (his power, mercy or justice or whatever other perfections you think he has, which you think are distinct from the Divine Essence); there things that come to be which did not ultimately derive from God (whatever value that we literally add to him, which he did not and does not possess without us); God's essential perfection is limited (since it can be exceeded, literally added to, again, through creation, and which God would not have without having to create or do things); creation is no longer a free, gratuitous act (since if it literally adds value to God, he would be irrational if he chose not to increase in value or glorify himself, and God presumably cannot be irrational)... Your supposed "God of the Bible" is no true God. There's very good reason that all traditional Christian thinkers have historically subscribed to Divine Simplicity. I suggest you take their arguments more seriously.

@@runningdecadeix4780 Well, no one’s saying you have to believe in the God of the Bible. I’m a Western rationalist myself. I’ve just come to recognize that the writers of the Bible weren’t.

@@claumeister1 my bad, then. I'm a rationalist theist myself. But then I'm not persuaded of your view, i.e. that the God of the Bible is not the God of divine simplicity. Because most of the greatest classical theologians thought otherwise, and made ingenious biblical arguments on the topic. However, since I'm not particularly expert at biblical exegesis and knowledge myself, I'm not gonna get into such an argument now.

@@runningdecadeix4780 if they’re classical Christian theists then of course they think the biblical god is the same god. They think that almost by definition. That doesn’t mean anything about it’s truthfulness.

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Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . : ) . . .

Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . : ) . . :)

Amen. There is far too much man made philosophy here. Which is where Aquinas derived his theology

Yeah, it's just nonsensical gibberish. I doubt anyone without a PhD in philosophy has any idea of what he is even saying.

@@Mrm1985100It's not gibberish. I understand what he's saying. I don't have a PhD in anything. I've worked hard to understand theology.

Yes this is a rather heady subject having said that more logic that is implicitly biblical as some of the apologetic argument against biological evolution are implied. An example is the irridusability of God who is without parts as He is t the originator without maker reflected in the irridusability of organs that is in its complexity as it reflects its maker God.This I understand without even high school diploma just A understand the call of This simple God in Christ "repent and believe in the person and finished work of Jesus you will be saved". The thing that I suspect arouses such vitriol against this doctrine is that it challenges ones presuppositions for some, may I suggest that part of learning is not in putting ones position to be challenged but also ones presuppositions that can be the cause of ones distorted view, anyway I hope just suggesting.

All that Dolezal is doing is terming a fact that we find in Scripture. The word “simplicity” isn’t in Scripture, but the concept is there all over the place. The word “Trinity” isn’t there, but it is true nonetheless. If Simplicity were not true, then neither is His eternality (because God would be made of parts which preceded Him), His unchangeableness would not be true (Because He would have started unassembled), His Holiness would not be true, because all creation would only be separated from Him by degrees.

@@waterfowlcoalition7920 it’s not a subject scripture talks about. His eternality is discussed, him being composed of parts (or not) is not. It comes from outside of scripture undoubtedly.

It is what he wrote his doctoral dissertation on and is most qualified to speak about. He does have many other lectures though.

You can find his sermons on sermon audio too, they’re pretty great

@@killercow91 if they are anything like this video then i think i will skip them.