In this video i will demonstrate my monster vacuum plate and i will try to explain all about it. how it works, fixturing, gaskets and vacuum pumps. i will also share few tips.
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@KravchenkoAudioPerth5 жыл бұрын
Good explanation Piotr. I've been using vacuum pumps and various fixtures since 1994. They can make some seemingly impossible work holding tasks very easy. Keep up the great videos. I also use vacuum pumps and closed bags for some funky clamping of various woodworking projects. Mark
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you like my explanation, it mean a lot coming from a guy who is using vacuum fixturing for almost 25 years! You made me curious, you use vacuum bags for gluing/ laminating parts not for fixturing them to cnc machine?
@KravchenkoAudioPerth5 жыл бұрын
@@PiotrFoxWysocki At the moment I don't have a CNC machine. But I have helped a machine shop develop exactly what you have in your video 5 years ago to cut out trim plates for high end loudspeakers. The difference in the vacuum plate is that they used a ball end mill instead of your square end mill. "O"ring material was used for the gasket exactly the way you used your silicone lid gasket. They used a compressed air venturi pump. They had a large compressor already. It was not that noisy. My usage for clamping is on my KZfaq channel if you are interested.
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
thank you for the answer. i will watch your videos!
@katana26655 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your work. Very clearly explained. I was wondering how you prevent the tool from damaging the plate, but you explained that as well. I also really liked the solution for the gaskets...easy to find and cheap. Thanks again.
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
@Chris Donnelly Thank you, I'm close to finish my next video about vacuum fixture, custom made gaskets and milling on it. Its like taking vacuum work holding to the next level :)
@milithemuffin45345 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of reusing seals from food containers. I thought they were made specifically for this plate before you mentioned their origin :D
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
Maybe its not much, but I'm quite proud of this discovery :)
@KeesHessels3 жыл бұрын
Nitrile Rubber Cord 4 - 6 mm and use loctite flex to glue it together
@MarkSlatemYo5 жыл бұрын
Your videos are excellent. Love your machine and the precision of your work, it makes me want to up my own DIY cnc game. Keep em coming, great stuff, mate!
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
Be careful, once you upgrade your cnc, you will keep upgrading it. There is no coming back from that ;)
@owensparks50135 жыл бұрын
Good job 😀 Something we've started doing is using a 3mm thick clear plastic sheet on top of the vac plate. If you're making parts with holes in them then you punch holes in the sheet where the part stays solid to allow the vac through but it won't then let the vac escape. It's surprising how few holes you need. Also allows you to cut thin parts without tabs as you can cut into the plastic sheet without damaging the table and without losing vacuum. I highly recommend this method. Owen S
@activegrip3 жыл бұрын
@Owen Sparks got a link to the plastic your using, sounds interesting
@robertoscalzo73723 жыл бұрын
I’ve enjoyed your explanation and pace Keep up the good work
@thisoldman7142Ай бұрын
Thanks. I am just starting out learning about CNC vacuum clamping. I’ve made a vacuum plate out of HDPE (a plastic commonly found in cutting boards. I do not recommend this material, it doesn’t stay flat after machining.) and could not see how to avoid damaging it while cutting a part. Couldn’t figure out how to make a profile cut without cutting into the vacuum plate. I now understand there is a difference between a vacuum “plate” and vacuum “fixture” and that I need both. The HDPE might be better suited for the “fixture” as It is an “air tight” material able to transfer the vacuum through a hole to the part and I could use an adhesive backed foam weatherstripping for a gasket.
@spanbrecher91072 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. About to build a vacuumplate on my own
@FNSICK3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video! Thank you
@selfdestructint5 жыл бұрын
Your humble video was enjoyed, very useful, already have a vacuum pump and vacuum gauge for carbon fibre manufacturing so will be making some version of this very soon, will definitely be incorporating some of your ideas when I build the bloody router ;)
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it was useful somehow. btw. please try not to spill too much blood over this router, you need some for your self :)
@Mr.X_Dj_Arrow4 жыл бұрын
Really good, love it 😁!!! Well explained to! Please accept my most humble opinion and consider your a genius 👍🙄😉 Thx for sharing this!
@jenspetersen58655 жыл бұрын
Great video - with regards to the seals for food containers, IKEA sells them in loose form in different sizes ans shapes
@justinlaney50032 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Piotr, for the informative video. I've spent hours researching my vacuum table design, and never had so many questions answered in one view. Using a vacuum pump is rare for woodworking CNC tables, but the thought of listening to a shopvac running full time for hours long carves is unacceptable to me. The pressure pot makes total sense, but I think I would feel safer adding a pressure switch to activate the pump if the vacuum pressure gets low. Some of my wood substrates are pourous. I hope you're staying well these 3 years since your post.
@PiotrFoxWysocki2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you found it informative, but I might not work so well for wood.it could if you paint the underside of the wood you will mill. It might be worth it if the milling takes a long time
@3dkiwi9205 жыл бұрын
Awesome as always, another idea to steal :)
@Tresoroeffnung5 жыл бұрын
excellent video. liquid ring pump is also an option! gauge for liquid height migh be useful...
@medienmond5 жыл бұрын
These Things are so useful...
@peterciurea77714 жыл бұрын
you did not explain how the vacuum gets to the part.- the vacuum connection to the plate itself, the underside etc.
@VinothKumar-qo7ry3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing knowledge sir
@stevenrichardson78824 жыл бұрын
Nice presentation, how do you stop the suction from the areas of the vacuum plate that’s not being used?
@CalvinoBear5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, been loving all of the videos you've produced lately. Something I've seen people do with water is 3D print gaskets in soft flexible material. Perhaps that would work for you here? Size might be an issue, but if it worked it would certainly be convenient.
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
actually this is pretty genius idea! so there are 4 ways of sealing a vacuum plate :)
@abdulaziza3 жыл бұрын
Very nice 👍
@jordiedejonge1843 жыл бұрын
Really awesome video! Can you tell me the depth of the grid? I'm planning to use silicone cord with a diameter of 4 millimeter.
@akka47517 ай бұрын
Hello Piotr, thanks for this fantastic explanation :) could you tell me the ratio that you used between the seal and the grooves? if i'm correct the groove is 4mm wide and 3mm deep, but what is the seal dimension?
@23fields5 жыл бұрын
backer rod works good as gasket if you mill the grooves in the plate to work with it. i paid less than 4$ got 20ft of it...it is just closed cell foam round rope looking
@DmitryZaprudnov5 жыл бұрын
Thanx!
@kentvandervelden5 жыл бұрын
Hi Fox, this video is very helpful! I've never worked with a vacuum plate and this cleared up many misunderstandings that I had, not the least of which is that vacuum plates would require some large internal cavity. Looks like all that was needed here is a couple of holes. Is the plate milled from MIC6? Interesting source for gaskets too. Also, I had assumed that the vacuum pump would need to run constantly. I'm looking forward to learning how to use a vacuum plate.
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
recently i had to mill over 400 large pockets in 125x6mm flat bars (you have seen it on instagram) it chattered like crazy even if it was clamped every 10cm all around. this was the reason to make my vacuum plate. and i also need it for my projects. there are few different designs of vacuum plates. mine is the simplest one. I milled it out of 6061 rolled aluminium. there are few cases where you have to run vacuum pump constantly on a very particular designs of vacuum plates. On some videos i have seen on a youtube, people running pump all the time for no good reason on a plate which doesn't require it. once you pulled the vacuum and your gasket doesn't have a leak you don't need to pump any longer.
@scottwillis54345 жыл бұрын
You can see the hole porting vacuum to the top around 3:10.
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! A few additional questions if you please: how's the interior machined, a large pocket (dimensions?) or something more fancy? How do you sealed the two parts of the plate? Wouldn't a filter be welcome on the pump port of the bucket to protect the pump from coolant and particules? Oh and comes to mind that a sensor on the table port triggering an Estop in case of vacuum loss would be a nice security feature don't you think?
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
actually its a single piece vacuum plate. it has drilled long hole from the side and than short hole from the top to connect those two(small hole inside the sealed area at the top, i forget to mention about it.). whatever you see on the video, that is all. i have been thinking about adding a filter inside the pressure pot on the vacuum pump intake. just in case chips get agitated and start flying all around. i guess sensor would be a nice gadget, but i will go with a absolute minimum to do the job properly. if i find that this is a problem than will look for solution.
@scottwillis54345 жыл бұрын
You can see the hole porting vacuum to the top around 3:10.
@zainulabidin41124 жыл бұрын
Sir can you please tell how much the suction force is required for machining the aluminium solid block corresponding to the vacuum pump specification required for this operation . Thanks
@dalebrisson20845 жыл бұрын
still the best
@henmichАй бұрын
Where do you get those blue closed gaskets?
@alexandru-cosminvasile71214 жыл бұрын
you don't open the blue casp... how the vacuum goes into the seal chamber. can you explain please
@aldito575752 жыл бұрын
Hi Piotr! How many Pa does this pump develope?
@TalkieT5 жыл бұрын
Really useful and easy to understand. When you attach the acrylic at 11:34 though it looks non-flat. I presume that's the acrylic already being bent?
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
I stared at 11:34 and only one thing which i can possibly see is a lens distortion. if you could give me a hint where to look, perhaps i could notice it as well
@TalkieT5 жыл бұрын
When pressure is being applied, I am sure the middle of the acrylic comes down more than the very outside of the screen... I wonder if the pressure is distorting the acrylic when it's being applied? I can see a gap between the acrylic and the aluminium at the edge of the screen, but they appear to touch in the middle. Perhaps some open gasket in the spare channels inside the closed gasket would provide some physical support and prevent this (apparent) distortion of the workpiece. (Obviously aluminium at any real thickness wouldn't have this issue)
@no5x9375 жыл бұрын
Great video Piotr ! I've seen many videos on vacuum plate systems but don't remember seeing the separator. Now I see it is necessary. Where can you buy one or are there plans to make one?
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
www.ebay.com/bhp/pressure-pot get one which looks like mine.
@BillyBob-si2db5 жыл бұрын
Piotr, excellent work and video... I am no expert, I understand the basics of the vacuum plate, however, I am curious how you turn off vacuum to the zones that are not within the gasket's parameter, or is there only one port for the vacuum in the center, I really can see what is going on, as your tapped holes are blurring the picture for me, so to speak? Thanks again!
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
sorry for the confusion, i should explain it better. this is a solid piece of aluminium with grid milled on the top. there is one hole for the vacuum inside the gasket parameter. there are few designs of the vacuum plates and this one is the simplest.
@BillyBob-si2db5 жыл бұрын
Okay, that makes sense now. Thank you.
@VencaZajicek3 жыл бұрын
How you're doing Piotr :) May I ask you? what aluminium alloy is your vacuum table made of? is it at least a little scratch resistant? and... did you modify or paint the surface of the table? It looks like some lighter paint maybe? and... the holes for fixturing screws - are they machined through the table or only pockets? Coolant and chips remain standing in them or flow through? thank you, V.
@johnpgerrity5 жыл бұрын
Gold plated toe clamps are awesome! Or are they solid gold to reduce marring the part? Great video :)
@scottwillis54345 жыл бұрын
Probably titanium nitride.
@markkeown95323 жыл бұрын
Nice. How did you drill the long holes from the vacuum tap to the center of the plate?
@PiotrFoxWysocki3 жыл бұрын
drill press and a drill :) i didn't drill to the center just around 10cm deep and then i drilled a small hole from the top.
@activegrip3 жыл бұрын
A great video, thanks. How many litres is the pressure pot? Do you think it matters?, bigger the better? I'm planning on something similar, I will use my air compressor with a venturi valve into the pressure pot, then into the vacuum plate. Fingers crossed!
@PiotrFoxWysocki3 жыл бұрын
My pressure pot was 10 liters. I used it to store large volume of vacuum just in case there is a leak under the part im cutting. Also as a separator for coolant and chips. I guess it should work for the venturi pump as well. So you store your vacuum and turn of the compressor.
@sendguns5 жыл бұрын
I think you might have missed a point, or put another way in the form of a question, does the aluminum vacuum plate consist of two aluminum plates that were milled to cretae the vacuum channels and then "sandwiched" together to create the necessary void space between the two plates? Is this how it's made, or if not, please explain how the air is collected and channeled to the outlet hose that's connected in the rear? And thanks for the great video! Best - Michael
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
this is a solid block of aluminium with groves on the top, those groves work as a vacuum void. i have made another video about vacuum fixture kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m59kZMmru9mUnmg.html i hope it can clarify whole concept a bit better.
@kosmthan3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very nice informations. The 5 CFM pump is good enough for this size of plate?
@PiotrFoxWysocki3 жыл бұрын
Any vacuum pump is enough. It just a matter of tim how long it qould take to have full vacuum. The amout of air it has to suck out is minimal even for masive plates. Vacuum hose will have more air in it than vacuum plate.
@kosmthan3 жыл бұрын
@@PiotrFoxWysocki This type of pumps have a adjustment vacuum pressure regulator in order to stop pump running or is not necessary?
@PiotrFoxWysocki3 жыл бұрын
Nope. You have to put a manual valve on the plate or somwhere after the pump. Because if you turn off the pump you will start loosing the vacuum. Not a big problem really
@danielricaud37833 жыл бұрын
Hello, Can you give me the diameter of the rubber and the width and depth of the groove for a good fit? Thanks
@BrendaEM5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if o-rings could be used in a pinch, as they come in assorted sizes, and can be spliced with cynoacrylate adhesive.
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
Not sure if I understand what you mean.
@BrendaEM5 жыл бұрын
@@PiotrFoxWysocki , for sealing because the come in all sizes, and ends can be glued with crazy glue. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-ring
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
In general, cyanoacrylate is an acrylic resin that rapidly polymerises in the presence of water. so it doesn't sound very flexible.. and as far i remember it crystallizes. I guess it would glue a rubber together but once rubber is compressed it should crack and break off. this is just theoretical divagation, but since I'm not a chemist i would recommend to test if it works and how long.
@KeesHessels3 жыл бұрын
can you not use Nitrile Rubber Cord 4 - 6 mm and use loctite flex to glue it together ? seems a better (and cheaper) solution then buying and disgarding plastic...
@PiotrFoxWysocki3 жыл бұрын
Sure. But the glue point might leak. So just in case, vacuum pump have to be turned on continiously. Beside you might not be able to get nitrite rubber cord easly. But those containers are everywhere. You know. In case of urgency.
@roso12345 жыл бұрын
How deep are your 4 mm grooves? How much should a gasket be sticking above the surface? Thank you!
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
it depends from the shape of the gasket. idea is to have grove deep enough that once you put something on the top gasket compresses to fill the grove and its not pinching on any of the edges. bigger grove bigger gasket and it can stick out more.
@roso12345 жыл бұрын
@@PiotrFoxWysocki thank you for your answer. I will go with 3.2 mm deep for 4 mm wide groove. I will use soft rubber cord, 4 mm. Hopefully that will work.
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
Mill at this depth. Test and than you can run again a bit lower if it's pinching.
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh5 жыл бұрын
Hey! This is not a minesweeper video?
@thetruthyouneedtohear5 жыл бұрын
What brand vise are you using?
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
Chinese vice, more about it you can see on this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m8qgZK1-sMi1mqM.html all the details in the video description
@666Azmodan6664 жыл бұрын
install a good filter in front of the pump so that the dust is not sucked in.
@markayala77525 жыл бұрын
i click like before watching it
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
I only can have hope I didn't disappointed you too much ;)
@Tresoroeffnung5 жыл бұрын
how about the vacuum plate itself? you don't detail making it...?
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
When i made this vacuum plate i was just after chickenpox, I was looking like zombie and last thing on my mind was turning the camera on :) Anyway it would be a very boring video, facing, facing, 2h of slot cutting and milling few holes. I wanted to focus on the idea behind it, rather than how to make one.
@Mtaalas4 жыл бұрын
You should mount that vacuum pump on thick rubber dampers... it's noisy as heck :D
@hasanakinci86025 жыл бұрын
Sie müssen MDF Platten nehmen. Auf Tisch passend schneiden. Tich außen rum mit dichtung verlegen. .gesamte Tisch. Und Schalter einbauen. Ich Arbeite seit 30 Jahre mit Vaccum Tisch. Made in Germany.
@GuyFawkes9115 жыл бұрын
can you show the inside of your vacuum plate?
@PiotrFoxWysocki5 жыл бұрын
actually its a single piece vacuum plate. it has drilled long hole from the side and than short hole from the top to connect those two(small hole inside the sealed area at the top, i forget to mention about it.). whatever you see on the video, that is all is there.
@GuyFawkes9115 жыл бұрын
thanks @@PiotrFoxWysocki So you have just one single vacuum port. I just rewatched part ofthe video. And now I understand. I personally wood and at least one better 2 vaccum ports. So it is possible to hold 2 parts, inner and outer part...
@ArnaudMEURET3 жыл бұрын
You really should explain how the unused holes are isolated from the vacuumed area.
@PiotrFoxWysocki3 жыл бұрын
i thought i did. i fill them up with 2 part silicone. once it sets you can take it in and out from the holes .
@viktorperalta30904 жыл бұрын
I want to apologize for say something bad 😓. I was watching your video and say why you need that stupid container but after the video continue and you say is for dont have the vacuum pump running all the time . Sorry great hack so I can save electricity and of course money
@jordiedejonge1843 жыл бұрын
Really awesome video! Can you tell me the depth of the grid? I'm planning to use silicone cord with a diameter of 4 millimeter.
@PiotrFoxWysocki3 жыл бұрын
i would start with 3.3mm. because when you squeeze silicone cord will fill the whole square cavity. if it doesn't fully fit. than you try deeper. i did mine on 3.5 i think.