Once a person drives an ev probably will never buy ice again.

Lots of people have found themselves financially 'upside down' thanks to the 'cost saving green narrative' spun to the general public. Extreme example: The 2022 Audi E-Tron S has an 83KW usable battery, and costs £64 to fill (public UK rapid charger at 80p KW), and delivers about 190 miles of real world range, or 33p per mile. A Lamborghini Huracán with an 80L fuel tank, costs £112 to fill up (£1.40 per litre), and delivers about 330 miles of range, or 33p per mile. The depreciation costs on a 3 year old Huracan is about 15% (£40k), for the E-Tron S the 3 year depreciation cost is about 60% (£60k) Insurance costs for the two cars is broadly similar.

Where does petro come from? Mining! Even at the oceans, so much pollution that everyone ignores. People often forget battery can be 100 recycled and which is so so much easier than mining and does not require much energy and resources to refine. And can be recycled for infinite times. Petro cannot be recycled even once.

I have tata Nexon ev 2020 modal my daily running is 170 km I saved 15 lac rupees I have solar system my 3ac electricity bill is zero

exactly "give options, diesel is not that big of a demon".

i used ev bikes for 9 years in china and now using an ev bike in india.. evs r lot cheaper in china and if evs in india become cheaper ( by making motors and natteries inside india ) then evs will pretty much kill all ice cars and bikes in just a span of a decade.. ice will survive only in army.. evs dont need maintenance and evs have less parts and are lot easier to repair them.. running cost of ev is almost negligible and india needs 99% evs on roads so that logistic cost in india comes down drastically which have multiplier effect on our economy and evs can add trillions to our gdp

EVs don't make sense in any part of the world unless they're priced at the same level as ICE and the country's area is small(because of the range). At any other point, Hybrid's makes more sense. But again they're not cheap but they definitely work irrespective of the land area of the country. That is what Toyota has realized and only focuses on hybrid. Apart from this, I don't know about the carbon print implications of EVs and ICE. Having an EV is like buying into an ecosystem where you make your own electricity with solar stuff. Then it makes sense. Like the Apple ecosystem. So it's basically a rich man's endeavour but the most rich are buying Hybrids.

Then why you guys are doing paid EV promotions. Just for money? 😜

This is one of the very few matured and informed discussions I have seen online. Wonderful job you two have done. I hope this opened some fools from fud against evs regarding false claims in news and opinion abt elon.

Cos should come up with good buyback rates for 5 to 7 year EVs. This will give confidence to buyers. Its better to promote strong hybrids as well along with EVs to cut down overall emissions

Multi Stacked parking in redeveloped buildings, EV charging is also a challenge

Another important factor is that after warranty some 2 wheeler companies not taking responsibility for the lithium-ion battery...

Great discussion 🎉 one of the most objective I've heard ever.

Instead of only saving 2.5 rs per litre, also think about your runs, wait time you need to charge the car, every 300 to 400 kms you need to make a mandatory stop, availability/nonavailabilty of a charger, think about people having backside flats who can’t install a home charger… there are many practical issues also. Within city, with and assured charger around you are safe; else not!

"apples to apples" comparison would mean bringing in the price difference between the ice and ev variant.

COE !!! WHATS THE COST OF REPLACING BATTERY AFTER 5YRS OF RUNNING. ICE cars with combination of Flex BiFuel(Petrol & CNG) +Battery Hybrids can take in through CAFE & BS7

I heard that maruti is planning for cheap hybrids. Any idea about the technology

Frequent runs k liye to acchi hai.. For example mai city se Apne gaun aana jana bohut krta hu its about 80km hilly & twisty road of Uttrakhand... So it can be great for me because mai jab bhi jata hu to ek din to rukta hu.... So it can give me time to recharge my vehicle....

If your Fan, AC, Fridge, chimney, mixer-grinder, washing-machine etc can run on electric motor, then ur vehicle can also run on electric motor.

EVs are an essential solution for a huge portion of budget going for oil imports.

Nice Discussion (as always). 1. running costs of an EV was a strong point 4-5 years ago may be. Now a days you'll find hefty charge/unit on public charging. which will make EV marginally better than ICE. Govt assesses incoming tax from various departments. SO when Govt finds that the tax is decreasing from Auto Sector, especially EV department, they'll definitely match up the prices. off course with nominal futile reasons like infra cost, new land cost, electricity generation cost blah blah. Any country running on taxes won't reduce the Ownership cost of Mobility, because either way a user will spend on the mobility sector. Also gone are the days when 3-4 lac rupee cars were hottest and most sold cars. Now the disposable money from people have already sent a message to Govt that people are upgrading/ spending. there is no going backwards after that unless sudden jerks like covid hits. TCO of EVs will be matched slowly to ICEs. 2. You have considered the points only after ownership POV. what about manufacturing manpower POV. Majority chunk of population is direct dependent on Automobile sector. OEM employees, Parts Vendors, Service Workshops, Local Garages, Spares Stores, Lubricant manufacturers etc... According to SIAM 2021-22 this number was ~30-40 lacs. And the families dependent on them. This workforce engaged in ICE periphery won't go obsolete quickly, or so as the Govt intends to making them obsolete rapidly. 3. Gone are the days when OEM were taking time to invest in new models. the life cycle was 20-30 years for some cars. Now a days there are minor updates every year. And model is completely updates in 7 years or less. OEM's are quick in replacing failed models. 4. After watching and reading about Indian EV industry, I'm very much sure that the Babu's who are responsible for EV transition have made a mess out of it. 4a.First Phase- Make major cities the EV hub. instead of selling charging equipment and utilities along with vehicle make it a Public thing from day one. User should be sold the vehicle only. and whatever charging that EV needs should be provided by GOVT, similar to fuel pump. this method would've definitely brought the charging price way more down that the current price we are paying. 4b. second phase- develop highway charging infra and tier 2 cities, along the same methods from phase one. 4c. third phase- develop rest of infra countrywide. 5. Haphazard selling of EVs or rather 2W EVs was the worst decision from GOVT Babus. Everybody with disposable money brought lower quality EVs from china and sold them here. End user was suffered from this process. the mindset was harmed from this move. 6. The PLI schemes were partial about this. Ather Tarun has talked about this in Kamath's podcast, and they have asked Mr.Kant about the partiality of PLI schemes in their Community day at Ather in 2024 too. with vague and fruitless answers too from the topmost Sarkari Babu.

U guys are very knowledgeable and precise in the information that you give out in your videos 👌👏👍

I don't agree I got nexon ev max xz+ 2023 model With great discount Leave running cost But the driving experience is brilliant. Regen breaks are one thing that you need to experience yourself. In cabin experience and convince of charging at home is also good

Honda who are masters globally in hybrid engine are silent inspite of having good petrol engines in India. All other Japanese brands are silently waiting if Govt is planning to give tax cut for strong Hybrid or not. If govt had given equal tax cut for both hybrid and EV by 2021, nobody would have run behind turbo petrol or EVs. But marketing is, launching turbos and milk amount by hiking petrol prices and hiking EB slab rates. I am sure that middle class persons who have bought cars paying high premium and taxes just for handling will regret once hybrid steps into India. Hybrid will take off in such a peak rate. All these 3 cylinders show off with turbo to lure customers are just marketing. They compete with prices in selling new cars and giving discounts. The catch is they are gonna make profits in servicing these cars. The beauty of extended warranty is not boasting their engine reliability. It’s just to retain the customers for next 5 years and make profits in service so that they have enough time build another prototypes or give a generation update. Nowadays brands fight among them with their marketing rather than focusing on engineering. Gone are those days where we get a reliable VFM products!

I bought ev one year before at 11 lakh. I have run 25k Kms. Consider 6 rupees per km also it's 1.25lakh. Consider after few years what I will be saving.

Upfront cost of an EV is high and battery needs to be replaced in 5-8 years. Insurance cost is higher. All of this offsets the low running costs and maintainence costs. From a pure RoI perspective - unless its a taxi - you are better of with a Nexon ICE over Nexon EV.

Your innovation knows no bounds! 🚀 -- "Success often involves traversing failure's rough terrain."

Finally someone spoke sense

For 90% city usage, EVs are the best. For long highway trips, hybrids will be more convenient, economical and efficient. For having fun Turbo petrol/diesel are the best.

Compared to every litre of fuel sold in India, which helps make the gulf countries money, every hour of EV charging keeps that money in India in an Indian’s pocket.

For now EVs are good if you have fixed routine of driving distance and you can get back to home with the remaining charge. Public charging infrastructure isn’t good anywhere across the globe. I have an EV6 in USA and finding a charging spot and availability is still a challenge with long distance travel. Wait times are significantly high even with 300kwh chargers. But once the charging spot is available it is just 20 min for 260 miles (80%) of range. Having a portable power station with charging speed of 5 to 7 kWh and having it charged up with solar is a good backup option. All EV manufacturers must align a standard on charging speed, all charging stations should be standardised for optimum charging speed. Availability and interoperability should be easy across charging stations and locations. It is evolving and sure in another 10 years things will be better. ICE took ages to improve.

This was a great discussion wrt to the EV's & ICE's 🤘

How can you talk for 38 minutes on EV and 8 minutes on savings on running cost but do not cover initial investment on a car ? Same model of petrol car is cheaper than ev by 3 lakhs minimum which you need significant running to cover the cost by which the ev battery would have degenerated!! You cover it in the conclusion but 10 seconds ???

Finally some sensible perspective.....unless it's either EV or ICE.....

For now or untill EVs have a real world range of atleast 450-500kms, EVs are for people who have disposable money to try new things. You need a house where you would have an 8kW connection if you're using the slow charger or even more if you want to install a fast charger which will affect the electricity bill of your house overall not just the EV charger.. or you have a solar panel installed which again not everyone could afford. Then you have another vehicle which you can use in emergency or you would use Ola or Uber in those case, also if you're travelling out of station because not everyone likes to take multiple hour long stops. Then you have run your car more than 30-40k per year in order to recover the extra cost..In that rare case EVs are a good option. For now you have to fit in a criteria to buy an EV and not the usual way round.

EVs are Natural..the future and part of ecosistem 🎉 people not understand but everything will be on electricity and battery's 🎉

It’s stupid to compare mining costs of lithium and petrol. EVs don’t burn a battery full of lithium on every full charge. But a petrol car burns 1 full tank of petrol every time it is refueled. An EV doesn’t need a battery full on every recharge, it is only once during its manufacture/assembly.

Evs are the future but need to build ecosystem for it. For 15 years China put a total 230 billion dollers for it. And if compare from source to reusability evs are 6-8 times less polluting than ICE. Hydrogen have its own drawbacks like engine melting, prone to fire blast more risky than hybrids. So EVs will be the future, but need more research to get 6C charging, incremental improvement in efficiency, and safety. EVs have higher efficiency, convenience of multiple source or charging are its pros

superb podcast

Hybrids are good govt incentives r none 😢

Some of the words ...used in this conversation ...looks like a page torn from Shashi taroor`s Script ..what say.. Tushar... Arun mam 😄

Guys.. i agree few of points but really we cant built proper phone charging station in public transport asking for a full fledged EV infra in 2024 lets be realistic and the countries who tried to do it are already facing tons of issues. Increasing thermal efficiency by adding other additive in petrol or diesel by adding more equipment like adblue is more realistic approach. Yes sell EV who wants it but shoving down on everyone throat EVs is not best for a person who dont have a proper parking who has random travelling situation and sit for 40 min each time for charging and in a 1200km road journey i would be spending 3-4 hrs just for charging even more. Today if we indians convert to EV like they say then my 3 hrs would be just to spent just to stand in queue for charging my car .. good old demonetization day where we were hunting ATM for money like that we will be hunting for charging point. The place where we live outlet option is an issue i mean all those imp points we just slided out easily like nothing in discussion point. The people who implement these live in villa but not every one. Nature has to be saved but at destroying an entire ICE based business thats gona have other issues at door step. Thats all from a person who probably would be owning last gen of diesel vehicle who is ok to handle adblue regeneration and everything just because he saw people with EV and what they do in his society just for charging their vehicle

Tldr- EV is not for everyone

Why are u using such sensational click bets

"Apple all the way", Lol 🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, enjoy the features the rest of the world is enjoying after 3 years (sometimes even more) while paying the double the amount for what it's actually worth 🤣🤣🤣

EVs can also come with built in solar panels instead of sunroof, it can self generate on a daily basis.

EVs really don't work unless you have dedicated parking, which most of us don't. It simply doesn't work.

The future is most definitely electric. The power source will not be the batteries of today. But as of now, there is nothing better than an electric motor to produce linear motion for automobiles. It is more than 90% efficient.

A PHEV is the best !

3.5 per km savings ...u drive 1 lakh km for saving 3.5 L... 1 L kms is 10 years ownership... when u sell a ic and an EV after 10 years .... EV no pickers due to batt range and condition... hence not worth spending more than 10 L for a EV..

Everyone talks about EV. No one talks about how the electricity is generated India is said to build 10 new thermal power plants in the next 5 years. Electricity is not clean. how can EVs be clean. Rather than thermal India should focus on nuclear power plant, expanding them and achieve their carbon emissions. Fun fact- 1 kg of purified lithium requires 100M Litres of clean water😅 Let that sink in

I could put dead dinosaurs in my car in 2 mins and be on my way to my destination whereas EVs you need to wait 1 hour for it to charge.. It could also potentially lead to saftey issues in unknown locations then there are challenges of charging infrastructure.. I dont think we are ready to move fully to EV

Yes everyone drives 100-200km everyday😅😅😅 Most people take public transportation It's like niche of niche people Good way to justify EV 🫡

EVs are waste for money if not driven inside the city.

Sounded very sponsored to be honest. Also, the batteries degrading over time, is a big issue. Sure it's all subsidies and 5-7 year warranties right now, because it's nascent and the companies want it to sound like a fabulous idea..but just like how you're talking about limited resources of oil and the prices going up, the EV market's gonna go though a shift, where it's going to be crazy expensive just to switch out a battery, once the EV segment reaches a 50% market share. So this mostly is what's good to keep one awake, an "EYE WASH!"

In india hybrid is the best...

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The biggest reason I am thinking to stop voting for BJP is push for EV by banning diesels. As long as pollution from the vehicle is under control, government has no business banning vehicles. If they ban I hope they lose elections !

Energy density of battery is the issue. To get 600km real world range, we may need to double or triple the car weight. Once this is solved, EVs will make sense. Also battery swap, solar generation etc will support the EV. At this stage, EV are a decade away from becoming main stream

EV s are for rich people… who are buying EV as third vehicle for timepass… and government is giving subsidy to these crorepaties

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Bhai inko to 12th class ki science bhi nhi aati

Two gays talking but in secrecy

EVs are not future as they are echoing , only hybrids flex fuels are better alternative

Everyone should have EVs point but they should also have a petrol or diesel car as well. Evs can never replace ICE cars

No doubt EVs are efficient but when u consider efficient use of any energy, we should consider the electricity generated from the source(power station) till it reaches the EV through the electrical grid. And there the problem comes. No body can count the unlimited amount of electricity losses which comes on the middle of the grid. So there is no doubt EVs are just a gimmick and a product to fool the audience for the profit making by the oligarchs. Hybrids are the only way forward in INDIA. I support the Japanese thinking for sure. Customer will only regret after buying an EV and the regret keeps growing as the EV gets old year by year.