Do Psychedelics Unlock a Deeper Truth? With Rick Doblin & Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Do psychedelics reveal a different objective reality? Neil deGrasse Tyson and comedian Chuck Nice learn about psychedelic drugs, treating PTSD, and other mind-bending research with President of Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) Rick Doblin.
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How do psychedelics work? What makes a drug psychedelic? Learn about the history of psychedelics in the United States and the different hurdles to overcome when researching illicit substances. Was the government too quick to criminalize these drugs? We explore MDMA and its prosocial effects in octopuses and the effects of psychedelic use. What is the difference between recreational and therapeutic uses?
How have psychedelics been helpful in the therapeutic treatment of PTSD? We discuss how psychedelics could do to the field of psychology what the telescope did for astronomy. What does MDMA do to the brain in PTSD patients? Learn about the amygdala, prefrontal cortex, and why ecstasy might not be the best name for MDMA.
Learn how the “fallen Mormon” study helped uncover the effects of ecstasy. Is microdosing an effective use of these types of drugs? Discover an experiment where they gave psychedelic drugs to religious leaders. We discuss objective versus subject reality and why delusions associated with tripping feel so mystical. Do psychedelics unlock a deeper truth?
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00:00 - Introduction: Psychedelics
1:45 - Drug Laws: Studying Illegal Substances
8:50 - The Psychedelic Research Renaissance
9:59 - What is a Psychedelic?
14:48 - Neuroplasticity & Therapeutic Use
18:08 - What is MDMA?
20:10 - Using Psychedelics to Treat PTSD
30:26 - Psychedelics in Academia
33:33 - The Fallen Mormon Ecstasy Study
36:54 - Micro-dosing & Creativity
38:53 - Tripping, Delusions, & Mystical Experiences
42:50 - Illuminating Objective Reality

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@StarTalk 5 ай бұрын

Who else is stoked that we finally did this episode!? 🙌

@goten1113 5 ай бұрын

I'm psyched!😂

@timweber2434 5 ай бұрын

Definitely interesting. Go back and correct your aliens video though. The alien from the predator are supposed to have originated from earth. Predator Homeworld from 1999 addresses this. Which is why they look like humans.

@AC-vw8uh 5 ай бұрын

im am happy to feel connected with the community

@michaelccopelandsr7120 5 ай бұрын

Far out, Man!

@michaelccopelandsr7120 5 ай бұрын

You should have had "Timothy Leary" playing in the background. ;-P

@drdanimalsize 5 ай бұрын

Guest: let's talk about drugs Chuck: sit down Neil, I got this

@tania2897 4 ай бұрын

😂

@MyLoganTreks 15 күн бұрын

😂😅😢 Egos not Science is what stops progress sometimes. It will be interesting where this field of research leads. Chuck you got this!

@APOLLINAIREBARTHOLOMIEU 3 күн бұрын

Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.

@steceymorgan814 3 күн бұрын

Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!

@elizabethwilliams6651 3 күн бұрын

Yes, dr.sporessss I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.

@IkamiLog 3 күн бұрын

I wish they were readily available in my place. Microdosing was my next plan of care for my husband. He is 59 & has so many mental health issues plus probable CTE & a TBI that left him in a coma 8 days. It's too late now I had to get a TPO as he's 6'6 300+ pound homicidal maniac. He's constantly talking about killing someone. He's violent. Anyone reading this Familiar w/ BPD know if it is common for an obsession with violence.

@steceymorgan814 3 күн бұрын

Is he on instagram?

@elizabethwilliams6651 3 күн бұрын

Yes he is. dr.sporessss

@Greg.Olson2299 3 ай бұрын

Depression haunted my life from a very young age, and I was put on a bunch of SSRIs as a child in attempt to deal with it. None worked.Psychedelic mushrooms was brought to my attention. It was the first thing that actually had real effects. They should only be used with great care and respect.

@LouisPetek 3 ай бұрын

I hear this is supposed to be good for people who have mental health issues. I actually just started the research process of microdosing and all that. Im to the point where I want shock treatment.

@SusanHoskins-df9kk 3 ай бұрын

dr.perryshroom is your guy. Got all kinds of psychedelics stuff. Guided me through my first ever experience

@JamesHinkle-lu9yy 3 ай бұрын

Been through this conversation before. I can’t do anything without a proper medical professional following me.

@AndrewBausher7054 3 ай бұрын

Okay um, possible on Instgram?

@CastroTristen 3 ай бұрын

YES, he is dr.perryshroom. There's a lot of potential in psychedelics

@mariapanella8941 4 ай бұрын

I’m 72 years with a bipolar disorder,ADD and PTSD diagnosed at 61 years. I did psychedelics in the 70’s and liked some of them. I was afraid of what I’d see in my inner self so I stopped. I recently did EMDR therapy and it is amazing how well it has worked for me. Finally at 72 I have control of my illness 🎉

@dirtyweapons3459 4 ай бұрын

Happy to hear you’ve found peace & resolve

@josiahjones3705 3 ай бұрын

I did mushrooms at 19 and had an amazing experience where I relived several traumatizing moments of my life that I'd completely forgotten about and repressed for years. It was beautiful the way

@dandysnazzy-xx2xz 3 ай бұрын

you may be autistic then

@JamieLe-lq9dg 3 ай бұрын

That’s awesome, keep up the good work!

@Lynxspirit59 2 ай бұрын

How, where and from whom were you able to get this therapy? I have no doubt psychedelics could be beneficial. The organization MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) is dedicated to studying this. The problem is the legality. While they're close to having FDA approval on MDMA (hopefully sometime this year), it'll still take time for each individual substance. And longer to get therapists trained in psychedelic therapy, at least more than the handful at MAPS.

@AndreBarbosaPC 2 ай бұрын

47:00 Who wants to see Neil Degrasse Tyson taking the challenge of taking Psilocybin? I definitely would like to see an episode of his experience.

@King_Arthur97 5 ай бұрын

Chuck is thee BEST co-host. His input on this episode was so needed.

@teddeyishere 5 ай бұрын

Love hearing Chuck feel very comfortable and at home with a subject. Not that theres any issue with listening to the experts- just nice to see a different take

@CivilDefenseMinistry 5 ай бұрын

The moment Chuck came in as an expert, I knew it was gonna be a good episode

@thebrightest1230 5 ай бұрын

Chuck is incredibly inquisitive, wise, funny, and SO INTELLIGENT. You can literally see and hear the moment when Chucks understanding just EXPLODES when he’s learning something new. Love him

@ChrisMissal 5 ай бұрын

Chessboard analogy is perfect!

@justbeingadad2599 5 ай бұрын

Chuck is the man!

@scott4092 5 ай бұрын

His sense of humor always seems to have a kernel of deep thoughtfulness behind it. I hope he performs on the West Coast someday!

@smokenstein 5 ай бұрын

Neil may learn valuable lessons from psychedelics. I think he wouldn't understand without trying them.

@PrincipalSkinner3190 5 ай бұрын

His tune would change completely if he did, he's too afraid of shattering his bubble tho.

@ericthawin6900 5 ай бұрын

Where would he even get some 😂

@PrincipalSkinner3190 5 ай бұрын

@@ericthawin6900 they're incredibly easy to acquire. Joe Rogan even offered him some.

@Sir-Worthington 5 ай бұрын

He's a world-famous celebrity that lives in NYC @ericthawin6900

@gabec789 5 ай бұрын

@@ericthawin6900lol it’s so easy to get them

@Jack-or9xb 2 ай бұрын

! It's fascinating how everyone's psychedelic experiences can be so unique, even when taking the same amount at the same time.

@BobbyRussell-or3oh 2 ай бұрын

Any good dealer? I seriously want to try out.,

@DiagoFrankly 2 ай бұрын

I can say dr.melvinshrooms is the man for you.

@DiagoFrankly 2 ай бұрын

dr.melvinshrooms has pure psychedelics products-:

@OliviaCharlotte-ex8mr 2 ай бұрын

On instgram?

@DiagoFrankly 2 ай бұрын

Yeah. He is dr.melvinshrooms

@MichaelSink Ай бұрын

I would pay $100 to see an unedited video of Neil and Chuck on a psychedelic.

@aaronfields2603 5 ай бұрын

It is rare that I comment on things, but trying psychedelics are what spurred me out of pseudoscience and into the world of geology and to actually learn the fundamentals of what minerals actually do. Without LSD, id have never looked through a microscope and saw the crystal lattice structure of a quartz. I was lost in a sea of past lives and other horse apples. Turning the chess board is a fantastic way to put it.

@AuricUnity 4 ай бұрын

Same✌️ but in other scientific subjects.

@slow-mo_moonbuggy 4 ай бұрын

Do you still believe you are on a spinning water ball in an empty void? That's pseudoscience.

@clearlikeday 4 ай бұрын

@@slow-mo_moonbuggylol

@Dude8718 4 ай бұрын

@@slow-mo_moonbuggystraw man

@slow-mo_moonbuggy 4 ай бұрын

@@Dude8718 It's not but you can believe you are living on a sphere when there literally isn't any proof.

@DankoStojanovic 5 ай бұрын

Chuck has done an amazing amount of prep for this episode. Good on you, Chuck!

@InnerMindCommunication 3 ай бұрын

I think he is amazingly smart and clever and yet hides it at times, but ultimately he is brilliant, with or without extra study, and he can't hide that completely. Humor demands quite a creative bright mind and Chuck has that. He makes the video fun, and helps us feel like we might be able to understand these deep concepts. The two of them, together? Magic!

@InnerMindCommunication 3 ай бұрын

Note Chuck's turning the chessboard concept. Brilliant.

@CarletonTorpin 5 ай бұрын

Regarding Neil's self-downplayed claim of PTSD ( 28:00 ), I feel it's worth remembering the phrase "trauma is trauma", meaning that if someone claims they're traumatized, then that means they indeed are traumatized. No trauma is more "real" than other traumas. Thank you for sharing your experiences, regarding your personal 9/11 experience, Neil.

@chutcentral 5 ай бұрын

Nah. ❄️ ❄️ ❄️

@AkshayKumarX 5 ай бұрын

@@chutcentral What?

@danispaghetti 5 ай бұрын

I think the thing that makes something POST traumatic stress disorder is that it continues to affect the person loooong after the trauma took place. Neil mentioned he would tense up when hearing sirens for 8(?) months(?) after the initial incident took place. That’s a very normal reaction to have. Most people have the tools to deal with trauma so that their symptoms improve over time, the thing that makes it PTSD is when it worsens the longer that it goes unaddressed and completely takes over their life. It’s a stress disorder separate from normal trauma responses. I think Neil corrects himself afterwards in saying that he doesn’t think he actually had PTSD, because he was traumatized, but was still in control of his life. PTSD is when you’re out of control to the point that you’re hurting y0urs3lf and/or the people around you. Just to clear it up.

@stevenholderby6354 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, um, no. He claimed PTSD and then subsequently proved it wasn't PTSD. Having a traumatic event does not equal PTSD. PTSD comes after the event and typically lingers for a long time (sometimes indefinitely). For a lot of military folks, it may not even come to the surface until long after they leave the service.

@nstolwijk 4 ай бұрын

Rick said it better afterwards: Acute Stress Disorder instead of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

@stephenieannarumma9064 5 ай бұрын

I did not want this episode to end! We need more on this Neil, please. Rick is so great and Neil, I love your openness and willingness to always hear and learn. Chuck, funny and awesome as always! 💗

@a.j.infowars7582 5 ай бұрын

Dont do drugs!

@grenadine420 4 ай бұрын

This episode ended at 50:42 at the einstein quote about imagination being more important than knowledge. mr dGT had no words, because albert was/is right. gandhi was right, too :)

@hello_kitty_is_my_religion 4 ай бұрын

@@grenadine420 dunno about gandhi but yea that quote is really true. imagination opens up so many doors to knowledge, it's awesome

@dburris718 5 ай бұрын

The one topic Chuck is more informed than Neil on 😂 love you guys

@silentracer911 5 ай бұрын

Neil, you really should give it a shot some day because I think your experience and your way with words would demystify it for many people AND given the harm is a lot less than people originally thought, it would be amazing to see your response to the experience

@miselfis 4 ай бұрын

As a theoretical physicist, I've found big help in psychedelics. They make you see things from a different perspective, and it's easier to visualize things. It is also great for visualizing abstract math and getting a more intuitive understanding of it. I think that if you're a generally very objective person, you'll stay objective while under the influence of a psychedelic, even though you might adopt a more philosophical mindset for a while.

@awebuser5914 4 ай бұрын

This is nothing but irrelevant confirmation bias in an effort to justify your perceptions. Thousands of successful scientists before you, and thousands after you are gone, will be extremely effective in their researches without the use of psychedelics. Broad-brush stupidity about psychedelics making you somehow a "better" scientist is ignorant and pathetic.

@miselfis 4 ай бұрын

@@awebuser5914 I never said it will make you a better scientist, or that I’m a better physicist than others because I’ve used psychedelics, but I believe it made me a better physicist than I would’ve been otherwise. Sure, it might be confirmation bias in some cases, but even that still gives me more motivation to learn even more. And it also allows me to think about things differently and more creatively than when I’m sober, which sometimes is beneficial and sometimes not. New studies are also showing that psychedelics possibly open up critical periods of learning things and reworking how you think, and it’s showing positive clinical results from people who suffers from PTSD and depression or anxiety. It honestly doesn’t really matter if you find

@Ryan88881 3 ай бұрын

@@miselfis I mean psychedelics have and will obviously continue to make people better scientists, you don't need to sugarcoat it. This other commenter's "all or nothing" fallacy literally just dismantles itself anyways. It's one of the most classic and hard-to-hide fallacies of all time. But what I'm still trying to decipher is what they even meant here by "confirmation bias". Confirmation bias about what? If psychedelics are perceived to be helpful, they are perceived to be helpful. Simple as that. It doesn't make any sense why someone would boast or even have a bias about something that was a dud. If something perceivably sucks, a normal person is not going to culminate a "bias" favoring it since even they themselves don't believe in it or see its potential.

@bufo7120 3 ай бұрын

@@awebuser5914what a gross misunderstanding. Psychedelics literally force you to look at things from different perspectives, so it’s entirely possible that they have helped this person in this manner.

@awebuser5914 3 ай бұрын

@@bufo7120 It's called apologetics and Christians are also very practiced in it. IE: defend what is basically undefendable with pointless, impossible to prove, babbling.

@techn1kal1ty 5 ай бұрын

As a former Mormon who used to rave a LOT in Salt Lake City around 15 years ago, that study 100% sounds plausible😊

@kseke25 4 ай бұрын

So how many studies is this opinion based on? I’m saving this episode for later.

@Jim-he4km 5 ай бұрын

I choose Neil for the perfect candidate for an experience. Seriously.

@norbertszilagyi3330 5 ай бұрын

Me to.Maybe he can figure out some serious stuff on a 2.5 gr Golden Teacher trip..

@BookOnThrough 5 ай бұрын

What Dr. Doblin said in the beginning about what drug laws are for was spot on. And I'm happy to hear the truth of it platformed on one of the greatest pop-sci shows on KZfaq 💪🏻

@AlbertGuilmont 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, the hallucinogenic and perception altering substances are safe to use when you need to build a straight railway...

@drewharrison6433 5 ай бұрын

I saw Dr. Doblin speak in Telluride I think it was 2001.

@nathanaelplatier 4 ай бұрын

This was a wonderful episode and was very informative while keeping the subject light-hearted. I do wish that Rick wasn't interrupted as often as I feel he could have gone deeper into the subjects he was asked more if he was allowed to actually speak without the banter. I understand that Psychedelics and "drugs" as a whole tends to bring up lighthearted jokes and banter, but that also slightly feeds into the stigma and stereotype of it being a party drug. I feel that Neil's very obvious bias prevented the conversation from progressing fully to psychedelics' medical and therapeutic applications and instead focused on his very opinionated views of recreational use. That said, this was a wonderful video, and I would have loved an extended version of this! I appreciate the time, research, and love put into all of these videos to make these topics more easily accessible and put into a context that anyone can enjoy. StarTalk always manages to make learning, even subjects that may be intimidating or overwhelming, to be not only fun but easier to digest. Thank you for yet another delightful and informative video.

@sebastiancampos7289 4 ай бұрын

I experimented with mushrooms, and was a incredible experience. I have to say what i have a scientific point of view, and that change everything compared with use only for funny, but is absolutamente recomendable. The trip and sensations are insane, literaly you can see your thinks like if them been materializing. Is a unic experience

@nathanaelplatier 4 ай бұрын

That's very interesting,@@sebastiancampos7289 ! I come with the unique experience of having Aphantasia (A blind mind's eye) so was attempting different experiences from the perspective of having no visual imagination and seeing the effects of neuroplasticity on the brain while still having aphantasia. The brain and consciousness as a whole is a very interesting thing, and I hope we remain curious as a species. Perhaps psychedelics will be a compass into the innermost workings of the mind and how we map out and can heal it most effectively when applied with different sciences.

@heinousanus9352 4 ай бұрын

@@sebastiancampos7289 Thanks Ricky.

@user-tc1fw5ms5s 4 ай бұрын

I agree, I love Neil and think the world of him- but his obvious bias stopped this episode from being able to go deep into the subject. Thats the power of the stigma from the war on drugs. Propaganda works, and can stop even a great mind like Neil's from being open in a certain area. It really highlights that even the best of us have biases

@tevishodgejr2809 4 ай бұрын

Overall I agree that this topic needs a deeper, more serious, respectable dive. There could be many hour long videos on it... however, I'd like to point out that Neils bias, more or less, is reflection of societies bias at large towards psychedelics...and just as Neil has to trudge through his bias, fight it, and hopefully re-learn, so does society... ultimately my point is: the respect psychedelics deserve on a large scale needs to start somewhere, and just as Neil has to go through and rework his bias, so does a large portion of his audience. Therefore, his process through this on screen will ultimately help many people work through that same path. Does that make sense? By the way I love Neil, his a big hero of mine... but we all have inherent bias and I think on a large scale he's closer to freedom from bias on psychedelics than many of his generation.

@naguarachamo1 4 ай бұрын

Rick calls you out Neil!! As a scientist, you have a duty to see if this is helpful to you. Loved seeing you agree to that...and look forward hearing about your first experience.

@tristanhull9388 4 ай бұрын

Kills me when people that have 0 experience with psychedelics want to talk about them

@the.great.gig.in.the.sky4147 5 ай бұрын

Yes, I've always wanted to know Neil and Chucks opinions on psychedelics. Rick Doblin is awesome.

@nikslived-114 4 ай бұрын

Shine on you crazy diamond.🎵🎶🎼🪟 Not sure if you'll "get" the" window pane" emoji reference or not. Not to be mistaken for the prism, my Floyd fan.😄

@the.great.gig.in.the.sky4147 4 ай бұрын

@nikslived-114 ohh yes, I do. Indeed, I have plenty of "window panes" for whenever I need to shatter my ego

@the.great.gig.in.the.sky4147 4 ай бұрын

@nikslived-114 I'll see you at the great gig in the sky my brother 🙏

@maryannbrown5762 Ай бұрын

@@nikslived-114Wasn’t LSD put onto small, clear, chewable squares in the 1970s called “windowpane”??

@SparkyTheSKUM 5 ай бұрын

It's so great we can talk on this subject logically today. Still a LONG way to go, but this helps! Anyone interested in more on this subject should check out "How to Change Your Mind" by Michael Pollan!

@militantpacifist4087 5 ай бұрын

“One person’s craziness is another person’s reality.”- Tim Bunton

@peteringram7690 5 ай бұрын

I loved this episode. Everyone's intelligence was on display here. We are all looking for the same thing. Thank you!

@Transgenic86 5 ай бұрын

To respond to Mr. Tyson's question about claims that some of these substances can effect your objective perception of reality, I have experienced things under edibles (which are legal in Seattle, where I reside) that are part of objective reality I never noticed otherwise. A very simplistic example. A song I've heard hundreds, if not thousands of times, I realized while under the influence of the edible that the beginning of the song had a part that exists later in the song, but in reverse. Now, that's an objective thing which I verified later when I was no longer under the influence. I've had several experiences like this happen where I just realize something that I wouldn't have otherwise. A simplistic way of describing how I feel in that state of mind is that my perception of time has slowed down, almost like I'm more aware of the inputs that my senses detect at a conscious level. The statement Mr. Doblin said about it "removing filters" is almost exactly how I perceive those situations. It is like I have more awareness of the data of objective reality. It isn't like my senses are sensing more, but I'm more consciously aware of what I sense.

@katieheys3007 5 ай бұрын

Psychadelics definitely gave me a new perspective on life. I'm not saying they were the panacea of all my issues, but they helped me see things in a new way, which gave me the confidence to really go ahead and start to make positive changes.

@jennifers6560 5 ай бұрын

Everytime I do mushrooms, I end up completly breaking down and crying about the horrible childhood trauma I delt with and the fact that I missed out on spending time with my grandparents because of having to escape the wrath and ridiculousness of my parents. (I was adopted.) I feel so incredibly guilty, but I realize I shouldn't. I've carried it with me for years and years. (I'm almost 40.) Even though it's rough, every experience I have is one step closer to coming to terms that it was not all my fault and I had to do what I could to survive. As a surviver of narcissistic abuse, you MUST suffer before you can heal. Without psycodelics, I would still blame myself and still continue to have complex PTSD symptoms. I am so much better now. Not all the way better, but the daily breakdowns have stopped and I can move forward.

@malikbirgrewal9657 5 ай бұрын

Never clicked on a podcast this fast in my life!! Was waiting for this!

@shpongled587 Ай бұрын

How bad was it? Neil doesn't have any business making money from psychedelics (even by proxy) so he can stay relevant among actual humans.

@maryannbrown5762 Ай бұрын

@shpongled587 Neil is not “making money from psychedelics”. Psychedelic assisted psychotherapy is a very relevant subject to explore on StarTalk. It can be very helpful for many people with PTSD and It was a great episode. Dr. Rick Doblin is the consummate expert in the field and has done so much to help destigmatize the use of psychedelics in psychotherapy. He’s also worked with the FDA to help shepherd clinical trials through so that these therapies can be legal.

@johnyepthomi892 5 ай бұрын

Wow, packed a lot of info on this one too. Great episode as always. Dr. Doblin should be invited again whenever possible , want to hear more about his studies.

@maryannbrown5762 Ай бұрын

I agree,@johnyepthomi892. Dr Rick Doblin is so articulate and an expert about what psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy is and how it works. I’d love to hear more from him, in discussion with Dr Neil and Lord Nice.

@15xNightWalkeR 4 ай бұрын

This is such an eye opener for me, a lot of things make sense for me now and im disappointed that these kind of conversations have not made in the “main stream”. More people should be able to access to these types of conversations from well respected peers

@Vegibyte 5 ай бұрын

Nice to see Rick on Star Talk. Some of my friends have volunteered with MAPS here in Canada.

@brandonduncan2675 4 ай бұрын

Doing LSD & watching the cosmos with Neil is what made me fall in love with science & space. LSD is directly responsible for my interest & love of those topics. It changed my thinking & made me more empathetic. So, I have to thank psychedelics for my biggest two interests in life now - almost 6ish years after my first “journey”

@DavidCaveperson 4 ай бұрын

Much love, but have you made any accomplishments from your love of the final frontier?

@awebuser5914 4 ай бұрын

The vast majority of people can "fall in love with the cosmos" with resorting to mind-altering drugs. You're making a false equivalency here and trying to justify a behaviour that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at-hand. You take drugs, good for you, but don't rationalize it with idiotic confirmation bias that it's the drugs that "opened up" your mind to *reality* (assuming you actuality know what that is...)

@aizensouske6440 3 ай бұрын

@@awebuser5914bro I’m convinced there’s a new species of human that’s been born that literally just spends 90% of their energy debunking and being a smartass to everyone online

@aizensouske6440 3 ай бұрын

@@awebuser5914like bro really decided to take a wholesome comment even if disagreeing and started to try n bring the commenter down go touch grass maybe you need some LSD too

@awebuser5914 3 ай бұрын

@@aizensouske6440 "wholesome comment..." LOL! It's some idiot projecting the need to justify his drug use under the guise that it somehow makes him more receptive to knowledge. Pro tip, you don't need drugs to do that, only the weak-minded would suggest that...

@domehankoczki9372 5 ай бұрын

The parallelism between a telescope and substances gave me goosebumps 0:24:37

@bradheath4200 Ай бұрын

This was a very good discussion. I have Multiple Sclerosis and the early onset of Dimintia. I recently read an article about Dimintia treatment with MDMA. I'm 51 and have had a great life. The last five years has seen me needing to use a wheelchair for mobility and not being able to remember anyone's damn name. With that said, I'm not mad about it. It's simply my next chapter in life. I was very excited to read the articles I saw a few days ago, until I realized that we are a long ways away from anything like this being avaliable to a guy living on a disability check and Medicare. My hopes are that future generations can benefit from the gentleman's studies that you guys talked about. Thank you gentlemen for another great video.

@dlerious77 4 ай бұрын

I am truly glad there are real conversations and studies into these types of previously stigmatized topics.

@summerdiaz9427 5 ай бұрын

I had so many questions answered and so many questions formed simultaneously this episode, we need a part 2!!

@hayjust1 4 ай бұрын

Just do some mushrooms. :)

@tsekwi 5 ай бұрын

I'm too high to hear Neil talk about Psychedelics 😂

@edkabu80 5 ай бұрын

He is the best

@micah_noel 5 ай бұрын

I’m glad you mentioned the part about the MDMA experience being about the therapy and not the drug. I tried it once and it was not instant empathy or ecstasy. I was with people that I didn’t know or like and it ended up not being a good time at all. I always wondered if it was just my own strange brain chemistry that resulted in this.

@earlgrey2130 5 ай бұрын

Mdma is a serotonin releaser (and much more). If you are serotonin depleted, it wont do much for you. And it wont remove or inhibit other neurotransmitters. And every brain is different, so the same substance will have different effects in different people. Thats why drug users say "set and setting" is so important. Depending on the context a certain substance can enhance the experience or ruin it. And also cause varying risks and damages.

@Ryan88881 3 ай бұрын

That sounds like a dosage problem. I agree that MDMA isn't implicitly therapeutic or even empathetic and that in these contexts, it's more about the therapy than the drug itself. However... it most definitely should result in "ecstasy" or some very pleasurable and hedonic positive mood change, and in a pretty overt or dramatic way at that. Being around people 'you don't know' is definitely almost never perceived as a "barrier"when actually rolling on real MDMA. The whole thing about it is that you should be able to initiate and hold conversations with people you don't know at all and yet be able to talk to them like you've known them for years when on MD. It sounds like you only took 100mg or something. Need to take 200mg for a fully-fledged MDMA roll. All those online dosage calculators and whatnot are nonsense and people for at least 5 or 6 years now have been really leaning into this idea of only taking 100 or so milligrams of MDMA, but that's an extremely new attitude and strategy and is not efficacious.

@tatotato85 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for bringing us this, these topics deserve a lot more discussion and exposition

@a-rye 4 ай бұрын

We recently legalized shrooms and DMT in Colorado. Just the idea of not arresting and imprisoning people for these substances is huge, but there's evidence that shrooms can prevent hard drug, alcohol, and tobacco addiction. Add that to treating Depression and PTSD, we're actually removing the factors that could lead to homelessness and incarceration.

@kylebowles9820 5 ай бұрын

The first time i did a little bit of magic mushrooms i noticed that i obsessively counted everything and decided to stop. Im now more mindful of those obsessive processes in my mind. I also felt the profound possibility that i coild find a partner for the first time. No comparison to decades of empty words; seeing it and feeling it deeply is believing.

@IAM_MATOS 4 ай бұрын

Loved the informative provided in this video. Mixed with playfulness and laughter. This on a personal level helps me be more open minded to listen and enjoy learning so much more than my early years in school😂 I feel like if Neil and chuck where my educators I’m might have done much better and actually looked forward to going to school every single day! Thank you for all of your time and information provided in these videos 🙏🏾

@KH-nn4tr 20 күн бұрын

Yea we need more episodes with Rick Doblin!!!!❤❤❤

@j72ashley 5 ай бұрын

I suffer from serious mental health problems. It's manageable, and in my life I have learned to live with it and to find contentment and peace in small doses. I have often looked on with envy at those who have the ability to try these drugs. I don't think I will ever be in a position to try any of these, but I must say it will be something on my bucket list that I can't see how I can cross off. I can at least learn some, even if I won't ever be around this to experience it for myself. What are the issues? Extreme physical responses from benign stimulus (harmless verbal interractions) and my programming kicks in and my body just launches in to this animation which resembles that of someone who has been badly abused by whoever it is I am reacting to. Even my wife, who is a sweet saint of a human, can trigger this response. It is so frustrating in my daily life. I am making progress in therapy, but damnit I am so envious of those who have these options available to them. I'm glad people can benefit from this, I just wish I could be one of them. This is a brutal life...

@davidevans3227 5 ай бұрын

i've had some really bad experiences on so called acid.. and mushrooms.. one of the things that made me nervous about trying a tab is you don't know what's in it.. let's hope they don't start putting in fentanyl..

@AC-vw8uh 5 ай бұрын

legalize it

@cmdeezy1 5 ай бұрын

I would never watch a video on this but this was really informative. Great show!

@thomasbrown8468 4 ай бұрын

I had ptsd. Psilocybin helped me through it but it was something in my soul explaining these feelings. It’s very hard to describe. Helped me tremendously. ❤

@thecuriousquest 14 күн бұрын

Thanks for having Rick on your show!

@solidreactor 5 ай бұрын

This was one of the most enlightening episodes for me.

@LiminalMan777 5 ай бұрын

Looking forward to this trip

@user-ku2br6mg4v 3 ай бұрын

I have a family member who is severely schizophrenic. The description the doctor provides regarding MDMA at 38:45 with ‘semantic priming’ sounds like an on point description of him.

@adamwilt4585 4 ай бұрын

guys, I just began watching your content and this show is incredible. Neil and Chuck you two are very entertaining but even more so very informative and watching your addiction podcast and this one as well, especially for me as a23 year long addict of opiates has been very eye opening and I thought I knew it all. you guys rock for real thanks for your efforts truly!

@NAKEDwolff 5 ай бұрын

Psychedelic's definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression,I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source here

@wizardofthewest993 5 ай бұрын

Loved this.I battle from depression, anxiety &C-PTSD,I've heard shrooms cured depression. Wish doctors were more open to natural medicines over big pharma but we know why

@avajohnson2636 5 ай бұрын

trip_vardy Got psychedelics

@JanetMcKenzie2 5 ай бұрын

I had a moment on my first mushroom trip where I was lying in bed and lost total connection to my physical body.I felt as I was just a dot of energy on my pillow such a crazy feeling and made me smile, really realized that we are really nothing but energy and had an overwhelming feeling from that trip

@GabrielMaximus2 5 ай бұрын

One of my best experience in my life was doing LSD and writing a paper on my interpretation of God and how the universe works,it was amazing and I got an A in college class of comparative religion

@NAKEDwolff 5 ай бұрын

@@avajohnson2636 where to search? Is it IG

@Jas.2105 5 ай бұрын

I was very skeptical about how this will go, I’m surprise how informative this episode turned out

@JoeVanGogh 5 ай бұрын

Wow!! Bravo the etiquette in this episode is refreshing among the science of psychedelic. Its really nice to see serious questions being taken seriously and the joke taken with a gain a salt sorry love ya Chuck❤😂 great episode!! We need more! And Neillllll... you got a "scientific" study date you cant pass up!😂😂 a nice fun trip with some nice fun-ky music ( funkadelic's not just knee deep)😉 you're welcome😂❤

@richardpereira9840 15 күн бұрын

I was not expecting this from your forum. Great show enjoyed watching and learning from your guest. I have read and watched a lot of different things about this topic. You guys brought it to the forefront and understandable to the community. Thank you!

@rufiorufioo 5 ай бұрын

Oh already know this is going to be a incredible episode.

@MP-ij8wo 5 ай бұрын

Neil, you answered your own question in the asking. How do you know that the changes felt under these conditions are not more "tools to extend the reach or completely invent a new sense we didnt have senses to notice?" They didnt build telescopes after living their life in a 5'x5' room. They first needed to see far away things to know they needed farther sight to study and classify those far away things they saw. And I didnt know why I liked Sagan so much either!

@kathleenmorabito4477 5 ай бұрын

Being a lifelong CPTSD, anxiety and depression sufferer I have wanted to try psilocybin to see if it can snap me out of it. I am so angry that I can’t use my health insurance to try it. I can’t even get a prescription for THC as there are no doctors in my practice that allows the use of it. I have found a private practitioner but I’ve been saving for 4 months to come up with the fee. I’m really sick of the healthcare options in this country.

@Britt3334 5 ай бұрын

I’ve had lifelong cptsd and I tried micro dosing and full blown trips. They don’t “snap you out of it” but they are way better mood enhancers and in my personal experience they slow down your thinking so you can be more logical. You’ll feel better on the high but eventually the “demons” as I call them will cycle back and you’ll need other positive coping skills alongside the drugs. But I think psilocybin and THC are better than anything the doctor will give you. No side effects and the effect is immediate.

@kathleenmorabito4477 5 ай бұрын

I agree. I really didn’t expect an instant cure. I am frustrated by the lack of options to try. There is no difference in the chances, but the pharmaceutical and insurance companies are the only reason I don’t have choices. I’ve been on the same medication for 20+ years and every foray into something else have been hallucinagenic at best, and a trip to the suicide fast lane at worse. I have been in therapy for years. Even they know I can only get so far in coping skills and tools. The other options I’m looking for actually have a possibility of rebuilding neuropathways. That to me would make it worth trying.

@kylebowles9820 5 ай бұрын

Don't go to your mainstream doctor, they won't have these tools for another decade, and you're subjected to their personal, arbitrary, non-scientific biases. Developing medicine is science, practicing medicine is art. Over 10 years ago I went to a naturopath for the THC prescription, paid $200. Now it's recreational and accessible in my state. THC is not nearly as therapeutic as mushrooms. It just helps put an especially perceptive/introspective framing around the real therapy. With mushrooms, if you want to try therapy, it'll have to be a little more self guided for the next few years. I made sure to try a tiny bit with very good friends at my side, it went well. Then when I was alone, when I trusted it, when I felt good and ready, only then was it actually beneficial. The best thing about it is that it has very little potential for abuse, much less so than THC or alcohol. Increasing dose has no additional productive effects, in fact there is an optimal dose; for me it is 1 gram. There are no cravings. I try to get around to it about once a month, if I'm feeling it.

@yarik12341 4 ай бұрын

I've learned that going into a trip with intentions is most important. Going into your trips think of all the therapy skills you've learned.

@ThizzRyuko 5 ай бұрын

We need more of these type of episodes

@AlThurayya7 4 ай бұрын

Very grateful for this video and the amount of insight! Feel like it got wrapped just as we were getting into the point of objective reality tho (the question in the thumbnail is what brought me to watch), would absolutely love a part two (could listen to hoursss of these kinda of discussions tbh lol) if possible! Also wish the guest wasnt interrupted so much, and really wish there was less bias, still a great discussion and manyy important points brought up, too many to list! Thank you for sharing this with us ❤

@watchoutimbak24 5 ай бұрын

Neil you should take a Psychedelic and talk to us about your favorite subject

@Leme994 5 ай бұрын

Dr. Tyson, I really think that being under the influence of psychedelics can help with understanding objective reality. I know it won't make you try any substance but for me it was really helpful when trying to understand and "see in my mind's eye" concepts like spacetime curvature and waves in general. However, I do agree that most times people don't want to talk seriously about things and we get to things like "can beer laugh". So, maybe we should put all the people behind quantum physics in a lab for a day and give them some psychedelics and have them think about what the true nature of reality is.. 😂

@dominicgrone7257 3 ай бұрын

I completely agree , yea it’s me and maybe not everyone but when I watch videos I normally can’t comprehend on psychedelics I completely grasp it and can even explain it back to someone I’m my own words

@graphicdesigntutorialstips8043 3 ай бұрын

FRANCIS CRICK, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.

@user-qk4nv3zt7b 2 күн бұрын

"Dr. Tyson, bro, please, just take one hit of this..."

@damyr 5 ай бұрын

Great episode!!! I've learned a lot. Thanks to all of you.

@Tru-qz6nx 5 ай бұрын

Thank you! for startalk.

@AndrewUnruh 3 ай бұрын

To Neil’s point. Before taking Ayahuasca, I was granted a patent every few years. After, I was being granted about six a year. I speculate that there were two effects that were key. First, like most people, I seem to ‘scan’ my mind for ideas and the increased creativity brought on by my experience, widened the options from which I could scan. The second effect had to do with a reduced ego. This made me less sure of my initial ideas and made it easier to question myself so I went down fewer blind alleys.

@7-ten 5 ай бұрын

They definitely help with depression! 💙

@capybaraponque611 28 күн бұрын

except they don't, they just mask it and help you "escape" it, but you never overcome the problem, you become dependent

@7-ten 28 күн бұрын

@@capybaraponque611 do some research into how they work. That's not what happens. 💙

@capybaraponque611 28 күн бұрын

@@7-ten there's plenty of research, and I'm strong enough to not have to turn to those cowardly methods

@7-ten 28 күн бұрын

@@capybaraponque611 😂 😂 okay buddy.

@7-ten 28 күн бұрын

@@capybaraponque611 🤡

@reddevil211287 5 ай бұрын

Wow great guest. Love the way he explains. ❤

@detectivehowardb7 5 ай бұрын

thanks guys. Chucks reaction to Carl Sagan smoking doobies was wonderful.

@someshkumar2411 5 ай бұрын

I think that the understanding towards the objective reality mostly depends on the subjective knowledge of the person doing psychedelic. Like the molecules danced for Kary Mullis, Steve Jobs had innovative ideas, people with trauma have realizations and a religious person felt more connected to his roots ~ all these examples in some ways are like a mirror reflecting the inner subjective understanding of the individual consuming psychedelic and shining it out in the objective world, where that knowledge can manifest in various ways. Ranging from an invention (which helps the objective reality for it's function) to an innovative idea (which may help people work under an innovative idea i.e. provided jobs eventually helping objective reality) and even inner working (when performed therapeutically will help the surrounding people in some ways) though no one can deny adverse outcomes can also happen especially with false & deluded subjective understanding of the objective reality... And that's just how I feel and I could be wrong too...Probably And psychedelics which might make us feel connected to a larger reality might help few people to develop an accepting nature towards expansive objective realities more readily i.e. HUMBLED... I guess.

@noahman27 5 ай бұрын

Great episode. Thank you guys. I love how Chuck speaks as an expert on the panel here tonight as opposed to being Neil’s comedic foil. 😂

@markjohnson4388 5 ай бұрын

You are not giving Chuck enough credit. That guy is either very bright or does his research very well before every episode I’ve seen him in.

@noahman27 4 ай бұрын

I love Chuck. His role in Star Talk gnerally speaking is to play the "common man" who is tuning in to learn from Neil. However, in this episode, it's different in that they are more on par with each other as opposed to one being the teacher and the other being the student. That's all I was saying and I got a real kick out of it.@@markjohnson4388

@batgurrl 5 ай бұрын

Fascinating discussion. Thanks for the upload

@tbassbu2b 5 ай бұрын

Ketamine IV therapy has helped so many people who are resistant to traditional oral medications for depression, PTSD & anxiety. Way to go Neil!!

@soulscanner66 5 ай бұрын

The question is how many has it helped, how many has it harmed, and for how many has there been no effect. These are the questions everyone should ask before putting it in their bodies.

@rafox66 3 ай бұрын

@@soulscanner66Can confirm here, its not for me. I guess I took too many psilocybin truffles and had a horrible time, making my mental health a lot worse which lasted for a year or 2 before I finally got over that experience completely. My mind can't handle the experience of not being able to trust your own senses and feeling that I'm not in control. Definitely changed my outlook on life but not so much in a positive way, personally. I like being sober I guess, except for the occasional beer and maybe a joint.

@soulscanner66 3 ай бұрын

The microdoses they give for therapy are not the same as self medication, so it comes down to how much you trust the therapist. In anycase, research is good and I hope they find out more about when it helps and when it doesn't, like any other medication. @@rafox66

@charleediaven6278 5 ай бұрын

In 1964 my mother, who was the director of nursing at a large hospital Norristown PA, outside of Philly told me of LSD. Her friends, a couple of psychiatrists had an autistic son. They were taking pure LSD in sessions to communicate with the boy. Her description, and later when I spoke with them, made it seem nothing like my experiences 5 years later. I was given a tiny pill, LSD, bad trip but as far as visual hallucinations beyond reality. At the same time we had a group trip with mescaline in powder form. Almost lucid group dreaming was our goal, and it occurred. Later I participated in a peyote ceremony. Once you are done vomiting, it is a revelation. Legal drugs given to me by prescription have done me far more much harm. They also have been far more addicting.

@gthealingjourney2266 25 күн бұрын

Thank you SO much for this discussion!❤

@PlanetXMysteries-pj9nm 5 ай бұрын

To all involved with this video from the narrator and writers and the artists and videographer and all the scientist , fantastic job well done making a the subject matter easy to comprehend and enjoyable. The voice of the narrator keeping me interested. Surely this won awards and deservedly so.

@Sir-.- 5 ай бұрын

In my personal experience psychedelics have made a tremendously positive impact on my mental health and overall spiritual Outlook😊

@Artemis_F0wl 5 ай бұрын

It's a shame that you just can't really make someone understand the benefits of psychedelic experiences if they never experienced anything like it.

@pm12321 5 ай бұрын

Great conversation, very informative, and Rick does an eloquent job of explaining it well. Chuck is hilarious 😂. And he also makes great points. His name should be part of the title after Neil's name because he's a great part of the show.

@moonshoes11 5 ай бұрын

Great show today. Thank you!

@musselchee9560 5 ай бұрын

Surprisingly, through 34 years of restlessly (re)searching, without resorting to any mind altering substances I have managed to come to the same conclusion suggested here. Neuronal integration is key to recovery from PTSD. CHEERS and have a Merry Christmas one and all.

@TrixiePowder 3 ай бұрын

I think neil is close minded about this and its fine of course. But it will prevent him from learning more.

@IvoStunga 4 ай бұрын

I love watching the expressions Neil is giving - reminds me myself before I had an experience :)

@rezadaneshi 5 ай бұрын

psilocybin- Since I learned to fly, I no longer can find the box I was thinking out of.

@sh4d0wfl4re 5 ай бұрын

A thought experiment I thought up to explain reality to my partner: Imagine a park with a trail running through it. Now imagine you are walking through it, what do you see? Flowers, teenagers, birds, grass, trees, bees, a river, etc. it doesn’t really matter what you would fill it with, just that you fill it with a stuff you would associate with a park. Next either ask someone what they would expect in such a park or imagine what someone other than you would notice in that park. Some people might notice the sound of buzzing, but assume the source was a bee… and jump away from the perceived bee. While others might look for the source of the sound and find a couple of flies buzzing around the trash bin. These two people create different physical realities as they react to their own inner mental realities and expectations. Some people might notice the people walking about a park as people, others as vague presences. Some might only notice the flowers and others only the buzzing… and while they would share the physical reality, only one of them might have bees in their bubble of reality. One last question to consider about this hypothetical park: For whom does the squirrel exist?

@songOmatic 5 ай бұрын

Neil should TOTALLY do psilocybin. Don't claim to know without trying, Neil!

@Careless47 5 ай бұрын

seeing things from a different perspective can lead to new and normally never found answers or paths, if you're open to it.

@cletuspiper4999 5 ай бұрын

Really love StarTalk. This was fascinating. Dr. Tyson is brilliant, but at times seems to have an infinite brain, but a finite mind. If he can’t reduce something to A + B = C he seems to discredit it (not always and no criticism intended). My greatest fear is at some point we will get to the theory of everything and the first group to want to take advantage of this is the military industrial complex. Build us a Quantum Bomb that will reduce everything in a defined range to its quantum state.

@johnp1277 5 ай бұрын

The reality is that psychedelics don't actually unlock a deeper truth, but they certainly can make you feel as though they do.

@ConsciousnessAndScience 5 ай бұрын

Alright alright I can dig it. I love your wide variety of topics.

@dylandavila5125 3 ай бұрын

I would enjoy a special of just questions Chuck has. I think he would make comedic gold having his questions answered and his mind blown.

@hedone13x 5 ай бұрын

Wait Neil finally tried psychedelics???

@SerDunk 5 ай бұрын

Nah he'd be a much more open minded scientist if he would have

@saiyanc137 5 ай бұрын

⁠because you need drugs to be open minded😂

@AC-vw8uh 5 ай бұрын

neil should try it i did at like 15

@mw9297 5 ай бұрын

@@saiyanc137psychedelics literally open the mind.

@hedone13x 4 ай бұрын

@@saiyanc137 Need and “need”. Nah you don’t need anything. However psychedelics like old human civilizations have used for 1000s of years or more modern like LSD - have something to offer and something to teach us. Especially if you are a thinker, philosopher or someone like Neil. Do it once or why should we even listen to your opinion about it. Yes we could to an extent but yeah…

@a-rye 5 ай бұрын

It's worth noting that psychotropics can induce psychosis and antidepressants can cause suicidal thoughts. Medicines we've used for years to treat Depression, PTSD, and Substance Abuse issues (not to be confused with substance use, which our solutions often cause more mental issues than any helped).

@marcygriffin7822 5 ай бұрын

I learn so much from this channel Thank you…

@CaptainSword_Lady 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this piece.

@miguelsuarez-solis5027 4 ай бұрын

I wish Neil would just do mushrooms and not talk about them until then. He comes off way too judgemental for someone who doesn't know what they do

@lovelywaz 5 ай бұрын

Cigarettes and Alcohol can be mass produced much easier and at much grander scale than other "drugs". Naturally you would tax those heavily and make others illegal 😉😉

@reeyees50 5 ай бұрын

Not easier

@1ntwndrboy198 5 ай бұрын

The most abused drugs on the planet are prescription drugs 😮