No. Hes a character. Stop it

@@tonyb7615 youre quite the character too but you dont see ME complaining

He'd also probably walk out with every woman in that bar and maybe a few of the men too lol

@@feyfolken1655 i can get behind bisexual dante

@@feyfolken1655 meh probably not

Probably a lot of people at Capcom who couldn't speak publicly.

@@SapphireSword-pd1ix Kojima is also not precisely an entirely blameless party either IMO. Konami was doing him dirt but Kojima refused to relent either. Both sides were basically bulls ramming into each other to see who was superior. On the Konami issue I'd say Igarashi was done dirty whileKojima just got just desserts for his excessive spending.

Amazing to think that a decade ago, everyone thought Inafune leaving Capcom and funding MN9 was an instance of fans and creators getting what they wanted and sticking it to the 'big, evil tyrannical game companies.' How little we fucking knew at the time... or just refused to acknowledge about Inafune.

lolrus555 Now look, Capcom is on top of the world right now. They’ve been hashing out hit after hit. Then they also released Megaman 11. Meanwhile comcept occasionally helps out with or makes games and not a single peep has been heard from them.

And the worst

Then it’s a good thing they did it exponentially better in DMC5, huh?

Honestly? I had enjoyed the game up until that infamous sniper rifle scene. What in the hell was Tameem Antoniades thinking when he added that? 🤨🤣

V is cool but I despise DMCV Nero

@@stevencontreras84 cool

@@stevencontreras84 Im curious as to the resson

@@stevencontreras84 How? He actually has a personality scene that isn't just KYRIE

@@KaitouKaiju it changed from KYRIE to him being the whole game triggered because Dante called him dead weight

@@Jose-se9pu If that cutscene really is Capcom's "not in a million years" jab at Ninja Theory, it is the absolute best.

Because styles and movements founded/popular deacades ago can't be relevant in the present day, oh no.

@@batmangovno You do realize that either way, the point the developer made is flawed.

They're half right, what's old becomes cool again after about 20 years.

Cuz weeaboos and trenchcoats will be cool forever

I almost want to think they did the cowboy hat thing in DMC5 as a 'screw you' to that tasteless Brookback Mountain joke.

Good one 😂😂😂

Cowboy hat go brrrt

Wacky Woo Hoo Pizza Man laughs in Tameem's face.

@@dynostretch9215 Dante said 'I'll take that'. Its done as a homage and self parody, not ill will.

Dropping the use of vitality stars in favor of just adding more yellow orbs was perhaps the major example of this.

orbs. that's onimusha.

it sold for shit. i remember what a shit show it was. there was no newcomers.

@@tonyb7615 pretty sure orbs is more than just exclusively for onimusha

@@tonyb7615 how much did it sell

Yeah I laugh inside of a cowboy hat all the time too.

@@monumentvalley6681 very funny smart arse XD

That was great, Tameem probably pissed when he saw everyone enjoying dmc5

Please god, yes.

I don't think much really happun. Sakamoto just wanted Samus to more waifu-y and it was a bad idea.

@@nooneinparticular5273 based

@@nooneinparticular5273 To the point where Team Ninja of all developers told him to tone it down.

@@DrZuluGaming Man, I am the wrong person to ask what went through his head when he for some reason thought making a cool badass hot lady into a schoolgirl was a good idea.

The 360° No Scope Abortion

SyxxPunk nah he used the sights

Even with the vastly superior definitive edition that’s still a terrible scene

Coleco 84 Gilver (Vergil’s mummy alter ego) straight up shot gunned an old lady so idk what your on about

@@bishop6881 I was being cheeky (and quoting Karl Smallwood of Fact Fiend when he mentioned it in his DmC video)

@meme is my life agreed. The dmc story is just going nowhere.

I haven't played 5 yet. Not interested as much. I wanted DmC 2 instead. Better story and loved the direction more. 2 sucked, 4 wasn't great. Why would I want that to continue?

So just gonna ignore 1 and 3 huh

@@I_Am_The_Social_Reject DmC almost killed the franchise lol

@@I_Am_The_Social_Reject the story of DmC sucked ass.

@@JangoTheBlueFox He absolutely should've.

Hell yeah to that guy, a true gamer right there. Although you did buy DMC2 technically, sooooo

DmC >>>>>>>> DMC2 not gonna lie. Still, at least you got DMC1 and DMC3.

@@devindalton4688 2 outta 3 is a good ratio

The contrary for me, I was hunting for games and the guy at the store said "Hey, this one's pretty cool". And effectively, I enjoyed the heck out of it. With no other reference to the series as a whole I just found a fairly accessible action game with lots of variety and good enough graphics. Visually, thematically and story wise, DmC is a pretty odd game, but I still find it mechanically pleasing.

@@therasslintheatre2960 el exterminados de demonios

@@therasslintheatre2960 Donté*

This is a textbook case of screwing yourself over by getting defensive when faced with legitimate criticism. It was Capcom's idea to have a radically different take on the series, the dev team wanted to be more faithful, but when the backlash hit they kept doubling down until they took ownership of Capcom's terrible decisions.

@@mariokarter13 When you failed to see that Capcom wanted a different take on the series but they had nothing to do with the plot and dialogues on this game. It's all on NT. A textbook case of an ignorant.

@Jonathan Soko Nobody cares. This is about how it scared off fans and didn't attract new ones (as the sales figures show), not about how the game is better than you thought if you play the definitive edition on Hardcore mode, skip all the cutscenes to try and avoid the joyless edge, and give up on the game having as much depth as DMC3/4/5, the exploration of which being the whole point of these types of games.

🤣🤣 NG 3 the worst 🤢

@@mejrikais7432 I agree, I had to cancel pre-order back than after I heard the horrible reviews it got. Yosuke Hayashi, took the backlash really seriously & re-built the game from the ground up, leaving the original story intact. Re-releasing it as Ninja Gaiden 3: Razors Edge.

@@Comkill117 >NG3 is somehow even worse than DMC2 I refuse to believe such a thing.

My condolences

@@Sines314 Itsuno reportedly nearly quit Capcom after DmC came out and when they begged him to stay his one request was to make DMC5

I screamed Rugrats when I heard it too :')

also, VERGIL WEARING A FUCKING *FEDORA*

**glances to Dynasty Warriors 9** I guess some people learn slower than others.

@@SakurakoLover only difference is cod was actually good for awhile. I can't think of too many Japanese developed games that were all that great in the 7th generation.

Zazon Zenzy Blame Inafune. He wanted to push for more Western developed stuff. That’s why Dead Rising 2, Lost Planet 3 (which doesn’t exist btw) and a whole bunch Japanese games got Western developed sequels. Capcom ate that shit up and realized too late. Honestly fuck him.

ALSO most western devs REFUSED (out of fucking arrogance, I assume) the black magic engine that was MT Framework for the plain ass unreal engine 3. Especially when it was at its peak and Capcom even offered to translate it for them. WHAT THE FUCK. This is the one thing that makes me the mega shitting mad because look at all these fucking arrogant game devs and their games: they didn’t age well, their art styles look like SHIT, they play like SHIT. DmC looks fucking ugly even with the Definitive edition. Dead Rising 2 was ...eh, I like it but it didn’t have the charm that the first game had. This is the last time I’ll acknowledge its existence but LP3 looks like The Last of Us and Dead Space without a single iota of anything unique. Now compare it to their predecessors! LP2 is one of the most unique shooters that will ever come out and will stand the test of fucking time, I play it bi-yearly just to experience it all over again. The same could be said for both Dead Rising and the og DMC series. I’m sorry for ranting but I still mourn for the loss of such potential. But I’m glad we’re experiencing a resurgence, starting with DMC5. I sincerely hope we’ll get the proper sequels that we deserve, someday.

Ah yes, I remember that awkward age as a gamer in japan. Around that time, everybody started to play western games because japanese games were suddenly bad (probably due to those HD development). Not long after that, the developers started to pump out those "rebooted for western audiences" games, which was just awkward so we bought their games even less. Then mobile games happened, then steam. 7tth gen pretty much was the moment japanese game industry fell apart.

if ninja theory treated it like how bayonetta was treated and make it its own separate franchise, no one would have complained at all. sure, you see comparisons between bayonetta and devil may cry but not many talk about how bayo is a rip off of the other

That's what I did with the first Lords of Shadow. I just ripped off the Castlevania label and now its one of my favorite dark Gothic adventure games.

I don't know why this game gets so much hate. It's a dope game. Dope characters. Dope story. I like what they did with it. I really wish they had carried on with it as a parallel thing. It really sucks that they didn't.

@@Gemini3K It's not a dope game. It has no dope characters or story. DmC is a mediocre action game, nothing more nothing less

If DmC was it's own thing it would have been completely shafted. DmC is just a mediocre action game, without the devil may cry license and the controversy it would have been one of the most forgettable games ever made. There is no saving grace for a game with low quality characters, story and much lower quality gameplay than the competition (DmC would still be compared to DMC even if it was it's own thing). Even Hellblade propably NTs best game is quite forgettable let alone something like DmC

Rarely Comment . . . Fans rarely know what’s good for them

Especially the fans who will actually buy your games

@@oddjob914 They do when they pay the bills

@@logicaloverdrive8197 no

Anime fan on prom night moment

AkumaKristian he’s a goofy weirdo, which is a part of why he’s badass.

@@Slop_Dogg Exactly. It isn't really that he's "cool", he's just really fun. Though from what I understand that is due in part to Reuben Langdon's portrayal of the character from 3 onward. (which makes the western focus of DMC even more hilarious since Langdon is, y'know, American)

@@Jose-se9pu Thank you. The "rarely if ever" bit was due to me not having played all the games. I didn't want to say he doesn't and have some obscure scene from DMC 2 get pointed out to me or something. Also I haven't actually played 5 yet. (though I do plan to)

the thing is, if dante went to a bar and someone laughed at his coat, his response would be to execute the demon he went in there for, make a "laugh at that" quip to the person who laughed and then fucking leave because he has better things to deal with. and then whine to trish about it the entire way home, but that would be in private.

Dante does drink, but rarely. It was shown in the lesser canon mediums like the ED in the anime and tge novels. But even then, he's only shown to drink for a reason, not recreation. In the ED he's drinking while reminiscing about his family and in the novel it's done for... Let's say social interactions. The point is, no matter ho badass or cool he looks, Dante's still first and foremost a kind-hearted mumma's boy. And we love him for it.

Stop. The gameplay was just as good. The issue was the characters and them trying to replace established lore. The gameplay stayed true to the series and was even smoother than how Dante played in 4. The same cannot be said for Banjo as Nuts and Bolts fundamentally changed everything about the characters AND the gameplay.

Well put, 100% agree

@@mcfry13 I would say dantes gameplay in 4 is better than DmCs because in DmC the gameplay is too easy where as in 4 you could play dante in a variety of ways and pull off complex but enjoyable moves to help you get better and challenge you. DmC's gameplay gets rid of that challenge and now you can spam the same attack to keep up your style meter

press x. you cant lose if you mash x.

i would also like to put the 343 halo games and coalition gears of war games in that category as well. yes i know those are made by different companies and are different genres but the same comparison can still be made.

Yeah if he actually entered a bar, the people that would laugh at him would probably decide not to since his sword is half the size of him and he's got two guns specifically made for his fast trigger fingers so, yeah.

That Spanish sub makes the dialogue bearable

Imagine how much different DMC-DMC would've been if someone had shown Ninja Theory that Deviantart already existed during the development stages of the game.

Ever notice that people who make claims to that, in that a classic character or setting is too old or whatever, always winds up making horribly dated replacements? I ALWAYS laugh when shit like that happens because it just shows how out of touch the people who say that are as well as something else that always seems to be the crux of that. In the end, they always just replace everything that winds up being tied into their own personal wants and self-inserts. It just keeps hitting that pattern. "Well, this OOOOOLD series is old because it doesn't have MY unique touch or vision! And you know what would be better? If the character were like ME! And I was the one doing the things! If I were the (insert main character here), I wouldn't do that stuff! I would do that instead and beat the boss in 2 seconds because I'M so cooooool!" Every, Single. Time.

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid That is so true. Just look at all the shitty remakea of foreign movies

I call him Trailer trash Dante

Not far off.

@vineapplepizza the DNA of the soul

Year late, but look up Illbleed. It's... a game. EDIT: I had forgotten that the end of the video mentioned the footage was from Illbleed, whoops. Still, Illbleed is a hell of a thing.

Ok then, tell me what's the game at 0:14

ILLBLEED is a trip. While it's super clunky, I think if given a sequel with modern work itd be a neat game. Loved that game, but I cant recommend a playthrough because of the controls.

JIMMY!!!

Also, the controls are clunky but it's not like it's unplayable, old school Resident evil titles were much worse

It's more of a joke, isn't it?

Then you realize that there is a white patch growing in dante's hair

I don't see how sniping a fetus to abort against the mother's will isn't methodical.

Tbf, he looked sharp

> Honourable He's unleashed the hordes of Hell to decimate humanity. Twice.

@@lugbzurg8987 He also ripped off a dudes arm and threw away his humanity just because he was salty that he can't beat Dante. Vergil is a lot of things, honorable isn't one of them.

Dont forget the vergil mobile

Tameem: Alcoholism is cool!

@@suwakoss because only a minority of people drink.....

@@suwakoss or maybe pay attention to the point I made. Instead of coming to irrelevant assumptions based on some weird bias you created in your head

Dante: "This party's getting crazy" Donte: *exists* Dante: *looks at Capcom and Ninja Theory* Dante: "Let's talk."

I haven't played 5 because I would rather play DmC 2.

@@I_Am_The_Social_Reject That's a terrible decision.

@@addictedtoRS it's an amazing decision

@@I_Am_The_Social_Reject DmC is not THAT bad tbh.

Expedionist _ but HE IS a gay cowboy

@@bishop6881 but hes OUR gay cowboy and we love him

Along with that slideshow, you have to love how they suggest Glam Metal (dudes who wore make up, and alot of hair spray) was exclusive to Japan, as they showed a photo of X-Japan against The Clash - with DmC is and DmC is not - when that was more rampant, and wide spread in America with the likes of Motley Crue, Poison, Ratt, Cinderella and Nitro to name a few. Also as well I can remember it saying DmC is not Batman, which at least they got that right. I can imagine DmC Dante would be the kind of street punk the Dark Knight would bash in a night patrol of the city

DMC2: Yo leave me out of this I don't even know who's that weird DmC crap

He isn't gay, he might be Bi, but only because us girls are willing to share (maybe). Or, if he is gay, we get Vergil and Nero AND Lady for our gay girls.

Also DMC3 Special edition was the first multiplatform venture (but it was a Ubisoft port so)

@@stilllife8 What are the mods that combined together make the Definitive Edition? Lock on and Hardcore mode mods don't seem to be a thing.

@@zaphero5518 There are mods that remove the color lock bullshit (except for grapples and dont fuck your style like in definitve edition). There's even Turbo mode and Bloody Palace changing mods.

@@zaphero5518 Turbo, collor restricted enemy disabled (couple of version with stagger and without it), angel mode dash (2-3 times) Vergil bloody palace. Only things mods doesnt do (gameplaywise) - aim and scythe parry. Also DE adds couple of cutscenes and removes fedora from the game.

@@iMost067 lol the Fedora 😂 And vergils Angel weapon: the sniper rifle

The new game is shit and lame.

@@zarzoth7714 And it's shit, because...?

The opposite can be true as well. Just look at what happened to Other M when Nintendo tried to make it more suitable for Japanese audiences. The big takeaway is that if your game is primarily made for one audience and has been for a while and even has a substantial fan base, then making a mainline game that caters to a completely different audience may not work out so well.

Who said the western audience didnt already live for the original dmc?

@@gabrieltorres6633 No one is saying that. What's being said is that in the case of DMC the western audience did like the original games. But then Capcom decided that they needed to westernize the game to make it appeal more to a western audience and thus alienated the audience they already.

@@gabrieltorres6633 Capcom

@@nendymion Was it Inafune Keiji era? Because he was the one who pushed for the games to be westernized.

If ya think about it, Hellblade is basically the same sorta game they were making before DmC, Simple Combat, Big emphasis on facial animation and all that, Guess something finally stuck to the wall for them eventually

U dmc fans are the worst ninja theory's DmC was a solid game the story was just more gothic punk edgier version than the original more anime original 1

@@ESFDragxnFistEntertainment "the story was just more gothic punk edgier" Precisely the problem And also the baby-complex playability

@@ESFDragxnFistEntertainment It was less Gothic, being set in a modern world centered on consumerism.

@@GatsuRage I wonder where he is now?

@@ESFDragxnFistEntertainment What about you shut up DmC fan. Cry about it🤣

I hate how they don't understand dmc enough

DMC fans are dumb af unfortunately

@vineapplepizza Cause in DMC 4 he meets Nero, a possible relative of Sparda. Seeing that this novice in devil hunting business is in need of mentoring, and might be part of his family, brings back the old attitude again.

yeah. After the end of DMC2, he regained his carefree, goofy personality. And meeting Nero helped solidify his personality as he felt life was going good on his end

@@seb24789 how high of a bar is that though?

The hair is the only thing I liked

@@SadgeGhost not as bad Vergil's fedora

@@SadgeGhost liek, it's not the joke itself, (though it's totally fine ti despise that joke) its the greater lack of respect to the greater franchise, while simultaneously constantly referencing shit from the older games

Game is still better than the first and second DMC. Yes I'm getting spicy enough to say its better than DMC1.

> Not that DMC stories have ever been great or anything I think you need to see these... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5aafq1_vb-ph5s.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e8p9Y7acz9KzlKs.html

Yea, nah. That quote is terrible. Kat is the weakest one. Lady and Trish might be dressed to suit male boners, but they are not pushovers, and are shown regularly kicking arse without a mans' help. Dante doesn't hit on them the way he taunts/flirts with the female demons that he doesn't respect. He treats them the same as he would a male human character. Thats a way more acceptable pro-female design to me than a not-sexualised girl who needs a strong guy to protect her through the whole game, and ends up as the love interest because he is the hero.

@@suraventri2544 That's actually a common thing with Capcom. Their girls dresses are often undignified, but their characterizations aren't and they would surely kick your ass.

Im invested and waiting for wappen

@@punishedfist instead of wombo combo it's wappen campun

Cuz games journalists suck

The game is alright IMO. Not only is it worth playing, its pretty fun to play too. Then again, I suck at all the DMC's so maybe my opinion doesn't count!

In addition to what the guy above me said, I've seen suspicions that game journos feel the need to defend it because to admit it sucked means admitting that fans were right and the critics were wrong. The game was one of the earliest cases I can think of of the journos and fans having starkly different feelings on a game, so I wouldn't be that surprised if there was some sort of projection going on with the eternal conflict between the ~enlightened, intelligent journalists~ and the everyman gamer.

One of the many luxuries of being a AAA game dev: Buying positive reviews for your games, no matter how undeserving they may be!

I mean there's loads of reasons. their Standarts are set by giving every cod game an 8 at the very least Money and just in general the reviews where so shallow its obvious that they just button mashed through the game and said good after that.

No, I couldn't handle it. Its the only PS2 game I got left besides The Bouncer

never forget Steve Blum trying an Irish accent.

man you got the best possible outcome that's impressive

wdym staturary rapist?

@@ctpp64 I haven't played the game, but statutory rape is when a minor consents to sex with an adult. The adult is still committing rape because the minor is underage. So I assume Dante in this game has sex with someone underage.

I played every installment of the Devil May Cry series and there was not a single hint of the reboot Dante being a statutory rapist. The closest thing to it is one of the antagonists, Bob Barbas, declaring Dante as a "sexual deviant" as part of his propaganda.

I gotta agree with @@kenjihirata6834 here, I too have played every Devil May Cry game, including the reboot, but not once in DmC did they ever suggest he went with some underage chick. He may have been a dick who walked out in public naked, went out drinking and slept with two strippers (who were probably demons), made fun of a guys dead newborn-ish baby (which was a low blow but served it's purpose), but in the end he never committed statutory rape. Sure he made a dirty conment towards Kat ("I like it rough") but that was in the beginning before he started to care what was going on. They at least gave him a little arc that gave him the ability to care for humanity. I doubt in the end he would have dirty thoughts about Kat, plus we don't even know her age. To dumb it down, pretty sure he went from "To Lewd" to "To Protecc" to the only female out of the 3 (5 if you count the strippers) that had a part in the story. Where you get this information from I have no idea. We supppsed to believe Bob Barbas's word of a Demon whose job is to sway the opinion of the public that Dante is a "sexual deviant"? I doubt that. I'm all for negative talks on DmC Donte's character, but at least say stuff that is actually true. He's an asshole throughout the game, but he isn't even close to being suggested as a statutory rapist

holly shet dude, stop making such blatant lies, you clearly didnt play the game. i have all the dmc games installed in my pc and not once was Donte/Dino(whatever you want to call him) even mentioned raping someone, just bob barbas(the new anchor boss) just spewing lies about him to make him an "evil person" in front of the humans

Unlike DMC, Revengeance was actually good. So Capcom’s bad decisions made Denté(as I call him) in PSASBR(PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale) a lousy pick for DLC.

Add Haze to that list!

@@tyrus1235 What's Haze.

@@xavier8951 The game that killed Free Radical, a company made from former members of Rare and developers of the cult classic TimeSplitters trilogy. They made Haze as a huge project for the PS3's launch and it flopped so hard they went belly up. Eventually became Crytek UK, where they againt went belly up after making a (much maligned) multiplayer mode for Crysis 2. Nowadays, their talent is scattered around the industry.

@@tyrus1235 Okay, thanks for the info. I might as well also add Mass Effect: Andromeda to the list.

anthems a tad early.

Yes: *OW THE EDGE*

The Gintama6 I’ve personally been a fan of the series since the original game first came out. I totally enjoyed DmC on its own merits. It especially has some amazing art direction. I still wonder what would have happened if it had been released as an original IP and didn’t have the baggage of being a reboot.

Agreed. If it had been anyone BUT Dante it could've worked. Even as an alternate universe thing. Then the half devil half angel thing might have fit in better as well.

Chokah See personally I thought the alternate lore was interesting and opened up different stuff they could do for potential sequels. I tend to just approach these things with the dissonance that it isn’t the same character/universe anyway. In DMC5 they went back to canon, but in some cases it was more of let down when characters I really liked in previous games didn’t feel like they did much.

That's fair. I'm a fan since the original and the only reason I didn't give this game a chance was because of Tameem's comments. I played the demo with my brother and I remember thinking "the combat is no DMC3, but for what it is, it wasn't bad". But because of Tameem, I still didn't buy it. I remember that fan outrage campagn well and I think a lot of DMC fans refused to buy the game because of Tameem and his obnoxious defenders. I think if he just shut his mouth and let the game speak for itself, it would have made a lot more money.

Nice to see a thread with less vitriol. DmC Devil May Cray was a good game and i loved it and that fact that the story atleast makes logical sense compared to other Dmc titles. Honestly I prefer the ninja theory dante as he has a character arc and grows in the game while I dont feel that with the other dante at all

GAME OVERS ARE A FAILURE OF THE GAME DESIGNER

Just david cage in general

JASON!! I'm the android sent by Cyberlife!

Lee Anderson Also creepy naked CGI models of a woman who specifically didn’t want to be rendered naked in the game.

why would they, the definitive edition was just them stealing mods people made on pc to make DmC even the slightest bit less dogshit in the first place.

I get that, I was just correcting Matt because he said it launched on Xbox One, PS4 and PC. But DE wasn't on PC.