DIY CNC vacuum plate - Tips and tricks

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Piotr Fox Wysocki

Piotr Fox Wysocki

5 жыл бұрын

In this video i will demonstrate my monster vacuum plate and i will try to explain all about it. how it works, fixturing, gaskets and vacuum pumps. i will also share few tips.

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@KravchenkoAudioPerth
@KravchenkoAudioPerth 5 жыл бұрын
Good explanation Piotr. I've been using vacuum pumps and various fixtures since 1994. They can make some seemingly impossible work holding tasks very easy. Keep up the great videos. I also use vacuum pumps and closed bags for some funky clamping of various woodworking projects. Mark
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you like my explanation, it mean a lot coming from a guy who is using vacuum fixturing for almost 25 years! You made me curious, you use vacuum bags for gluing/ laminating parts not for fixturing them to cnc machine?
@KravchenkoAudioPerth
@KravchenkoAudioPerth 5 жыл бұрын
@@PiotrFoxWysocki At the moment I don't have a CNC machine. But I have helped a machine shop develop exactly what you have in your video 5 years ago to cut out trim plates for high end loudspeakers. The difference in the vacuum plate is that they used a ball end mill instead of your square end mill. "O"ring material was used for the gasket exactly the way you used your silicone lid gasket. They used a compressed air venturi pump. They had a large compressor already. It was not that noisy. My usage for clamping is on my KZfaq channel if you are interested.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
thank you for the answer. i will watch your videos!
@katana2665
@katana2665 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your work. Very clearly explained. I was wondering how you prevent the tool from damaging the plate, but you explained that as well. I also really liked the solution for the gaskets...easy to find and cheap. Thanks again.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
@Chris Donnelly Thank you, I'm close to finish my next video about vacuum fixture, custom made gaskets and milling on it. Its like taking vacuum work holding to the next level :)
@milithemuffin4534
@milithemuffin4534 5 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of reusing seals from food containers. I thought they were made specifically for this plate before you mentioned their origin :D
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe its not much, but I'm quite proud of this discovery :)
@KeesHessels
@KeesHessels 3 жыл бұрын
Nitrile Rubber Cord 4 - 6 mm and use loctite flex to glue it together
@MarkSlatemYo
@MarkSlatemYo 5 жыл бұрын
Your videos are excellent. Love your machine and the precision of your work, it makes me want to up my own DIY cnc game. Keep em coming, great stuff, mate!
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
Be careful, once you upgrade your cnc, you will keep upgrading it. There is no coming back from that ;)
@owensparks5013
@owensparks5013 5 жыл бұрын
Good job 😀 Something we've started doing is using a 3mm thick clear plastic sheet on top of the vac plate. If you're making parts with holes in them then you punch holes in the sheet where the part stays solid to allow the vac through but it won't then let the vac escape. It's surprising how few holes you need. Also allows you to cut thin parts without tabs as you can cut into the plastic sheet without damaging the table and without losing vacuum. I highly recommend this method. Owen S
@activegrip
@activegrip 3 жыл бұрын
@Owen Sparks got a link to the plastic your using, sounds interesting
@robertoscalzo7372
@robertoscalzo7372 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve enjoyed your explanation and pace Keep up the good work
@thisoldman7142
@thisoldman7142 Ай бұрын
Thanks. I am just starting out learning about CNC vacuum clamping. I’ve made a vacuum plate out of HDPE (a plastic commonly found in cutting boards. I do not recommend this material, it doesn’t stay flat after machining.) and could not see how to avoid damaging it while cutting a part. Couldn’t figure out how to make a profile cut without cutting into the vacuum plate. I now understand there is a difference between a vacuum “plate” and vacuum “fixture” and that I need both. The HDPE might be better suited for the “fixture” as It is an “air tight” material able to transfer the vacuum through a hole to the part and I could use an adhesive backed foam weatherstripping for a gasket.
@spanbrecher9107
@spanbrecher9107 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. About to build a vacuumplate on my own
@FNSICK
@FNSICK 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video! Thank you
@selfdestructint
@selfdestructint 5 жыл бұрын
Your humble video was enjoyed, very useful, already have a vacuum pump and vacuum gauge for carbon fibre manufacturing so will be making some version of this very soon, will definitely be incorporating some of your ideas when I build the bloody router ;)
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it was useful somehow. btw. please try not to spill too much blood over this router, you need some for your self :)
@Mr.X_Dj_Arrow
@Mr.X_Dj_Arrow 4 жыл бұрын
Really good, love it 😁!!! Well explained to! Please accept my most humble opinion and consider your a genius 👍🙄😉 Thx for sharing this!
@jenspetersen5865
@jenspetersen5865 5 жыл бұрын
Great video - with regards to the seals for food containers, IKEA sells them in loose form in different sizes ans shapes
@justinlaney5003
@justinlaney5003 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Piotr, for the informative video. I've spent hours researching my vacuum table design, and never had so many questions answered in one view. Using a vacuum pump is rare for woodworking CNC tables, but the thought of listening to a shopvac running full time for hours long carves is unacceptable to me. The pressure pot makes total sense, but I think I would feel safer adding a pressure switch to activate the pump if the vacuum pressure gets low. Some of my wood substrates are pourous. I hope you're staying well these 3 years since your post.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you found it informative, but I might not work so well for wood.it could if you paint the underside of the wood you will mill. It might be worth it if the milling takes a long time
@3dkiwi920
@3dkiwi920 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome as always, another idea to steal :)
@Tresoroeffnung
@Tresoroeffnung 5 жыл бұрын
excellent video. liquid ring pump is also an option! gauge for liquid height migh be useful...
@medienmond
@medienmond 5 жыл бұрын
These Things are so useful...
@peterciurea7771
@peterciurea7771 4 жыл бұрын
you did not explain how the vacuum gets to the part.- the vacuum connection to the plate itself, the underside etc.
@VinothKumar-qo7ry
@VinothKumar-qo7ry 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing knowledge sir
@stevenrichardson7882
@stevenrichardson7882 4 жыл бұрын
Nice presentation, how do you stop the suction from the areas of the vacuum plate that’s not being used?
@CalvinoBear
@CalvinoBear 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, been loving all of the videos you've produced lately. Something I've seen people do with water is 3D print gaskets in soft flexible material. Perhaps that would work for you here? Size might be an issue, but if it worked it would certainly be convenient.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
actually this is pretty genius idea! so there are 4 ways of sealing a vacuum plate :)
@abdulaziza
@abdulaziza 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice 👍
@jordiedejonge184
@jordiedejonge184 3 жыл бұрын
Really awesome video! Can you tell me the depth of the grid? I'm planning to use silicone cord with a diameter of 4 millimeter.
@akka4751
@akka4751 7 ай бұрын
Hello Piotr, thanks for this fantastic explanation :) could you tell me the ratio that you used between the seal and the grooves? if i'm correct the groove is 4mm wide and 3mm deep, but what is the seal dimension?
@23fields
@23fields 5 жыл бұрын
backer rod works good as gasket if you mill the grooves in the plate to work with it. i paid less than 4$ got 20ft of it...it is just closed cell foam round rope looking
@DmitryZaprudnov
@DmitryZaprudnov 5 жыл бұрын
Thanx!
@kentvandervelden
@kentvandervelden 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Fox, this video is very helpful! I've never worked with a vacuum plate and this cleared up many misunderstandings that I had, not the least of which is that vacuum plates would require some large internal cavity. Looks like all that was needed here is a couple of holes. Is the plate milled from MIC6? Interesting source for gaskets too. Also, I had assumed that the vacuum pump would need to run constantly. I'm looking forward to learning how to use a vacuum plate.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
recently i had to mill over 400 large pockets in 125x6mm flat bars (you have seen it on instagram) it chattered like crazy even if it was clamped every 10cm all around. this was the reason to make my vacuum plate. and i also need it for my projects. there are few different designs of vacuum plates. mine is the simplest one. I milled it out of 6061 rolled aluminium. there are few cases where you have to run vacuum pump constantly on a very particular designs of vacuum plates. On some videos i have seen on a youtube, people running pump all the time for no good reason on a plate which doesn't require it. once you pulled the vacuum and your gasket doesn't have a leak you don't need to pump any longer.
@scottwillis5434
@scottwillis5434 5 жыл бұрын
You can see the hole porting vacuum to the top around 3:10.
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! A few additional questions if you please: how's the interior machined, a large pocket (dimensions?) or something more fancy? How do you sealed the two parts of the plate? Wouldn't a filter be welcome on the pump port of the bucket to protect the pump from coolant and particules? Oh and comes to mind that a sensor on the table port triggering an Estop in case of vacuum loss would be a nice security feature don't you think?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
actually its a single piece vacuum plate. it has drilled long hole from the side and than short hole from the top to connect those two(small hole inside the sealed area at the top, i forget to mention about it.). whatever you see on the video, that is all. i have been thinking about adding a filter inside the pressure pot on the vacuum pump intake. just in case chips get agitated and start flying all around. i guess sensor would be a nice gadget, but i will go with a absolute minimum to do the job properly. if i find that this is a problem than will look for solution.
@scottwillis5434
@scottwillis5434 5 жыл бұрын
You can see the hole porting vacuum to the top around 3:10.
@zainulabidin4112
@zainulabidin4112 4 жыл бұрын
Sir can you please tell how much the suction force is required for machining the aluminium solid block corresponding to the vacuum pump specification required for this operation . Thanks
@dalebrisson2084
@dalebrisson2084 5 жыл бұрын
still the best
@henmich
@henmich Ай бұрын
Where do you get those blue closed gaskets?
@alexandru-cosminvasile7121
@alexandru-cosminvasile7121 4 жыл бұрын
you don't open the blue casp... how the vacuum goes into the seal chamber. can you explain please
@aldito57575
@aldito57575 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Piotr! How many Pa does this pump develope?
@TalkieT
@TalkieT 5 жыл бұрын
Really useful and easy to understand. When you attach the acrylic at 11:34 though it looks non-flat. I presume that's the acrylic already being bent?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
I stared at 11:34 and only one thing which i can possibly see is a lens distortion. if you could give me a hint where to look, perhaps i could notice it as well
@TalkieT
@TalkieT 5 жыл бұрын
When pressure is being applied, I am sure the middle of the acrylic comes down more than the very outside of the screen... I wonder if the pressure is distorting the acrylic when it's being applied? I can see a gap between the acrylic and the aluminium at the edge of the screen, but they appear to touch in the middle. Perhaps some open gasket in the spare channels inside the closed gasket would provide some physical support and prevent this (apparent) distortion of the workpiece. (Obviously aluminium at any real thickness wouldn't have this issue)
@no5x937
@no5x937 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Piotr ! I've seen many videos on vacuum plate systems but don't remember seeing the separator. Now I see it is necessary. Where can you buy one or are there plans to make one?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
www.ebay.com/bhp/pressure-pot get one which looks like mine.
@BillyBob-si2db
@BillyBob-si2db 5 жыл бұрын
Piotr, excellent work and video... I am no expert, I understand the basics of the vacuum plate, however, I am curious how you turn off vacuum to the zones that are not within the gasket's parameter, or is there only one port for the vacuum in the center, I really can see what is going on, as your tapped holes are blurring the picture for me, so to speak? Thanks again!
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
sorry for the confusion, i should explain it better. this is a solid piece of aluminium with grid milled on the top. there is one hole for the vacuum inside the gasket parameter. there are few designs of the vacuum plates and this one is the simplest.
@BillyBob-si2db
@BillyBob-si2db 5 жыл бұрын
Okay, that makes sense now. Thank you.
@VencaZajicek
@VencaZajicek 3 жыл бұрын
How you're doing Piotr :) May I ask you? what aluminium alloy is your vacuum table made of? is it at least a little scratch resistant? and... did you modify or paint the surface of the table? It looks like some lighter paint maybe? and... the holes for fixturing screws - are they machined through the table or only pockets? Coolant and chips remain standing in them or flow through? thank you, V.
@johnpgerrity
@johnpgerrity 5 жыл бұрын
Gold plated toe clamps are awesome! Or are they solid gold to reduce marring the part? Great video :)
@scottwillis5434
@scottwillis5434 5 жыл бұрын
Probably titanium nitride.
@markkeown9532
@markkeown9532 3 жыл бұрын
Nice. How did you drill the long holes from the vacuum tap to the center of the plate?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 3 жыл бұрын
drill press and a drill :) i didn't drill to the center just around 10cm deep and then i drilled a small hole from the top.
@activegrip
@activegrip 3 жыл бұрын
A great video, thanks. How many litres is the pressure pot? Do you think it matters?, bigger the better? I'm planning on something similar, I will use my air compressor with a venturi valve into the pressure pot, then into the vacuum plate. Fingers crossed!
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 3 жыл бұрын
My pressure pot was 10 liters. I used it to store large volume of vacuum just in case there is a leak under the part im cutting. Also as a separator for coolant and chips. I guess it should work for the venturi pump as well. So you store your vacuum and turn of the compressor.
@sendguns
@sendguns 5 жыл бұрын
I think you might have missed a point, or put another way in the form of a question, does the aluminum vacuum plate consist of two aluminum plates that were milled to cretae the vacuum channels and then "sandwiched" together to create the necessary void space between the two plates? Is this how it's made, or if not, please explain how the air is collected and channeled to the outlet hose that's connected in the rear? And thanks for the great video! Best - Michael
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
this is a solid block of aluminium with groves on the top, those groves work as a vacuum void. i have made another video about vacuum fixture kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m59kZMmru9mUnmg.html i hope it can clarify whole concept a bit better.
@kosmthan
@kosmthan 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very nice informations. The 5 CFM pump is good enough for this size of plate?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 3 жыл бұрын
Any vacuum pump is enough. It just a matter of tim how long it qould take to have full vacuum. The amout of air it has to suck out is minimal even for masive plates. Vacuum hose will have more air in it than vacuum plate.
@kosmthan
@kosmthan 3 жыл бұрын
@@PiotrFoxWysocki This type of pumps have a adjustment vacuum pressure regulator in order to stop pump running or is not necessary?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. You have to put a manual valve on the plate or somwhere after the pump. Because if you turn off the pump you will start loosing the vacuum. Not a big problem really
@danielricaud3783
@danielricaud3783 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, Can you give me the diameter of the rubber and the width and depth of the groove for a good fit? Thanks
@BrendaEM
@BrendaEM 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if o-rings could be used in a pinch, as they come in assorted sizes, and can be spliced with cynoacrylate adhesive.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure if I understand what you mean.
@BrendaEM
@BrendaEM 5 жыл бұрын
@@PiotrFoxWysocki , for sealing because the come in all sizes, and ends can be glued with crazy glue. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-ring
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
In general, cyanoacrylate is an acrylic resin that rapidly polymerises in the presence of water. so it doesn't sound very flexible.. and as far i remember it crystallizes. I guess it would glue a rubber together but once rubber is compressed it should crack and break off. this is just theoretical divagation, but since I'm not a chemist i would recommend to test if it works and how long.
@KeesHessels
@KeesHessels 3 жыл бұрын
can you not use Nitrile Rubber Cord 4 - 6 mm and use loctite flex to glue it together ? seems a better (and cheaper) solution then buying and disgarding plastic...
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 3 жыл бұрын
Sure. But the glue point might leak. So just in case, vacuum pump have to be turned on continiously. Beside you might not be able to get nitrite rubber cord easly. But those containers are everywhere. You know. In case of urgency.
@roso1234
@roso1234 5 жыл бұрын
How deep are your 4 mm grooves? How much should a gasket be sticking above the surface? Thank you!
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
it depends from the shape of the gasket. idea is to have grove deep enough that once you put something on the top gasket compresses to fill the grove and its not pinching on any of the edges. bigger grove bigger gasket and it can stick out more.
@roso1234
@roso1234 5 жыл бұрын
@@PiotrFoxWysocki thank you for your answer. I will go with 3.2 mm deep for 4 mm wide groove. I will use soft rubber cord, 4 mm. Hopefully that will work.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
Mill at this depth. Test and than you can run again a bit lower if it's pinching.
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 5 жыл бұрын
Hey! This is not a minesweeper video?
@thetruthyouneedtohear
@thetruthyouneedtohear 5 жыл бұрын
What brand vise are you using?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
Chinese vice, more about it you can see on this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m8qgZK1-sMi1mqM.html all the details in the video description
@666Azmodan666
@666Azmodan666 4 жыл бұрын
install a good filter in front of the pump so that the dust is not sucked in.
@markayala7752
@markayala7752 5 жыл бұрын
i click like before watching it
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
I only can have hope I didn't disappointed you too much ;)
@Tresoroeffnung
@Tresoroeffnung 5 жыл бұрын
how about the vacuum plate itself? you don't detail making it...?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
When i made this vacuum plate i was just after chickenpox, I was looking like zombie and last thing on my mind was turning the camera on :) Anyway it would be a very boring video, facing, facing, 2h of slot cutting and milling few holes. I wanted to focus on the idea behind it, rather than how to make one.
@Mtaalas
@Mtaalas 4 жыл бұрын
You should mount that vacuum pump on thick rubber dampers... it's noisy as heck :D
@hasanakinci8602
@hasanakinci8602 5 жыл бұрын
Sie müssen MDF Platten nehmen. Auf Tisch passend schneiden. Tich außen rum mit dichtung verlegen. .gesamte Tisch. Und Schalter einbauen. Ich Arbeite seit 30 Jahre mit Vaccum Tisch. Made in Germany.
@GuyFawkes911
@GuyFawkes911 5 жыл бұрын
can you show the inside of your vacuum plate?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 5 жыл бұрын
actually its a single piece vacuum plate. it has drilled long hole from the side and than short hole from the top to connect those two(small hole inside the sealed area at the top, i forget to mention about it.). whatever you see on the video, that is all is there.
@GuyFawkes911
@GuyFawkes911 5 жыл бұрын
thanks @@PiotrFoxWysocki So you have just one single vacuum port. I just rewatched part ofthe video. And now I understand. I personally wood and at least one better 2 vaccum ports. So it is possible to hold 2 parts, inner and outer part...
@ArnaudMEURET
@ArnaudMEURET 3 жыл бұрын
You really should explain how the unused holes are isolated from the vacuumed area.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 3 жыл бұрын
i thought i did. i fill them up with 2 part silicone. once it sets you can take it in and out from the holes .
@viktorperalta3090
@viktorperalta3090 4 жыл бұрын
I want to apologize for say something bad 😓. I was watching your video and say why you need that stupid container but after the video continue and you say is for dont have the vacuum pump running all the time . Sorry great hack so I can save electricity and of course money
@jordiedejonge184
@jordiedejonge184 3 жыл бұрын
Really awesome video! Can you tell me the depth of the grid? I'm planning to use silicone cord with a diameter of 4 millimeter.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 3 жыл бұрын
i would start with 3.3mm. because when you squeeze silicone cord will fill the whole square cavity. if it doesn't fully fit. than you try deeper. i did mine on 3.5 i think.
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