Liverpool need 80000 seater stadium

The fanbase is growing so we should prioritize on expanding our house

I think the plan is to purchase properties that are restricting expansion ie The Albert and The Park pubs, the church and the row of shops on Walton Breck Road. The road will then be re-routed (bends in road) to accommodate the larger Spion Kop stand. The church, pubs and shops could be relocated in the land in front of Gilman Street (originally planned to be a training hotel). Lots of disruption but where there’s a will there’s a way. There has to be a reason that the waste land hasn’t been built on.

No The Kop should not have a tier of any kind. It's the heartbeat. I have stood on the Kop when 29,000 fans used to fill it, it was inspiring. I think a two tier stand would take away some of the aura and special feeling surrounding the kop. It's got to stay a single stand.

I live in Cornwall first stood on the kop in 1979 you can't put a tier over it it wouldn't be the same YNWA.

Anfield could easily be made into an 80k stadium. SKD stand is easy 20k conversion like the main stand, the single tier Kop can be the steepest & tallest of all 4 stands adding another 20k. The naysayers will say it can’t be done because of the houses & the road, but they are lying to themselves & they know it. Money talks.

Absolutely. The only problem is the location of the Kop and the buildings behind it. It’s very possible if the diagonal road behind the Kop becomes a small tunnel, with the Kop built above it. Aston Villa had a stand built above a tunnel road, and so did the old Vicente Calderon stadium. It has to happen now though as it’s way too small. The Kop is one of the most popular stands in the world and it shouldn’t be the smallest in its own ground.

Surely there must be architects or building/development engineers who deal with this sort of thing who can offer advice and say what can and can't be done? I'm sure in this day and age there is a solution that is probably easier than we think

Interesting challenge to remodel the Kop but with the stinginess of the owners, they are not even capable of changing the faded seats in the Main Grandstand 😅but hey, continuing with the expansion, the Villa park model would be the "best option" and it guarantees 5000/6500 seats, plus that is already a good number but less than that amount would be loss of income for the club seeing what would be invested in the reconstruction of The KOP

Move with times (and demand). Why do people assume a second tier would make the Kop worse? The more fans the better surely, and at least try to make the stands looks the same as well. Personally I’d prefer to see the SKD done before the Kop and for it to look like the MS, even if it wasn’t as high and so that only the one row of houses needed to go. Don’t get me wrong I am not advocating for turfing people out of their homes I just mean if the houses were eventually all owned by LFC

Doesn’t make sense that the spion kop is the smallest looking part of anfield it should look more intimidating

Like I said on a other video, the two new stands look great but now it looks like a half job with the two old stands something needs to be done to make it look all the same. Thats my opinion anyway. If they can’t expand the other two stands I don’t understand why they didn’t go for a new stadium like spurs’s stadium which let’s be honest is the best in the country. Liverpool as a football club should have a 75,000+ seat stadium. (Not a Liverpool fan)

hi, in fact Liverpool DESERVE A NEW stadium, but John Henry doesn't like to invest, if he had built the stadium in 2012, today Liverpool would be making more money. I hope the work doesn't remain unfinished, because these stands are like a carnival, 2 new Stand (blocks) with different sizes versus 2 old stands. These refurbishments are better than nothing but spending £200m on renew 2 stands I'd spend £700-800m on a new modern stadium. Because Liverpool deserve it. I have been deluded since 2009 with a new stadium, for the 21st century. Now is late to do a new stadium, even the blue pigs will have a new stadium soon. And congrats Hummers, Spurs, toffees, soon, manshity, for the modern stdium. It's time for England to start seriously renovating the stadiums or doing it again. I've seen 2...3 teams with little money in Spain with very decent stadiums. PS: *don't get me wrong, just a constructive criticism*

only viable option to me is to have a much steeper kop that goes abit higher than it does now with the road underneath it like a tunnel with a glass roof and and glass walls anywhere its higher than it currently is so that it does not affect lighting in any nearby building

Always said we should have built a new stadium in Stanley park, which would not have give us the problems we're having with the kop and skd stand with the room.

Build out to the footprint of the angled Walton brek road. So make the kop a sloped stand with it higher and deeper at the main road side than on the SKD side. Might only add a couple of thousand seats but is more viable than knocking down the stand or reducing capacity during work.

Yes, an expansion would be highly beneficial all round.

The issues with the road and structures can be overcome. If you look at St James Park, NUFC new owners want to expand, but they have a beautiful georgian terrace which is Grade 1 listed right behind their smallest stand, thats a real problem. If theres a will and enough money, there is a way!

I can’t see why they can’t move the road over and then having it come back and join the old road at the junction. Everyone says oh the road can’t be moved, but roads do move and combine it with some redevelopment of the area and there could be more than enough room. Same with the SKD stand, just compulsorily purchase the houses behind the stand. I am sure the owners could get handsomely paid off and develop around the stadium.

We can move or build a new church and house on the land to the left (as you look at the Kop) and then build over the WBR using a similar footprint to the ARE. But the architects need to use every trick in the book to ensure acoustically every voice is projected onto the pitch!!!

Any further expansion with extra seats will require Anfield to have a railway system. All 65k + stadiums must have close access to a railway line. Hopefully this is doable. YNWA

The Kop has pretty much the same depth to it as the Annie Road end will have so probably no need to go back just need to remove roof and then re terrace the kop upwards at a stteeper angle,i think the current angle is 26% , you couldeasily change that to a angle of 36% which i think is about the same angle of the Yellow Wall in Dortmund and therefore get in more rows of seating at the back of the stand with a higher new roofline added at ttes same level as the main srand currently is. I am not sure how many extra seats that may add but hopefully a further 4,000 to 5,000 would be great and take the Kop to 17,000 and the ground to 66,000 woukd be nice. The Kop woukd then look even more imposing,the noise levels enhanced and the ground more balanced and attractive. I dont know how you increase the size of the Sir Kenny as lightt issuses for the houses in Skerries Road prevent that Stand curre going higher so a third tier option on the Sir Kenny might not be possible as planning permission would not be granted under current legislation rules

Sporting Club de Portugal fan here. I truly believe the next step is to slowly plan and develop from scratch the New Anfield nearby at Stanley Park. I think that 90k seats would not be excessive. The Kop is great, Anfield is great but we all need to move forward. 90k fans every home match is far superior to any nostalgia you may be attached to.

Unless they can build a tunnel over the Road to support an extra 'tier' and/or big 'expansion' like the Anfield Road end, Its very limited or even more 'costly' to change the road layout. You can also look at it that its special to get in at the Kop End because its so in demand and so limited in number. At some point they may need to expand and it 'looks' more likely the SKD stand could 'grow', than the Kop, but without some Architectural way to 'expand' over the Road with enough clearance as required, the Kop is extremely restricted by the Road and any expansion 'cost' for that to be 'structurally' safe to take the weights required without affecting the use of the Road is higher than supporting that weight from below. It can be done - there are examples, but its whether the 'cost' and or getting 'approval' could be a problem - especially if it interferes with the main road too - they can't stop/restrict the traffic for an hour, let alone weeks, maybe months if they 'need' to in part of the build - its far more complicated than say adding another few rows another few meters added to the footprint across the length of the SKD stand to add a few thousand more seats in or maybe even expanding that after buying up all the houses in their way and expanding up - they don't 'have' to knock the houses down and keep them for part of their LFC programme. Protect them as part of the Heritage of Liverpool - but 'owning' them and the Land, they can expand and still have some parking space and other access they need. Either is costly and very likely problematic propositions to solve which is why 'Anfield Road was the only real option - that or 'relocate' as building a New stadium on a 'fresh' plot with Ample space for everyone is far easier and cheaper than trying to expand - but we can 'hope' they find a way...

Maybe rebuild/modernize it, make it fit to the new style the 2 other stands got, and make the stand more steep, but there is no way the could make it as big as the road/main stand. Kenny Dalglish stand will probably be the next. might be possible that they could make it fit with removing only 1 row of houses

YES The Kop can be expanded. (1) Complete knock the Kop down. (2)Rebuild The New Kop Stand Foundations to the Maximum Footprint to the Available. (3) Increase the Kop Stand by increasing the Seating Tearrance from the current angle. Increasing the current angle by 3 degrees this will increase the capacity of the Kop stand by 4.000 to 6,500 (4) To Increase The Kop stand even further this could be achieved by copying the stands at Villa Park and the Old Vicente Cauldron In Madrid. Particulate building over the Road with this option maybe to expensive even for Liverpool FC The Anfield Capacity could be increased even higher by copying the similar with the description that is given above. My Humble opinion the New Anfield after complete Modernisation with all 4 stands will be around 70,000+ However Local Transport will need to be vastly Improved to achieve the 70,000+ With Regards. Baz

Has anyone thought about extending the main stand towards the Liverpool shop, going up to that boundary and the kop going right up to the Shankley gate perimeter. It could also extend the kop to become a double tier or use the existing roof of the kop to build an extention of seats further beyond, almost counter levering across the road a bit like Villa Park. The kop can also expand a bit more to the right on the SKD side. The SKD stand has to be reconfigured anyway as a 6 foot person struggles to sit in that stand. It's possible to extend the kop is all the boundary is used even with the odd shape. It's possible.

It would be excellent if they could and did expand both the kop and Sir Kenny Dalglish stands and I think that's what the owners and club should be aiming to do. There was generated images online, that another north west based droner shared that has the Kop with a stand similar to Atletico Madrid old stadium the Vincente Calderon and Aston villas stadium. For all the criticisms of the owners in some quarters, they have delivered on increasing the capacity/redeveloping the stadium and improving the clubs general infrastructure with the new training ground etc.

You could square off the top of the Kop, and then that might add a few hundred seats, but apart from that there isnt a lot you can do with the Kop tbh without causing massive disruption.

The real thing Anfield needs with The Kop is demolish it to rebuild and look mirrored to the Anfield Road

The MS first tier can be made a little steep and pitch can be shifted little towards the Main Stand, that gives some room for SKD stand to expand and get some pitch area and the Kop to avoid getting on the road and shift towards main stand.

Anfield can get to 80,000 and look complete. For the Kop by moving the Church and pub and rerouting the road and for Sir Kenny by buying a row or 2 of houses in Skerries Road. The club could buy up properties over time or make a deal with the council to get the new train line so the Stanley carpark can be used for new community and club facilities like a leisure centre and new housing that's offered to Skerries Rd residents first. Won't need that carpark on match days with a station. Going big like this could be a win win if done right.

Only possible, feasible expansion is if they fill in the corners and join the Kop with both the Main Stand and The SKD Stand. No upwards or backwards expansion possible. SKD expansion looks more likely.

Here is what needs to happen. If you look at the depth of the Spion Kop vs the depth of the new Anfield Road Stand, they are the same depth. The problem is the old Kop is not steep. A completely newly developed Kop would be needed. It could also easily be 16,000 single tier if they completely torn down and rebuilt the Kop. You wouldn’t even have to reroute A5089.

We need to be really careful as if we build upwards the roof will obviously be higher and that will effect the atmosphere

Why not make a small section for the 8000 season ticket holders with a Liverpool post code and make the rest corporate?

Simple answer is no, there's Breck Road stopping any expansion of the Kop, but most importantly when any stadium wants to expand above 60,000 they have to have rail or subway close to the stadium and there is no train station in the Anfield area, so unless the club are willing to spend 100's of millions in infrastructure of the Anfield area then we will not see any further expansion at the stadium

I much prefer the look of Anfield to the generic bowl stadia that other big clubs have opted for. The Kop needs to be expanded though.

The cost compared to revenue increase makes no business sense. These would be all "cheap" seats, no corporate. Therefore the club would never do it. Also, mate, please note that the current Kop was built after the SKD (Centenary Stand).

The Kop was done after the SKD. Kop around 94/95. SKD (formerly Kemlyn road/Centenary stand) was rebuilt/expended 1992.

I think it would have to be steeper and maybe brought out more but not interfering with the road or pathway on the main road.

All I could see would be is to reroute the Breck Road so it would release the current road for an expansion of the kop. That could man an increased capacity of the kop to around 18,000 or ideally 20,000. You would be looking at a stadium of around 69,000… Any further would need work being done…..buying houses etc. That could take it up to around 75000. I don’t see that at all…..the council would find it difficult to let that happen and the local residents.The whole thing would take years so it would be easier and cheaper to buy a new stadium…..even if they could find the land to do it and the easiest way to get to it it would need acres of land, especially with an 80000 capacity. A plus would be to offer name rights to cover the cost,,,,That is done in America a lot. I can’t see either option being taken…61000 is as far as we can get and remains Anfield and above anything else

The only way is up in my opinion. You'll have a fight on your hands getting rid of that Church, not so much the pubs. If you look at the Kop as it is now, it's not that steep compared to other stands around the world. And it most definitely needs to stay one tier or its not the Kop as we know it to be

80K Anfield would be possible even in near future, but what about mass transit access? I was at Anfield last week for the first time, and I found out that there is only bus and taxi that go to the Stadium from Lime St. Station.. cant imagine 80K supporters have to walk from stadium after a game..

The KOP, Loudest in Anfield.. It's the LOUDEST in Europe, maybe even the world...!!😉👍🏻

Re-do the SKD stand, add a few seats there, then round off the corners with the kop. That should get you to 68,000 or thereabouts.......I reckon 68K is about as much as you want/as much as you can get.....TBH......

LFC would need to buy some property behind the Kop across the road and then build over the road with the road running underneath. It’s not out of the question but it’s way off. They are though looking at the SKD stand and already own over half the houses behind it in readiness to remove those houses and build onto the existing stand. Again, could be several years until they acquire the remaining houses.

Now I think this is telling (but I could be wrong). It is definitely possible to increase the size of the Kop. It is quite a deep stand anyways. Main adjustment would be to the height of the stand. It could easily be doubled. However I don’t think there is the room for corporate boxes & bars etc within it hence FSG’s reluctance to make improvements. Increasing the capacity of the Kop would be mainly for the fans & not the money men & I think this is quite telling of where we are. I could be wrong…….

Liverpool made a complete hash over building the main stand. They bought the streets behind it and left those houses to rot for years. It was a disgrace and a blight on the name of the club. They can’t make the same mistake again, so I don’t think and re-build of the skd stand is remotely viable. Even if it was it would take years possibly decades. The only option regarding the Kop is to build steeper using the current footprint. This could be done but would be logistically extremely difficult as the Walton Breck rd would need to be closed for a considerable period of time for health and safety reasons. Also the club would have to work out how to accommodate/compensate 12k season ticket holders because unlike the main or the Anfield to stands I think it would need a complete re-build. Mainly because the Kop has always been single-tier.

Anfield station needs to be reopened first, council have said anything over the new 61k capacity would require a train station to be built first to cope with the increased number of people trying to get in and out of the area.

No, shouldn’t never touch the Kop! That’s the only stand that should never be expanded unless it’s for safety purposes

Would go after the Kenny Dalglish stand first and foremost a stand running the length of a pitch only holding 11,500+ fans that needs updating and going by the size of the stand the far side of the pitch at 20,500+ that would give Anfield another 9,000 fans that would bring it to a 70,000 seater stadium before down the line tackling the Kop ???

You are so right. Of course there is a plan for the next years

If you look at the KZfaq post by Kop Huddy. The long-term plan for Breck Road is to make it pedestrian and temporary use only in the long term, so in Kop Huddy's picture, you will see the kop with a tunnel over the road. This was done, I believe, in Germany. FSG needs a long-term plan for the stadium and needs to have it now; as we all know, 61,015 we outgrew it about 20 years ago. Otherwise, Manchester UTD will rebuild their stadium at any point, get to 85-90,000, and again be 50% bigger and more modern than Anfield. Look at Reals stadium or Barca's. You have to think big, not mid-table capacity. It would have been much better to build a totally new Anfield road first before the main stand and totally onto Stanley Park (Anfield car park and doggy poo part of the park), then they could have expanded the Kop and SKG stands much easier later. A long-term plan may have to look elsewhere in reality, especially with LFC forecast to surpass $12-14 billion in value in the next 5-10 years.

Even outward building should be possible. Think creative. Loads of options 👍

Knock down the park pub & Albert pub incorporate the church on ground floor then you could redirect the road

I don't see the Kop or the Kenny dalgish getting expanded. The only way for Dalgish gets expanded is move 3 blocks of housing somewhere in order to do the expansion. That will be costly

Build it, and they will come...

I think with the ever growing demand and the importance of financially keeping up with Europe's top clubs, Anfield will eventually have to expand further to around 70k stadium. At the minute, logistically impossible but nothing is impossible where money talks... I'd put my money on the SKD stand to eventually expand further. We will see

Liverpool should be looking to expand more, match old Trafford capacity and watch the money for buying players and expanding training facilities for both men's and womens games

Dont think there is enough footprint to expand significantly. Square off Blocks 304 to 306 to each corner flag, prob add about 750 to 1000 seats and add complete new roof to lift the roof line and improve view from back of kop. Like a letter box in current state.

Build a steeper angled single terrace in the same mould as Spurs and Dortmund also squaring of the corners to maximize the footprint.

There is nothing that can be done to the kop because of RTL, (right to light), the KD stand may be able to go up in height but I would not imagine the distance would be more than a couple of meters. It's a big problem!

If you could deal with right to light issues you could build out over the road cantilevering the back of the stand over the road. Because the stand would be well above the road it would effect the road. In the perfect world the club would also buy some of the empty land around the kop and relocate the church and pub into new purpose built buildings for then so that there existing buildings could be demolited.

I would make the kop steeper, higher like bro dortmound ,or like spurs stand ,but deffo has to be a single tire stand ,but i would re do the skd next, like the main ,which would take lfc upto 70,000,,then they can figure on adding abt 5,000 to the new kop stand and make it wider

The SKD absolutely must be rebuilt like the Main Stand, & then you have to make a really steep Kop that looks similar to the Anfield Road Stand. I think Walton Breck needs to be rerouted OR tunneled. It can totally happen, it will just take 10-15 years to accomplish it. LFC can’t sit on their hands & do nothing. *Everton are getting a new stadium, both Madrid & Barcelona are remodeling their stadiums… it can’t be an option for LFC to do nothing & stay relevant.

It's absurd that the Kop is now the smallest capacity stand in the stadium, considering its historic and symbolic status over the last 100 years - Given the obvious limitations on expanding the footprint, the only solution would seem to be to go upwards adding a second tier of 8 to 10 thousand seats above the present tier of 12 thousand - More safe standing in the lower tier should also be considered to bring the Kop's capacity to around 22 thousand - This would bring the capacity of the stadium up to around 75 thousand, which would mean that more access points would have to be envisaged to conform to safety demands relating to safe access to the stadium - But with Everton leaving Goodison, maybe some solutions from that area might be possible - In any case where there's a will there's a way and although increasing the capacity of the Kop would be challenging and costly, imaginative solutions could be found...

We need to complete the one we’re working on right about now mate…

Oh goodness, now we're going to get the great unwashed saying the Kop should be expanded again! But how? There's no room to go back and talk of putting the road in a tunnel ignores the simple fact of the buildings in situ alongside it. Another tier cannot be built on top as doing so would just replicate the problems of the ARE with the old tier. The tier would restrict the view of those in the top third of the existing Kop.

Satukan semua sudut anfield biar tidak terlihat di batasasi antar semau penjuru. Paling tidak anfield berkapasitas 87 ribu. Tribun kops bikin 1 tingkat yg tinggi dan curam biar makin gahar ynwa.

I think it will be easier to expand the KOP than the SKD stand … build a tunnel across Walton break road regards the KOP .. SKD stand would affect too many families … I don’t think either stand will be easy without upsetting neighbours.

I think it would be a great idea to make the kop bigger by going upwards.

I was under the assumption that fsg has planned for all four stands as the roof will finally meet I think the kop will be next 2/4 basically done

building a bridge/tunnel over the road is the only possibility of expanding the kop outwards. which is a feasible thing to do to be honest. would cost abit more but it's doable

Why do we keep calling them stands?, All I know is they cant put the Spion Kop into two tiers, that would totally destroy its unique euphoric atmosphere, It was bad enough going all seater, I miss the 1970s Kop, that buzz isnt coming back. Being part of the crowd was much more tribal, it meant more. The only option for me would be to go steeper, but they all stand on the seats anyway so that would be more dangerous. Leave it alone.

I disagree, they can build outwards. Bullied over the road so a tunnel goes underneath . Look at Aston Villa and the old Athletico Madrid stadium for reference. Secondly, aside from the church the club own the derelict buildings opposite

While it would be nice to have a much bigger Kop, realistically, it's not likely to happen primarily because of the Walton Breck Road which will either have to be diverted or bridged. Diverting (or bridging) Walton Breck Road would be very difficult achieve, and very costly. Assuming the necessary local planning consents could be obtained (which would be far from a foregone conclusion), the application would be referred to the Secretary of State for Transport and, if approved, would almost certainly have to go to a full public enquiry. Should the public enquiry decide in favour of the club's application, there would be a six week period during which the decision could be challenged in the High Court. At any point in this process, which might take months if not years, the application could fail. The club would have to bear all legal costs irrespective of whether the application was successful or not. If the club overcame all these hurdles, and the notice announcing the Secretary of State had made an Order was been published, the club would have to purchase all the land and properties included in the consent area, as well as paying for the construction of the diverted Walton Breck Road. There might also be a requirement to pay for other improvements to the local infrastructure. Only after this could the demolition of the old Kop, and construction of the new Kop start.

Looks like a 60's semi with multiple extensions as it is

So what is going on with regards to finishing anfield road end

How big do people want the stadium to be? Liverpool City have told the club, if they want any higher capacity, they have to invest in infrastructure which will cost 10s of millions and the club would not own any of that asset. Residents already moan at the chaos it causes to their lives on match days, I'm sure they'll throw up objections to the stadium going to 70-80k capacity. The guys who cover the stadium expansion should interview the residents, and see how they feel with 61000 people coming upto twice a week, then ask them what they about it going to 70-80k.

Yes they can but it’s have to up as in building upwards

For all the fans around the world and specifically local fans , what option could be easier to expand anfiled: sir kenny stand or the kop?

Amazes me that people can bring up the cost of whatever needs doing ..when players are being bought for double the project cost of a stand ..sure putring the road underground isn't that difficult .or just creating the stand over the road..you'd only miss out on ground floor use ..which surely could be an option

Baffling why they didn't build the ARE extension in line with the Main Stand and even fill the corners in like many stadia worldwide. Very strange but knowing FSG it's all about penny pinching as much as possible

Too costly for FSG on such a small P&L

Not a chance. At most they'd only be able to add maybe a couple of thousand seats , it wouldn't be worth the cost. They wouldnt be able to move the road or buy out the buildings opposite. Also there is a restriction on anfields capacity because of lack of transport links. Finally unless we totally knock down the kop and make it bigger then a "two tier" stand wouldn't be a kop.

We all know it needs to happen and anything is possible with enough budget. However, public trandport infrastructure needs gigantic investment and that won't happen. 61000 is all we are getting, no more.

An explanation of the Kop is badly needed at Liverpool FC with the new Kop going over the current road there.

5:00 the Kop is newer than the KD Stand. Both are rubbish for a club of LFC's standing. Hopefully they are done asap... with some corners.

I stood in the Kop from 77 to 89 and we used to get 27 thousand PPL in it.

Liverpool made a mistake in not demolishing the entire stadium and building a new 70k seater.

The Anfield expansion kind of looks 50% done as really need to do other two stands to match and become beautiful and symmetrical as just looks lopsided with only main stand done and Anfield road done. If they copy and paste style to sir Kenny stand too that would take it another 11k seats and make it around 72k capacity main issue with that side is houses behind to buy out. But the hardest one and probably last stand to be done if further expansions would be allowed is the KOP and should be a extended single tear stand which is the idea behind the kop and reach the height of other stands around and maybe add an extra 7k capacity doing that to take it to 79k capacity which would be amazing but hardest thing is to reroute main road behind Kop and the buildings behind like pub and church etc.

If you added a tier to the Kop it would no longer be a Kop

yes we need bigger Kopstand for sure.

Can't even finish the new seats in the anny road end we promised all the wools and hospitality divvies mate hahaha let's not get ahead of ourselves.

What would they want to increase for? More corporate seating paying hospitality package prices.

A 20k Kop is doable. I love the deep steep stand at Spurs, something like that. However it’d cost big time. Road would need realignment, church demolished along with other buildings. Probably not a priority right now but finishing the Anfield Rd stand is the main priority.

Go higher along with skd stand it all needs to looks all even

Theoretically it’s possible, but I’ll tell you why it won’t happen. Because in order to expand the Kop you would need to rebuild it completely and FSG would never accept the loss of capacity for 12-24 months required for works to complete

do Liverpool have the money? isn't there also supposed to still be a problem with the size of the seats in the Kenny Dalgleish stand?